[01:48] <JoeBk> has 24.04 been released?  https://releases.ubuntu.com/noble/
[01:52] <Bashing-om> JoeBk: Yup - out: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2024-April/000301.html .
[01:53] <Guest70> yes sir
[01:57] <JoeBk> 24.04 was not supposed to releases until april 28
[01:57] <JoeBk> 24.04 was not supposed to be released until april 28
[01:59] <arraybolt3> JoeBk: ...according to whome?
[01:59] <arraybolt3> *whom
[01:59] <arraybolt3> The official release schedule had it targetted for the 25th, which is exactly what the Ubuntu Release Team did. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649
[02:00] <Guest70> I read 25th also
[02:00] <JoeBk> arraybolt3: according to Google
[02:01] <Guest70> Chris is cool
[02:01] <Guest70> CoolChris has logged in
[02:01] <arraybolt3> JoeBk: mhh, weird. Maybe Google had it wrong then.
[02:02] <arraybolt3> The Discourse link I posted earlier should be authoritative, and it had better be since that's what both volunteer developers and Canonical employees went by :P
[02:02] <JoeBk> arraybolt3: could be
[02:12] <Guest70> How are the humans enjoying the new Ubuntu version:?
[02:13] <webchat14> Hi, recently did a fresh install of ubuntu 24.04 and since then Wake On Lan is not working. I am not able to start the server from remote using ethool.  I see that the output of sudo ethtool enp4s0 shows  Wake-on: d
[02:13] <webchat14> When I set it to g - it works but on the next reboot,  Wake-on:g reverts to Wake-on: d
[02:13] <webchat14> How to make this change persistent ?
[02:17] <Guest70> Is the 13th Gen Intel CPUs, not yet have good compatability with Linux drivers? I know this happens anytime new tech comes out, it takes a few months to add the drivers to the kernels etc
[02:19] <arraybolt3> Guest70: I would expect 13th and 14th gen Intel hardware to work OK at this point. Kubuntu Focus at least is shipping 14th gen Intel CPUs in some of their higher-end laptops that ship with Kubuntu LTS.
[02:19] <Guest70> nice
[02:19] <Guest70> 13th gen is the last 'i' gen right?
[02:19] <Guest70> i7 etc
[02:19] <arraybolt3> There are some 14th gen i9 CPUs and I think i7's too. Raptor Lake Refresh.
[02:20] <arraybolt3> (Meteor Lake probably still has shaky support - that's the Intel Core Ultra line)
[02:20] <arraybolt3> but the kernel in Ubuntu 24.04 may be able to work even with that.
[02:20] <Guest70> nice
[02:20] <leftyfb> model name	: 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1370P
[02:20] <leftyfb> Ubuntu 22.04 works fine for me
[02:20] <Guest70> When 12th gens just came out, I was getting lots of glitches with the LTS ubuntu
[02:20] <Guest70> So I tend to buy 1 generation old
[02:21] <Guest70> to ensure compatability
[02:30] <JanC> Intel/AMD usually add hardware support to the kernel before it's released nowadays
[02:35] <bebop> what is the latest ubuntu lts release?
[02:35] <webchat14> bebop: 24.04 LTS
[02:37] <bebop> webchat14: I run do-release-upgrade and I'm using LTS and it doesn't prompt me to upgrade
[02:38] <jadeia> If you're on LTS, you need to wait until the August release.
[02:38] <jadeia> :(
[02:38] <bebop> ugh
[02:38] <webchat14> or do do-release-upgrade -d but that would take you to the development branch
[02:38] <jadeia> Gives them time to iron out everthing and make it a true LTS
[02:38] <jadeia> Don't do the -d option. You'd be asking for issues if it even works.
[02:39] <bebop> why does it say 24 release in april? developmental?
[02:39] <jadeia> LTS means stability - if thats the most important, just wait till Aug
[02:39] <jadeia> I think its 24.01 released in April.
[02:39] <jadeia> 24.04 which is LTS is August.
[02:40] <bebop> Ubuntu 24.04 LTS Noble Numbat is now available for download!
[02:40] <bebop> says right on ubuntu site
[02:40] <jadeia> Kinda buried in this document: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2024-April/000301.html
[02:41] <jadeia> I'm not disagreeing with you there - but the devil is in the details as always with just about everything.
[02:41] <bebop> https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[02:42] <jadeia> LTS needs to wait for an extra .01 -- Users of 22.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 24.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for the 15th of August.
[02:42] <arraybolt3> bebop: The ISOs release a few months earlier than upgrades are enabled. This is intentional, so that we have time to iron out bugs that we couldn't fix before the release date.
[02:42] <JanC> or that only are found after release
[02:43] <jadeia> Yeh if stability counts for you, definately wait a few months.
[02:45] <Guest70> ok good
[02:47] <Ali_nz> I want multiple monitor support for Ubuntu when connecting from my Windows desktop - it looks like the build in RDP server doesnt do this and I should install remmina (which is different from the built rdp server?)
[03:09] <TuxHub> do the staff at canonical pray to bill gates three times a day?
[03:22] <luna_3> Software Updater: failed to download repository information. check your internet connection: - Could this be becuase I am using wifi instead of ethernet?
[03:25] <Bashing-om> luna_3: Ping a mirror and see - from terminal ' ping -c3 ca.archive.ubuntu.com '.
[04:01] <geeky> hello
[04:02] <geeky> is there some special incantion to get 24.04 server image working on a rpi, I wrote the image to the usb key and it wouldn't boot
[04:04] <notlocalhorst> I'm looking for disk encryption in 24.04, in manual partitioner mode. I can't find it, is it gone or am I overlooking it?
[04:05] <notlocalhorst> yes, i saw the TPM option in auto mode, but that is not what i want ...
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> notlocalhorst: check the release notes, it mentions TPM things there
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> !noble
[04:13] <notlocalhorst> lotuspsychje: thanks, but as I said I don't want TPM, just plain old luks. the release notes are saying "However, the traditional passphrase-backed FDE is still available for those who prefer it. ". But I can't find it in the new installer ...
[04:15] <notlocalhorst> no option to encrypt a partition as far as i can see ... really?
[04:16] <notlocalhorst> and the legacy installer image is not available for 24.04 as it seems
[04:41] <Sigcatcher> 24.04.. God that makes me feel old.
[04:42] <Guest9> I have installed Ubuntu on my lenovo thinkpad e16 gen 1. The issue is while the charger is plugged in, it remains the same and the charging status is not charging. After I remove the charger, the status shows for example 48 percent remaining and the battery begins to drain. I've tried this solution -
[04:42] <Guest9> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1051209/battery-not-charging-but-detected. But it is still not working
[04:52] <Guest9> Any help?
[05:03] <Guest9> I have installed Ubuntu on my lenovo thinkpad e16 gen 1. The issue is while the charger is plugged in, it remains the same and the charging status is not charging. After I remove the charger, the status shows for example 48 percent remaining and the battery begins to drain. I've tried this solution -
[05:03] <Guest9> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1051...g-but-detected. But it is still not working
[06:32] <NeilRG> test
[06:32] <NeilRG> How do I resize a window in the 24.04?
[06:32] <NeilRG> there are no corner widgets
[06:41] <do3meli> Hi everyone. I am using the api https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/series to get release information for various ubuntu versions. unfortunately the new noble release has a differente title attribute format than any other release: For example all titles except noble have something like "The Lunar Lobster" or "The Xenial Xerus". Noble currently
[06:41] <do3meli> has the title "Noble". I was wondering if and how we can get this changed for noble series?
[06:46] <NeilG> test
[06:47] <NeilG> I'm getting very weird focus stealing behaviour when I click on hexchat
[06:47] <NeilG> if there's any application behind HexChat at the point that I click, the app behind takes the focus
[06:55] <ccccccombobreake> NeilG: you are not serious right?
