[00:48] <nshire> interesting that 24 is out
[00:48] <nshire> 14 was the first one I installed\
[00:53] <LuckyMan> nshire, :-)
[00:54] <rbox> nshire: it happens twice a year
[00:59] <nshire> I know you can extend the sudo password "expiration" where it doesn't ask you for password if you sudo a second time in a short timespan
[00:59] <nshire> but is it possible to have that take affect right after logging in too?
[01:00] <rbox> nshire: that makes no sense
[01:00] <LuckyMan> nshire, I know the raspberry pi doesn't ask you for a password, you just need to type sudo
[01:00] <nshire> so for a few minutes after logging in I don't need to reenter my password to use sudo.
[01:01] <rbox> you're not "reentering" anything
[01:01] <rbox> you haven't used sudo
[01:01] <LuckyMan> but this may be a security problem
[01:01] <nshire> rbox, I am using sudo
[01:01] <LuckyMan> if a someone gets into your computer, it can sudo with a normal user
[01:01] <nshire> why do you think I'm not using sudo.
[01:01] <rbox> yes, the first time you type 'sudo'
[01:02] <rbox> not before you use sudo
[01:02] <LuckyMan> without a password
[01:03] <oerheks> open your session with sudo -i , for the whole session
[01:03] <oerheks> as root
[01:04] <Bart__> Are you talking about '%sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL' ?
[01:05] <oerheks>  the raspberry pi does ask you for a password
[01:05] <Bart__> inside a file in /etc/sudoers.d/
[01:05] <oerheks> oh, such hacks are ugly
[01:06] <oerheks> Run: sudo visudo  Find the uncommented line: Defaults env_reset.  Under this line type: Defaults timestamp_timeout=<time-in-minutes>
[01:06] <Bart__> It's not a reverse engineering. It's access administartion. Exact what was asked about. AFAI understood.
[01:06] <nshire> is there any real difference between sudo su and sudo -i
[01:06] <oerheks> su times out?
[01:06] <Bart__> Yes, and it's a pain in rare cases.
[01:36] <itu> https://www.stromgedacht.de/api-docs
[01:38] <itu> here i go to the "Python Anwendungsbeispiel 4" , copy and run it , but got " unterminated string literal (detected at line 28)"
[01:39] <rbox> waht do you mean copy it, how did you run it
[01:39] <oerheks> is that python2 stuff?
[01:42] <itu> i copied with the uper right button and run with  python3  $kript
[01:43] <dlsnd> that's why puthon is not a serious language - one cannot work with code that cannot be copypasted
[01:44] <oerheks> dlsnd, that is not helpfull
[01:46] <itu> i just expande pyth on the prompt getting python3 , since its ubuntu 22.04
[01:46] <itu> *expanded
[01:47] <itu> i have zero knowledge of python
[02:03] <itu> got it https://www.decodingweb.dev/solved-syntaxerror-unterminated-string-literal-in-python#multi-line-quote
[02:04] <itu> learning python in the night
[02:05] <itu> *fixed*
[02:28] <utsweetyfish> do we have ubuntu core with 24.04?
[02:29] <utsweetyfish> i'd like to try ubuntu core in a chroot, is there any guide?
[02:29] <utsweetyfish> Or, if this is the wrong place, please redirect me thanks
[02:32] <Bashing-om> utsweetyfish: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/ubuntu-core-docs/47 ?
[02:35] <utsweetyfish> Thank you Bashing-om! I'll try that
[02:35] <dsc_> hi, is RDP even suppose to work in Ubuntu 22 or was it more like a practical joke
[02:36] <dsc_> `$ grdctl status`  says its enabled but nothing runs on port `3389`, and `systemctl --user status gnome-remote-desktop.service` doesnt show anything related to rdp
[02:37] <dsc_> as for VNC, I also enabled that, but that also does not work of course ;)
[02:38] <dsc_> that one *does* bind on :5900 but fails with "Refusing new VNC connection: already an active session"
[02:44] <dsc_> anything related to network file/screen sharing is bad on Ubuntu, or linux in general
[05:06] <roadkill> tomreyn: still unable to get my desktop to reboot into a black screen, hang on suspend, etc... Wish I had been able to collect logs on my previous attempts to get 24.04 to take. But it really does seem like a downgrade to 6.7.10 fixes everything.
[05:07] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: you can use journalctl to grab a previous boot logs
[05:09] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: journalctl --list-boots
[05:12] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: did you file a bug ID for your issue yet?
[05:27] <roadkill> lotuspsychj3: Just submitted the report.
[05:27] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: whats the ID please?
[05:28] <roadkill> lotuspsychj3: and unfortunately, no, I was doing full system wipes and reinstalls during all of this, so any logs I may have had would be long gone, sorry
[05:28] <roadkill> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/2063983
[05:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2063983 in Ubuntu "24.04 Upgrade/Fresh Install results in black screen on reboot on AMDGPU system" [Undecided, New]
[05:28] <roadkill> It would be extremely easy to duplicate, however.
[05:29] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: ok, tnx i changed the package to linux (kernel) for you
[05:29] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: can you get into your system via grub/recoverymode ?
[05:29] <roadkill> thanks, I didn't know what to touch so I just described what I could.
