[00:36] <webchat76> Hi, I am new to reporting bugs and trying my best to figure it out
[00:38] <webchat76> I just installed the new Ubuntu 24.04 and it is using over 10 GB of memory after just leaving the pc on and using basic chrome web browser, it is hogging up so much ram its crazy. It still it eating up over 10GB of ram after closing allapplications
[00:39] <webchat76> I dont know how to make a bug ticket for this and hoping you guys can report this for me
[00:39] <webchat76> I have done 2 fresh installs after running into this and still having the same issue
[00:40] <ravage> Maybe start at https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[00:40] <webchat76> Is anyone else running into this issue?
[00:40] <ravage> And if the ram is really gone give some details
[00:41] <Tingo> webchat76: first need to find out where RAM/CPU is going $ sudo apt install htop ; htop
[00:41] <webchat76> Currently no swap is being used
[00:41] <webchat76> kk one sec
[00:41] <webchat76> i have 16 GB of ram
[00:41] <sarnold> unused memory is wasted memory
[00:42] <webchat76> too much memory used slows down system
[00:42] <webchat76> way down
[00:42] <webchat76> I have HTOP up and running
[00:43] <webchat76> Tingo
[00:43] <sarnold> it's the other way around; all the data that's cached means opening up programs again will go *faster*
[00:43] <webchat76> but everything else thats not cached suffers
[00:46] <webchat76> I have 10.4 GB of ram being eaten about 20 min after starting up 24.04 and using chrome for a few min then closing it
[00:46] <Tingo> webchat76: which process is ccurrenly eating more CPU or RAM on htop .. is the CPU/MEM is currently busy how much % showing ?
[00:46] <webchat76> one sec
[00:47] <webchat76> RAM
[00:48] <Tingo> mouse click on MEM% on htop.. it will show which Process is eating the top most memory..
[00:49] <webchat76> kk one sec
[00:50] <Tingo> probably .. /usr/bin/gnome-shell eat more RAM if you have Gnome GUI..
[00:50] <webchat76> Teams for linux
[00:50] <webchat76> but its only using 2.7%
[00:50] <webchat76> its a clean install just now
[00:50] <webchat76> highest mem usage is 2.7% in HTOP
[00:51] <webchat76> but the main System monitor is showing 10.4GB of ram being eatin
[00:51] <sarnold> the downside to htop's memory use indicators is that it doesn't really take into account sharing
[00:51] <sarnold> smem is better at indicating how much each application is contributing to memory use
[00:52] <webchat76> but i cant find any process that is eating up that much memory
[00:52] <sarnold> most of it will be used to cache data from your filesystem
[00:53] <webchat76> literally i can just turn on my pc from a fresh install and the memory will just keep going up
[00:53] <webchat76> never had this issue with 22.04
[00:53] <Tingo> hmm.. yea its a fresh install so doing cache..
[00:53] <webchat76> Im using a MSI laptop that is about 1 year old
[00:53] <oerheks> teams .. if you want to stop eating mem, see https://askubuntu.com/a/1376372
[00:54] <oerheks> it is just video that is stored
[00:56] <Tingo> hmmm.. snap is updating itself ? $ sudo df -Th
[00:56] <webchat76> one sec
[00:58] <webchat76> nope
[00:59] <webchat76> ive never seen this before
[00:59] <webchat76> been using linux since bionic beaver
[01:00] <oerheks> that 10.4gb means you can playback, no?
[01:00] <webchat76> ???
[01:01] <webchat76> Hey im going to reset real quick and not run teams, I will log back in as leoaimeiii
[01:01] <sarnold> there's nothing really wrong here, this is just the way it works
[01:02] <webchat76> so Ubuntu 24.04 is now using more memory than the past?
[01:02] <webchat76> this doesnt happen on 22.04
[01:02] <Tingo> so, out of 16GB .. 10GB is currently in use.. now question arise that for how long..? it should come down... it should not eat 10GB with out any further load..
