[00:33] <xu-help52w> hello?
[00:57] <alazy> pragmaticenigma: I just removed steam, all i386 packages and then dropped the i386 arch from dpkg. I add-apt-repository multiverse and apt update. apt install steam tells me it's not available but is referred to, and that steam-installer replaces it. Steam installer depends on steam-libs-i386, which is not installable. ???
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[02:33] <DarkenedGentlema> I'm attempting to do an UEFI ubuntu 22.04 install on a software raid1 array.  I've marked both drives as bootable.  I created md0, and then created a volume group called vg-os on md0p1.  vg-os has a lvm labeled lv-root mounted on /.  The OS boots as expected, and /proc/mdstat shows the array in good health.  The issue comes when I try and boot the server with any one of the two drives missing
[02:33] <DarkenedGentlema> and drops me into the initramfs.  From the looks of it vg-os is not reading as I see a vg-os not found error while booting.  Any idea where i'm going wrong here?
[02:34] <DarkenedGentlema> I should be able to remove any one of the two drives to simulate a drive failure and the OS still boot.
[03:15] <toddc> DarkenedGentlema: did you create a non raid efi partition? on each drive
[03:17] <toddc> I also usueall create a boot partition also and leave the raid for data but as I recall it is not needed
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[06:53] <roadkill> alazy: Steam is done through Snap now. Not Apt.
[07:11] <magga> i have this weird behaviour of my sound output. if i connect my bluetooth speaker (B&W MM-1). Its default Output Device is "Digital Output (S/PDIF) - MM-1, but it doesnt work immedately. i have to manually choose Analog Output in the Sound settings, and then after that the sound comes when i choose DIgital Output aswell :o
[07:14] <arraybolt3> um, the s/pdif bit sounds weird, are you sure that's the right "Digital Output"?
[07:14] <magga> arraybolt3: yeah im sure, cause its working fine
[07:14] <arraybolt3> As I understand it, S/PDIF is a weird physical audio interface most common in things like home theatres.
[07:14] <arraybolt3> Huh, ok, odd.
[07:14] <magga> but i have to choose Analog output first, then digital works
[07:14] <magga> which is a bit annoying
[07:15] <arraybolt3> afraid I can't be of much service then, sorry!
[07:15] <arraybolt3> (I've never run into this kind of issue so I don't know how to fix it)
[07:15] <arraybolt3> someone else ehre might know though
[07:15] <arraybolt3> *here
[07:17] <magga> https://magnus.dahleide.com/output.png
[07:18] <magga> arraybolt3: no worries :) maybe someone know!
[07:19] <magga> atleast the speaker is working, but i just wished i didnt have to choose analog -> digital to get it to work. even when it loads in digital as default i can see that sound bar work, but theres no sound in the actual speakers
[07:39] <alazy> roadkill: My Steam games don't properly work when I install as a snap. Nothing I've installed as a snap works properly. I've concluded snap is a hot mess to avoid for the next few years, at least.
[07:40] <alazy> How can I install steam from apt in ubuntu 23.10? The package 'steam' isn't in multiverse, only steam-installer (and steam-devices) and they complain.
[07:42] <helkaluin> Hello. Anyone online who is knowledgeable in debugging audio problems? Specifically a headset port that works in Windows, but only gives audio out in Linux.
[07:43] <helkaluin> This is a Dell XPS 8940. Kernel logs indicate an ALC 3861.
[08:17] <roadkill> alazy: switching to Proton Experimental fixed a few games that wouldn't launch for me in Snap Steam
[08:49] <ice9> will 24.04 get gnome 46.1 or it's not meant for LTS?
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[09:29] <dob1> hi, I am using Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS  does it has to prompt me for the upgrade to the next LTS ?
[09:30] <dob1> or have I to force it?
[09:31] <Diagon> From past experience, it's not until maybe July that you'll be suggested to upgrade.  They use the time to work out bugs.  And I'm seeing a lot of those, so  you might do well to wait.
