[00:21] <highrate> halo infinite not working either
[00:21] <highrate> still 'anti cheat' window
[00:21] <highrate> still on*
[00:21] <highrate> initilizing for like 5 minutes now
[00:21] <highrate> initializing
[01:36] <fuxaches> I am pretty new to Linux - Ubuntu in particular. In 22.04 and 24.04 it appears that there are UFW, iptables and nftables for firewall choices. How intertwined are the three? If I enable UFW and make some rules, I will see their equivalent in iptables and nftables... But if I disable UFW, will iptables and nftables still hold UFW's equivalent rules?
[01:50] <rbox> ufw is just a frontend to iptables
[01:50] <rbox> so if you disable ufw, then theres nothing to set the rules
[01:52] <leftyfb> except iptables
[01:53] <fuxaches> rbox: ufw is just a frontend to iptables - It also seems that UFW is also a frontend for nftables... So if I disable UFW then the rules must also disappear for nftables as well...?
[01:53] <rbox> iptables and nftables are basically the same thing
[01:53] <rbox> iptables is usually a wrapper around nftables in modern kernels
[01:54] <fuxaches> so, if ufw is disabled, you can create rules in  either iptables or nftables and they'll seemlessly translate. The same goes for ufw, unless it is disabled...?
[01:55] <leftyfb> fuxaches: pick 1 and stick with it. Otherwise you are likely run into issues
[01:55] <rbox> well you just disable you already see them
[01:55] <rbox> in iptables and nftables
[01:55] <Macer> think i finally got this macbook pro in a functional state
[01:55] <Macer> i did completely remove snap from it though. i'm fine without the live patches
[01:56] <Macer> it sounds like it's beeping though. wonder what that's about. maybe noise hitting the audio controller?
[01:57] <leftyfb> Macer: you know there's more to snap than just live updates right? By default Firefox is only a snap as is gnome and thunderbird
[01:59] <Macer> gnome still seems to be functional .. if i bump into something that the system requires then i'll just install it with apt
[02:00] <leftyfb> Macer: if you just disabled snap (put it on hold? Disabled the service? Then it's likely you're still running the snap packages but won't receive updates to them (NOT recommended, especially for something like Firefox)
[02:01] <Macer> i uninstalled ff. i use brave anyways. and just added their repo to install it.
[02:01] <Macer> odd. i didn't really see anything related to gnome other than some gnome43 snap which i assumed was for legacy apps
[02:06] <Macer> it looks like the majority of gnome was installed using pkgs
[02:52] <vjuarezg> hello
[02:54] <vjuarezg> whats up
[04:01] <ice9> will LTS get gnome 46.1 ?
[04:02] <rbox> LTS what
[04:03] <ice9> ah 24.04
[04:05] <rbox> what does it have now
[04:06] <alazy> 23.10. I ran dpkg add-architecture i386 to install the steam-installer. Steam works great, but now apt tries to find i386 repositories for a bunch of ppa's that don't have them and it leads to slower apt updates and messy output. I can't dpkg --remove-architecture i386 because it's in use by the database. Is there a way to tell dpkg/apt that I want to allow an exception for steam, but otherwise
[04:06] <alazy> stop trying to check every repo for i386 packages?
[04:06] <ice9> rbox, 46
[04:07] <rbox> maybe, maybe not
[05:21] <SecuredBlueberry> Hey guys, Cyanococcus fruit here
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> you got a support question SecuredBlueberry ?
[05:23] <SecuredBlueberry> >_> I uhhhhhhhhh Is the latest LTS ubuntu versions compatable with the latest gen Intel CPUs? 13th and onward?
[05:24] <SecuredBlueberry> A few years ago when 12th Gen intel CPUs just came out, the LTS I was using was mega glitchy with the hardware
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> give it a try with a liveusb, to test your hardware SecuredBlueberry
[05:24] <SecuredBlueberry> True
[05:25] <SecuredBlueberry> ty
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | SecuredBlueberry see also
[05:29] <SecuredBlueberry> ty
[05:29] <SecuredBlueberry> +10 blueberries to you
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> ill take cookies too :p
[05:41] <smoltalk> o/ all
[05:41] <smoltalk> NeilRG you ever figure out the iowait issue you were dealing with?
[05:47] <smoltalk> err sorry that may have been Macer. NeilRG you were looking into a high wa issue. Same q though
[06:27] <zy_> emm
[06:27] <smoltalk> erm?
[06:27] <zy_> hello
[06:27] <smoltalk> hey there
[06:28] <zy_> is this a ubuntu chat room?
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> !support | zy_
[06:30] <zy_> sure
[06:32] <zy_> my ubuntu20,Power-on prompt “ucsi acpi
[06:32] <zy_> USBC000:00:
[06:32] <zy_> possible UCSI driver bug 2”
[06:33] <zy_> Can these be hidden?
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> zy_: pre-boot messages you will always see
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> until plymouth and gdm
[06:34] <smoltalk> taking my tweaked noble desktop autoinstall.yaml for a walk; wish me luck!
[06:36] <zy_> On the tty3 interface, it pops up every few seconds, and I can't enter my account password or other commands
[06:36] <zy_> my computer is lenovo thinkpad E14 gen2
[06:36] <smoltalk> zy_ even if messages are being printed to the console, they don't affect input that you're prompted for, as far as I'm aware of. You should still be able to log in and issue commands
[06:38] <zy_> No, the input was not completed and was interrupted by this. I need to re-input again.
[06:38] <zy_> Need quick input in a few seconds
[06:39] <smoltalk> Have you tried googling that error message? I imagine updating or reinstalling your device drivers might help. You might also want to consider upgrading to a later version. As far as I can tell, that laptop is a lot newer than your current Ubuntu version. Ubuntu releases don't get much in the way of backports by default (not sure if this is true
[06:39] <smoltalk> for device drivers or just APT packages though)
[06:40] <smoltalk> I'd recommend 22.04 LTS, 23.10, or 24.04 LTS if you're feeling spicy
[06:41] <zy_> The system has been updated, I think it's a problem with the lenovo usb driver, but I don't know how to fix it
[06:41] <smoltalk> I'm not talking about updating the packages on your system. You mentioned you're using 20.04, which is four years old at this point
[06:42] <smoltalk> If you want to stay on an LTS version, 22.04 is very stable and has a lot of community OSS projects that support it. 24.04 dropped less than a week ago. Haven't used it much yet but I imagine I might have some trouble when I run my provisioning scripts.