[05:30] <lotuspsychj3> we need to collect your logs via apport-collect, so you need to get into your system for that roadkill
[05:30] <roadkill> lotuspsychj3: when the black screen lockup was happening, yes, entering grub and booting into recovery mode was easy. It was the reboot -after- rebooting from safe mode that the issue reappeared. Which I always found curious.
[05:30] <roadkill> I'm on the system right now. It's been fully wiped since my last 24.04 reinstall.
[05:30] <roadkill> That said, I'll swap in a different nvme stick and duplicate
[05:31] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: ok, go back into recoverymode + networking and drop to a rootshell, then apport-collect 2063983
[05:31] <roadkill> Once my home folder finishes copying over from the raid. ;)
[05:32] <roadkill> I've never seen an issue where you have one successful reboot, but then subsequent reboots all fail.
[05:32] <roadkill> After install: One successful reboot to desktop, rebooting again fails. After safe mode: One successful reboot to desktop from safe mode, rebooting again fails.
[05:33] <lotuspsychj3> roadkill: once you apport collect on your bug, the devs will be able to debug your issue for sure
[05:34] <roadkill> Just need to pull the nvme drive off my old system so I have a boot drive to test with.
[05:39] <weekin2day> anyone familiar with using roku tv as wireless monitor?
[05:55] <int33h> Managed to solve my cephadm bug in temporary fashion from yesterday
[05:57] <int33h> cephadm in 24.04 and caracal cloud repo is build with ignore when copying cephadmlib so just rebuildning the source package and copying out the python libs solves it
[06:51] <d3k4t3ss3r4> Anyone familiar with screen rotations and how I can modify them PRE- user config?
[06:52] <d3k4t3ss3r4> Running some versions of ubuntu 64 on a cyberdeck using pimoronis hyperpixel4. A beautiful display but known to be borderline impossible to install in many distros.
[06:52] <d3k4t3ss3r4> We got it installed. And we can rotate the display in user configs.
[06:54] <d3k4t3ss3r4> But because this workaround relies on user configuration, the login screen  come up in portrait mode, for a display that's mounted in landscape.
[06:54] <d3k4t3ss3r4> Not the end of the world. But if any ubuntu big brains have any ideas I would love to hear them
[07:31] <Juso2703> Hello everyone! For some reasons on my workstation (22.04) I still haven't recieved an upgrade to 24.04. What might be the reason?
[07:34] <int33h> Juso2703: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-22-04-lts-to-ubuntu-24-04-lts/
[07:35] <int33h> Juso2703: inplace upgrade to 24.04 is not slated untill august 15:th
[07:38] <Juso2703> int33h: Thanks for the answer!
[07:39] <int33h> Juso2703: no problem, you can do a upgrade to 23.10 then to 24.04
[07:39] <int33h> I havnt tried that though i tend to stay away from the inbetween ones :)
[07:40] <Juso2703> int33h: Got it!
[08:45] <zy_> hello
[08:53] <ph88> how can i install the ubuntu boot manager that shows grub as default choice instead of going straight to the windows boot manager ?
[08:59] <Bashing-om> ph88: It is the tool efibootmgr to manage the boot.
[09:16] <ph88> efibootmgr thx
[09:17] <Bashing-om> ph88: Glad I could help :)
[09:18] <ph88> how can i make .exe automatically open with wine ?
[09:49] <aurolac> nasty kvm bug in gnome-boxes, snap version works fine but .dev is a mess
[09:50] <aurolac> bios has virtualization enabled etc..
[09:50] <aurolac> s/.de./.deb
[09:53] <ph88> how can i use efibootmgr to set ubuntu bootloader as the default ?
[09:54] <aurolac> list options and choose
[09:54] <aurolac> https://askubuntu.com/questions/485261/change-boot-order-using-efibootmgr
[09:54] <ph88> by the way i see ubuntu bootloader two times and window boot loader two times
[09:55] <aurolac> well hmm do you know which ones are the active ones?
[09:55] <ph88> the first one for sure i guess
[09:55] <ph88> it has a prefix "RC"
[09:56] <ph88> https://github.com/rhboot/efibootmgr/issues/34#issuecomment-122659778
[09:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 34 in rhboot/efibootmgr "efibootmgr does not show inactive bootnum" [Closed]
[10:00] <aurolac> well if you are sure you can delete the non-valid ones
[10:01] <ph88> they dont bother me as they dont show up in grub as extra entries .. i will just leave them be
[10:01] <aurolac> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-manage-efi-boot-manager-entries-on-linux
[10:01] <irgendwer4711> hi, how to disable rpc-statd.service for nfs4 on Ubuntu 22?
[10:04] <irgendwer4711> maybe I should masked it
[11:26] <PeGaSuS> irgendwer4711: the "systemctl disable rpc-statd.service" command should do the trick, afaik
[11:27] <PeGaSuS> if it's running you can append "--now" so it is stopped instantly
[11:43] <irgendwer4711> PeGaSuS: mask should to the job, because disable do not prevent later start
[11:44] <irgendwer4711> PeGaSuS: https://www.baeldung.com/linux/systemctl-mask-disable
[11:46] <PeGaSuS> right. if you want to prevent anything/anyone from starting it you need to mask it. I thought you only wanted to disable it on start but still be able to use it
[11:47] <irgendwer4711> no, nfs4 do not need statd
[11:49] <PeGaSuS> then masking it should solve all of those problems, indeed
[12:07] <smoltalk> Hi folks! I'm trying to install desktop 24.04 onto a new PC build, and I'm having trouble setting up full disk encryption on a manual install with manual partitioning. I am installing via a 32 GB USB drive I flashed via WoeUSB after verifying the ISO checksum. I am not dual booting with any other operating system on this machine.