[01:02] <webchat76> i have 65% of ram in use
[01:02] <webchat76> it never comes down
[01:03] <oerheks> oh dear
[01:03] <webchat76> even after killing all applications
[01:03] <webchat76> 24.04 is bugged bad
[01:03] <Tingo> Ubuntu 24.04 Requiremnt is min 4GB RAM..
[01:03] <webchat76> I have 16
[01:04] <webchat76> Even after killing all applications and not running anything I will still have 65% of ram being used , 10.4GB out of 16GB of ram
[01:04] <webchat76> Thats why im wanting to report this as a bug
[01:05] <Tingo> yea.. htop is showing any kind of busy under CPU% ?
[01:05] <webchat76> on a clean install
[01:05] <webchat76> 0
[01:05] <webchat76> absolutely zero
[01:06] <webchat76> i only have about 2% of CPU being used
[01:06] <webchat76> just basic chrome and webchat here
[01:06] <Tingo> $ free -mh
[01:07] <webchat76> kk one sec
[01:07] <webchat76>  total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[01:07] <webchat76> Mem:            15Gi       9.3Gi       2.8Gi        68Mi       3.3Gi       5.7Gi
[01:07] <webchat76> Swap:          4.0Gi          0B       4.0Gi
[01:09] <Tingo> buff/cache is only .. 68MB
[01:10] <webchat76> yup
[01:10] <webchat76> correct
[01:10] <leftyfb> incorrect
[01:10] <leftyfb> 3.3G
[01:10] <webchat76> oh
[01:10] <webchat76> yes
[01:10] <webchat76> sorry
[01:10] <oerheks> updates pending?
[01:11] <webchat76> all updatescomplete
[01:11] <Tingo> $ sudo apt update
[01:11] <webchat76> kk
[01:11] <webchat76> one sec
[01:11] <leftyfb> what does htop show as taking up memory when you sort by memory(F6 - PERCENT_MEM)?
[01:12] <webchat76> all packages up to date
[01:12] <Tingo> yea ..shared is 68MB and buff/cache 3.3GB..
[01:13] <leftyfb> which is fine
[01:13] <webchat76> highest app taking up memory is teams for linux
[01:13] <webchat76> 2.1%
[01:13] <leftyfb> kill it
[01:15] <Tingo> what the Full path of of teams under Commands Tab ?
[01:15] <leftyfb> they left
[01:16] <Tingo> ohh yes.. btw strange issue..
[01:16] <Tingo> Ubuntu 22.04 with Gnome GUI runs perfect even on 2GB RAM..
[01:17] <leftyfb> I wouldn't say perfect. But 16G should be enough. My last laptop was running 16GB
[01:17] <webchat76> I just reset my pc
[01:17] <leftyfb> kill teams
[01:18] <leftyfb> webchat76: do you have team running on startup?
[01:18] <webchat76> I have not opened up any program other than Chrome
[01:18] <webchat76> no
[01:18] <webchat76> I will just let my pc rest for a bit and watch it
[01:18] <leftyfb> ok, run htop and sort by memmory. How much memory is being used and is teams running after your reboot?
[01:18] <webchat76> My ram usage is back to 1.5GB
[01:19] <webchat76> kk
[01:19] <leftyfb> ok, then all is well
[01:19] <leftyfb> it sounds like team was a hog
[01:19] <leftyfb> which sounds about right for what it is
[01:19] <webchat76> teams is not running
[01:19] <Tingo> hmm.. yea.. btw what is teams ?
[01:19] <webchat76> and highest ram usage is GNOME
[01:19] <leftyfb> it was before your reboot when 9.3G was being used
[01:19] <webchat76> yes
[01:20] <webchat76> currently 1.47GB
[01:20] <Tingo> under commands find out itss full Path of teams.. which Application is it..
[01:20] <webchat76> kk
[01:20] <Tingo> yea, now its normal..