[09:32] <dob1> ok nice
[09:32] <dob1> thanks
[09:48] <Logiar> I think a post said August
[09:50] <Logiar> In release notes under "Upgrades" August 15th https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-notes/39890
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[11:45] <jasewolf> Hi does anyone have a contact email for Ubuntu Forums admins? Had my account deleted there as requested but not posts with personal info edited like I'd requested and I'd need to sign up all over again to ask again for that information to be deleted like I'd asked
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[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:53] <DarkenedGentlema> toddc: Yes, both drives have the efi partitions, honestly the issue isn't with the bootloader from what I can tell. If it was, i'd think it would work one direction and not the other but it doesn't matter which drive I pull from the raid1 array, the OS wont boot after.  Grub displays, the boot process starts but then I get dumped into that initramfs shell. Watching the boot process it looks
[12:53] <DarkenedGentlema> like the LVM's are not showing, I see errors about the volume group vg-os not being found.
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[13:58] <p4aooo> hello. I need this info: where are located the files of the package "tk-dev" ob ubuntu 18.04 ?
[14:00] <leftyfb> p4aooo: Ubuntu 18.04 has been End of Life and unsupported for over a year now
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[14:02] <leftyfb> p4aooo: but to answer your question, run:  dpkg -S tk-dev
[14:04] <p4aooo> thanks leftyfb
[14:10] <Windy> is fwupd needed in EC2?  I have a new 24.04 instance and it's using 11% of the memory
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> Windy: that's probably a better question to ask in #ubuntu-server
[14:50] <tryfan> I detailed an issue I ran into regarding GRUB default options here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2497225&p=14187398#post14187398
[14:50] <tryfan> I'll check for a real bug for it
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> tryfan: the new 24.04 installer bugs are gathered here if you want to search existing bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-provision/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[14:53] <tryfan> lotuspsychje: ty, wasn't sure where to look
[14:55] <tryfan> assuming same installer for server.  looks like the install grub boot line is being kept after installation as the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub  I don't see an existing bug, so I'll put one in.
[15:03] <tryfan> ok, bug submitted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-provision/+bug/2064299
[15:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2064299 in ubuntu-desktop-provision "After install, the GRUB default is the same as during installation" [Undecided, New]
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> tryfan: tnx for filing this bug and make ubuntu better!
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> tryfan: is it possible to do an apport-collect 2064299 from the system you are on currently?
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> (if that works on server that is)
[15:06] <tryfan> lotuspsychje: I'll try, it's in a bit of a weird state atm, since I'm trying to get this to work and also messing about with our own cloud-init config
[15:08] <tryfan> it said no additional information collected
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> tryfan: ok no worrys, your system might not be able to
[15:10] <tryfan> lotuspsychje: and after typing in an oauth key manually... haha
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[16:46] <manu`> q
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[16:47] <manu`> 19:45 ***  322 #ubertooth 11 Ubertooth | Ubertooth 2020-12-R1 -- the Christmas release -- https://github.com/greatscottgadgets/ubertooth/releases/tag/2020-12-R1 | libbtbb stable https://github.com/greatscottgadgets/libbtbb/releases/tag/2020-12-R1
[16:47] <manu`> qq
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[17:12] <user1> hey
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[17:53] <webchat53> Hello having an issue burning a Kubuntu 24.04 install iso. It shows an error page with image uses Grub 2.12 but only includes files for Grub 2.06 error. Will burning the ios as is work?
[18:45] <tomreyn> webchat53: i don't understand this part: "It shows an error page with image uses Grub 2.12 but only includes files for Grub 2.06 error." - can you rephrase it? How did you burn the ISO, and what to, and have you considered using a usb stick instead?
[18:49] <webchat53> While trying to burn a Kubuntu live USB using Rufus I had a pop up error page that stated that the iso that stated the iso uses Gzrub 1.12 but includes files for grub 2.06. This is pre install.
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[18:50] <Guest8060> That was th last of my computers over on 24.04
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[18:51] <lotuspsychje> can you make a screenshot of what you see webchat53 ?
[18:56] <tomreyn> webchat53: rufus has so many options that it's easy to get it wrong. have you tried balena etcher instead? or just cp to the raw device?
[18:56] <tomreyn> you'll need to overwrite the full usb stick for sure.
[18:58] <cccccombobreaker> webchat53: in rufus after starting it, press alt+i and it'll go to the dd write mode. then write the iso image
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[19:15] <tomreyn> webchat77: any luck? did you see what cccccombobreaker wrote?