[12:07] <smoltalk> Hardware/BIOS: I have an Intel 14th gen CPU. two of the same NVMe disk installed, and I've verified through the BIOS settings that fTPM 2.0 is enabled. I have also disabled non-UEFI boot from BIOS and confirmed from Ubuntu Wiki screenshots that I am booting in UEFI mode.
[12:07] <smoltalk> Current Approach: I selected the manual installation option because a google search on the default 24.04 swap partition size showed that 2 GB is used by default. I would instead prefer to use memsize + 2 GB. I also wanted to use the second drive entirely for /home. I opted not create an LVM partition for / across both disks because my
[12:07] <smoltalk> understanding is that a multi-disk LVM partition behaves similarly to RAID-0, which is non-desirable for my use case.
[12:07] <smoltalk> Observed Results: When I got to the manual partitioning stage, I selected the first listed NVMe drive for the boot partition and swap, assigned the remaining space on that disk for a / ext4 partition, and then created an ext4 /home partition using all of the second disk. I was not prompted for an option to encrypt the full disk or even the /home
[12:07] <smoltalk> partition. According to what I've read on articles from the Ubuntu Wiki and other search results regarding Ubuntu 24.04 and full disk encryption, this indicates that it will not behave as I intended.
[12:13] <smoltalk> Hi folks! I'm trying to install desktop 24.04 onto a new PC build, and I'm having trouble setting up full disk encryption on a manual install with manual partitioning. I am installing via a 32 GB USB drive I flashed via WoeUSB after verifying the ISO checksum. I am not dual booting with any other operating system on this machine. HW/BIOS setup,
[12:13] <smoltalk> repro steps, observations, and alternatives under consideration here: https://dpaste.com/HAG6278GL .
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:30] <enyc> smoltalk: I'd be (if possible) disconnecting all drives but test install drive, and just *try* a LVM+encryption auto-install; make observations of the partitions you end up with.
[12:31] <enyc> smoltalk: I immediately notice missing EFI sytem partition in your mention
[12:34] <smoltalk> enyc my mistake. A 1.13 GB FAT32 partition mounted to /boot/efi was created when I selected that drive from the "Device for boot loader installation" dropdown. That in addition to the swap and / partitions on the first drive and the /home partition on the second drive constitute the full list. I'll try going through the auto install and see if it
[12:34] <smoltalk> allows me to preview/modify the partition table before proceeding with the install.
[12:34] <smoltalk> Thank you!
[12:36] <enyc> smoltalk: I'd actually just ... do it first on defaults, then see what it has done,  then go for manual install to reconfigure it  based upon that;  you MIGHT have that intermediary you mention
[12:36] <enyc> ** I'm interested to know if default install methods on 24.04  install as  dual BIOS+UEFI bootable  (like 22.04 was) ??
[12:38] <smoltalk> enyc Makes sense. All of the time I've spent fiddling with this could have been used on trial and error. Probably would have been more productive. Regarding your question, the confirmation step at the end on devault settings shows a fat32 /boot/efi partition and an ext4 /boot partition, so that seems like a yes...?
[12:40] <enyc> smoltalk: no that doesn't tell me about my question  because  it depends on the botoaler instalaltion,  bios boot partition (on GPT) and so-on
[12:49] <smoltalk> enyc Apologies. I noted the extra /boot partition and the lack of a separate home partition as the only partition table differences between my manual install and the "Erase disk [...]" option, and assumed the /boot partition was for the BIOS bootloader. The "Disk encryption: none" setting on manual was the only other difference.
[12:49] <enyc> smoltalk: no, /boot is for GRUB and Kernel/initRD when you have encrypted install...
[12:50] <enyc> smoltalk: (or, for some other/unusual reason, you have separate / fs and want /boot differently)
[12:51] <smoltalk> Ah, thanks for that. I really need to take some time to drill down into some of Ubuntu/Linux's internals more. Kind of embarrassing that I've been using it as a daily driver for so long and haven't yet. Bills, though.
[13:02] <smoltalk> enyc your earlier question was great! I started digging into the subiquity source to figure out the answer and also learn more about what it would do with full disk encryption enabled, and I noted an error message about it not supporting full disk encryption with multiple drives. Search results for 'ubuntu "full disk encryption" with multiple
[13:02] <smoltalk> drives' confirmed. Makes sense. I'm thinking I should try to do the autoinstall config file and just do LVM+LUKS that way
[13:02] <smoltalk> for each partition*
[13:37] <smoltalk> enyc started falling down a rabbit hole, but it looks like Subiquity might be checking the BIOS settings to determine which bootloader(s) to install.
[13:37] <NeilRG> is there a way to do apt-get install a few times and then roll my system back if I don't like it?
[13:37] <NeilRG> ie. roll back everything that was installed
[13:37] <smoltalk> Re my original question, it looks like I should approach this using either an autoinstall config file or by using the default install options, then resize swap and add a new LUKS partition on the second disk
[13:41] <smoltalk> NeilRG /var/log/dpkg.log records package installations/changes. You could use this to detect and rollback changes. It appears that someone has written an apt-history script to parse this log. That script could then be incorporated into a rollback script.