[01:20] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure he knows what teams is
[01:21] <webchat76> everything is fine right now
[01:21] <webchat76> just going to keep eye on it without ever opening teams
[01:22] <webchat76> to see if that is the culprit
[01:22] <Tingo> btw.. microsoft Teams also use lot of RAM/CPU but on Windows .. :)
[01:25] <webchat76> :)
[01:27] <xFCFFDFFFFEFFFAF> use 1 file align and all be ok
[01:27] <Tingo> btw.. if you installed any thing from snap then first also do $ sudo snap refresh
[01:29] <webchat76> i just did
[01:29] <Tingo> ok
[01:30] <webchat76> teams may be the culprit
[01:30] <webchat76> i will be back in a bit
[01:30] <webchat76> going to keep an eye on things
[01:30] <webchat76> and use the web version of teams
[01:30] <Tingo> yea.. MS Teams for Linux is discontinued..
[01:31] <webchat76> there is an available version by an individual contributer
[01:31] <lotuspsychje> Tingo: theres a team for linux snap on ubuntu
[01:32] <Tingo> yea.. $ sudo snap install teams
[01:32] <leftyfb> it's probably just an electron app (web page in a separate window)
[01:33] <Tingo> hmm.. btw.. $ sudo snap install teams is currently showing NOT FOUND on Ubuntu 22.04
[01:33] <lotuspsychje> Tingo: snap find teams
[01:34] <leftyfb> I wouldn't recommend it regardless
[01:34] <lotuspsychje> some snaps can be flaky indeed
[01:34] <leftyfb> it has nothing to do with it being a snap
[01:35] <leftyfb> it's more than likely just a front-end to the website. There's no point in running it
[01:35] <lotuspsychje> right
[01:37] <Tingo> nop.. find teams is not showing any MS Teams..else other Apps
[01:38] <leftyfb> the snap is called teams-for-linux
[01:39] <Tingo> yea.. snap find teams-for-linux .. is showing
[01:39] <lotuspsychje> yep
[01:40] <Tingo> last time i remembered kind a long time ago.. it was snap install teams
[01:40] <Tingo> any how.. leaving.. See Yaa !!
[03:33] <alazy> I need to install an i386 package on a x64 system using apt. I'm able to do so by adding the i386 architecture, but apt updates then tries to find i386 versions of package lists for _all_ repos, even when those don't exist, which generates messy warning messages. What's the best way to tell apt to allow installing _specific_ packages without checking for i386 packages all the time?
[03:35] <rbox> i think you can set arch=amd64 in your repo config
[03:35] <rbox> foir the ones missing i386
[04:32] <mozambique> ct
[05:23] <vai> hello
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> welcome vai
[07:33] <Zaite450> Hello,  I upgraded my home NAS from 23.10 -> 24.04. It now fails to boot on a restart (it will successfully boot from a hard/cold shutdown state). It freezes during the boot process with red error "Timed out for waiting the udev queue being empty." followed by "Scanning for Btrfs filesystems", followed by a kernel panic after about 2 minutes of
[07:33] <Zaite450> waiting. The only way to get the system to boot now is to pull the power for 30 seconds ish, and do a cold boot. Running the latest AMI BIOS from about 1 month ago. Kind of stuck! Any ideas appreciated
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: wich kernel version is failing there?
[07:36] <Zaite450> I have tried config-6.8.0-22-generic and now running config-6.8.0-31-generic
[07:36] <Zaite450> Sorry, not config- just copied those from /boot :-) but you get the idea :)
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: you still got older kernel versions to try in your list?
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> like a 6.5
[07:37] <Zaite450> Those are the only two
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> ouch ok
[07:38] <Zaite450> I can install 6.5 from the kernel-ppa archive perhaps?
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: lets try something else first, goto grub recoverymode + networking and drop to a rootshell
[07:39] <Zaite450> Sure, one moment
[07:41] <Zaite450> Tried booting recovery but I can't get there because it freezes during the rebooted process
[07:41] <Zaite450> I can try from the cold/hard state?
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> recoverymode is a preboot proces
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> maybe its hardware related?