[06:43] <zy_> I need ros noetic,ros1 only supports to ubuntu20
[06:43] <usuario> title
[06:44] <usuario> himno argentino
[06:46] <smoltalk> zy_ I haven't used 20.04 in quite a while. If you need to stay on it, you should investigate how to upgrade your device drivers--they have a separate upgrade process from APT packages / snaps / etc
[06:47] <zy_> Yes, but I can only update apt, it has no effect.
[06:47] <smoltalk> Yeah there's a separate process for device drivers. It should be available on the wiki or other Ubuntu documentation.
[06:48] <zy_> I can try ros noetic on ubuntu22 when I have time.
[06:48] <zy_> Thank you
[06:50] <smoltalk> You could also upgrade to a later version and try running ROS in a 20.04 VM via VirtualBox/etc
[06:50] <smoltalk> Not sure that would fix your issue, but at least the rest of your system would be usable until you sort out the driver upgrade issue
[06:51] <zy_> Okay, maybe it can be like this
[06:51] <zy_> thanks
[06:56] <smoltalk> zy_ one other thing you might want to investigate is migrating your project to ROS 2. Looks like it supports newer Ubuntu releases. If not, you could also try upgrading to a newer Ubuntu version and building/installing ROS noetic from source: https://github.com/ros/ros
[07:19] <int33h> hi im a little uneducated when it comes to apparmour, it seems to be interfearing with ceph atm is there a good way to allow things through apparmour
[07:21] <smoltalk> What have you already tried, and could you provide more information about your setup?
[07:21] <smoltalk> Also what have you observed that leads you to believe that apparmor is causing issues with ceph?
[07:22] <int33h> smoltalk: audit: type=1400 audit(1714374666.191:129): apparmor="DENIED" operation="signal" class="signal" profile="docker-default" pid=177793 comm="runc" requested_mask="receive" denied_mask="receive" signal=kill peer="runc"
[07:22] <int33h> i figured the denied was couse to suspect apparmour :P
[07:23] <smoltalk> My wetware never got the telepathy upgrade, so I had no way to know until you told me :p
[07:23] <int33h> smoltalk: :P
[07:24] <int33h> im waiting for that upgrade to, also the teleportation one but procurment seems to have delays
[07:24] <smoltalk> Yeah but there's a workaround for that one. If you have enough beers, you usually won't remember the trip
[07:25] <int33h> :)
[07:26] <int33h> every time before when i played around with apparmour i just managed to make things worse, its a little blackboxy :P
[07:27] <smoltalk> int33h What have you tried so far, and what effects have those changes had, if any?
[07:28] <int33h> at this specific time nothing realy, since the former times i tried have ended in disaster i figured i ask first if anyone is good at this stuff and have some tips or links that help before i try to hammer this,
[07:30] <smoltalk> Fair warning, I've never had any need to muck around with apparmor config yet. I do note though that the audit log line you shared is showing that it's using a security profile installed by docker. Are you trying to run this in a docker container? And if not, could you provide more info on your setup?
[07:31] <smoltalk> My social engineering skills are also off, so I can't work around the telepathy problem by sweet-talking a Ring engineer to let me access one of your cameras xD
[07:32] <int33h> smoltalk: cephadm sets up a bunch of dockers im considering setting the docker_default profile into complain mode instead of enforce mode atm though
[07:32] <int33h> but i cannot find the profile :p
[07:33] <smoltalk> What I'm trying to get at is what commands did you run to set up ceph that led you to observe those audit log issues. As somebody who also hasn't used ceph, it would probably be more productive to google for this sort of thing. If you're following a standard setup process, it's likely that you aren't the first person to encounter this issue
[07:35] <smoltalk> But if you were trying to customize your setup in some way due to non-standard hardware/etc, that's definitely a lot harder.
[07:35] <int33h> it seems not many have run ceph in 24.04 atm i had to solve other problems to get his far, cephadmlib is missing in 24.04 ceph so had to build it that from sourcepackages
[07:36] <smoltalk> Oh you're on 24.04. That's also helpful. Were you using ceph on any older Ubuntu releases? If so, you weren't encountering this problem?
[07:36] <int33h> on earlier releases it was possible to use ceph:s own packages but not on 24.04
[07:37] <int33h> Its a lab cluster to test things before production so nothing is burning :)
[07:40] <smoltalk> Might be a good idea to check out what changes have been made to apparmor in 24.04 since the last known good OS version you tested against. Once you have that list of changes, you should be able to find some leads on how to dig into this problem. Searching "ubuntu noble apparmor" revealed some other user complaints about apparmor's default settings
[07:40] <smoltalk> causing problems with docker. You could also start by checking Docker's documentation and github issues to see if anybody is experiencing issues on 24.04.
[07:41] <int33h> yea search but not much info out there yet
[07:41] <smoltalk> You checked the docker gh repo issues yet?
[07:41] <smoltalk> What about reading up on the docker-default security profile?
[07:41] <smoltalk> And the apparmor change list?
[07:42] <int33h> it seems to be more about the docker-default profile but i cant find how to set that in complain mode instead of enforce mode since it dosnt seem to have a profile file anywhere
[07:44] <smoltalk> Yeah, but that same profile is likely used on earlier versions of Ubuntu, and possibly across all target systems using apparmor. Reading up on the Docker docs for that and giving the apparmor docs a quick skim might not solve your problem immediately, but you'll pick up some new stuff that might help you later on.
[08:32] <smoltalk> Okay, new thing I learned today--multiple storage devices with the same characteristics have an arbitrary order on boot, and Subiquity's autoinstaller does not like that
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | smoltalk
[08:43] <smoltalk> My mistake
[08:56] <smoltalk> Let me rephrase the follow-up as a support question then. I have an autoinstall.yaml included on my 24.04 desktop installation media, and it contains errors. It's mounted to /cdrom in read-only mode, and I imagine trying remount it in write mode while running the installer would not be feasible. I can update the installer file from another system
[08:56] <smoltalk> and rsync it over, but is there any way I can restart subiquity and get it to ignore that old yaml file?
