[01:35] <maine> Guys have some questions about potentially using a non-systemd distro with xfce. have any of you guys ever used Devuan / antiX / MXLinux?
[01:35] <maine> Any suggestions if i've used xbuntu a decent amt.
[01:37] <Unit193> Not really, I guess have at it?
[01:38] <maine> heh well - i appreciate ppl still using irc
[01:38] <maine> i didn't even know there was so many cool people in IRC! :D
[01:39] <maine> i was thinking about trying gentoo but i heard that compiling stuff is like - make a coffee and come back 5 hours later on old hardware. sounds a meme.
[01:39] <maine> i guess from an xubuntu question. Parole Media player is infinitely better than the default GNOME experience with Totem.  significantly better.
[01:40] <maine> but i guess i've wondered why everyone seems to package Totem/VLC/Parole in xbuntu's case when mpv imho is the perfect player.
[01:42] <maine> One more thing: why are people such haters when it comes to some distros.  i was chatting in Discord w/ someone i respect. he's more knowledgable about coding than me but can be a bit of a snob
[01:42] <maine> he uses some kind of debian (idk if it's testing or stable or what), but when he found out i'm using some flavour of buntu he told me "Ubuntu is a cancer" or tumour or something on "Debian" and he was very rude about it.
[01:42] <maine> told me i'm not supposed to go near ubuntu and to stick to Debian
[01:42] <Unit193> mpv doesn't have a nice clikcy UI, you need smplayer or something for a nice frontend, and most of them are Qt whereas Xubuntu is GTK based.
[01:43] <Unit193> I use mpv though.
[01:43] <maine> i'm just like (shrug) my stuff works... it feels good. 
[01:43] <Unit193> FWIW, I'm actually a Debian devloper and Xubuntu dev, I say use what works best for you. :P
[01:43] <maine> Unit193 i will admit that mpv has this barebones UI that makes it super confusing for a new user to understand where all the stuffs are.
[01:44] <maine> i remember i was like... huh.. it says to just drag and drop into it and there's no sidebar or nothing like we are used to in VLC and others heh
[01:44] <maine> but the simplicity is actually super cute.
[01:44] <maine> especially if you want to launch some web mp4 from just terminal with a url or something
[01:44] <maine> or watch a stream barebones.
[01:44] <maine> you have to know hotkeys and stuff too. it definitely is a minimalists dream
[01:45] <maine> > FWIW, I'm actually a Debian devloper and Xubuntu dev, I say use what works best for you. :P 
[01:45] <maine> thanks for ur work!
[01:45] <maine> i cant' code- im just a dude who thinks free software is cool
[01:45] <Unit193> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ff2mpv see that too, or like I mentioned smplayer.
[01:46] <maine> Unit193 any ideas on what's more like pleasant and stuff when it comes to like a systemd free environment?
[01:46] <Unit193> Nope, not really looked into it.  I did it with Debian itself not long ago just to test, but I didn't try Devuan or whatnot.
[01:47] <Unit193> Xubuntu requires systemd, which is fine.
[01:47] <maine> okay i'll try to chad it out myself and be an alpha dog. i might give a few of these systemd one's a spin
[01:47] <maine> though i think i will try 24.04 xub in two days.
[01:47] <maine> T-Minus 25-30 hours until new stable distro drop.
[01:48] <maine> i guess probably more like 35-40 hours but you get my gist.
[01:49] <maine> one more question but idk if anyone can give me a great answer. Does compositor: xfwm v: 4.18.0 driver give any kind of smoothing when i'm web browsing or watching videos on mpv?
[01:49] <maine> i have a good monitor and high refresh rate and stuff. can't tell any difference really with compositor off when i'm gaming (less input lag but barely noticable).
[01:49] <maine> should i be using compositor when i ain't gaming for lower inputlag with web browsing and watching videos on MPV?
[01:50] <maine> does compositor xfwm make stuff smoother looking and less "tear" inducing?
[01:50] <maine> my PC loads are generally small. i don't run heavy processes.
[01:51] <Unit193> xfwm doesn't really get in the way, it's best just to leave the compositor on.
[01:51] <maine> like explain like i'm five what it does? is there some hardware acceleration it's doing too?
[01:52] <maine> it just makes monitor stuff look more smoother?
[01:53] <Unit193> https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/wmtweaks#compositor wow, that really doesn't have anything useful does it? >_<
[01:55] <maine> heh. one of the main reasons why i went for xubuntu was that GNOME has mutter and it's annoying (and kinda roundabout to disable it). and someone told me xubuntu you can set a shortcut and just click that checkbox to enable and disable.
[01:55] <maine> believe it or not some competitive shooters where frame-rates are 500 FPS plus, we can feel that compositor is a slight drag on our reaction time.
[01:55] <maine> that was the only reason i tried xubuntu :D
[01:55] <maine> but then i like the overall speediness of it and lightness.
[01:56] <maine> so it's nice that you can easily hotkey enable and disable xfwm.
[01:56] <maine> but i was told that it generally makes user experience "better" and to have it enabled when i ain't playing my twitch shooter games and stuff.
[01:56] <maine> so that's what i sorta do.
[01:57] <maine> i used to go into grub and do like "mitigations=off" before gaming and reboot PC, but i became too lazy to keep swapping btw the mitigations on and off for the 33% performance increase.
[01:57] <maine> i just assume if i get f'd by some spectre/meltdown shiz... it's on me.
[01:58] <maine> i never did find out what exactly makes compositors so desirable if you already have a high refresh rate and most stuff on the web is 1080p 60frames. but i assume it helps prevent screen tearing and screen artifacts and has some kinda triple buffering shiz.
[01:59] <maine> but i am totally ignorant. not sure at all what xfdm is making "more visually" appealin'
[07:50] <xu-help33w> hi. I autoinstall for Xubuntu from PXE server possible ?
[15:26] <PeGaSuS> even when we check the "Download updates while installing Xubuntu", we still need to install the updates ourselves. if the option doesn't work, why does it exist?
[15:27] <PeGaSuS> I had a USB stick with 22.04.2. I installed it, checked the option. then, on first boot, I typed `sudo apt update` and it said 333 packages to update 
[15:27] <PeGaSuS> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:03] <Exterminador> I'm facing 2 issues with a fresh Xubuntu install (dual boot with Windows): 1) VGA port only shows 640*480 resolution but display ports (I have an adapter DP->VGA) show 1024*768. 2) somehow, my wifi card seems to not be detected
[16:33] <Exterminador> okay. the WiFi card issue was caused by Windows. I had to deactivate the "Quick start" or whatever it is called on Windows 
[16:34] <Exterminador> the resolution issue still remains