[06:56] <NeilG> ccccccombobreake, I am serious?
[06:56] <NeilG> am I doing something wrong?
[06:56] <NeilG> this worked fine on 22.04
[06:56] <NeilG> I'm looking into changing my IRC client for this
[06:57] <ccccccombobreake> NeilG: you can't resize a window?
[06:57] <NeilG> oh the resize I figured out
[06:57] <NeilG> alt-middle-button
[06:57] <ccccccombobreake> if it's gnome, then i 100% trust you
[06:57] <NeilG> it's gnome
[06:57] <NeilG> which I guess is default?
[06:57] <ccccccombobreake> because they have their own ideology what a gui is
[06:57] <ccccccombobreake> NeilG: well you didn't say you figured it out
[06:58] <NeilG> sorry, didn't think anyone was awake
[06:58] <NeilG> I'm still trying to configure the new ubuntu
[06:58] <NeilG> will have to figure out how to use mac os keyboard layout next
[07:12] <veegee> what the hell... do-release-upgrade returns "There is no development version of an LTS available."
[07:12] <veegee> I just did `sudo do-release-upgrade` from 22.04
[07:13] <veegee> Prompt=lts
[07:13] <veegee> isn't the latest LTS version out?
[07:15] <rfm> veegee, LTS upgrades aren't offered until the first dot release, so somewhere around August.
[07:29] <NeilRG> test
[07:29] <respawn> fail
[07:31] <DarkWitcher> Hello everyone!
[07:33] <DarkWitcher> Looking for some help with Ubuntu 24.04 and a sound issue - Dummy Output on Dell XPS 9560 - Intel i7-7700hq, nvidia GTX 1050, 16gb ram.
[07:34] <DarkWitcher> Tried the different fixes I found online for Pipewire, but no luck
[07:34] <DarkWitcher> lspci gave me the following audio device 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation CM238 HD Audio Controller (rev 31)
[07:40] <veegee> never mind, fixed it
[07:40] <veegee> shitty canonical software as usual
[07:40] <veegee> they can't do a damn thing right
[07:44] <ogra_> veegee, the LTS version comes out in august as usual with the .1 release ... until then only 23.10 users get upgrades ... as usual ...
[07:45] <veegee> ogra_ yeah I figured that out after too much searching
[07:45] <veegee> wouldn't it be nice if the shitbuntu updater just mentioned that?
[07:45] <ogra_> (and cursing)
[07:45] <ogra_> why are you using it if it is so awful
[07:45] <veegee> client wants it
[07:45] <ogra_> and the work i and others here do is so bad ?
[07:45] <veegee> not you specifically
[07:46] <ogra_> (it isnt really nice being insulted like that all the time)
[07:46] <veegee> but whoever came up with "snap" and the modified gnome
[07:46] <ogra_> well, theer is code of mine in the updater too
[07:46] <veegee> and whatever their competition to wayland was
[07:46] <ogra_> and i'm workign heavily on snaps
[07:46] <veegee> and bzr
[07:46] <veegee> snap is just shit..
[07:46] <veegee> why build a whole other standard instead of improving the better alternatives that exist
[07:46] <ogra_> well, most enterprise customers disagree ... as well as canonicals wallet
[07:47] <veegee> that's funny... I disable snaps on all enterprise clients
[07:47] <veegee> I have more than 2 large enterprises
[07:47] <veegee> (as clients)
[07:47] <ogra_> well, canonical has 100s
[07:47] <veegee> first thing I do is disable anything non-standard
[07:47] <veegee> stupid shit like snap
[07:47] <veegee> for desktops, get rid of their disaster of a UI and install KDE
[07:47] <ogra_> could you stop the insulöts please ? we have rules here
[07:48] <veegee> I'm not insulting
[07:48] <ogra_> you are
[07:48] <veegee> I'm criticizing software
[07:48] <veegee> if you can't take criticism, you shouldn't be a software developer
[07:48] <DarkWitcher> Yes, but you are being vulgar instead of providing constructive feedback
[07:48] <LuckyMan> veegee I find your words offensive.
[07:48] <ogra_> please read the code of conduct and stick to it ... it applies to all ubuntu communication
[07:49] <veegee> LuckyMan I find you offensive
[07:49] <ravage> Welcome on my ignore list
[07:49] <veegee> likewise
[07:49] <ogra_> criticism is totally fine ...
[07:49] <ogra_> ... just not *that* way ...
[07:49] <veegee> Why not just build on Nix?
[07:49] <DarkWitcher> I dislike Snaps as well, however, currently they work way better than what it used to be. And if you don't like using them, you can always go the Arch way and build the system your client wants. Or if they need deb support, build based on Debian.
[07:50] <veegee> Debian is what I use by default
[07:50] <ogra_> veegee, nix didnt exist 12y ago when we started to plan snaps
[07:50] <DarkWitcher> You want to use Ubuntu, you need to accept the packages they use.
[07:50] <veegee> but when it did, it beats snap in every way
[07:50] <LuckyMan> I just want to say I did a fresh install of 24.04 and everything is working and I'm very glad with this new version :-)
[07:50] <ogra_> nor did any other packaging format even remotely similar to what snaps became in 2014
[07:50] <veegee> LuckyMan every distribution ever works on install
[07:50] <LuckyMan> congratulations to the team
[07:50] <DarkWitcher> I did a fresh install on 24.04 and have Audio issues
[07:51] <DarkWitcher> And I am looking for help, since I am totally lost.
[07:51] <veegee> ogra_ yes but now that Nix is widely available and very very good, why not migrate to it?
[07:51] <veegee> You could support developing it instead of snap
[07:51] <LuckyMan> DarkWitcher: what are your troubles?
[07:52] <ogra_> veegee, lets take this to #ubuntu-discuss if you want ... we're massively getting offtopic for the support channel
[07:52] <ogra_> >(happy to answer you there)
[07:52] <DarkWitcher> Lucky - I am getting Dummy Output.
[07:52] <DarkWitcher> Can I DM you?
[07:52] <LuckyMan> DarkWitcher: what's dummy output?
[07:53] <ravage> Dummy output is the device you see if no real hardware is detected 
[07:55] <DarkWitcher> Yep, hardware isn't dettected, but according to they system drivers are installed and hardware is visible
[07:55] <LuckyMan> DarkWitcher: was the sound ok on previous Ubuntu versions?
[07:55] <DarkWitcher> Last I used it was with a 23.10 and yes, worked fine
[07:56] <LuckyMan> what's your soundboard?
[07:56] <DarkWitcher> Audio:
[07:56] <DarkWitcher>   Device-1: Intel CM238 HD Audio driver: snd_soc_avs
[07:56] <DarkWitcher>   API: ALSA v: k6.8.0-31-generic status: kernel-api
[07:56] <DarkWitcher>   Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: active
[07:57] <LuckyMan> did you tried installing drivers yourself?
[07:58] <LuckyMan> did you put a checkmark on third party software when installing ubuntu?
[07:58] <DarkWitcher> 1 - can't seem to find them. 2 - yes, always
[08:02] <NeilRG> My system forces me to logout the moment I log in, how can I debug this
[08:02] <NeilRG> ?
[08:22] <NeilRG> hm, I think it was a bad fstab line that killed my system
[08:23] <Nethan_at> Hi, trying to install 24.04 Server with software raid but the installer does not shows the aviable partitions in the raid create dialog - maybe text color same than background - i can jump between the partitions but without text - only can guess photo here: https://postimg.cc/PNF01C7P
[08:35] <veegee> LuckyMan NeilRG - reinstall
[08:46] <deadrom> Hi.
[08:51] <deadrom> So after xz-utils, what's the general take? Not all of the umpteenth-thousand packages are maintained by hordes of well known open src bigheads. There are probably dozens of little helper tool packages maintained by one overworked hobbyist, so how are distros kept clean?