[19:16] <cccccombobreaker> the message is a bit strange as rufus responds with "iso support disabled" but it just means it doesn't try to mangle the iso image
[19:21] <xangua> webchat53: I use Ventoy
[19:22] <xangua> Just drag the iso, forget about everything
[19:23] <ELFrederich> so pyenv.run resolves to 185.199.110.153 and 185.199.111.153 but only the 111 is working, not 110, it's currently timing out.  How can I force curl to use the 111 entry?
[19:26] <ELFrederich> okay... this worked `sudo resolvectl flush-caches` ... but just by luck that it picked up a working one the next time
[19:31] <tomreyn> ELFrederich: curl --resolve HOSTNAMEINURL:PORT:SINGLEIPADDRESS URL    (set PORT to 80 or 443 depending on whether it's http or https)
[19:32] <ELFrederich> tomreyn, nice, thanks.
[19:34] <tomreyn> btw. i'm getting a 200 for all 4 ip4 addresses on https://pyenv.run/ - but this could be a matter of routing or just a transient issue.
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> I'm guessing it's something on the remote end and the hosting provider is working on it
[19:36] <pragmaticenigma> pyenv.run resolves to 4 ip addresses, setup to roundrobin on each query with a low TTL
[19:40] <ELFrederich> this isn't working for me now... ping 185.199.110.153
[19:40] <ELFrederich> tomreyn, it's working for you?  ping 185.199.110.153
[19:41] <tomreyn> ELFrederich: yes, i'm getting responses there
[19:41] <ELFrederich> routing probably then... weird
[19:43] <tomreyn> that's a github's cdn, probably multicast, based on the low TTLs i see from different hosts
[20:01] <GSMarquis> Anyone point me to a howto on making suspend/sleep work
[20:02] <tomreyn> there is no generic solution to it, since it's often firmware / hardware dependant
[20:02] <GSMarquis> i figured but its killing me so I thought to ask
[20:07] <GSMarquis> I guess I need to wait out some linux-firmware pull into repos.
[20:09] <pragmaticenigma> GSMarquis: it's kernel level and general sentiment I see is it's very low priority to fix bugs there. Most people will tell you to use other features such as the ability for your DE to restore your previously running applications on login
[20:09] <pragmaticenigma> Aka, shut the system down when you aren't using it
[20:10] <sarnold> bisect your hardware -- remove pieces, test, and eventually you probably will find a single device that's causing your trouble
[20:10] <sarnold> then decide if you want to replace it with different hardware, remove it, or ask the driver authors to address it
[20:11] <tomreyn> there are common debugging approaches for PM event handling like there are for most anything else. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/power/basic-pm-debugging.html https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> All of my systems take seconds to boot as it is. The only purpose I see for standby/sleep is to waste power when I'm not using the machine. Even my Gen1 Core i5 can boot in about the same amount of time it takes to come back from standby
[20:11] <GSMarquis> yea. i currently set it up to shutdown after 60 mins. On sleep it locks completely and fans spin up. Nothing but a hard reset to recover.
[20:12] <GSMarquis> I will check those links out.
[20:12] <tomreyn> the first thing i'd do is update the bios
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[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> bios updates first, this is the way
[20:13] <GSMarquis> I looked at that also. I am on rev f8 on this MB, there is a f9 and a f10g. I was told the ones with letters are beta.
[20:14] <GSMarquis> https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z790-UD-AC-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios
[20:14] <GSMarquis> look at the f10g description
[20:18] <Niklas_E_> if you had zoneminder-1.37 and removed it and removed the resp. and then added it again but now it will only install.136. is there any was to force it to install 1.37?
[20:19] <sarnold> Niklas_E_: download and built it from source yourself
[20:32] <plujon> My Ubuntu machine has been sporadically remounting one of my NVME drives read-only:
[20:32] <plujon> dmesg contains: nvme nvme1: controller is down; will reset: CSTS=0xffffffff, PCI_STATUS=0x10
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> would start looking for a new drive
[20:33] <plujon> nvme nvme1: Does your device have a faulty power saving mode enabled?
[20:33] <plujon> The thing is, this *is* a replacement drive.
[20:33] <plujon> I.e., I don't think the problem is the drive because the exact same symptom occurred on the drive it is replacing.