[09:18] <smoltalk> Also does anybody know if I need to specify a separate nvme_controller action in autoinstall.yaml for each physical NVMe drive? Curtin and Subiquity's docs don't reference this at all, even though it was generated by Subiquity's autoinstaller
[09:19] <smoltalk> err as part of autoinstall-user-data after I did an installation with default settings + LUKS/LVM
[09:50] <isene> My company (software in shipping) is looking for someone who can do a couple of inspirational talks on AI in connection to our yearly hackathon. Possibly a wrong channel here, but trying nevertheless. PM me if interested or if you know anyone who could be.
[09:53] <Macer> smoltalk still trying to sort the high io wa
[09:54] <Macer> You were asking earlier. The next step is to wipe it and try zfs encryption or maybe just focus on home dir encryption only. Could just be an issue with the MacBook controller.
[09:54] <smoltalk> Macer anything interesting in journalctl?
[09:54] <Macer> I mean I can use it. But it’s definitely slower than it should be and I didn’t encounter this sort of slow down in fedora.
[09:55] <Macer> Nothing of interest. Not in syslog or dmesg either.
[09:55] <Macer> I don’t even know what I’m looking for other than I know the io is high on the ssd
[09:56] <Macer> I tried mounting with discard to trim and removing mitigations as well. No help.
[09:56] <smoltalk> Weird. IIRC you can disable journaling on ext4 partitions. Not sure if that's the case xfs, but if memory serves, it's always on
[09:57] <Macer> Yeah. But this all seems over the top. Like I said fedora didn’t have these slowdowns. But fedora wouldn’t wake from sleep.
[09:57] <Macer> Suspend. The gift that keeps on giving.
[09:59] <smoltalk> And what was iotop showing you? I think `iotop -ao` specifically, or whichever flags show output only and aggregate it.
[10:00] <smoltalk> Also I think I asked you yesterday but don't recall the answer: how's your memory usage looking like? I was thinking it could be due to thrashing
[10:14] <ice9> this bug is really annoying, anyone having it too? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/2064099
[10:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2064099 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Quickly switching right and left clicks freezes Nautilus" [Undecided, New]
[10:14] <int33h> solved the ceph issues by just disabling apparmour
[10:15] <int33h> now keystone isnt working, seems to be quite some few bugs with 24.04 ceph and openstack
[10:20] <smoltalk> Am I missing something regarding subiquity? I was under the understanding that the installation media loaded it as a snap, but I don't see it. More to the point, how do I restart it so I can test the changes I made on the root of my installation system?
[10:41] <smoltalk> int33h while I was trying to figure out how to restart subiquity without rebooting, I noticed some apparmor denials on the snaps running on the installer setup in dmesg. I haven't observed that on my old 22.04 systems that were upgraded from 18.04 or 20.04, so I think there's probably some tweaks that need to be made there
[10:42] <smoltalk> At this point I've blown a full day on trying to get noble running. I think I'm going to fall back to 22.04 and upgrade after the new version has had more time to bake
[10:49] <smoltalk> int33h was browsing the apparmor docs while I wait for the jammy isos to finish downloading. I imagine keystone might have some sort of dependency on apparmor given its function. Did you try deleting the docker apparmor profiles and restarting apparmor / rebooting before removing it entirely?
[10:50] <smoltalk> AppArmor only manages applications for which profiles are defined, so that seems like a safer option than deleting it completely.
[11:03] <smoltalk> int33h one more interesting tidbit while I was re-flashing install media: it looks like 24.04 upgraded apparmor to 4.0 (my current 22.04 system is running 3.0.4). The release notes [1] indicate that this was done to support some isolation features in snap, but AppArmor's release notes [2] indicate that this new version is still considered to be in
[11:03] <smoltalk> development, so that might explain some of the issues folks have been having.
[11:03] <smoltalk> [1] https://ubuntu.com/blog/whats-new-in-security-for-ubuntu-24-04-lts
[11:03] <smoltalk> [2] https://gitlab.com/apparmor/apparmor/-/releases
[11:08] <smoltalk> int33h I think I disconnected before I sent my last messages. You get the info I posted on apparmor 4?
[11:17] <jp__> ello, i see something weird. in a folder i have files organized according to date modified. But the value for 2 files are "ra"... Any idea what this corresponds to?
[11:19] <Walex> smoltalk: AppArmor 24.04 works here. Note that for snaps there is the old home-dir issue
[11:19] <int33h> smoltalk: i solved it by disabling apparomour :)
[11:20] <Walex> smoltalk: in particular setting <tunables/home.d/site-local,conf> seems quiten important.
[11:20] <int33h> now ceph works as it should now i just have to figure out why keystone dosnt work
[11:20] <Walex> int33h: you can set it to "complain mode" and then watch the logs
[11:21] <Walex> jp__: where does "ra" appear?
[11:21] <smoltalk> Walex I've heard reports that it's causing issues specifically with dockerized applications using default settings. int33h had such a problem and eventually tried to solve it by nuking it from orbit. He was unable to determine how to set the docker profile to complain mode (possibly because docker security profiles seem to be generated on the
[11:21] <smoltalk> fly?).
[11:21] <int33h> Walex: i tried but docker-default dosnt have a profile file to set as complain and in the end at this stage of the lab test im not worried about security. just evaluating functionality
[11:21] <smoltalk> int33h did you get keystone working though?
[11:22] <jp__> walex: as the last modified date
[11:22] <int33h> smoltalk: not yet, just got back from a meeting so had to take a break with it
[11:22] <ogra_> Walex, urgh ... there is a system setting for snaps to poin to non-std homedirs, you shouldnt disable appamor fo that
[11:23] <smoltalk> int33h not sure ceph starts its containers, but you can specify alternate apparmor profiles when starting the containers from the command line. Reinstalling apparmor and doing that with the profile in complain mode should solve both problems simultaneously
[11:23] <ogra_> Walex, https://snapcraft.io/docs/home-outside-home
[11:23] <Walex> jp__: try env LC_ALL=C ....
[11:24] <int33h> smoltalk: yea i was heading in that direction but i felt that nuking apparmour was quicker in this instance then unraweling how cephadm handles container start
[11:24] <smoltalk> ogra_ it's int'33h having that issue, not wale'x. And he's having an issue with Docker containers, not snaps
[11:24] <smoltalk> sorry for assuming pronouns y'all, my bad
[11:25] <ogra_> smoltalk, walex suggested to turn off essentially all security for somethinmg that has a proper config option ...