[14:04] <smoltalk> By the way, I'm realizing now that it might have been better to just roll with the autoinstall.yaml for encrypted partitions and multiple disks. The process for decryption/mounting the drives is fairly involved. I'll submit a wiki article with my approach once I can validate it. I appreciate the advice and help, enyc! And much love to the community
[14:04] <smoltalk> for the existing documentation that helped me get to this point already!
[14:04] <Macer> hi. i installed ubuntu on a late 2013 mbp and i'm getting high wa
[14:04] <Macer> i used luks when i installed it. could it be that?
[14:05] <smoltalk> Macer additional information such as the partition table + filesystems involved would be helpful
[14:08] <Macer> https://pastebin.com/Cu6K7RKx
[14:08] <Macer> pretty much just a luks install of ubuntu to a nvme. but there is a pretty obvious problem with speed.
[14:08] <Macer> and top is showing high wa
[14:09] <smoltalk> I'd also recommend using a utility such as iotop to monitor which process(es) are performing the writes. The paste you showed doesn't show which filesystem you're using or the partitions involved
[14:11] <smoltalk> I had a similar problem with high writes to my NAS, which was set up with an IntelRST RAID-0 array partitioned as ext4. Consistent write activity even while the system was idling, which was probably due to the journaling. It ended up resolving itself before I could dig in further, which confirms that hypothesis.
[14:13] <Macer> it's using ext4 within luks
[14:15] <Macer>  /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv on / type ext4 (rw,relatime)
[14:16] <smoltalk> I'd check which processes are responsible for the write activity. If it's not a userspace process, I'd recommend researching how to investigate journal activity--the write activity could be due to journaling.
[14:40] <Macer> ah i'll try to see if i can sort it out
[14:40] <Macer> another question. i turned off active edges but when i drag windows near the sides they still want to resize
[14:42] <lotuspsychj3> Macer: maybe tiling active?
[14:42] <Macer> i i mean it seems like the function being performed here is the same as the active screen edges which i turned off. but dragging the windows towards to sides and the top (especially) wants to resize them and it's driving me batty
[14:44] <Macer> i disabled 'enhanced tiling' same issue
[14:44] <Macer> not too sure about ubuntu but usually this stops when you disable active edges in vanilla gnome
[14:45] <Macer> i just disabled tiling. let me logout and log back in maybe it will take a hold. i never quite understood how anybody though the dragging windows to the edge to resize was a good idea.
[14:45] <Macer> at least a good idea to be enabled by default
[14:46] <smoltalk> NeilRG you still here? I dug into the journal logs on my own system to verify my hypothesis. It was incorrect, but journalctl will likely be helpful to you if you haven't checked it already. Looks like my issue was caused by either a misconfiguration of my system's netplan config, or my misconfigured firewall rules on my gateway. The combination
[14:46] <smoltalk> was causing dhclient to spam DHCPDISCOVER, which was causing the write activity
[14:48] <smoltalk> odd since I was pretty sure I had dhcp4 and dhcp6 disabled on all my network interfaces, but I fixed the firewall rules while I was flashing a drive diagnostic tool
[14:50] <smoltalk> Macer, missed out on what you're chewing on. Do you have a paste of your version and GPU?
[14:52] <smoltalk> If you're experiencing those issues on 24.04, the tiling assistant might be involved? I know the version of GNOME included in the new release has it enabled by default now, and it added support for corner tiling.
[15:00] <Macer> gsettings set org.gnome.mutter edge-tiling false
[15:00] <Macer> that seems to have done it but you'd think that would be part of disabling both active edges and tiling
[15:01] <smoltalk> *shrug*
[15:02] <Macer> ah well.. now let me see if i can sort out this high io wait issue
[15:02] <Macer> otherwise.. it runs
[15:11] <smoltalk> enyc one last ping to answer your question: I checked gpart -l after installing with default partitioning and LVM+LUKS (and with legacy boot disabled in my BIOS) and it returned "Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT". My understanding is that it would have mentioned a hybrid MBR if it included the legacy bootloader.
[15:14] <smoltalk> Macer are you trying 24.04 from a fresh install? Which storage devices are you using and how did you partition it, assuming you're still working on your iowait problem?
[15:16] <Macer> Yes. It’s a MacBook Pro so whatever Apple uses. Right now I’m working on walking to grab some coffee. :)
[15:16] <Macer> I’ll take a look when I get back home. I did auto partitioning from the installer using lvm/luks
[15:24] <smoltalk> Macer a single SSD then with ext4 on default settings. Not sure what you've installed and are running on it post install, but check memory usage? Might be thrashing?
[15:30] <enyc> smoltalk: actually no, you don't need a hybrid-MBR to legacy-boot; that (as i understand it ) is where the MBR actually has extra partition-entries in it
[15:31] <enyc> smoltalk: legacy-boot on GPT can some some boot code in tat wrapper MBR that goes and finds the bios-boot-partition and loads more code from there ...
[15:31] <enyc> smoltalk: what it can't do (as I understand it) is use additional 'embedding' sectors immediately following the mbr
[15:31] <Macer> Nothing special for sure. But I’ll take a look. I was wondering if it was some sort of journaling or indexing but I’ll have to work on it more. I mean it’s a MacBook Pro from 2013. Maybe it’s just fundamentally slow.