[20:34] <sarnold> my *guess* is that your power supply isn't up to the task
[20:34] <sarnold> but maybe there's an easy powersave thing to disable
[20:34] <plujon> Is there some way to troubleshoot that?
[20:34] <plujon> nvme nvme1: Try "nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us=0 pcie_aspm=off" and report a bug
[20:34] <plujon> I did add those kernel parameters to the command line, but they did not fix the problem.
[20:35] <plujon> I may simply buy a new power supply as a "guess", but it is just a guess...
[20:35] <oerheks> or wonky connector, or your nvme gets too hot..
[20:35] <plujon> One other odd symptom that has cropped up in the last few months: my computer frequently (maybe 1/3 of the time) fails to fully shut down.  The monitor turns off, but the fan stays on and the activity lights stay on.  It does nothing when in this state and requires I hard-reset it.
[20:36] <sarnold> plujon: awww crud, that "nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us=0" setting saved me a few years ago
[20:36] <plujon> My nvme is cool to the touch.
[20:36] <oerheks> do a memtest86 run
[20:36] <plujon> The power draw of my system is ~ 50 W.
[20:37] <sarnold> plujon: can you confirm with /proc/cmdline that the setting is there?
[20:37] <plujon> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.5.0-28-generic root=UUID=79c511a2-defb-4788-886d-399fa8f1509f ro nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us=0 pcie_aspm=off libata.noacpi=1 quiet splash
[20:37] <sarnold> cool cool. bummer.
[20:37] <sarnold> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive/NVMe#Troubleshooting has some other tips, but it's all looking a bit dated :(
[20:37] <plujon> Could a bad PSU cause failure to fully shut down?
[20:38] <sarnold> i'm thinking less "bad" and more "insufficient"
[20:38] <plujon> I don't know if the two problems are related, but they started a few months ago -- maybe at a bout the same time that I added a new 8TB HDD to the case.
[20:38] <oerheks> check for a bios update
[20:40] <plujon> My MOBO is https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z370-HD3P-rev-10#kf ; I think I checked for a BIOS update a couple months ago, but I'll have to check my notes...
[20:40] <sarnold> fwupd might make it easy to apply updates
[20:41] <oerheks> oh, that too
[20:41] <plujon> sarnold: It is surprising that you hit a similar problem and needed the same kernel command line....
[20:41] <oerheks> sudo dmidecode -t bios | grep 'Version:'
[20:41] <plujon> Thanks; Version: F14
[20:42] <plujon> Release Date: 11/13/2021
[20:42] <plujon> Hmm
[20:42] <sarnold> plujon: I'd forgotten all about it until you mentioned the max_latency_ns thing, heh
[20:42] <plujon> I kinda wish I could stress test the PSU...
[20:43] <sarnold> stress-ng can probably help there
[20:45] <plujon> https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z370-HD3P-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios shows F14 is the latest.  But ... I wonder if applying that update is what caused the problems in the first place...
[20:46] <plujon> sarnold: Thanks; I'll look into stress-ng
[20:46] <sarnold> plujon: hah, that's possible, I also remember having some problems with gigabyte bios updates not always being linear improvements :(
[20:47] <plujon> The remounting of nvme seems random to me: the computer shows no other signs of problems, and it remounts when just typing in emacs.
[20:47] <sarnold> .. and the worst part, the only place that had any kind of changelogs for them was a german tech shop
[20:48] <plujon> I wonder if I report this to Gigabyte if they'd ... care; it is hard to point the finger at a specific point of failure...
[20:49] <sarnold> yes :(
[20:49] <plujon> The only "clue" I have, besides the dmesg output, is the weird failure-to-shutdown, and I don't well understand what would cause that.
[20:49] <villehardouin> You can't stress test a PSU
[20:51] <plujon> I would imagine if the PSU were going bad, some other component would fail, but that's my imagination.  Maybe for some reason power to this particular port in the MOBO fails first..?
[20:52] <sarnold> villehardouin: untrue. a buddy used stress-ng's malloc test to identify a few dozen computers in his fleet of over a thousand that had performance problems, and eventually identified that the set of computers that were running slower on this microbenchmark than the others had one of their four power supplies failed.
[20:55] <cedar> Hello
[20:56] <plujon> I wonder if I should buy a different brand MOBO next time.  But again, a guess...
