[00:56] <felco> I have this weird problem when trying to open a new tab: https://snipboard.io/GUPgmz.jpg - I click the + but it actually clicks the hexchat icon and the chat comes up
[00:57] <felco> I guess it would activate any other icon in the same area of the system tray icons
[00:58] <UndrWater> is the browser maximized?
[00:58] <felco> And I can tell now when it is going to fail, because it is like there is a hidden something above the + tab button, so it doesnt highlight the button
[00:58] <felco> Yes, it is
[00:59] <UndrWater> what if you hover the pointer the same number of pixels below the '+'
[00:59] <UndrWater> then click.
[00:59] <felco> yes, i have to hover until I 'find' the button to click
[00:59] <felco> if not, the system tray get clicked
[01:01] <UndrWater> i have similar issue (not ubuntu) and am reading it's related to compositor. can you turn off compositor and see if that works?
[01:01] <felco> yes
[01:02] <felco> can you tell me how?
[01:02] <UndrWater> what desktop environment?
[01:02] <felco> gnome
[01:02] <felco> x11
[01:03] <UndrWater> apparently, gnome does not allow the compositor to be turned off.
[01:04] <UndrWater> do you happen to have another DE installed?
[01:04] <felco> no.. not on this machine
[01:05] <UndrWater> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1509981/gnome-mouse-pointer-misaligned-offset-between-visble-cursor-location-and-actual
[01:06] <UndrWater> not sure if that's related to your issue
[01:08] <oerheks> simply drag the window away, as it is 50% over the panel, then panel is ruling
[01:11] <UndrWater> oerheks: would the panel push the pointer's click action area away from the visible cursor?
[01:11] <oerheks> yes, unless it is more than 50% over the panel, i guess
[01:12] <z1z1> \quit
[01:12] <oerheks> solution would be some sort of smart alignment, so the panel never drops onto another panel control
[01:12] <oerheks> android does that
[01:13] <UndrWater> that might be the issue. i have a similar one that is completely not that
[01:14] <felco> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH6PUsnfMkk
[01:14] <felco> here a little screencast of it happening
[01:17] <UndrWater> yeah, that look different than my issue, but i feel i'm not seeing the whole story with the cropping.
[01:24] <felco> like what?
[01:25] <felco> this happen even without a window in the background
[01:25] <UndrWater> it looks like one of the windows is coming into the picture, but i'm not sure if it was  random click bringing it up...
[01:26] <masber> hi, I have ubuntu 23.10 and the clock is not getting updated while traveling to another timezone
[01:26] <masber> I checked the settings and it should change the time automatically, also location services is enabled and I have access to internet through wifi
[01:26] <masber> so I don
[01:26] <masber> I don
[01:26] <masber> I don't understand what the issue may be?
[01:26] <masber> any hints?
[01:42] <felco> UndrWater yes, it is the hexchat window that comes up, all clicks there goes into the hexchat icon in the system tray
[01:42] <felco> also, you can notice that the icon tooltip shows up
[01:56] <mandle> @masber check privacy settings maybe? This might help... https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/privacy-location.html
[01:58] <felco> huh that is annoying... changing the primary display created a 'ghost system tray'
[02:01] <masber> yeah I have location services apps allowed to access location data
[02:02] <mandle> check the logs? grep time or errors may help
[02:03] <oerheks> maybe it is the bios time bugging
[02:08] <mandle> I was trying to set ntp up last night, and was having issues...systemd-timesyncd.service was where I stopped last night... doesn't know ntp,maybe depreceated or something, haven't finished troubleshooting.  give me a bit, i'll update in a bit
[02:09] <felco> disabling the system tray extension solves the issue
[03:02] <mandle> @masber run timedatectl status you should see System clock synchronized: yes
[03:02] <mandle>               NTP service: active
[03:02] <mandle>  if not, sudo nano /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf scroll to the bottom, uncomment "NTP=" and add a ntp server NTP=ca.pool.ntp.org that's me up in canada. sudo systemctl restart systemd-timesyncd.service, then check with timedatectl status. and if that doesn't work, I have no idea.
[03:03] <mandle> you may need to apt install systemd-timesyncd
[03:04] <Macer> saw something where it sounds like you can't install debs?
[03:04] <Macer> is that just with the ui?
[03:04] <rbox> yes
[03:05] <Macer> ah ok
[03:05] <Macer> i don't think snaps are a bad idea but i find that a lot of them have quirky things that don't work.. like not having an icon for the app or not being able to access smb shares (i don't think there is an option in ubuntu to even allow it under apps in settings)
[03:05] <Macer> only external media which i guess smb is not considered
[03:22] <lubuntu> hello
[03:35] <bobdobbs> how list all physical drives?
[03:35] <mybalzitch> lsblk ?