[07:42] <Zaite450> I suspect it is hardware of some sort yes, although it has been fine up until 24.04
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> thats pretty weird
[07:42] <Zaite450> Yeah :)
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> if we cant get into recoverymode, we cant install another kernel neither
[07:43] <Zaite450> I can always revert to 22.04 LTS if I can't find a solution in the coming months, as I don't reboot very often I can live with the whole power off/on routine for now
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> did you have issues before with kernel 6.8 Zaite450 ?
[07:44] <Zaite450> Issues started straight after upgrading to 24.04 on the first reboot the system never came back up, so I plugged in a monitor to discover this problem
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> ok
[07:44] <Zaite450> I should be able to install 6.5 from the ppa
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> lets assume its kernel 6.8 not liking something and get stuck early
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> if you cant get in your system, you can install right
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> cant
[07:45] <Zaite450> I can boot the system if I pull the power and do a cold/hard boot
[07:45] <Zaite450> i.e not a reboot
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> oh
[07:45] <Zaite450> Which is why it's even weirder :)
[07:46] <Zaite450> This only affects reboots
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> i heared things like that before
[07:46] <Zaite450> Fast Boot / Secure Boot / etc, all disabled in the BIOS
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: ok, try to get in your system so we can access a terminal
[07:47] <Zaite450> Will do, just pulled the power for a bit, hopefully it will boot in a sec
[07:47] <Zaite450> Yep booted fine now
[07:48] <basmati> hello
[07:50] <ice9> when gnome 46.1 will be released?
[07:52] <ravage> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/gnome-46-1-released/20658
[07:53] <ice9> ravage, I mean in Ubuntu repo
[07:57] <ravage> Probably 24.10. depends on what the current release is at that time 
[08:28] <Zaite450> lotuspsychje:I compiled 6.8.8 manually using localmodconfig and it reboots successfully. Something to do with the inbuilt kernel it seems
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: what you could try is installing one of the 6.8 oem kernels
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: apt-cache search linux-image oem
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> and do a few tests booting those
[08:29] <Zaite450> Sure, can try linux-image-6.8.0-1005-oem ?
[08:30] <Zaite450> I'll try linux-image-oem-24.04
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> its just for testing anyway
[08:31] <Zaite450> Yea
[08:31] <Zaite450> No joy with that one
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> maybe linux-image-6.8.0-1005-oem
[08:32] <Zaite450> Trying that one now
[08:33] <Zaite450> Oh okay that was linux-image-6.8.0-1005-oem
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> last shot linux-image-oem-24.04a
[08:37] <Zaite450> Hmm, that doesn't appear to install a kernel
[08:38] <Zaite450> linux-image-oem-24.04a amd64 6.8.0-1005.5 [2,286 B]
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ok maybe its too early
[08:38] <Zaite450> It was pretty small, not quite sure what that was :)
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: file a bug against your 6.8 stock kernel
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> and describe it works fine on 6.8.8
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-bug linux
[08:39] <Zaite450> Will do, Launchpad?
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> from terminal please
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> so apport can collect your logs & sysinfo
[08:39] <Zaite450> Ah okay, will do, thanks very much for all your help
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[08:50] <Zaite450> Potential fly in the ointment is that I can only generate the report if I do a successful cold boot, in the reboot/failed state I can't access the system terminal ?
[08:51] <Zaite450> i.e. it's generating a report of a successfully booted system with no apparent issues
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> did you get a bug ID Zaite450 ?
[09:03] <Zaite450> Ah, okay, so go ahead and file the report, grab the ID and then update the case with more info?
[09:04] <Zaite450> I didn't actually file yet because of that
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: yeah just fill in a title+description then your bug will be filed
[09:05] <Zaite450> Gotcha, thanks
[09:21] <GSMarquis> So Intel IOAPIC is incompatible with suspend/sleep modes.
[09:23] <GSMarquis> Disabling that controller has made suspend work on 24.04 on a new z790 box for me. I spent days trying to solve this.