[20:56] <bprompt> allo cedar
[20:56] <cedar> What's the best GUI IRC client in the official ubuntu repositories, I am new to IRC
[20:57] <cedar> I'm using Hexchat but I read that it's discontinued
[20:57] <oerheks> supported clients https://libera.chat/guides/sasl
[20:58] <sarnold> quassel is probably closest to hexchat, but if nothing's wrong with hexchat now, you don't really have to do anything
[20:58] <bprompt> cedar: https://hexchat.github.io/news/2.16.2.html    <----
[20:59] <bprompt> cedar: there's a project -> https://github.com/nhexirc/nhex <----- which is a Hexchat clone per se, is almost finished as we speak
[21:00] <villehardouin> Doesn't Element (matrix-based) support IRC?
[21:00] <cedar> Yeah I've read that you can still use ancient IRC clients that haven't been updated in decades because they're still compatible.  But one would assume that it'd be better to use one that is actively maintained.
[21:01] <bprompt> cedar: for IRC?   yes and no, depends on what features you're after
[21:01] <sarnold> villehardouin: the ubuntu matrix homeserver bridge thing isn't online yet, I don't think
[21:01] <cedar> I saw this comic https://xkcd.com/1782/ and was curious what kind of things people would customize, i.e. how to get the most out of an IRC client?
[21:02] <cedar> yes bprompt, what kind of features are people usually after.  I've tried hexchat and pidgin and they both let me join servers like this.  Not sure what kind of features I would want
[21:04] <bprompt> cedar: well, bear in mind that many or most IRC clients are fairly mature, so many features most already do, like emojis, DCC private chat, DCC file sends, multi-server multi-channel sessions
[21:06] <bprompt> cedar: but sarnold said, still works, and that said, there's NHEX which is a Hexchat clone useing websockets and typescript IIRC, and that's brand-new spanking, it just so happen I know a couple of guys doing testing and adding some things, so I know is about finished right now
[21:07] <bprompt> cedar: it runs and works, so  you can install and run NHEX btw
[21:08] <cedar> Is there any way to get notifications from IRC, or do you always have to have your client open and connected to a server to see the messages
[21:08] <cedar> And any messages sent while you were disconnected are inaccessible?
[21:09] <ravage> for IRC you typically use a bouncer (BNC)
[21:09] <ravage> that is always connected
[21:09] <ravage> https://wiki.znc.in/ZNC
[21:09] <sarnold> there's also irclogs.ubuntu.com in case you want to see scrollback in one of these channels
[21:10] <sarnold> but once you leave a channel, most folks will stop talking to you :)
[21:10] <ravage> you can also use our Matrix IRC bridge soon™️
[21:10] <bprompt> cedar: is up to the IRCd server really, some do, most don't, I  used to be at Dalnet and dalnet has a /memoserv which is a server service for "memos" for registered nicks, so I can leave  you a memo, you can pick it up when you log in, now, most servers don't have that, but that's up the server, not the client
[21:11] <ravage> did that TM make it through? sometimes i forget im on IRC already
[21:11] <bprompt> cedar: is about the same as with a phone, can you talk to someone without a signal?  well, no :), you need a carrier
[21:13] <sarnold> ravage: it showed fine in my client, even with my restricted fonts :)
[21:13] <ravage> 🙂
[21:13] <bprompt> cedar: that said, you give folks your email in IRC and they can email you whenever
[21:13] <sarnold> that one's tofu :)
[21:15] <cedar> I want to set up a server for just me and my friends, but looks like you can't just create a channel on any of these public servers; I'd have to set up my own.  So I'm trying to do that with inspircd, is that a popular choice?
[21:15] <ravage> IRC is nice and runs on a calculator these days. but maybe you want to look into something a little more modern?
[21:16] <bprompt> or different
[21:16] <sarnold> you should be able to set up your own channels fine, just dno't do anything to cause trouble
[21:16] <ravage> setting up your own services is always nice of course
[21:16] <cedar> Everyone is using Discord nowadays but especially after their new ToS I find it hard to justify.  Already I refused to install the client and used the webpage
[21:16] <ravage> i only know unrealircd from back in the days
[21:17] <cedar> sarnold I can make my own channel on this server?  how?
[21:17] <ravage> but maybe we should move this to at least #ubuntu-discuss ?