[11:25] <ogra_> that's why i pointed out the option
[11:25] <smoltalk> int33h but now you have a whole new problem with keystone. And if you ever get this setup running, you probably should actually have apparmor (or SELinux at least) working
[11:25] <smoltalk> Ooh, alternatively you could try downgrading to a 3.x version of apparmor. Not sure how 24.04's snapd will like that, but it's another option
[11:26] <int33h> smoltalk: yea defently but im going to nuke this cluster multiple times before that happens :)
[11:27] <Walex> int33h: another option which is better than "complain mode" is to disale not AppArmor entirely but only the profile that causes your problems ("/etc/apparmor.d/disable/...")
[11:27] <int33h> i built all my scripts for deploying a small openstack cluster so i can do repetetive tests
[11:28] <jp__> walex: what?
[11:28] <smoltalk> walex: that doesn't work on docker since the profiles are generated on the fly. He'd have to generate a copy of the generated profiles, modify them, and make sure the containers started with those complain-only profiles instead. Downgrading seems simpler if it doesn't break snap
[11:28] <int33h> Walex: ahh so i basicly just need to touch a file with docker-default in /etc/apparmour.d/disable ?
[11:28] <Walex> int33h: except for the issue "smoltalk" reports
[11:28] <smoltalk> oh, wasn't aware of the disable subdir. Just gonna back into the bushes here...
[11:28] <jp__> smoltalk: my uni teacher was always raving about smalltalk. are you by any chance a smalltalk dev?
[11:28] <int33h> Walex: yea it was when i noticed that it was generated on the fly i nuked apparmour instead :)
[11:29] <Walex> jp__: I once got a job as a Smalltalk developer, and then after the notice period I turned up and they had switched ton Visual Basic. The horror, the horror.
[11:29] <smoltalk> jp__ nope just made it up while I was drunk for IRC handle purposes
[11:29] <smoltalk> but yeah I was referencing the programming language
[11:30] <jp__> Is visual basic that bad?
[11:30] <jp__> I did some stuff in qbasic awhile back
[11:30] <jp__> when i was a teenager
[11:30] <Walex> jp__: run the command that printed the timestamp prefixed with "env LC_ALL=C"
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> lets keep it ontopic please
[11:31] <Walex> jp__: the strange timestamp might be a consequence of localization settings.
[11:31] <jp__> walex: the timestamp is in nautilus
[11:31] <Walex> jp__: then check if the same happens with 'ls -l'
[11:31] <jp__> nah, it shows an actual date
[11:31] <jp__> but i am still curious where the "ra" comes from
[11:31] <int33h> hmm it looks like keystone-manage db_sync fails halfway through so db isnt properly populated
[11:32] <Walex> jp__: then for Nautilus you can temporarily set in GNOME settings the localization setting to "USA" if not already set like that,
[11:32] <jp__> walex: i have been using ubuntu for a very long time now, it's my main OS. Never before have i seen this
[11:32] <jp__> I thought it might be an error code or something
[11:33] <Walex> jp__: it can surely be an error in the code.
[11:33] <jp__> haha, no like Nan or None
[11:33] <Walex> jp__: another check to do is to see if it happens running it as another user.
[11:33] <jp__> file still open or something
[11:35] <Walex> jp__: do you have a screenshot?
[11:38] <jp__> https://pasteboard.co/jvY9HMigFD0h.png
[11:40] <smoltalk> Never seen that before... maybe a script that modified that file set the wrong value? Only time I've worried about manually manipulating file times was for rsync-based backups
[11:41] <smoltalk> Oh this doesn't show up on the CLI; only on nautilus
[11:48] <int33h> asking the guys in #openstack for help with the keystone issue, its wierd though should be same package as caracal cloud repo and it worked from that one
[11:49] <jp__> yeah only on nautilus
[11:49] <jp__> Very weird
[12:08] <int33h> im werry curious if someone managed to get a openstack running on 24.04 :P
[12:13] <JanC> jp__: what language are you using?
[12:13] <jp__> english (US)
[12:14] <smoltalk> int33h are you still doing the "no apparmor" approach?
[12:14] <JanC> does it change if you make that column wider?
[12:15] <smoltalk> int33h could you try installing the latest 3.x version of apparmor? I'm not clear on what you want your lab / cluster setup to do, but you really shouldn't be rawdogging it with all the containers you're going to run on it
[12:17] <smoltalk> I'm also curious for selfish reasons to see if the 24.04 version of snap will function with that apparmor version
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:17] <smoltalk> o/
[12:19] <jp__> is openstack production ready or still a hobby project?
[12:19] <JanC> eh
[12:19] <jp__> is it working good on 22.04?
[12:20] <JanC> it never was a hobby project AFAIK
[12:20] <smoltalk> Try #ubuntu-discuss for non-support related stuff. Just saying this so the old head who already warned me twice doesn't have to do it again
[12:20] <JanC> big companies have been using it for years
[12:21] <jp__> smoltalk: that channel doesn't even exist
[12:21] <jp__> oh wait, missed an 's'
[12:21] <JanC> jp__: does the "ra" change if you make that column wider?
[12:22] <jp__> JanC: Nope
[12:23] <jp__> but it is in conjuction with this other project. So i am using a pluging that does requests except they didn't implement any timeout so the program hangs
[12:23] <jp__> I was hoping the RA could point me towards a clue, but i am leaving it for now
[12:23] <jp__> restarted the server and it has already overwritten one of the files
[12:24] <JanC> what do you mean by plugin?  a nautilus plugin or something else?
[12:27] <jp__> JanC: a software plugin for a work project
[12:27] <jp__> eg; code i didn't write myself
[12:27] <smoltalk> JanC both GNOME and its apps are extendible
[12:27] <jp__> smoltalk: what would be the use-cases
[12:27] <JanC> jp__: so not a plugin for nautilus or Gvfs but for a third party program?
[12:28] <jp__> JanC: yeah, a python module
[12:28] <jp__> not really an Ubuntu question
[12:28] <jp__> But since, the RA appears in nautilus i was curious what it meant
[12:28] <JanC> so that can't really explain the nautilus problem
[12:28] <jp__> googling didn't really give me any answers
[12:28] <jp__> Was hoping someone here ran into it as well
[12:29] <JanC> can you tell us what the actual date is for those files that show "ra"?