[10:16] <ice9> when gnome 46.1 will be available in the Ubuntu repo?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:58] <|N3on21|> hello - im having some issuses when trying to steam audio and video from my pc. No matter if its audio on Spotify or video on youtube the same thing happens. Video and audio plays for 1 - 2 sec and then it cut out the audio for 4 sec and then returning again.
[16:15] <Yogaum> hello
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome Yogaum
[16:51] <floogy> Hi, I receive on `cp -av image.vhd image_copy.vhd` this error message: Numerical result out of range
[16:53] <cbreak_> floogy: does it work without -a?
[16:56] <tomreyn> floogy: what's thhe *full* error message?
[16:56] <floogy> No. It's a corrupt vhd file from a virtual box Windows ME install that disdn't shut down correctly. virtua box shows a red circle with an exlamation mark and doesn't start up the vm at al due to that faulty vhd. My guess is, that maybe the wd 8TiB external storage got an fs issue and therefore the file isnt completely accessible. But tha's only a guess.
[16:56] <floogy> It is.
[16:58] <leftyfb> floogy: look for IO/ATA errors by running "dmesg". More than likely there's a filesystem issue on the drive
[17:05] <cbreak_> sounds plausible. What filesystem do you use?
[17:05] <cbreak_> maybe it has some form of fsck program
[17:06] <floogy> leftyfb, yes, I think I'll try to check that. NTFS
[17:07] <cbreak_> ntfs from linux :(
[17:07] <leftyfb> floogy: wait, you're storing the vhd files for Virtualbox installed on Ubuntu on NTFS?
[17:08] <floogy> yes. No issue until yet.
[17:08] <ravage> that should count as a medical condition
[17:09] <ioria> floogy, how did you mount the fs ?
[17:09] <floogy> It's not a NAS, therefore it seemed to be a decent decision on a dual boot system.
[17:22] <floogy> SMART Status is okay, no reallocation sector count, no errors logged. I think it's mounted by nautilus because it's fuse based. /dev/sde1 on /media/gerhard/My Book1 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
[17:24] <floogy> ~$ lsmod | grep ntfs
[17:24] <floogy> ntfs3                 274432  0
[17:24] <ioria> floogy, i suggest you umount it and remount manually e.g. mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw /dev /mountpoint
[17:25] <ioria> floogy, with your uid/gid maybe
[17:25] <floogy> ~$ mount | grep Book gives the same line as blkid
[17:41] <tomreyn> floogy_: run chkdsk.exe on it
[17:48] <floogy_> I'll reboot into Windows 10 to issue a chkdsk on it. and also to try the copy from that OS. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/nf58HqG42s/
[17:49] <floogy_> There are also tools to may salvage the vhd file.
[17:50] <floogy_> I wanted to try that on the copy.
[17:52] <floogy_> afk
[18:35] <ed_> hello - just done the 24.04 and my laptop seemed dead in the water after a boot. i reboot and it i just get a blank screen. i've narrowed it down to the 'splash', if i set the boot to just quiet i get a login screen. i'm not sure how to debug this as it's hardware related, any ideas?
[18:36] <ed_> i mean, hw in the sense that i don't know how to attach a debug... oh wait, if i had a serial port i could still get to it#
[18:37] <bprompt> hmmm
[18:38] <ed_> its dead weird, ctrl-alt-fN can't get me a vesa getty
[18:39] <bprompt> ed_: I'm thinking video driver issues, or possibly ACPM drivers
[18:39] <ed_> well, could be, but if i don't have splash it's ok, which must be the same drive?
[18:39] <ed_> *driver
[18:40] <bprompt> ed_: I was thinking -> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132   <--- and you can try those switches/options are Grub menu, simply edit the boot line for the menu entry manually to see if it works
[18:40] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[18:41] <ed_> well the "black screen" is definitely what i get... with just a tiny bit of backlight
[18:42] <bprompt> ed_: if it works, at least for now, you can make it permanent by editing /boot/grub/grub.conf file
[18:42] <ed_> well- i took splash out permanently so it works, but lets see
[18:42] <bprompt> ed_: right, try as oerheks said, or the switches at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 , is either video or acpm/acpi driver
[18:44] <ed_> bprompt: no, it's not nomodeset
[18:44] <ed_> i took 'splash' out and boots normally again
[18:45] <ed_> with or without nomodeset... good thing it boots quickly :)
[18:45] <bprompt> ed_: well, give it a shot, you can just edit the Grub entry manually and do a Ctrl-E to boot with the edited line
[18:45] <ed_> no ... i just did
[18:45] <oerheks> tell us what videocard?