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | deadrom
[08:52] <enyc> join #ubuntu-discuss
[09:25] <scoothger> Hello. Am i forced to install jammy and then dist upgrade if i want an encrypted 24.04 setup?
[09:47] <jcdutton> I have dependancy problems with 24.04
[09:47] <jcdutton>  libzmq5 : Depends: libpgm-5.3-0 (>= 5.1.116~dfsg)
[09:48] <jcdutton> but only libpgm-5.3-0t64 is available.   Note the t64 suffix
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> jcdutton: explain what you did exactly, so the volunteers can help you better; added ppa? installing wich main package?
[10:17] <jcdutton> lotuspsychje, its simple really, the libzmq5 dependancies are expecting libpgm-5.3-0  but it is not available in ubuntu Noble
[10:18] <ubuntu-cinnamon> Hello
[10:27] <ddkakjssjndndksk> hello
[11:13] <vimflair> hello
[11:17] <zetheroo1> Ubuntu 24.04 installer doesn't allow you to create a LUKS partition manually. Is that a bug or intended?
[11:24] <ogra_> did you check launchpad ? might eb a bug ...
[11:24] <ogra_> *be
[11:25] <MadLamb> I am struggling to figure out why my thunderbolt 4 dock does not connect. I run boltctl list and nothing comes up.
[11:27] <MadLamb> https://dpaste.com/6S62UP26L
[11:29] <zetheroo1> ogra_: seems the option has been missing from the installer since 23.04
[11:29] <zetheroo1> so it seems intentional 😲
[11:31] <ogra_> well, likely not intentional, but low prio to newly implement it (the installed is brand new written from scratch)
[11:32] <zetheroo1> brand new ... since 23.04 ;)
[11:32] <ogra_> well, yes
[11:33] <tomreyn> zetheroo1: i would expect it to work if you use the server installer
[11:33] <tykling> hello :) does the 24.04 server installer have zfs support?
[11:33] <ogra_> the thing is, the installer is now a snap so it is rolling and can be updated out of sync at any time (IIRC there is even an upgrade button to upgrade itself before installation)
[11:34] <ogra_> so features can roll in before 24.04 becomes the next LTS in august
[11:39] <abaitta> ola
[11:51] <GSMarquis> How often does Ubuntu update linux-firmware package?
[11:52] <mimicat> hi! I have a problem with my ubuntu 24.04 LTS installation. I would like to have a dualboot with windows 11 with encrypted ubuntu. So I always installed Windows 11 first and after that, I installed ubuntu 22.04 LTS with encryption! This worked always fine. But now with 24.04 LTS, there is no option to encrypt only my ubuntu partition. I have to
[11:52] <mimicat> erase the whole disk which would delete my windows installation. How to handle this?
[11:53] <tomreyn> mimicat: try the server installer, that might work.
[11:53] <tomreyn> GSMarquis: there are changelogs, they should tell
[11:53] <mimicat> tomreyn Thank you for the hint!
[11:54] <zetheroo1> mimicat: I have a solution for you, but first I need to make a couple screenshots. My colleague and I were just now dealing with the exact same issue, but we found a loophole/hack/bug in the installer that allows what worked previously in 22.04 by manually creating a LUKS partition.
[11:54] <mimicat> zetheroo1That sounds great!
[11:54] <tomreyn> mimicat + zetheroo1: could you also report a bug if it's a regression?
[11:55] <tomreyn> against ubuntu-desktop-provision
[11:55] <mimicat> tomreyn I don't know whether its a bug or a feature. Maybe canonical doesnt want us to encrypt only specific partitions.
[11:56] <tomreyn> mimicat: zetheroo1 just wrote that this "worked previously in 22.04".
[11:57] <zetheroo1> tomreyn: correct. But it's been removed from the installer since 23.04, which tells me that it's removal from the installer since a year was very likely intentional
[11:57] <tomreyn> (but sure, dropping previously supported functionality could still be on purpose)
[11:58] <mimicat> tomreyn Yes, indeed. I used to do this in 22.04 as well. But unfortunately, due to a mess of dependencies or so the upgrade from 22.04 lts to 24.04 lts killed my ubuntu installation. I tried the standard steps to fix it, but it didn't work and i had no time. Thus, I choose to reinstall ubuntu. The shock came up when I saw that there was no option
[11:58] <mimicat> for encryption in the manual partitioning step. Only the option to erase and encrypt the entire disk.
[11:58] <tomreyn> i'd rather say it could just as well be an oversight when the new installer was created
[11:59] <tomreyn> zetheroo1: ^
[12:02] <mimicat> zetheroo1Do you have any information whether the removal of this option to encrypt specific partitions (not the entire disk) was intended?
[12:03] <zetheroo1> mimicat: no I don't. I would also like to know. ;)
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:23] <mimicat> This made me really upset and I cried yesterday in the evening. I now spent so much time on setting up a fedora on my laptop. Fortunately, ubuntu didn't touch my windows partitions during the failed upgrade. But today i realized, that the Xorg Version of Gnome on Fedora doesn't support fractional scaling, which is pretty sad since my laptop has a
[12:23] <mimicat> 3k display. :(
[12:30] <juliank> neither installer supported encrypting individual partitions
[12:31] <juliank> the old installer supported installing to existing luks partitions so you could go to gparted or so and create them and unlock them and then select them
[12:31] <juliank> but the new one doesn't detect them as valid install targets so that workaround no longer works
[12:31] <juliank> mimicat: zetheroo1 ^
[12:32] <juliank> I think the very old installer supported manual luks creation itself but that hasn't been used in ages
[12:32] <juliank> it's a problem for me as I like to reinstall my system from scratch and then reprovision it
[12:34]  * ogra_ bets patches wouldnt be rejected 😉 
[12:36] <mimicat> juliank: hmm, I see. But somehow i managed to do it. And it wasn't creating encrypted partitions on my own. However, how would you solve this problem? (installing windows and ubuntu in dualboot with encryption for the ubuntu system)
[12:40] <Mimicat_phone> (if somebody wants to reply, I'm here on my phone now)
[12:41] <JanC> mimicat: if you are somewhat experienced, and the installer doesn't work (for your situation), you can always use debootstrap or a similar tool from the live CD...
[12:55] <Guest93> Hi..I installed Ubuntu Gnome 24.04 in Virtualbox.  Now I want to add LXDE to it just to try it out.  But getting the following error.  https://dpaste.com/539XE47B4  Please help.
[12:57] <CosmicDJ> Guest93: why dont you just install lubuntu?
[12:58] <ogra_> Guest93, i think lxde has long been discontinued and replaced by lxqt
[12:58] <Guest93> Don't want to do a full blown installation as I just want to try it out temporarily.  Don't think I have that much disk space either.  If I can just add lxde on top of Gnome, try it out and then remove once done..I am good.
[12:59] <Guest93> "ubuntu2404@ubuntu2404-virtualbox:~$ sudo apt-get install lxqt
[12:59] <Guest93> Reading package lists... Done
[12:59] <Guest93> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:59] <Guest93> Reading state information... Done
[12:59] <Guest93> E: Unable to locate package lxqt
[12:59] <Guest93> "
[13:01] <ogra_> Guest93, do you have universe enabled and is your package list up to date (apt update)
[13:01] <zetheroo1> mimicat: sorry for the delay - here you go --> https://techtalkblog.ch/ubuntu-24-04-lts-fde-alongside-windows-installation
[13:01] <Guest93> https://dpaste.com/5354MZH2F Same error...Something is wrong with my virtualbox connecting to Ubuntu sources??  apt-get update works just fine.