[15:34] <smoltalk> enyc I see. Sounds like the most straightforward way to test would be to modify BIOS settings to allow non-UEFI boot, then check for the legacy option in the boot device list?
[15:35] <smoltalk> Macer you could also check journalctl re: journaling and see if anything is spamming that. For me, dhclient was causing issues because of some problems with my firewall rules
[15:39] <enyc> smoltalk: probably yes; I appreciate your trying for me;
[15:40] <enyc> smoltalk: also you could check  dpkg -l grub\*
[15:40] <enyc> smoltalk: see if you have the grub-legacy-bin  even  installed; I suspcet the "device for bootolader installation"  is where the grub-legacy gets put in ...
[15:46]  * enyc pounces Kangarooo 
[15:46] <smoltalk> enyc least I could do; your question and advice was extremely helpful. `grep --list | grep grub` returned grub-common, a few grub-amd64 packages, and grub2-common
[15:46] <smoltalk> err grub-efi-amd64(-bin|-signed)?
[15:47] <smoltalk> so that looks like a no
[15:47] <enyc> grub-pc-bin I'm thinking of
[15:47] <smoltalk> nope, only those 5 that I mentioned. No grub-legacy-bin or grub-pc-bin
[15:48] <enyc> grub-legacy is wrong, much much older
[15:48] <enyc> smoltalk: if you wanted to **play-about** you could install grub-pc-bin package
[15:49] <smoltalk> enyc nah I'm good. Not much point since I don't plan on using non-UEFI. My understanding before I checked was that Subiquity can determine which bootloader(s) to install based on BIOS settings
[15:50] <enyc> smoltalk: well rather, the mode of which the machine was booted
[15:50] <enyc> smoltalk: when booting the installer
[15:50] <enyc> smoltalk: it gets more complex if you have installed OSes; generally you need them to be all uefi-booted or all bios booted
[15:51] <smoltalk> Oh, the installer was definitely booted using EFI for the same reason. WoeUSB did install a legacy boot loader, which is why I disabled non-UEFI boot in BIOS to avoid potential confusion. I'm not planning on dual booting on the machine in question
[15:51] <enyc> smoltalk: hrrm normally linux images should be written with  win32diskimager,  they are already hybrid multi-bootable images
[15:51] <enyc> smoltalk: i.e. not using USB writer to ''put bootloader'' on stick etc
[15:52] <SuperLag> Is it expected behavior in Noble that affected systemd services will just automatically restart, rather than giving you the ncurses-based screen where you're presented with the *option* as to whether you want that service restarted or not?
[15:52] <enyc> smoltalk: woeusb or similary *is* needed to deal with silly windows images that aren't already hybrid bootbale
[15:52] <SuperLag> (during an update)
[15:53] <enyc> smoltalk: fwiw; I get along well with  Ventoy  multi bootable sticks :O
[15:53] <smoltalk> enyc yeah oddly enough, even though WoeUSB's CLI documentation mentions that it does bootable Windows USB installers, it doesn't work on Win11, but it works fine for Linux ISOs. I had to find a separate program for that to set up on my old hardware. Can't recall the name of the program.
[15:55] <smoltalk> I saw Ventoy when looking into alternatives, but didn't end up doing that since I have a decent number of old thumb drives rattling around
[15:56] <smoltalk> SuperLag are you using noble server? I tried 22.04 server for the first time and was actually surprised to see the confirmation behavior
[15:58] <SuperLag> smoltalk: yep, Server.
[15:58] <SuperLag> smoltalk: and I have a custom systemd unit file for my IRC setup. It starts weechat on boot, in a tmux session.
[15:59] <u0_a232> hii
[15:59] <SuperLag> smoltalk: thing is, weechat just got updated, and it *automatically* restarted the service on 24.04 where on 22.04 and 23.10 it'd ask me to confirm if I wanted that, first.
[16:00] <smoltalk> SuperLag https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-notes/39890#services-restart-on-unattended-upgrade-27 seems like this is an intentional change to support unattended-upgrades
[16:00] <smoltalk> link includes instructions on how to exclude specific services from this new behavior
[16:03] <smoltalk> SuperLag thanks for surfacing that! Will be helpful when I update my NAS
[16:03] <smoltalk> night y'all
[16:14] <scatto> hi
[16:14] <scatto> !list
[16:14] <oerheks> https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[16:15] <rbox> lol
[17:01] <tomreyn> roadkill: the reason why you would have had one successful reboot and then a boot to black screen would likely be that during the first boot software (and possibly, kernel version) was upgraded, and then on the second boot you booted running th enewer software.
[17:02] <lavaball> how can i see what lua version mpv is compiled against?
[17:03] <oerheks> perhaps on launchpad? https://launchpad.net/mpv/+packages
[17:03] <luna_3> chrome closed unexpectedly and my computer does not have enough free memory to analyze the problem. 23.10 -- After chrome closed, shouldnt I have plenty of free memory now? What can I check?  (hanks)
[17:04] <lotuspsychj3> luna_3: chrome is not officialy supported by ubuntu
[17:04] <lotuspsychj3> chromium-browser does
[17:04] <oerheks> top or htop
[17:04] <lavaball> oerheks, thanks. look like you guys are actually using 5.2.