[18:46] <ed_> radeon
[18:46] <ed_> ... i thought lspci gave me more info than that
[18:46] <bprompt> ed_: or see if  you can get "dmesg" pasted at a pastebin
[18:46] <ed_> AMD Ryzen 7 7730U with Radeon Graphics
[18:46] <bprompt> ed_: you can try "lsusb" or "lshw -C video"
[18:47] <ed_> AMD Ryzen 7 7730U with Radeon Graphics (family: 0x19, model: 0x50, stepping: 0x0)
[18:48] <ed_> lshw tells me EFI VGA, i didn't expect to see crossover from EFI
[18:49] <ed_> i wonder if setting the vesa mode (like in the old days) changes anything
[18:52] <ed_> no... that did nothing
[18:52] <bprompt> ed_: hmmm AMD usually has a video driver for their models for *nix, hmmm I have an AMD myself, and tried it once, made not much difference in my case, so I toss it, but it installed
[18:53] <bprompt> ed_: tried doing the acpi=off yet?
[18:53] <ed_> ah no didn't try that - sorry, fixated on video
[18:54] <younder> Just installed the 24.04 desktop. The Ubuntu cuda works well, but the install from the nvidia bombs with a missing .so. Apparently it wants 5 and the new has version 6.
[18:55] <oerheks> ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers gives mesa 24.2~git2405010600.841394~oibaf~n
[18:55] <younder> Also snap version of docker doesn't play well with the nvidia graphics pass through code. Had to remove it and install docker the old way.
[18:56] <ed_> bprompt: same result with acpi=off
[18:56] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers?field.series_filter=noble
[18:57] <younder> Also nvidia-composer needs a bunch of libraries. Luckily the error message is helpful. If you follow the link and install the listed packages it all starts to work.
[18:58] <younder> As expected NVIDIA support lags behind again. Still all fixable problems.
[18:59] <oerheks> amd, not nvidia
[19:00] <oerheks> for nvidia one could try the driver ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[19:00] <younder> And yes nvidia does what nvidia does. Not a ubuntu issue.. But still some people might like to know.
[19:00] <ed_> so neither setting nomodeset, acpi=off or vga=0x31B changes anything
[19:03] <ed_> i'm going to play with some other things - i should open a ticket i think
[19:04] <ed_> if you have any ideas first, please /msg me as i'm going AFK for the night, so any ideas for bisecting it first and i'll give that a go
[19:06] <bprompt> ed_: installing the amdgpu drivers from amd is what I can think of
[19:07] <oerheks> that would be amdgpu-pro
[19:07] <oerheks> see that oibaf ppa
[19:07] <oerheks> without pro it should work too
[19:11] <younder> For nvidia just go to add-additional-drivers and select the first from the menu. For cuda you get version 12.0 from apt where from the nvidia cite it offers 12.2. Stick with 12.0 for now.
[20:12] <GSMarquis> tomreyn around?
[20:15] <Niklas_E_> I added a repo for zoneminder-master, i tried zoneminder-1.36 before. I removed zoneminder, removed the repo -1.36 amd added the repo -master and it just want to install zoneminder-1.36. is there anyway make it install 1.37 instead?
[20:16] <leftyfb> Niklas_E_: you'll need to seek support with Zoneminder by going to https://zoneminder.com/contact/
[20:18] <sarnold> Niklas_E_: compile it from scratch, maybe?
[20:19] <Niklas_E_> is there any way to clear all the downloaded files so apt have to download new?