[13:03] <Guest93> ogra_ Yes and yes .  https://dpaste.com/5KYLBZL7V
[13:03] <zetheroo1> juliank: in the 22.04 installer you could make the LUKS partition directly in it. No need to do it in gparted outside of the installer.
[13:05] <Guest93> Can't even install conky.  Same error.
[13:06] <ogra_> well, you likely miss universe ... open "software and updates", check if universe is ticked there
[13:06] <zetheroo1>  tomreyn + ogra_ : maybe interesting to you as well --> https://techtalkblog.ch/ubuntu-24-04-lts-fde-alongside-windows-installation
[13:07] <Guest93> ogra_ https://dpaste.com/DMFVMX2T8
[13:07] <Guest93> Universe IS checked
[13:08] <ogra_> hmm, weird ... both packages are in universe and available ... perhapos the us mirror is not up to date ?
[13:09] <Guest93> Changing to "Main Server" from US.  Let's see.
[13:09] <Guest93> Jeez..that did it!  So it was the US mirror that wasn't working for me!  Weird.
[13:10] <JanC> the "US mirror" is just a subset of the "main servers"
[13:10] <Guest93> Thanks ogra_
[13:11] <Guest93> Should I leave it as Main or switch back to US mirror?
[13:11] <ogra_> mirrors a day after release ... 🙂
[13:12] <ogra_> (the main server is usually hammered heavily on release day and the days after, lines might be saturated for mirroring)
[13:12] <Guest93> I see.  Interesting.
[13:13] <ogra_> i'D switch back once the dust has settled ... just to save you from updating from london
[13:14] <JanC> ogra_: us.archive.ubuntu.com just resolves to 3 of the 5 IP addresses that archive.ubuntu.com resolves to
[13:14] <ogra_> hah
[13:14] <ogra_> so probably just the wrong one ...
[13:14] <JanC> usign a non-official mirror might help a bit
[13:14] <ogra_> or we have an archive.u.c instance in the US now
[13:15] <ravage> Never noticed those release day problems. Been using my own mirror since 2009 :) 
[13:16] <JanC> and you can also have multiple mirrors configured at the same time of course
[13:16] <ravage> Pro tip: if you control your DNS set archive.ubuntu.com to your favorite mirror 
[13:16] <JanC> that's not a pro tip
[13:16] <ravage> So you do not need any manual changes for your home setup 
[13:17] <ravage> It's a tip then. Geez
[13:18] <JanC> just configure both your favourite local mirror & the official ones
[13:19] <Guest80> JanC How to add multiple ones?
[13:19] <ravage> Usually you can just choose one of the country Subdomains 
[13:20] <ravage> That is more relevant to non us people though 
[13:22] <JanC> larger hosting companies usually have their own mirrors too
[13:24] <JanC> ravage: the CC subdomains often point to the main servers nowadays (local mirrors can't always handle the load from all users in that country)
[13:25] <JanC> especially in larger countries, I suppose
[13:39] <Guest80> JanC or someone : Can you show how sources.list looks like with multiple servers/mirrors please?
[13:39] <Guest80> I want to add Main server AND one/two US mirrors as backup.
[13:41] <leftyfb> Guest80: you don't add multiple entries for the same repository. Just use us.archive.ubuntu.com which is load balanced
[13:41] <leftyfb> or maybe it's jsut round robin, not sure
[13:42] <ogra_> amd outdated currently (see above)
[13:42] <ogra_> *and
[13:43] <leftyfb> oh, sorry. Just joined and missed that
[13:43] <JanC> it uses round robin AFAIK
[13:56] <JanC> Guest80: you just add them as you would otherwise add them, but remember for each repository you add it has to contact it & download data every time you run "apt update" or its GUI equivalent, so that will become slower then...
[14:15] <Guest89> hello I normally stick to Ubuntu lts, I recently upgraded to 24.04, I went to run an appimage, it asked for fuse, so I installed fuse and it removed the file manager and broke my install
[14:15] <Guest89> how do I fix this
[14:15] <Guest89> why did fuse break everything
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> Guest89: theres a bug ID for that
[14:15] <Guest89> cool this is unacceptable on LTS releases
[14:16] <Guest89> what the hell were you people thinking
[14:16] <Guest89> people rely on this
[14:16] <Guest89> this is unacceptable unexpected behavior
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> Guest89: bug #1717878
[14:17] <Guest89> how the hell do I fix this?
[14:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1717878 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "gdm3/gdm-session-worker crashed with SIGTRAP logging 'GdmSession: no session desktop files installed, aborting...' from get_fallback_session_name from get_default_session_name from get_session_name from get_session_filename from gdm_session_is_wayland_session" [Medium, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717878
[14:17] <Guest89> IF ITS A BUG DONT RELEASE IT AS A LTS
[14:17] <Guest89> UNTIL YOU FIX IT
[14:17] <Guest89> fucks sake
[14:17] <AFD> there's no way to catch every bug
[14:17] <Guest89> 97 installs this hosed
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> calm down please Guest89
[14:18] <AFD> LTS doesn't mean bug free
[14:18] <Guest89> you wouldnt be calm if it broke 97 PCs
[14:18] <AFD> it means that a fix will be worked on
[14:18] <ravage> you do not test a new OS on 97 PCs
[14:18] <Guest89> its not new its LTS
[14:18] <ravage> that makes no sense
[14:18] <Guest89> you had 2 years
[14:18] <AFD> its new to your environment is what ravage meant
[14:19] <leftyfb> 24.04 was released less than 24 hours ago. How long did you test the alpha and beta for in this exact configuration?
[14:19] <Guest89> 22.10, 23.04, 23.10
[14:19] <Guest89> you had time
[14:19] <leftyfb> so did you
[14:20] <Guest89> FIX THE GODDAMN LTS RELEASE PEOPLE RELY ON THIS SHIT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! MY ENTIRE DAY IS GONE THANKS TO YOUR LITTLE BUG
[14:20] <AFD> did you test the configuration on a standalone PC before pushing it to all of them?
[14:20] <ravage> of course he did not test anything
[14:20] <AFD> if not then that might be a good idea next time; testing on production is never a good idea
[14:20] <ravage> but he is gone. lets move on
[14:21] <AFD> fair enough
[14:22] <AFD> he didn't even click on the link did he
[14:22] <AFD> there's a single command listed in there to fix it
[14:32] <JanC> also, LTS upgrades don't happen until .1 so he did something unsupported I presume?
[14:32] <AFD> probably
[14:32] <JanC> and I recognise that fuse bug: he installed an old deprecated version of FUSE
[14:33] <AFD> keyword here being "deprecated" i'm guessing?
[14:33] <AFD> at least we have a fix for him if he returns
[14:34] <JanC> well, it's still available for compatibility with some stuff that wasn't ported yet, I think?
[14:34] <AFD> i meant that there's a command to run on that launchpad page
[14:34] <JanC> in any case, he should install 'fuse3', not 'fuse' (which is version 2)
[14:34] <AFD> yup
[14:35] <AFD> really though there's a bigger problem
[14:35] <AFD> he seemed to be testing on production
[14:35] <JanC> right
[14:35] <AFD> or rather not testing before pushing changes to production
[14:36] <AFD> there's gonna be bugs no matter what you do, you'll eventually come across one; that's why we have test machines
[14:36] <AFD> pushing directly to production doesn't eliminate the bugs, only your warning of them
[14:40] <BluesKaj> kde/plasma is still buggy. it works but some of the desktop settings don't hold
[14:40] <juliank> Speaking as the apt maintainer, the "fuse removes desktop" thing is apt's fault and I've designed a new solver that doesn't have the problem but I need to implement
[14:41] <AFD> oh neat
[14:41] <AFD> how difficult does the implementation seem? i haven't looked into how apt runs
[14:42] <AFD> just curious, no pressure meant
[14:45] <juliank> AFD: It seems easy but I'm sure I'm going to hit hard edge cases
[14:45] <juliank> :D
[14:45] <AFD> ah
[14:45] <juliank> APT's current code quite frankly is a bit of a nightmare, beign 26 years of ad-hoc "let me fix that"
[14:46] <juliank> The focus for my solver is to be predictable, less powerful
[14:46] <AFD> fair enough
[14:46] <AFD> i'm assuming there's enough of it that a refactor would be difficult right?