[12:29] <JanC> e.g. with ls
[12:30] <smoltalk> jp__ if you've added some custom extensions to nautilus, it's likely that's related. Not sure what kind of requests you're making from nautilus, but I'd recommend handling any sort of GUI-based-shortcuts in coding projects from IDE plugins/extensions instead of messing with core OS functionality
[12:30] <JanC> nautilus might have an option to show real dates also
[12:30] <JanC> smoltalk: they just said it's not a plugin in nautilus
[12:31] <jp__> https://pasteboard.co/3x6zVJuTiZpC.png
[12:32] <jp__> smoltalk: I only use nautilus to view the modified date on the files, as in when was the last update
[12:32] <jp__> So i don't have to open the file and check last timestamp
[12:32] <JanC> so they are both from April 25th
[12:32] <jp__> not using nautilus programmatically or have any extensions whatsoever
[12:32] <JanC> which is 4 days ago
[12:33] <jp__> JanC: yeah, that was it.... but the software hung and i had a long weekend
[12:33] <jp__> SO when i came in this morning it was frozen
[12:33] <jp__> which is why i wondered why there was an 'ra' at the date
[12:33] <jp__> this is a know issue, the hanging, still finding all the different places where requests are being made
[12:34] <jp__> but it's the first time it gave me the code 'ra'
[12:34] <JanC> it wasn't nautilus that was frozen, right ?
[12:35] <jp__> JanC: nope, only the program that alters the file
[12:35] <jp__> where the program froze it was probable that the file was still open
[12:35] <jp__> files*
[12:35] <JanC> then it should not make a difference  :)
[12:35] <jp__> can't find the code 'ra' anywhere in the nautilus source code though
[12:36] <jp__> yeah, JanC: i was just curious if it meant anything or if it was more of a ghost bits situation
[12:36] <JanC> the date in the filesystem is just a number that is a counter since January 1st 1970 on midnight
[12:36] <JanC> what you see is converted from that
[12:37] <JanC> I know Nautilus does things like "Yesterday" & "Today"
[12:37] <JanC> but how it got "ar" no idea
[12:38] <jp__> yeah same here JanC: it's baffling
[12:38] <JanC> if you have other files that are 4 days old, maybe check them too
[12:38] <JanC> from April 25th
[12:39] <smoltalk> jp__ maybe try restarting nautilus in diagnostic mode and checking its logs when you open that directory. This SO thread has instructions on how to do so: https://askubuntu.com/questions/739998/how-to-debug-nautilus-crashes-and-issues
[12:39] <JanC> (I assume that's also 4 days ago for you)
[12:39] <jp__> yeah it is
[12:40] <jp__> https://pasteboard.co/oLgKp2kxZ4WQ.png
[12:40] <jp__> this one was last modified on the 25th. also showing ra
[12:40] <JanC> oh, it's showing day of the week
[12:42] <JanC> what is LC_TIME set to on your system?
[12:43] <jp__> pap_cw not found
[12:43] <JanC> echo $LC_TIME
[12:43] <jp__> pap_CW
[12:43] <jp__> think it has to do with that?
[12:44] <jp__> Jeez, why put everything in english if it's just gonna grab a random practically non-existent language for the time
[12:44] <JanC> yes, what language is that?
[12:44] <jp__> papiamento
[12:44] <jp__> Curacao and area
[12:45] <jp__> its probably what the CW stands for
[12:45] <JanC> does the weekday for Thursday start with "ra" in papiamento?
[12:45] <jp__> nah
[12:45] <JanC> or abbreviation?
[12:45] <jp__> negative
[12:45] <JanC> weird
[12:46] <jp__> but it's such a small language i doubt canonical or whatever knows the right abbr
[12:46] <jp__> anyways, i see for monday and wednesday is also some weird nonsensical name
[12:46] <jp__> so i'm gonna chalk it up to being a translation error in naming local time
[12:47] <JanC> you want the date forma to be local?
[12:47] <jp__> I' gonna go do something productive cause my boss has been clearing his throat for 15 minutes straight
[12:47] <JanC> format
[12:47] <jp__> Thanks JanC: you helped me figure it out
[12:51] <JanC> you might want to change the LC_* settings to something other than papiamento when you have some time...  :)
[13:05] <Vasco> ola
[13:13] <fixeq> Hey!
[13:13] <tarzeau> hey!
[13:14] <fixeq> I hava a question
[13:14] <fixeq> have*
[13:53] <Polochon_street> hi guys! I just got a "unable to find a medium containing a live system ubuntu" trying to boot a live USB of ubuntu - however, it downloaded by itself an ISO, so I'm wondering, how do I boot further from there?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> Polochon_street: can you elaborate that a bit
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> !details | Polochon_street
[14:39] <Walex> Polochon_street: you probably have a lot of drives in that system.
[14:40] <Walex> Polochon_street: live USBs/CDs often check only the first 4-6 drives to find the filesystem image.
[15:29] <Diagon> Ubuntu install: I used to be able to prepare my disks and on manual install, find /dev/mapper/* listed among the disks. I'm not finding that now. Is there a work-around?
[15:34] <CosmicDJ> Diagon: do you use LVM or luks or why do you expect devices there?
[15:34] <Diagon> LUKS.  They've always been there.  We have a new installer now.
[16:34] <Laibsch> Hello everyone, good day.  I am always running LTS, currently on jammy and noticed noble as the new LTS  just came out a few days ago.  I am surprised to see no update available for "sudo do-release-upgrade" nonetheless.  How come?  All my packages are up to date.
[16:35] <leftyfb> Laibsch: 24.04 upgrade from 22.04 won't be available until 24.04.1 is released in Augsust
[16:35] <Laibsch> Oh, is that so.  Is there a reason for that?
[16:36] <leftyfb> stability in the LTS -> LTS upgrade process
[16:36] <Laibsch> I expected the new LTS to be available as soon as the next LTS leaves ubuntu+1 upon being released.
[16:37] <CosmicDJ> Laibsch: read the news, some ppl akready bricked their system by force-upgrading
[16:37] <oerheks> as usual in july/august
[16:37] <oerheks> we do not recommend to use the -d development option, but if you do, prepare an usb with a fresh 24.04 iso first
[16:39] <Laibsch> CosmicDJ: Thanks.  "the news" is a bit broad.
[16:40] <CosmicDJ> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/dont-upgrade-to-ubuntu-24-04-yet
[16:43] <Laibsch> Thanks, I was now perusing the launchpad bug database and found some stuff related to libglib2.0-0.