[17:06] <oerheks> or find the zombie process: ps aux | grep 'Z'
[17:27] <luna_3> now getting 23.10
[17:27] <Pizdec> hello
[17:28] <leftyfb> luna_3: why 23.10?
[17:29] <leftyfb> luna_3: 23.10 will be end of life in 6 months. I would recommend 22.04.4 or 24.04
[17:38] <MadLamb> I'm having some issue with razer thunderbolt 4 dock. I'm now on Ubuntu 24.04, but was also having the same issue on 23.10. I added a flag on the kernel pcie_aspm=false, and apparently that improved the situation but I still get some random disconnects and the message -> xHCI host controller not responding, assume dead
[17:43] <luna_3> leftyfb, I didnt know.  I wanted to have the  upgrade when offered.
[17:44] <leftyfb> luna_3: then why not just install 24.04?
[17:45] <luna_3> leftyfb, oh wouldnt "they"offer it to me?
[17:46] <lotuspsychj3> MadLamb: there are a few bugs around with your specific error there; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu?field.searchtext=thunderbolt+4+dock&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&
[17:46] <lotuspsychj3> field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[17:46] <leftyfb> luna_3: if you're looking to have 24.04 installed on your machine, why don't you just install 24.04? Why install 23.10 just to immediately upgrade to 24.04?
[17:47] <lotuspsychj3> MadLamb: if you cant find your bug there, best to file a new one against your specific kernel version
[17:51] <luna_3> leftyfb, I didnt know I could immediately update to 24,04 -- I think it is a disservice to users (me) to be offered that. So I'll do that next.
[17:52] <leftyfb> luna_3: I meant a fresh install of 24.04
[17:52] <luna_3> ah leftyfb I cancelled.
[17:53] <luna_3> That is a lot of trouble. ign. My "other computer just died. (It has no-lights so I guess it's the power supply.)
[18:13] <Erotemic> The ChannelList page mentions that many chats are moving to matrix. Is this room mirrored to matrix? If so what is the address so I can join with that instead?
[18:13] <lotuspsychj3> not yet Erotemic
[18:13] <lotuspsychj3> there are going to be server tests soon
[18:14] <Erotemic> Cool. Decentralization is always nice.
[18:14] <lotuspsychj3> Erotemic: but you can already join ubuntu matrix channels nwo too
[18:14] <lotuspsychj3> created on the matrix self
[18:15] <lotuspsychj3> Erotemic: https://ubuntu.com/community/communications/matrix
[18:15] <JanC> Matrix isn't really more decentralised than IRC, unless you mean being on both at the same time  :)
[18:15] <Macer> is there a way to allow snap apps access to network shares?
[18:15] <Macer> they're not even showing up from the file selector when i click 'open' in the app
[18:16] <lotuspsychj3> Macer: all your snap options are in gnome settings/apps
[18:37] <darkdrgn2k> "linux-headers-6.8.0-1005-oem_6.8.0-1005.5_amd64.deb" <- what does the 1005 mean and "oem"
[18:37] <darkdrgn2k> is it just config of the kernel?
[18:38] <lotuspsychj3> darkdrgn2k: oem kernels are specific kernels for some computer brands
[18:38] <lotuspsychj3> darkdrgn2k: in some cases, the ubuntu setup picks oem kernel automaticly for your system
[18:38] <darkdrgn2k> yeh but do they differ from the generic ones?
[18:39] <darkdrgn2k> ok let me rewind a bit
[18:39]  * enyc ROARs
[18:39]  * enyc meows
[18:39] <lotuspsychj3> it has all what kernel 6.8 should have, but with your specific brand tweaks
[18:39] <enyc> darkdrgn2k: more to the point there is a .5 as well :O
[18:40] <darkdrgn2k> im using `6.8.0-1001-intel` kernel from a differnt repo. I want to compile nvidia drivers against it so i grab linux-intel-headers-6.8.0-1001_6.8.0-1001.7_all.deb but this seems to be missing files to compile
[18:40] <enyc> lotuspsychj3: due to particlar hardware oddities needing a *patch* or a different kconfig to build ???
[18:40] <darkdrgn2k> my plan was to extract linux-headers-6.8.0-1005-oem_6.8.0-1005.5_amd64.deb then extract linux-intel-headers-6.8.0-1001_6.8.0-1001.7_all.debon top of it to fill have the blanks filled in
[18:41] <rbox> darkdrgn2k: sounds like a great way to break things and/or have your compiel fail
[18:41] <darkdrgn2k> well the compile fails but the kernel wont load cause its thinks its the wrong kernel
[18:41] <darkdrgn2k> rbox: happy to hear a better path
[18:41] <Macer> oh seriously? lol
[18:42] <rbox> if it "seems to be missing files"
[18:42] <rbox> you should talk to the developers of wthaver arndom kernel this is
[18:42] <rbox> and tell them their packages are broken
[18:42] <darkdrgn2k> its intel :P
[18:42] <rbox> you should probably just use the regular kernel
[18:42] <rbox> and call it a day
[18:42] <darkdrgn2k> missing files i mean like autoconfig.h (i think thast the file)
[18:43] <darkdrgn2k> im trying to get a  new feature working on the latest inte processors.