[14:47] <juliank> Right now you see installing stuff removes half your desktop and that's crap; or you remove foo:amd64 and it installs foo:i386 instead
[14:47] <juliank> AFD: The current solver is actually two solvers, the first tries to guess the best solution recursively for each dependency; and then a 2nd solver runs if any packages remains broken, whacking one or the other for a couple of times until it is fine or it gives up
[14:48] <juliank> The first solver is in a very essential class in the current design, refactoring it to get rid of the class takes ages
[14:48] <juliank> Sadly this is the class that takes the 1s or so during startup to build the "dependency cache"
[14:49] <juliank> i.e. it's the slowest part of apt
[14:49] <juliank> The new solver I'll plug in roughly using the extension points we have for external solvers, so no refactoring or speed ups at first
[14:49] <AFD> ah
[14:51] <juliank> I'm not sure how succesful it will be as it's a pretty conservative design, it is fairly reliant on you managing your state of which packages are automatically installed correctly for optimal results
[14:52] <JanC> juliank: I assume it's possible to put in better warnings/protections against mistakes, but the main problem here is packages names being somewhat confusing on their own, and people installing packages without checking it's actually the packages they want, just based on its name  :)
[14:52] <juliank> i.e. it allows you to switch between different providers/solutions for automatically installed packages, but if you manually installed a package it won't get removed ever (until it is obsolete, once it has obsolete tracking)
[14:52] <AFD> the problem with warnings is a lot of people go "yea yea, it says warning, ignore and move on"
[14:52] <juliank> JanC: yeah I mean not much one can do about that, sadly
[14:53] <JanC> they manually installed (the wrong) 'fuse'
[14:53] <juliank> Yes and with the new solver it would have failed and they would not have figured out how to install it
[14:53] <juliank> in all likelihood
[14:53] <juliank> which is kind of helpful
[14:53] <AFD> and then they would be here complaining "its in LTS so why is the solver not letting me install it"
[14:54] <JanC> because some upstream complained about a missing 'fuse' and they ran 'apt install fuse' without thinking
[14:54] <juliank> But at least their system works
[14:54] <paul424> where is the interface for bluetooth ?
[14:54] <AFD> anyway the new solver sounds like a good idea, i hope it goes well?
[14:55] <JanC> juliank: is it available as a plugin now?
[14:55] <juliank> The design is there, but I still need to sit down and implement it
[14:55] <JanC> ah
[14:55] <AFD> paul424 depends on which version of ubuntu you use but my end it's system settings > hardware > bluetooth
[14:56] <juliank> But also I suppose apt is not helpful here, it should have told you that fuse is already provided by fuse3 and skip installing it until you force it I suppose
[14:56] <juliank> because fuse3 does have a Provide: fuse
[14:56] <JanC> it does not install 'fuse' until you ask it to explicitly
[14:56] <paul424> AFD, uhh under the ubutnu 22 lts , xfce4
[14:57] <JanC> I suppose you could add some warning
[14:57] <juliank> apt install fuse could say "N: fuse is already provided by installed package fuse3"
[14:57] <juliank> but not sure it would have helped
[14:58] <juliank> this is like the "Yes, do as I say!" thing where LTT Linus removed his Pop OS desktop
[14:58] <AFD> yea in cases like this there isn't much to do
[14:58] <AFD> "would you like to do the thing that we didn't do because it breaks stuff" "yes" "why did it break stuff"
[14:58] <JanC> considering how he handles upgrades, he probably also has an alias for apt to have -y always  ;)
[14:58] <juliank> New solver would just give you annoying "Removing fuse3 but ... depends on it" messages until you add all the ... to your remove call manually
[14:59] <juliank> Which for careful, experienced users is annoying to do, but for new users it is annoying to do in a different way that makes them not do it
[14:59] <JanC> and if you add an extra level --yes-really some people will add that too
[15:00] <juliank> i.e. it's different if you need to run `apt remove foo` `apt remove foo bar` and so on 10 times until you finally collected all manually-installed reverse dependencies
[15:00] <juliank> vs "Here I am going to remove 10 packages, continue?"
[15:00] <JanC> I mean, lots of how-to blogs & upstream install manuals, etc. have -y on all apt commands too
[15:01] <juliank> yeah that is not a good idea with the current state of things I'm afraid
[15:01] <JanC> no matter how often you point out that's dangerous
[15:01] <juliank> At least use -y --no-remove
[15:02] <juliank> -y --no-remove is safe in that it fails if it would remove packages
[15:02] <AFD> at what point do you label it user error though?
[15:02] <AFD> because if a user is going to intentionally use a program in a way that is known to break things, despite warnings, then surely the developer of the program shouldn't be responsible or liable
[15:02] <juliank> which depending on what you want is the right property, others might want it to find a solution that does not involve removing packages
[15:02] <JanC> AFD: the problem is also other people telling them to do that
[15:03] <JanC> not a good idea to run commands you don't understand, but...
[15:03] <AFD> that means that whoever's telling them to do that is responsible
[15:06] <JanC> in case of this "fuse problem" I proposed a rename of the v2 'fuse' package to something else as a workaround against people being somewhat careless, but I guess that wasn't implemented (in time?) for 24.04...
[15:07] <paul424> What is the main program to deal with bluetooth under ubuntu ?
[15:08] <paul424> I need a gui application
[15:08] <JanC> most stuff is integrated in Gnome Shell & Gnome Settings, I think?
[15:09] <JanC> maybe better if you explain what the problem is?
[15:10] <paul424> I use the xfce4 :(
[15:11] <JanC> maybe ask in #xubuntu then
[15:11] <JanC> they will be more familiar with xfce GUIs
[15:11] <juliank> Do people need the fuse 2 program?
[15:11] <JanC> juliank: I'm not sure
[15:11] <juliank> Otherwise I suppose just making that a transitional package for fuse3 would be good enough
[15:11] <JanC> most people don't, for sure
[15:12] <JanC> maybe only libfuse2 is really needed?  I'm not sure
[15:12] <juliank> packages shouldn't because fuse3 Provides: fuse
[15:12] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fuse3
[15:17] <JanC> which makes me wonder, did our "Guest" really install 'fuse' on their 97 desktop machines without bothering to test if that actually works?
[15:17] <AFD> seems so
[15:17] <AFD> as i said, its a bad idea to not test before pushing to production
[15:19] <AFD> he doesn't seem to really know what he's doing since he didn't even seem to know what LTS means
[15:21] <AFD> he seemed to think that it meant everything was guaranteed to work, whereas it actually just means that the dev team will try and work on fixes
[15:29] <ubuntustudio> sdfsa
[15:29] <ubuntustudio> f
[15:29] <ubuntustudio> s
[15:29] <ubuntustudio> test
[15:29] <AFD> hello
[15:30] <ubuntustudio> hi
[15:31] <ubuntustudio> bye
[16:04] <richar> hola gente
[16:05] <tomreyn> richar: welcome to this english speaking ubuntu support channel!
[16:06] <tomreyn> !es | richar
[16:16] <TuxHub> all hail canonical
[16:19] <patrick__> How are you guys enjoying 24.04 so far?
[16:55] <mimicat> zetheroo1 Thank you for the link! I saw it in the logs!