[16:45] <Laibsch> CosmicDJ: Thanks again.  I am glad I asked and will wait it out.
[16:51] <forensicZip> I just put Ubuntu wallpaper up all around my house, literally on the walls.
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> !ot | forensicZip
[17:06] <golden_ticket> Hey guys. I'm trying to manage some docker containers using kubernetes. I noticed that they fail to start and I suspect it's because kube-scheduler wasn't running. So I installed it via snap and set its kubeconfig file to be a particular file. It complains that there is a permission denied error, but I set it to 777. Can someone help me figure out what might be going on?
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> golden_ticket: snaps run in a sandbox, you have to give the snap permission to read/write to the system (you should never have to set a file permission to 777)
[17:14] <golden_ticket> pragmaticenigma: thank you.
[17:29] <alazy> 23.10. I ran dpkg add-architecture i386 to install steam-installer. Steam works but now apt tries to find i386 repositories for ppa's that are x64 only. I can't dpkg --remove-architecture i386 because it's in use by the database. Is there a way to tell dpkg/apt that I allow an exception for steam's i386 binary and any dependencies, but otherwise stop trying to check every repo for i386 packages?
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> alazy: you're following a very outdated tutorial
[17:41] <pragmaticenigma> alazy: for steam, all you should needed to have done is enable the multiverse repository (if it wasn't already) and then `apt install steam`
[18:42] <Guest80> hello, how do i get the laptop to detect the tv connected to it?
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> Guest80: If it is HDMI, it should auto detect and you'll see the display show up in the settings control panel. If the connection is VGA, you may need to reboot the computer before the external display will show up in the configuration.
[18:44] <Guest80> pragmaticenigma nothing detected, tried that.
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> what is the connection type?
[18:44] <Guest80> displayport
[18:44] <oerheks> some laptops have a hw switch, windows + F6-7-8 or something
[18:45] <Guest80> no switch
[18:45] <oerheks> of fn + ..
[18:45] <oerheks> then plugin, it should be automaticly detect
[18:45] <oerheks> that is how you did it
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> Guest80: are you using a display port to HDMI converter?
[18:45] <Guest80> yeah
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> That only works if the Display port is labelled with the letter D with two plus symbols before it. like showin in the picture: https://www.kensington.com/siteassets/blog/2022/11_november/dp-port-on-kensington-docking-station_1669187051.jpg?width=1200&height=580
[18:47] <Guest80> On windows (i dualboot) it works fine, linux, not currently.
[18:48] <Guest80> pragmaticenigma I do not have that device, just a little converter cable
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> not the device, I said the symbol on the picture
[18:48] <Guest80> pragmaticenigma please explain
[18:49] <oerheks> 'it works under windows'  is no guarantee it works in linux
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks: please stop
[18:49] <bprompt> Guest80: quick caveat, HDMI ports can only "receive" or "send", so whatever cable regardless of how they look, they'd look the same, it can either do only "input" or "output", but as far as I know, they're not duplex
[18:49] <oerheks> it might not be recognized correctly, dp2hdmi
[18:50] <Guest80> Sorry, actuall, it is usb to hdmi
[18:50] <Guest80> I used to have a display port to hdmi, but that stopped working
[18:50] <Guest80> I have both
[18:50] <Guest80> the usb works with windows better
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> USB-C requires displaylink drivers which I have not successfully gotten to work with Linux machines.
[18:51] <bprompt> Guest80: same, they only do either input or output only, you want to watch/record the TV output? or watch your computer desktop on the TV?
[18:51] <Guest80> Usb 2.0
[18:51] <Guest80> It is an older laptop
[18:51] <Guest80> The TV allows for a computer input
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> Guest80: USB-C requires displaylink drivers which I have not successfully gotten to work with Linux machines
[18:51] <Guest80> Like a second monitor
[18:52] <Guest80> USB 2.0, not C
[18:52] <bprompt> Guest80: many do, many even have 3 HDMI ports on the flatscreen panel
[18:52] <Guest80>  My options are display port to hdmi or usb to hdmi
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> Guest80: You need DisplayLink... it's for sending Video over USB... again, I haven't gotten that to work on any linux desktop I have used.
[18:52] <bprompt> Guest80:  you want to watch/record the TV output? or watch your computer desktop on the TV?
[18:53] <Guest80> No, I want to use the tv as a second monitor
[18:53] <bprompt> Guest80: and your machine doesn't have an HDMI port?
[18:53] <bprompt> Guest80: your computer that is
[18:53] <Guest80> no, just displayport
[18:54] <Guest80> for the puter
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> Guest80: you just said you didn't have display port... that you were using a usb-to-hdmi adapter. that is called DisplayLink, not DisplayPort they are two very different things
[18:54] <bprompt> Guest80: hmmm what model is it? just wondering, I mean, HDMI is old by now, even being replaced by USB-c today
[18:55] <Guest80> I think I have an HP G1 laptop
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> Guest80: check and report back... don't guess
[18:55] <bprompt> yeah hmmm
[18:55] <Guest80> HP645G1
[18:56] <Guest80> No HDMI output
[18:56] <Guest80> Displayport and usb
[18:57] <pragmaticenigma> what is the USB adapter you are using?
[18:58] <bprompt> Guest80: according to HP's website, it comes with windows11 Pro, so that can't be too old :|
[19:00] <bprompt> I don't see how it wouldn't have HDMI
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> bprompt: cost savings... they put DisplayPort on it instead. the OP mentioned that the adapter they were using for DisplayPort to HDMI quit working. They are trying to use a USB-to-HDMI adapter instead. The USB adapter uses a protocol called DisplayLink. Which the driver uses a framebuffer to send data over the USB connection to a chip that converts it to HDMI signal
[19:02] <Guest80> hey, i am the hdmi displayport hp craptop guy, firefox had to restart
[19:02] <bprompt> yeap, the site https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04027486 says it has displayport 1.2
[19:02] <oerheks> eDP 1.2 / eDP 1.3+PSR  HP645G1
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> Guest80: the last thing was asked was what is the USB-2-HDMI adapter you are using?