[20:19] <leftyfb> Niklas_E_: sudo apt clean
[20:20] <leftyfb> Niklas_E_: that won't change what version gets installed
[20:20] <toddc> Niklas_E_: I run zoneminder on ubuntu and 1.37 had issues but let me check curent version  seversl min to remote to it
[20:20] <sarnold> these are the versions available in ubuntu https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zoneminder
[20:20] <sarnold> note no 1.37 versions packaged
[20:21] <sarnold> so if you want 1.37 you get to either run one from someone else or compile it yourself
[20:23] <Niklas_E_> it says on taht site 1.36.33 and mine want to install 1.36.12
[20:23] <toddc> Niklas_E_: I use iconner ppa on launchpad but ppa are not ideal but I am at 1.37.6 stable---but mine I built a very long time ago
[21:44] <younder> Steam games seem completely broken. Some vulkan driver issue that prevents it form creating swap chains and changing display mode. The steam program works, but I can't start any games.
[21:46] <admin2> Hello
[21:47] <floogy> chkdsk truncated the file to 0byte. There seems to be no defective sector, though. I think virtual box or the guest Windows ME did some bad things to the NTFS filesystem on crashing while shutdown ME. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rYqs2YBv7c/
[21:47] <oerheks> windows me honeypot?
[21:47] <floogy> Unfortunately I didn't find a fragment file0001.chk or the like.
[21:48] <floogy> no, some retro activity with virtual box ;)
[21:50] <floogy> But it wa a relatively fresh install. So i didn't lost anything ćrucial.
[21:51] <sarnold> I can't imagine that microsoft would use dd:hh:mm in that ETA field -- it seems very unlikely to me that microsoft would strongly try to keep the program's execution time to hours on the usual system in the 90s, and while your drive is probably way larger today, it's also probably got far faster random access time, way better throughput, and the cpu and memory to match
[21:51] <C3_Rebooted> Hello All
[21:52] <sarnold> hello C3_Rebooted
[21:52] <LuckyMan> hi
[21:52] <floogy> I was interested in how to salvage a corrupted vdh file, but I couldn't copy it under ubuntu. And also under Windows i received "ReadFile(Die Datei oder das Verzeichnis ist beschädigt und nicht lesbar.1392)" (ReadFile(The file or directory is corrupted and unreadable.1392))
[21:54] <sarnold> hi LuckyMan
[21:54] <sarnold> floogy: check dmesg? maybe there's block IO errors in there that show the hardware is actually dying
[21:55] <floogy> copy gnu cp ": numerical result out of range" (34 	ERANGE		Numerical result out of range )
[21:56] <floogy> sarnold, no there were no dmesg output. I think virtual box or the ME guest didn't finished the write operation and left therefor the fs system (NTFS) in an inconsistent state, Though I'm not sure.
[21:57] <sarnold> floogy: very possible, yeah
[21:59] <floogy> I'm currently checking the 8TiB WD external drive under Windows 10. The WD tool said 9-10. It's stuck at 10%
[21:59] <floogy> chkdsk /R ETA 129 days or the like.
[21:59] <oerheks> a virtual box image on ntfs, used in ubuntu?
[22:01] <floogy> Because I'm not sure if the chkdsk salvaged everything without testing the surface ...
[22:01] <floogy> Yes, dual boot with Windows.
[22:10] <floogy> NTFS seemed to be a goot compromise to use the external storage on both systems. You can't ue the VMs on both systems because of the pathnames, though. But everything else, because the external WD is no NAS. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CDtqwGnbkj/
[22:17] <JanC> exFAT is probably a better alternative than NTFS nowadays, for shared external storage
[23:07] <tomreyn> GSMarquis: feel free to just ask your question, there are more qualified people to answer them around here. and i tend to forget what i helped with last time (so even when i help you'll need to sum it all up again).
[23:33] <floogy> JanC, I think the Block Size was the reason I choosed NTFS besides my trust in FAT. I got the impression NTFS is more solid, also that ntfs3 is quite stable.