[16:57] <mimicat> thats exactly my problem
[17:02] <xbox> hello
[17:14] <applepear> hello
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> welcome applepear
[17:15] <applepear> :)))
[17:46] <www2> hi all i have a problem with upgrading from ubuntu 22.04 to 24.04 the upgrade tool see not the new version
[17:47] <oerheks> that is correct, upgrade path is available with 24.04.1, somewhere in july
[17:47] <oerheks> as usual
[17:51] <www2> thanks oerheks is the a option to use 23.10 as a between step?
[17:51] <oerheks> a option? i know the -d option
[17:51] <oerheks> and no, we do not recommend to use the -d development option, but if you do, prepare an usb with a fresh 24.04 iso first
[17:55] <www2> oerheks i mean 22.04 -> 23.10 -> 24.04 as my upgrade route
[17:55] <oerheks> you'll be stuck on 23.10
[17:55] <JanC> also test that fresh 24.04 first, in case it doesn't work  :)
[17:57] <www2> that is not a big problem for me i have 3 ubuntu systems and the system that i wand to upgrade is use for gaming
[18:10] <luna_3> HI my problem was solved (could not dl repository. I need (really want) to understand a couple of things. 1. It was solved bypowering down a "closed liid" HP laptop. How was this closed-lid laptop keeping my computer from handling the repository information? (Both computers wee/are on wifi.
[18:11] <luna_3> My second question is about understanding haw to follow this answer EVEN IF I no longer "need" to do it. ;; <Bashing-om> luna_3: Ping a mirror and see - from terminal ' ping -c3 ca.archive.ubuntu.com '.
[18:13] <oerheks> "How was this closed-lid laptop keeping my computer from handling the repository information?"  why would one close lid during such task?
[18:14] <tsutsu> I think they mean some _other_ computer was sitting around on but with its lid closed (presumably asleep, though perhaps not); not that the computer that was trying to update was closed
[18:14] <oerheks> both should be able to update
[18:18] <tsutsu> I mean, I don't know what the original context was, but my guess is network configuration problems -- IP address collision, one computer relying on the other as its DNS resolver, etc
[18:19] <oerheks> not naming what repository ... go wild
[18:21] <tsutsu> anyway: I have a testing machine running ubuntu server 22.04.4, and I want to upgrade it to 24.04. but `sudo do-release-upgrade` (with Prompt=lts) says "there is no development version of an LTS available."
[18:21] <oerheks> that is correct, upgrade path is available with 24.04.1, somewhere in july
[18:21] <oerheks> as usual
[18:23] <tsutsu> ah, I did see this in the docs ("Users of 22.04 LTS however will be offered the automatic upgrade when 24.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for the 15th of August.") but I interpreted it as specifically referring to _automatic_ upgrade rather than the ability to manually upgrade
[18:23] <tsutsu> guess I'll install 24.04 from scratch
[18:23] <luna_3> The original problem is that Update in the GUI said repository failed to load. Chech your internet connection.  tsutsu  ::thecomputerswerenotconnectedthatIknowofthoughbothwereonthesamerouter.-thetex-on-the-phoneknewnotheing.AssoonasIwantedhimtotellmewhyhewantedtogo.NPIwashealedI justwonderwhathappened.--IftherewereanIPaddresscollisionthensho
[18:23] <luna_3> I was am having some problem sorry about that.
[18:24] <luna_3> I couldnt edit
[18:25] <luna_3> The 2 computers were only connect at the router. If there were an IP address collisiion than that would be at the router. (I wonder what the closed computer was doing. Fir the future it might be set to go hibernate when the lid is shut.)
[18:26] <oerheks> luna_3, not naming what repository ... how would we know?
[18:26] <oerheks> are you running ubuntu?
[18:27] <luna_3> The GUI did not tell me. It was for the last/most recent update to 23.10
[18:27] <luna_3> oerheks, yes sir. I am morgan-u but the irc client sometimes goes to the global nick.
[18:30] <luna_3> Next time I will see if there is a details button, oerheks Yesterday the tech flashed my rom. Today I was  interested in what he said was connected. I asked about it, then went to checl on the laptop. Then shutdown.
[18:31] <oerheks> pastebin the output of sudo apt update?
[18:31] <oerheks> !paste
[18:33] <luna_3> Well I am hook up now. I still am curious about what the laptop could have been doing with it's cover closed, that was enough to tank the download.  (I used to get 30 and now I get 50 Mbps so it's faster. Prev I used ethernet. NP.)
[18:34] <luna_3> oerheks, the problem is gone. I will look at that later on today. Thanks.  (IRL calling)
[18:35] <oerheks> have fun!
[18:37] <Bart__> Advise me please how to insert my set up service between cloud-init by the installer of 24.04 and GUI launch during first boot and all other boots.
[18:37] <Bart__> Here is my Systemd service - https://pastebin.com/vRpHsHLE - with dependency on `display-manager.service` and `cloud-init*`.
[18:37] <Bart__> Here is at what a jobs all stacked forewer until I do `sudo plymouth --quit` over SSH - https://pastebin.com/G8w4vvjK
[18:37] <Bart__> What is a mistake in dependencies or elsewhere?
[18:37] <Bart__> How do achive it properly?
[18:52] <ph88> when do packages from -proposed or -devel land in regular repo usually? https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rust-alacritty i'm waiting for 0.13.2 for ubuntu/noble
[19:10] <eagle> hello :3
[19:10] <eagle> anybowy here -_-
[19:10] <eagle> ;)
[19:13] <LuckyMan> hey this is a bit offtopic but does anyone knows how to "enable" dark mode on hexchat?
[19:15] <ph88> https://github.com/HexChat/hexchat o_O archived
[19:15] <oerheks> LuckyMan, find a dark theme? https://hexchat.github.io/themes.html
[19:19] <JanC> ph88: -proposed is for testing new packages before they are released
[19:19] <ph88> JanC, how long does it typically take for a package to move from -proposed to a release ?
[19:19] <JanC> usually there is also a bug report linked to it where they collect test experiences
[19:20] <JanC> it depends
[19:20] <JanC> e.g. on if people actually test it  :)
[19:21] <JanC> and on how urgent it is
[19:21] <oerheks> there is no rule-of-thumb/timeline for proposed
[19:21] <oerheks> indeed, is the package a fix to a CVE ..
[19:21] <JanC> is there a problem with the older rust-alacritty package?
[19:29] <LuckyMan> oerheks, I extracted the dark theme to config but it didn't change anything... :-(
[19:30] <LuckyMan> it created a directory with the theme name, should it be outside the directory?
[19:37] <ph88> JanC, yes it doesn't run anymore on 24.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rust-alacritty/+bug/2061269
[19:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2061269 in rust-alacritty (Ubuntu) "Alacritty panics on startup" [High, Fix Committed]
[19:38] <JanC> ph88: did you try the version in -proposed?
[19:45] <ph88> JanC, no
[19:46] <Square> There is no general update debacle atm for 22.04? I get the dreaded "Not all updates can be installed" running Software Updater
[19:47] <MAGIC> youp, wanted to resume to upgrade some vms today, but using do-release-upgrade -d wont work, yes everything is up2date and some vms upgraded fine yesterday so I am a bit confused now
[19:49] <JanC> MAGIC: there is no development release right now
[19:49] <leftyfb> MAGIC: The LTS upgrade path to 24.04 won't be available until 24.04.1 is released in August
[19:50] <tomreyn> also, do-release-upgrade -d generally means russian roulette, buti'm not sure Square was actually referring to a release upgrade
[19:50] <MAGIC> but -d should skip it no lef?
[19:50] <MAGIC> leftyfb*
[19:50] <JanC> -d means development release
[19:50] <leftyfb> MAGIC: what release of ubuntu are you running?
[19:50] <JanC> there is none right now
[19:50] <MAGIC> jammy
[19:50] <leftyfb> MAGIC: The LTS upgrade path to 24.04 won't be available until 24.04.1 is released in August
[19:51] <MAGIC> so why i could do it yesterday JanC?