[19:03] <bprompt> Guest80: craptop?  you kidding me? that machine is fairly new :P
[19:03] <Guest80> bprompt no, it is over a decade old
[19:03] <Guest80> or a decade../
[19:04] <Guest80> pragmaticenigma usb to hdmi cable
[19:04] <oerheks> USB 3.0 - Three ,,,
[19:04] <gordonjcp> I wish they'd stop using shitty HDMI and DP sockets, and just use SDI
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> Guest80: To use such cables requires a special driver, one that doesn't work on linux yet. The driver is called DisplayLink
[19:05] <gordonjcp> we have this perfectly good digital video standard that's been in use for decades, but noooooooo, PCs have to use some crappy consumer-grade stuff
[19:06] <Guest80> okay, anything i can buy that will work?
[19:06] <bprompt> Guest80: yeap, as pragmaticenigma said, chances are the usb "dongle" requires specific drivers
[19:06] <gordonjcp> Guest80: what are you trying to connect to what?
[19:06] <Guest80> any adapter thing that is linux friendly?
[19:06] <Guest80> or use WINE?
[19:06] <bprompt> gordonjcp:     -> <Guest80> hello, how do i get the laptop to detect the tv connected to it?
[19:06] <pragmaticenigma> WINE doesn't operate on drivers
[19:07] <Guest80> bah
[19:07] <bprompt> gordonjcp:  in essence, to use the TV as a second monitor
[19:07] <gordonjcp> well
[19:07] <gordonjcp> you'll need to set your PC to the correct refresh rate, if the TV is blank
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> Guest80: my first choice would have been to replace the DisplayPort to HDMI adapter. If you did that and it still didn't work, you're probably looking at a broken port on the laptop. There are no other adapters that natively work on linux as an alternative option
[19:08] <gordonjcp> TVs are crap and generally - unless it's an LG TV or at least LG-manufactured chassis, it will not attempt to work at the wrong resolution
[19:08] <gordonjcp> Guest80: has it ever worked?
[19:08] <Guest80> on windows, it worked. The displaport to hdmi, briefly.
[19:09] <bprompt> gordonjcp: actually, I've seen TVs are cheesy branded ones, working fine :)
[19:09] <Guest80> works on windows, i mean
[19:09] <bprompt> s/are/even/
[19:09] <gordonjcp> bprompt: likely LG guts
[19:09] <gordonjcp> Guest80: displayport to HDMI is generally hassle-free
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> Guest80: That sounds like a broken port on the laptop. not many options unless you know a reputable repair shop that could take a look and see if it just needs to have the port resoldered to the board
[19:10] <gordonjcp> Guest80: can you try a different cable or adaptor, or try it with a different TV or computer?
[19:10] <Guest80> don't have money for new tv and laptop just yet...
[19:11] <Guest80> i can just reboot to windows.
[19:12] <Guest80> yeah, both cables got drivers
[19:12] <Guest80> well, i tried
[19:12] <pragmaticenigma> sorry to disappoint :(
[19:12] <Guest80> i like watching movies from linux
[19:12] <Guest80> no worries
[19:13] <Guest80> thanks for looking into it
[19:13] <Guest80> I wanna save my pennies and buy a system 76
[19:13] <Guest80> : - )
[19:13] <bprompt> Guest80: works in windows still? or just worked for a little while and poof?
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> Guest80: Maybe a more economical option is to get yourself a RapberryPi to run linux on, Install something like LibreELEC and get yourself a little home-theater-linux-pc
[19:13] <Guest80> No, works in windows just fine
[19:13] <Guest80> But I PREFER linux.
[19:13] <Guest80> : - )
[19:14] <Guest80> any excuse NOT to boot into windows
[19:14] <Guest80> is the best
[19:14] <Guest80> pragmaticenigma ahhh, that sounds like a great idea!
[19:14] <Guest80> Which one would yo usuggest?
[19:14] <gordonjcp> I don't understand why you think Windows has anything to do with it
[19:14] <gordonjcp> HDMI-to-DP adaptors do not have drivers
[19:14] <bprompt> Guest80: you got the adapter from amazon I guess?   may we see what brand and model?
[19:14] <Guest80> gordonjcp drivers
[19:15] <gordonjcp> there are no drivers
[19:15] <Guest80> bprompt Canada Computers, a chain we have here
[19:15] <gordonjcp> it's two plugs and a wee gate array to do a bit of timing correction
[19:15] <gordonjcp> there's nothing to it
[19:15] <gordonjcp> there's nothing "smart" about it, particularly
[19:15] <gordonjcp> you do not need a driver
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> we're going in circles at this point
[19:15] <bprompt> Guest80: ok.... they'd have a website I'd think, can we see the model and brand?
[19:15] <Guest80> gordonjcp there are, there is a little executable
[19:16] <gordonjcp> Guest80: for what?
[19:16] <Guest80> When you plug it in, one foe windows one for mac
[19:16] <gordonjcp> for the HDMI adaptor?
[19:16] <gordonjcp> there shouldn't be, there is nothing on it that requires software
[19:16] <gordonjcp> or, there should not be
[19:16] <gordonjcp> if there is, it is defective
[19:16] <bprompt> gordonjcp: some usb hardware include an autorun.inf and some storage, so when plugged into "windows" specifically, it gives the option to install its drivers
[19:17] <Guest80> bprompt Thanks +++
[19:17] <Guest80> But I like the raspberry pi idea
[19:17] <gordonjcp> okay
[19:17] <Guest80> more linux is always better
[19:17] <gordonjcp> but HDMI-to-Displayport adaptors don't need drivers
[19:17] <bprompt> gordonjcp: right, unless something proprietary
[19:18] <Guest80> gordonjcp but it does not work until i double click the exe
[19:18] <gordonjcp> in fact, they don't even *need* electronics
[19:18] <gordonjcp> Guest80: okay, then it's defective, send it back
[19:18] <gordonjcp> Guest80: not fit for purpose
[19:18] <bprompt> hehhe
[19:18] <bprompt> gordonjcp: is not defective, just proprieatry from what I can tell
[19:18] <gordonjcp> bprompt: no, that is defective
[19:19] <Guest80> So I can get a raspberry pi and install ubuntu and watch TV on that?
[19:19] <gordonjcp> there's absolutely no need for it to have any drivers or additional software, and if it doesn't work without that, then it does not meet spec
[19:19] <bprompt> hehehe, it can be, yes, I'm not fond of proprietary when there's an standard
[19:19] <Guest80> one with an hdmi port?