[21:17] <bprompt> cedar: we dunno what you want, maybe is not IRC, you want some communication, you can create a channel of  your own on any network btw, and then make it "private" and "invite only" or restrict like so, and in IRC you can do that in your own channel
[21:18] <sarnold> cedar: /join #cedar-and-friends   or something like that
[21:18] <bprompt> cedar: you can even make a channel "invisible", so only friends knows where to get in
[21:18] <sarnold> cedar: they've got the policy on https://libera.chat/policies/
[21:18] <cedar> Ah so if I join a channel which doesn't exist, it will automatically be created?
[21:18] <ravage> i think as long as you dont use any official prefixes you are fine
[21:18] <ravage> yes
[21:18] <bprompt> cedar: yeap
[21:19] <bprompt> cedar: and as the OP of the new channel, you can set the rules, private, invite only, invisible and so on
[21:19] <delsol_laptop> Yep
[21:19] <cedar> Interesting
[21:19] <cedar> But I'd need to register my name with NickServ or something?
[21:20] <ravage> that is a good idea in general
[21:20] <bprompt> cedar: the guys a #libera can cover all that
[21:20] <delsol_laptop> So if you want a channel called "##cedarsprivatechat"    just /join ##cedarsprivatechat
[21:20] <ravage> but the website also has all the basic commands
[21:21] <ravage> https://libera.chat/guides/basics
[21:22] <cedar> Ok thanks a lot that website looks like it will have everything I need
[21:23] <cedar> Are y'all typing "cedar: " in every message or is that a command as well?
[21:23] <delsol_laptop> I think most people are typing "ce<tab>"
[21:24] <delsol_laptop> first two or three letters, followed by tab, gets you the persons full /nick
[21:26]  * delsol_laptop is shocked no one in the channel came to ##cedarsprivatechatn to discuss "Private stuff Cedar wants to talk about, and stuff!"
[21:26] <delsol_laptop> Ok, not really all that shocked
[21:26] <cedar> bprompt, yeah maybe it's not IRC, but it seems like it is.  I'm looking for text chat that isn't closed source like Discord or Skype for instance.  Nor all controlled by a single company like Slack.  IRC seems to fit the bill.  I use Mumble for voice.
[21:27] <ravage> i can highly recommend Matrix. But that may be subjective 🙂
[21:28] <ravage> https://ubuntu.com/community/communications/matrix/onboarding
[21:28] <ravage> see you there if interested 🙂
[21:28] <vayki> hello everyone :)
[21:30] <cedar> A nice thing about Discord, Skype, Slack etc. is I can send announcements out and people will see them whenever they log in next.  Doesn't look like that's possible with IRC without some addons
[21:31] <bprompt> cedar: or email
[21:32] <syphyr> what is going to replace hexchat since the project was archived?
[21:32] <cedar> Yeah email is great unless I want to send out a file that is larger than 25mb.  Then I have to host it somewhere
[21:33] <bprompt> syphyr:  https://github.com/nhexirc/nhex maybe =)
[21:33] <oerheks> choose the one you like best
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[21:33] <syphyr> tnx bprompt
[21:35] <bprompt> cedar: discord and skype and slack, keep the message, because there's a server holding it, I mean, if you run the IRCd, and someone sends something, that means your IRCd server must be running, otherwise, the same will occur, no message
[21:36] <Tingo>  bprompt: strange nhex is available for AARCH64 on MAC and Doesnt have AMD64 on MAC...
[21:37] <cedar> bprompt, Right, but if I turn off my computer, whenever I turn it back on I can see the messages sent while my PC was off.  Not so with IRC, even though the server is holding the messages
[21:37] <syphyr> ahh too bad nhex is node.js and rust
[21:38] <bprompt> cedar: you can see the messages in skype or discord because your PC is off, but their server is UP
[21:38] <bprompt> cedar: if your run the IRCd and turn the PC off, then you can forget about reading any messages once back up
[21:39] <bprompt> cedar: or if  you run any server, is the server is down, messages won't  make it
[21:40] <cedar> bprompt, When I say PC I'm just talking about my client, not the server.  For instance, this server is always up, but if I disconnect, I can't see what was sent while I was disconnected
[21:41] <bprompt> cedar: well, like I said, I know Dalnet has or had a /memoserv service, you can leave memos, I know, I picked up a few and left some myself, and that's IRC
[21:43] <Tingo> btw.. The Servers of (irc.libera.chat or chat.freenode.net) are also UP but it dont have that kind of extra feature for saving messages in offline mode, by the way IRC Protocol is different then Skype Protocol .. :)
[21:45] <bprompt> Tingo: well, some networks do have a "memoserv" service, Libera chat doesn't, is all
[21:45] <bprompt> most IRC networks from what I've seen don't, but is addable
[21:45] <Tingo> IRC (Internet Relay Chat) is a protocol for real-time text messaging between internet-connected computers created in 1988. :) ... if Nick is not online.. message get discard at that time ..