[18:43] <Macer> lotuspsychj3: it doesn't seem like removable-media = network shares
[18:43] <darkdrgn2k> but i need to compile an nvidia driver against the same kernel
[18:43] <Macer> i can't seem to get libreoffice to access smb shares
[18:46] <darkdrgn2k> "         include/generated/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing.
[18:46] <darkdrgn2k> "
[18:47] <rbox> thats gonna be like the one file that you need to match the actual kernel
[18:49] <darkdrgn2k> but thats my question
[18:49] <darkdrgn2k> 1005 vs 1001 what the actually diff
[18:49] <rbox> you'd have to download the source and look at the differnedce
[18:49] <rbox> but an oem kernel isn't the same as a kernel thats not oem
[18:49] <rbox> sop if you're using intel, its 100% irrelvent
[18:53] <darkdrgn2k> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/  intel only have 5.13 :(
[18:59] <Macer> well. it seems that my sluggishness is related to snap/snapd .. anything installed with snap is super slow
[19:23] <Macer> is it still possible to remove snap altogether and use ubuntu/debian repos instead?
[19:24] <oerheks> then you won' t be able to get pro/livepatch
[19:25] <Macer> :/
[19:25] <Macer> wonder if i can get debian working on this. fedora wouldn't wake up from sleep. not sure what kind of magic ubuntu uses to get that working on this old mbp
[19:26] <Macer> i'm sure the broadcom wifi will be a nightmare and sleep/resume probably won't work either just like fedora
[19:27] <rbox> you dont bhave to remove snap to not use it
[19:35] <Macer> rbox: yeah it seems that you can just use apt vs the app manager app
[19:36] <Macer> but i thought there was awkwardness with that. such as apt installing the ff snap vs the pkg
[19:37] <rbox> removing snap isn't going to magically add new packages to the repos
[19:37] <JeffH> What is the point of snap?
[19:37] <CosmicDJ> Macer: some apps like firefox or thunderbird are snap only now
[19:38] <rbox> Snaps are a secure and scalable way to embed applications on Linux devices. A snap is an application containerised with all its dependencies.
[19:38] <oerheks> hop distro if you don' t like snaps?
[19:38] <JeffH> rbox: kind of like how Mac has packaged its apps for quite a while now?
[19:39] <rbox> no clue what mac does
[19:39] <Macer> figure flatpak also packages apps in the same manner minus the squashfs?
[19:40] <Macer> rbox: i understand the concept. but it seems like there is a lot of sluggishness with snap apps vs native pkgs. i'll see what i can work out using apt.
[19:40] <oerheks> flatpak does not give settings like snap does.
[19:40] <rbox> yes flatpak is similar
[19:41] <oerheks> it is known that a 1st start can be timeconsuming, might be updating the snap first
[19:41] <JeffH> I can see the value of snap for embedded applications.  Seems a bit overkill for a desktop.
[19:41] <Macer> i mean it makes sense. it just doesn't seem to work very fast. i'm seeing much faster speeds for loading etc when installing native pkgs vs using snaps. also little things like snaps not being able to access network shares seems to be quite a hangup.
[19:41] <Macer> even if you try to add the connection
[19:42] <rbox> JeffH: i would never use it for embedded... too big
[19:42] <Macer> i am still wondering if the luks encryption is slowing things down too
[19:42] <rbox> Macer: yes
[19:42] <Macer> i'm getting high wait io times still so maybe
[19:43] <Macer> but a couple pkg apps vs snap apps went must faster.
[19:43] <Macer> *much
[19:44] <Macer> let me give libreoffice a go and see if that has improved performance as well.
[19:44] <Macer> the libreoffice ui was acting flakey in the snap as well
[19:47] <oerheks> on that smb share?
[19:48] <oerheks> smb v2 or higher setting can improve speed
[19:49] <oerheks> client min protocol = SMB2  client max protocol = SMB3
[19:50] <jpmh> I'm not understanding something about rsync - to get this to the simplest I did: rsync -a  /home/ /tmp/home - since I had the -a I expected the ownerships to be preserved.  All directories in /home were owned by the expected user, in /tmp/home all by root.  I did do this as the root - what am I missing here?
[19:53] <oerheks> rsync preservs ownership indeed, --archive, -a            archive mode is -rlptgoD (no -A,-X,-U,-N,-H)
[19:54] <oerheks> did you try to set it back, does it keep ownership?
[19:54] <jpmh> oerheks: yes - but it is not - so, what am I doing wrong?
[19:54] <jpmh> oerheks: what do you mean by "set it back"?
[19:54] <oerheks> from /tmp/home  to home
[19:56] <jpmh> oerheks: I do not want to damage my /home - and I just chose this as an example that is simple to understand and shows the issue
[20:08] <oerheks> you only find out when you set the backup back, no?
[20:08] <oerheks> choose some other folder as test?
[20:08] <oerheks> many guides show  rsync -avz but just -a should do
[20:09] <jpmh> oerheks: NO!  I do an ls -la /home and and ls -la /tmp/home - and I expect that the ownership of each directory therein will be the same
[20:14] <jpmh> oerheks: 1) I originally was using -auvz and removed each letter in turn, just in case.  And, I have tried other directories and have the same issue
[20:22] <luna_3> Matrix is run from my browser (canonical sent me there) and so it is more trackable than irc.