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> there are linux drivers for it... but good luck getting them running. https://www.synaptics.com/products/displaylink-graphics/downloads/ubuntu
[19:19] <gordonjcp> Guest80: yes, although you'll want a fastish newish one
[19:19] <Guest80> I have IP TV and I like to stream some shows
[19:19] <gordonjcp> bprompt: if you're going from DP to HDMI it's easy because all DP interfaces also support HDMI signalling, so you can just do it with a passive adaptor
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> that's assuming it's a displaylink USB-to-HDMI adapter
[19:20] <ash_worksi> am I doing something wrong and it's just my system that has curl ver 7, or is that really the latest in the ubuntu repos?
[19:20] <bprompt> gordonjcp: yeap, agree :)
[19:20] <gordonjcp> well
[19:20] <gordonjcp> I say "all", all sensible DP interfaces
[19:20] <gordonjcp> but like, it's not even something you need to do "magic" for, it's in the Intel firmware on most Intel integrated graphics chipsets
[19:20] <gordonjcp> which tbh is where you're going to see DP
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | ash_worksi
[19:21] <gordonjcp> on cheap crappy "police spec" office computers
[19:21] <bprompt> Guest80: pardon moi, but you know, you can hit amazon for another dongle, and it'd be less than $20US, I've bought stuff like that for around $14US, no drivers needed, even in windows
[19:21] <bprompt> Guest80: $14US from amazon.com that is
[19:22] <Guest80> bprompt I am down! I will pay a little more if it is a good one
[19:22] <Guest80> please send link
[19:22] <bprompt> Guest80: ohh it worked
[19:22] <bprompt> Guest80: what are we looking for?  displayport - > hdmi output?
[19:23] <Guest80> or usb to hdmi
[19:23] <Guest80> my machine has no hdmi output
[19:23] <bprompt> Guest80: have you looked at amazon yet?  I mean, hell I'm certain a quick search right now will flood me with about 50 models quick, I know this because I have been there several times
[19:24] <JanC> ash_worksi: here you can see what version of 'curl' is in what Ubuntu release: https://packages.ubuntu.com/curl
[19:25] <ash_worksi> JanC: thanks
[19:26] <ash_worksi> I guess I should do a dist upgrade to mantic
[19:27] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: why do you need a newer version of curl?
[19:28] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: there's version 8.1.2 snap which is available for all supported released of ubuntu
[19:29] <Guest80> bprompt, please suggest one.
[19:30] <leftyfb> Guest80: feel free to ask for opinions on hardware devices in #hardware
[19:31] <Guest80> oh for goodness sake, we are all linux users here
[19:31] <bprompt> Guest80: yeap, or let's take it to #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[20:02] <bunjee> what does ASUS have against Linux?
[20:02] <oerheks> Yes?
[20:02] <leftyfb> bunjee: lets please stick to ubuntu support questions here
[20:03] <oerheks> how is that related to ubuntu support?
[20:03] <bunjee> An agent at the company told me on the phone their MB's don't support Linux.
[20:04] <leftyfb> bunjee: ok, feel free to continue communicating with their support or chat with other ubuntu users in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:05] <bunjee> leftyfb, I can't ask that question here?
[20:05] <leftyfb> bunjee: this is Ubuntu support, not Asus
[20:06] <oerheks> fwupdate supports asus. so your phonecall is phony
[20:06] <oerheks> https://www.asus.com/ch-en/support/faq/1047906/#II
[20:06] <JanC> that sounds more like an uninformed agent
[20:08] <JanC> their storage hardware comes with linux pre-installed too
[20:09] <bunjee> oerheks, that's what I thought. I'm still learning Linux and like it...just can't figure out why the agent told me that.
[20:09] <leftyfb> bunjee: we can't answer that
[20:10] <bunjee> leftyfb, alright.
[20:11] <oerheks> https://fwupd.org/lvfs/vendors/#asus
[20:11] <oerheks> send him that url
[20:11] <JanC> it's possible some particular hardware isn't supported
[20:12] <oerheks> oh,  Responsible for 1 firmware files, none uploaded recently
[20:15] <ash_worksi> leftyfb: to answer your question, I was in the curl channel asking about why exitcodes were not lining up with errormsgs during parallel requests and they told me "there have been multiple fixes for parallel since then"
[20:16] <ash_worksi> but I might try using snap
[20:16] <ash_worksi> like you suggested
[21:22] <bynarie> does ubuntu 24.04 support persistence file?
[21:22] <bray90820> So when I do "sudo do-Reslese-Upgrade" I get an error saying upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release although I believe I am on the latest supported release
[21:24] <oerheks> bynarie, that is not up to the ubuntu iso, but the tool used to write the usb
[21:24] <oerheks> !usb
[21:26] <oerheks> mkusb can do that
[21:30] <bynarie> oerheks: thank you.. For some reason I cannot get persistence to work.. It used to literally be a simple click of a button.. Now it just doesnt want to work
[22:19] <oerheks> !isitout
[22:58] <Diagon> 24.04 installer: I used to to prepare my disks & with manual partition, /dev/mapper/* would be listed among the disks. No longer. Any solutions?
[22:59] <Diagon> Examples of ppl doing that, eg., here: https://www.tecmint.com/encrypt-disk-installing-ubuntu/
[22:59] <Diagon> I've done this for years.
[22:59] <Diagon> A decade+
[23:02] <tomreyn> Diagon: this bug has been reported before on launchpad. i'll see if i can find it.
[23:02] <Diagon> tomreyn - that would be much appreciated, thank you.
[23:03] <Diagon> tomreyn - also, is there a way around using yaml?  Should I dig into that?
[23:04] <Diagon> * is there a way around /by/ using yaml.
[23:13] <tomreyn> Diagon: hmm, i'm not having much luck, i just forgot what the source package is called, it was something newly introduced, about 'deployment' or similar - in case anyone else remembers
[23:15] <tomreyn> actually, it's bug 2058511
[23:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2058511 in ubuntu-desktop-provision "Disk Setup / Manual installation missing LVM LV as target" [Low, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2058511
[23:17] <tomreyn> Diagon: well, no, that's not a perfect match. but check this package for a suitable bug report
[23:17] <tomreyn> so look through the first 50 or hundred here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-provision/+bugs?orderby=id&start=0
[23:22] <seth_> Does Ubuntu need anything made?
[23:22] <seth_> I'm looking for software to develop.
[23:24] <oerheks> !contribute
[23:48] <Diagon> tomreyn / always appreciate your help.  I've got to run right now, but that's next on the queue.