[21:47] <bprompt> Tingo: originally, yeap, that has been the protocol, but things have been added
[21:47] <ravage> Memoserv is not part of the protocol 
[21:47] <ravage> It's an added service 
[21:47] <bprompt> right, well, kinda what I meant IRCd wise
[21:48] <Tingo> yea, if some one try to code IRC Client with their own IRC Server with Extra Features for saving Offline messages.. then its possible..
[21:50] <kostkon> Tingo, there's irccloud for that
[21:50] <Tingo>  MemoServ is addon, /msg MemoServ SEND {nick | channel} memo-text Sends the named nick or channel a memo containing memo-text
[21:51] <sarnold> i wonder if ircv3 introduced that? someone's beentrying to add more modernish features
[21:53] <ravage> The real problem with that is that it requires accounts
[21:53] <ravage> Or anyone with the same nick gets your messages
[21:53] <bprompt> ravage: well, so do emails
[21:53] <ravage> Yes that's correct 
[21:54] <ravage> But don't know how that is relevant 
[21:54] <ravage> IRC does not have them. Nickserv is not part of the protocol 
[21:55] <ravage> It's just an external service
[21:55] <Tingo> hmm.. irccloud.com interesting.. even though they host private servers for teams, with enhanced features like reply threading, message editing, reactions and typing indicators.
[21:55] <bprompt> ravage: you'd want to have an authenticed destination, otherwise as you said, everyone can read it, that's just a BBS
[21:55] <bprompt> authenticated even
[22:00] <Tingo> btw here IRC Community is strong related to IT or Developers, if any MS Graduate Pick this Topic as a Thesis for his Project for Extending IRCd Feature and Develop IRC client for Offline messages, then it will be great.. its also an opensouce.. :)
[22:06] <JanC> "offline messages" is called e-mail
[22:07] <bprompt> right
[22:11] <Tingo> Yea, Kind of .. Emails and Offline Messages save in TXT File regarding that designated Account.. so whenever person gets online again then it Load that File for showing that Data..
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[23:29] <eelstrebor> i tried to do a do-release-upgrade to upgrade 22.04.04 LTS to 24.04 LTS but got "There is no development version of an LTS available."
[23:30] <sarnold> the last I heard the upgrades were being held back due to some bugs
[23:31] <Unit193> !ltsupgrade
[23:31] <ubottu> Regular upgrades from the last but one LTS release to the latest LTS release, 24.04 "Noble Numbat", are enabled days or weeks after 24.04.1 is released. This delay helps to ensure that any lingering issues are resolved before people upgrade production systems. If you'd prefer to upgrade now, use sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:33] <eelstrebor> thanks
[23:43] <eze> ars?
[23:43] <eze> holis
[23:44] <eze> */*-/
[23:44] <sarnold> ?
[23:44] <arraybolt3> !
[23:51] <alazy> I need to install an i386 package on a x64 system using apt. I'm able to do so by adding the i386 architecture, but apt updates then tries to find i386 versions of package lists for _all_ repos, even when those don't exist, which generates messy warning messages. What's the best way to tell apt to allow installing _specific_ packages without checking for i386 packages all the time?
[23:53] <sarnold> add [ arch=amd64 ] lines to your failing 'deb' lines kinda like this https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/272916/7064
[23:54] <gordon_> my computer wont stop rebooting
[23:55] <gordon_> halp
[23:55] <arraybolt3> gordon_: how far does it get into the boot process before suddenly rebooting again?
[23:56] <sarnold> uhoh this one might be a challenge