[20:25] <luna_3> lotuspsychj3> Macer: all your snap options are in gnome settings/apps  --- Please tell me where that is more specifically.  )I have been looking up line by line almost in this interesting but baffling discussion herein. - I want a list of my installed apps to help me reinstall them after I do a clean install.
[20:26] <oerheks> snap list
[20:27] <oerheks> and settings > applications give snap permissions
[20:27] <luna_3> (I give up following after being over an hour behind. My question about getting a list of what I have installed so I can put it back -  after doing a clean install to 24.04
[20:27] <luna_3> oerheks, I'' try that.
[20:30] <Macer> oerheks: i doubt that's the issue. i just installed the apt pkg instead and it works just fine. so i'll just go with that.
[20:30] <Macer> i'll just avoid snaps at all costs heh
[20:30] <luna_3> those are mostly system stuff .. gnome gtk snapd softwear-boutique  ubuntu-mate-welcome -- the only one I have installed in hexchat (and mate)
[20:31] <luna_3> When will the first update to 24.04 come out, so others may find the best bugs...
[21:15] <imi> hi, I have 2 questions
[21:16] <imi> first question: how does one upgrade an up-to-date Ubuntu 22.04 jammy desktop to 24.04 LTS?
[21:17] <JanC> not (yet)
[21:17] <imi> :'(
[21:17] <younder> You will be asked if you want to upgrade when 22.04.1 is released in july.
[21:17] <imi> I see
[21:17] <oerheks> as usual
[21:17] <JanC> or August
[21:17] <imi> thanks
[21:18] <imi> then I suppose the same will happen on the server as well
[21:19] <younder> If you can't wait there is a do-release-upgrade -d, but that is not recommended for critical systems.
[21:20] <oerheks> indeed, we do not recommend to use the -d development option, but if you do, prepare an usb with a fresh 24.04 iso first
[21:21] <younder> I have it running on a couple of PI's, while the server and workstation still use 22.04 LTS
[21:21] <imi> ok don't worry I can wait
[21:21] <oerheks> 24.04 and pi 5 ?
[21:21] <oerheks> !releasenotes
[21:22] <younder> The PI's now running 24.04 are PI 4's
[21:22] <imi> why is that on my server there's an 5.x kernel on my destop there is a 6.x server?
[21:22] <oerheks> hwe probably
[21:23] <imi> both up to date x64
[21:23] <oerheks> on a fresh install hwe is enabled standard
[21:23] <oerheks> !hwe
[21:24] <younder> with hwe you get a 6.5 kernel while 22.04 has 6.8 kernel, default for 22.04 is a 5.15
[21:24] <imi> what makes an LTS releate an existing LTS release?
[21:24] <oerheks> when released in upgrade, there is an online list what versions are
[21:26] <younder> I noticed the 22.04.1 offers a 12 years extended support period instead of 10
[21:26] <oerheks> younder, the catch is not the desktop..
[21:26] <younder> ahh
[21:28] <oerheks> ubuntu-security-status
[21:39] <dlsnd> for a price
[22:43] <luna_3> HOW CAN i GET THE MIRROR IMAGE OF A SHOT (SO i CAN READ THE TEXT)?  tHANKS - IE WHAT PROGRAM?
[22:43] <luna_3> oops
[22:47] <oerheks> !info darktable
[22:55] <tomreyn> luna_3: ^ gimp works, too. maybe shotwell also.
[22:56] <JanC> if you just want to flip an image to read a text on it, just the default image viewer will do...
[22:57] <JanC> (also: you can't read mirrored text? :) )
[22:57] <Macer> https://pastebin.com/Vc82TJwx hm
[22:57] <Macer> what is going on with sssd there?
[22:58] <Macer> lots of 'invalid arguments' in journalctl -xe
[22:59] <jpmh> oerheks: just an update on that WEIRD -a situation.  Actually, it was MY lack of patience.  It transfers ALL the directories and creates them as root, then, when it has transfered the files there it changes the attributes.
[22:59] <jpmh> oerheks: ty so much for your patience though
[23:07] <oerheks> jpmh, have fun!
[23:08] <oerheks> the ' other folder' did the trick ?
[23:08] <jpmh> oerheks: NO - just letting it run to completion did the trick
[23:09] <jpmh> there was enough in the /home that it did take some time
[23:09] <oerheks> oh oke
[23:09] <oerheks> rsync -avz  does some compression to speed up
[23:10] <jpmh> oerheks: yes - and that is what I always use, I just I had never looked at the directories as they were created and before they were populated before
[23:11] <jpmh> and actually, on the same machine, the -z does actually slow it down
[23:12] <Macer> ah seels like sssd was configured for sockets
[23:12] <Macer> but default sssd install adds nss, pam to services
[23:12] <Macer> that's weird
[23:13] <Macer> ● sssd-pac.service                                                                                      loaded failed failed    SSSD PAC Service responder
[23:13] <Macer> still can't figure that one out though
[23:51] <highrate> playing around with latest ubuntu, logged in my steam account, do I need to install wine before some games work?
[23:52] <rbox> steam has everyhting you need to make games work
[23:53] <highrate> i guess its my game choice then
[23:53] <highrate> cause its not working
[23:54] <highrate> nice cause this is the first time steam worked for me
[23:54] <highrate> maybe halo infinite will work