[19:51] <oerheks>  "Not all updates can be installed" some can be held back, and an other cause could be snaps, snap refresh fixes things
[19:51] <JanC> yesterday before 24.04 was released, noble was the development release...
[19:51] <leftyfb> MAGIC: you didn't do an LTS upgrade to 24.04 from 22.04 yesterday using Ubuntu 22.04
[19:52] <oerheks> phased updates, it is called
[19:52] <leftyfb> if you did -d, then that was a development release and not really supported
[19:52] <MAGIC> hm ok
[19:52] <leftyfb> you upgraded to the latest release that was still under development
[19:53] <derek_gorczyn> I noticed that in Ubuntu 24.04 you can't change the default NetworkManager Ethernet connection named "netplan-...." to manual/static IP. It immediately switches back to "auto". I can set to "manual" by creating a new connection. Is there a known issue for this?
[19:57] <Square> tomreyn, just launching the "Software Updater" desktop app.
[19:59] <Square> This is the output i get from "sudo ap upgrade" https://dpaste.org/gqwJK
[20:00] <leftyfb> Square: what is the current issue you are trying to resolve?
[20:01] <Square> leftyfb, getting rid of this message https://imgur.com/a/yCVXCsu
[20:01] <jcdutton> Square, that output looks ok, why did you say "n" to carry it out?
[20:02] <leftyfb> install the updates
[20:02] <Square> I thought it might be a "partial upgrade"
[20:02] <oerheks> "The following packages have been kept back: "  probably after next boot
[20:02] <Square> (which people seem to discourage)
[20:03] <Square> ok, ill try a reboot then
[20:03] <sarnold> MAGIC: apparently do-release-upgrade -d is blocked from working due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/2054761
[20:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2054761 in mutter (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with signal 5:  Settings schema 'org.gnome.mutter.wayland' does not contain a key named 'xwayland-allow-byte-swapped-clients'" [Medium, Confirmed]
[20:03] <leftyfb> no, do the updates
[20:03] <oerheks> you can force them manually, sudo apt install linux-signatures-nvidia-6.5.0-26-generic python3-update-manager tracker-extract tracker-miner-fs
[20:03] <oerheks>   update-manager update-manager-core
[20:03] <jcdutton> Square, you can do a manual install of all the kept back packages if you wish. They are only kept back for some arbitrary reason. You can manually force them
[20:03] <ravage> Also the first sentence on that message box tells you to do the partial upgrade 
[20:03] <ravage> Would not call that did encouraging 
[20:03] <ravage> *dis
[20:04] <Square> well I'm referring to most guides I found on this matter
[20:04] <Square> (they discourage partial upgrade)
[20:04] <ravage> The people on the Internet 
[20:05] <jcdutton> Square, which ubuntu version?
[20:05] <ravage> Sure. That must be true
[20:05] <Square> 22.04
[20:05] <leftyfb> Square: do the updates
[20:05] <jcdutton> 22.04 should be fine.
[20:05] <Square> okok
[20:05] <leftyfb> Square: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:06] <jcdutton> I am on 24.04 on one of my laptops, and it is somewhat unstable, so don't go there.
[20:06] <ravage> I think the GUI will work too but just do leftys command's 
[20:06] <oerheks> i agree, google does not give the best info
[20:06] <Niklas_E_> is it possible to install php7.4-fpm? I only find 8.1
[20:06] <ravage> No the official source only offer one Versions 
[20:07] <ravage> You can find 3rd party ways to do that
[20:07] <ravage> They work for me but are not supported here
[20:07] <leftyfb> Niklas_E_: php7 is end of life. Don't use it
[20:08] <ravage> I am aware how that is against what I just said but the Google term is sury php 
[20:08] <ravage> But avoid if possible 
[20:08] <Niklas_E_> well dont think roundcube 1.5.0 can use 8.0 or above :(
[20:08] <ravage> Don't use it
[20:08] <ravage> At least try something like squirrel mail 
[20:09] <ravage> Almost sure that supports newer versions but did not check for a while 
[20:09] <jcdutton> Niklas_E_, there is a roundcube 1.6.6, maybe that is happy with 8.0
[20:10] <jcdutton> https://roundcube.net/news/2022/07/28/roundcube-1.6.0-released
[20:10] <jcdutton> supports php 8
[20:10] <Niklas_E_> Well I have to try
[20:10] <sarnold> Niklas_E_: php 7.4 is in focal, you could install focal in lxd or something?
[20:11] <Niklas_E_> well I will try 1.6.6
[20:11] <ravage> He will be fine with a newer roundcube I think 
[20:11] <sarnold> oh, nice, I thought it was just a case of ancient software requiring other ancient software
[20:12] <leftyfb> technically roundcube 1.5 is supported, but I think that should only be for existing installs on end of life php installs. Not new installs
[20:17] <Square> I went for this: `sudo apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade <list of packages kept back>`
[20:18] <Square> Seems to have fixed the problem
[20:18] <ravage> Sure why not try your own commands after asking for help :P
[20:18] <Square> sudo apt ... *
[20:18] <ravage> Glad it worked 
[20:18] <Square> I felt I had to understand what I was doing
[20:19] <Square> https://askubuntu.com/questions/601/the-following-packages-have-been-kept-back-why-and-how-do-i-solve-it
[20:19] <oerheks> !phased
[20:19] <ravage> The kept back packages are usually not a problem 
[20:19] <ravage> And they don't cause the message you posted 
[20:20] <oerheks> enable esm
[20:20] <Square> thank you all for help and guidance
[20:20] <ravage> That's a good plan anyway yes
[20:21] <ravage> No real reason not to do that
[20:24] <ravage> Well actually there is one. Bugs in those updates have no place to be reported really  
[20:24] <sarnold> ubuntu-bug
[20:24] <ravage> Does not work for pro package at all
[20:24] <sarnold> o_O
[20:24] <sarnold> well now this I gotta try
[20:25] <sarnold> *** Problem in lynx
[20:25] <sarnold> The problem cannot be reported:
[20:25] <sarnold> This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again.
[20:25] <sarnold> ravage: well dang, thanks. <3 :)
[20:25] <ravage> :) 
[20:26] <leftyfb> you can't report the bug on launchpad?
[20:26] <sarnold> lmao https://termbin.com/fbkv
[20:26] <ravage> Lol
[20:26] <oerheks> easter egg ?
[20:26] <jcdutton> leftyfb, it appear one cannot report bugs for any universe packages
[20:27] <leftyfb> no, the package name which provides ubuntu-bug is apport
[20:27] <ravage> I can report a problem with vlc
[20:27] <ravage> Just not the pro patched one
[20:28] <Square> Yay. I now have Ubuntu Pro.
[20:28] <ravage> And it did not start 
[20:28] <ravage> So I had a proble:) 
[20:28] <sarnold> jcdutton: https://termbin.com/rzqm
[20:28] <jcdutton> leftyfb, for example, I could not report a bug with "libzmq5"  that is in universe
[20:29] <sarnold> jcdutton: try dpkg -l libzmq5 --- that'll probably show an esm version string
[20:29] <ravage> ubuntu-bug works fine on libzmq5 here now
[20:30] <ravage> chooses zeromq3 which seems ok
[20:34] <sarnold> ravage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/2063884
[20:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2063884 in apport (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-bug can't report bugs in Ubuntu Pro packages" [Undecided, New]
[20:44] <ravage> marked as affected 🙂
[20:48] <oerheks> bug 1
[20:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[20:51] <Nourdy> The 24.04 installer can't detect logical volumes, and Canonical seems to have wiped the legacy installer off the face of the planet. I want to create my own partitions and logical volumes, encrypt as I see fit, and install. Do I have any options for getting this done?
[20:56] <luna_3> LuckyMan, btw there is a #hexchat and I have gotten actual help there.
[20:56] <ravage> Nourdy: not really ☹️ i setup my 24.04 with debootstrap
[20:59] <tomreyn> ravage: no luck with server installer either?
[20:59] <ravage> a little more
[21:00] <ravage> you get to the lvm part
[21:00] <ravage> but it refuses to import any custom created lvm
[21:00] <tomreyn> i see. bunt if you create everything in there and start with blank disks it could work, i assume
[21:00] <tomreyn> *but
[21:01] <ravage> blank disks was not an option
[21:01] <ravage> well actually it was. but i wanted another system on it too
[21:01] <ravage> not even that works
[21:02] <ravage> multi boot with encrypted lvm is a not go
[21:02] <ravage> *no go
[21:03] <Nourdy> Thanks. They really screwed the pooch on this one. I'm just going to go with another distro.
[21:03] <ravage> you are not the first one in the last 2 days
[21:03] <ravage> and i get it
[21:04] <Nourdy> Yeah, I've already seen people asking about this on StackOverflow and such. It's such a glaring flaw.
[21:06] <sarnold> I followed the "root on zfs" instructions five or six years ago, it is some nice handholding around the debootstrap method, even if you don't go with zfs
[21:06] <sarnold> https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Getting%20Started/Ubuntu/Ubuntu%2022.04%20Root%20on%20ZFS.html
[21:08] <ravage> will bookmark that. made my system boot on 2nd try. so i was kind of impressed with myself 😄
[21:08] <sarnold> nice!
[21:08] <sarnold> I spent twenty minutes tracking down a swapped , for . in my crypttab. or maybe it was the other way around.
[21:08] <sarnold> 4k 15" laptop display was *not* super friendly on my old eyes :)
[21:09] <sarnold> or maybe it's 14"? dunno. them pixels is tiny.
[21:09] <ravage> crypttab was my problem too
[21:09] <sarnold> the crowning achievement was that I made TWO mistakes in that file, so when I fixed the first and it still didn't work, it looked like it wasn't being used at all or something like that..
[21:10] <ravage> oh that will cost you a lot of time
[21:10] <ravage> you try 10 other things before you realize that
[21:16] <arraybolt3> 4k 14" with no display scaling? Paradise /s
[21:16] <arraybolt3> Tons of screen real estate with none of the size problems
[21:17] <Nourdy> I just finished an in-place upgrade of my 22 to 23, and now the settings app won't open. I think I'm done with Ubuntu, which is a shame, because I've been daily driving it for many years. I think 8 was my first Ubuntu desktop. I switched over from SuSE. Thanks for the help, all.
[21:19] <sarnold> arraybolt3: that's what I thought until I had to find a , vs . problem in my crypttab! :)
[21:54] <bray90820> S0 after a botched ubuntu upgrade I can't seem to get working internet access it connects to the Local network but can't access the internet
[21:55] <JanC> so you can access other computers on the local network but not computers on the internet?
[21:56] <bray90820> That is correct
[21:56] <bray90820> No websites load
[21:57] <sarnold> can you ping 8.8.8.8?
[22:00] <bray90820> Yes
[22:00] <bray90820> But when I ping facebook.com it says temporary falure in name resolution but I can ping Facebools IP address
[22:01] <JanC> sounds like a DNS problem then
[22:02] <bray90820> So where should I go from here?
[22:03] <JanC> network configuration
[22:04] <JanC> do you have everything set to automatic, or is all or some of it manual there?
[22:05] <bray90820> Usually it's all Manual but I have set it to automatic for testing
[22:06] <JanC> when you set it all manual, you also have to configure a working DNS server, of course
[22:07] <bray90820> Yes
[22:07] <oerheks> go into your router, and delete your lease
[22:07] <bray90820> I had that
[22:07] <oerheks> and explain  botched ubuntu upgrade?
[22:09] <oerheks> oh crossposting in #linux..
[22:16] <bunjee> tomreyn: newbie back again....just istalled a new graphics card and need to shrink the scree...way too big....
[22:17] <bunjee> tomreyn: screen
[22:17] <bunjee> anyone give me an idea or some help/
[22:19] <jcdutton> bunjee, do you mean the words and letters on the screen are too big?
[22:20] <bunjee> jcdutton: very....
[22:20] <jcdutton> bunjee, and it would look better if more words and letters could fit on the screen ?
[22:21] <jcdutton> Ok, it can two one of 2 things: 1) Try to adjust the display resolution.  2) A problem with the graphics driver.
[22:21] <jcdutton> bunjee, can you see the settings cog when you click in the top right ?
[22:22] <bunjee> jcdutton: yes...I can't get the display to revert to any type...x
[22:23] <bunjee> I'll look.
[22:23] <jcdutton> That should bring up the settings, then select "Screen Display" and see if you can change the "Resolution". You want a resolution with bigger numbers in it
[22:23] <jcdutton> If it does not give you a choice of bigger numbers, the problem is (2)
[22:24] <bunjee> jcdutton, no choices.
[22:24] <jcdutton> Ok, do you know what graphics card you have?
[22:25] <jcdutton> Also, is it a external display, or a laptop screen ?
[22:25] <bunjee> jcdutton, wait one....
[22:27] <bunjee> jcdutton, Zotac connected to HDMI.... that's all I have right now.
[22:27] <oerheks> lspci would show the list
[22:27] <bunjee> jcdutton, it's a 32" TV Vizio.
[22:28] <oerheks> not knowing what videocard you just installed, weird
[22:31] <bunjee> oerheks, it's a GeForce 8400
[22:32] <jcdutton> bunjee, when you looked at the screen resolution, what number did it display?
[22:33] <bunjee> jcdutton, 640x480 nothing else to select.
[22:33] <oerheks> then you are stuck to nouveau, that old card is no youtube racemonster
[22:34] <oerheks> the old 304 driver is EOL, afaik
[22:34] <jcdutton> oerheks, But nouveau driver will at least give bunjee a better resolution whon't it?
[22:37] <jcdutton> bunjee, Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[22:39] <jcdutton> bunjee, You might need to google a bit on how to install nouveau drivers.  I don't have knowledge of whether nouveau is compatible with the 8400 or not.
[22:39] <bunjee> jcdutton, Ubuntu 24.04 LTS
[22:39] <bunjee> Release: 24.04
[22:39] <bunjee> Codename:noble
[22:43] <oerheks> lspci -nnk | egrep -i --color 'vga|3d|2d' -A3 | grep 'in use'
[22:43] <jcdutton> bunjee, This is what I think the problem is: You might have "nvidia" drivers installed, and they probably don't support the 8400 because that is a 2007 era GPU. The "nouveau" drivers will problem work.
[22:43] <oerheks> it will drop to nouveau
[22:43] <jcdutton> s/problem/probably work
[22:44] <oerheks> still not a promising videocard
[22:45] <jcdutton> bunjee, are you ok to do that command that oerheks mentioned? You need to do it in a terminal at the command line
[22:45] <jcdutton> It is going to tell use whether it is currently already using nouveau or nvidia
[23:19] <bunjee> jcdutton,sorry, I had some stuff to do..I will try now, ok
[23:20] <bunjee> oerheks, Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
[23:24] <jcdutton> bunjee, try this command instead:  lspci -nnk | egrep -i --color 'vga' -A3 | grep 'in use'
[23:27] <jcdutton> bunjee, ehci-pci is a USB driver, so it found the wrong one.
[23:28] <bunjee> jcdutton, ok...I tried that and just returned to the root
[23:29] <jcdutton> bunjee, try "lspci" and post the output to pastebin
[23:30] <jcdutton> pastebin.com
[23:33] <jcdutton> I have to go now.
[23:43] <Guest395> hi