[03:36] <bobdobbs> `lsblk | grep -v loop` seems to do it
[03:44] <Jim`> Is it "normal" to have to install "xsane" to get GIMP to use your printer to scan ?
[03:45] <jiqiren> Jim`: yes
[03:46] <oerheks> no, libsane1 uses simplescan as frontend, AFAIK
[03:46] <oerheks> !info xsane
[03:46] <oerheks> optional
[03:46] <Jim`> oerheks: I had to install hplib or whatever and the printer worked to print
[03:46] <Jim`> but GIMP wasn't picking it up as a scanner device
[03:47] <Macer> ah ok. seems like gvfs crams the network shares in /run/user/uid/gvfs which i guess snap doesn't have access to even when allowing external media
[03:47] <Macer> that should probably be something added to snap to allow
[03:48] <oerheks> gimp as snap?
[03:48] <Macer> maybe i'll test out the libreoffice snap again to see if it can access it. seems like vlc is working although using 'open' sends you to the snap dir and not the home dir
[03:48] <Macer> nor are network shares listed
[05:19] <wwsmurf> I just installed vimtutor, and it's not working (Ubuntu noble). I don't see the tutorial's text. I installed vim-runtime.
[05:24] <wwsmurf> I see text flashing before my eyes, but no tutorial.
[05:28] <wwsmurf> okay . . .
[05:28] <wwsmurf> got it working.
[06:13] <Diagon> Why am I getting "no release found" when I try to do-release-upgrade from 23.10?
[06:16] <Diagon> Oops - I see.  They're not available "immediately": https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NobleUpgrades
[06:52] <shinjuku> Hi!
[06:53] <shinjuku> I can't install Ubuntu 24.04 on GA-B75M-D2V (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-B75M-D2V-rev-10) i gеt it  https://pasteboard.co/qg6ZnmCTO698.png what could it be and why
[06:58] <zaggynl> shinjuku: sounds like Ubuntu isn't detecting your disk for some reason
[06:58] <zaggynl> I do need to test 24.04 actually
[07:02] <shinjuku> zaggynl, this is weird... i have one SSD Sata SmartBuy 256 Gb for a system and two SATA Toshiba 320Gb for backups on this GA-B75M-D2V, and Ubuntu 22.04 is worked now
[07:02] <shinjuku> 2xHitachi, soory
[07:04] <zaggynl> as 24.04 is still very very new, I suspect a bug
[07:08] <shinjuku> zaggynl: just i not use any RAID or NVme on this system. Okay
[07:19] <SkyWay> i'm having a script in my home folder.. called `send.py`, that i need to run every 5 minutes.. so in crontab i entered `*/5 * * * * /usr/bin/python3 send.py` but that doesn't get executed. if i run manually the script via command line like `python3 send.py` everything is ok .. any ideeas why crontab ignores that?
[07:26] <webchat2> 1 package can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see it.
[07:26] <webchat2> Reading package lists... Done
[07:26] <webchat2> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:26] <webchat2> Reading state information... Done
[07:26] <webchat2> Calculating upgrade... Done
[07:26] <webchat2> The following upgrades have been deferred due to phasing:
[07:26] <webchat2>   distro-info-data
[07:26] <webchat2> How to solve this error?
[07:27] <SkyWay> `sudo apt install -f` ?
[07:28] <toddc> !phasedupdated | webchat2
[07:28] <toddc> Since Ubuntu 21.04, APT may hold back some updates on some systems while they are being phased in. This is called "phased updates". See  https://ubottu.com/y/phased and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhasedUpdates for more info.
[07:31] <webchat2> Okay, will just ignore it
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: there is a bug report out there for kernel 6.8 on gigabyte mobo
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: bug #2060709
[08:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2060709 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel 6.8 and Gigabyte F2A88XM-D3H mainboard do not collaborate" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2060709
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> see if this is you?
[08:56] <shankuo> exit
[08:57] <zaggynl> huh, good find, so it _is_ appearing to be an ubuntu bug
[09:06] <computer> hello
[11:39] <lenovo> hi
[11:39] <lenovo> do you know how to join linuxmint help chat ?
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> !mint
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> lenovo: also see their official website, more ways of support are listed there
[11:40] <lenovo> thank you very much loty
[11:40] <lenovo> lotuspsychje, thank you verymuch
[11:40] <lenovo> very much
[11:41] <lenovo> good day
[12:58] <donofrio> what would cause this, when I try to update I get "release file for http://archive..... is not valid yet (invalid for another 5h 59min 27s). Updates for this reporisty will not be applied?"
[12:59] <ravage> probably a wrong time/timezone on your side
[13:00] <donofrio> yah it thinks it is sunday, bah
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:19] <Fabss> HI
[13:20] <Fabss> whats up
[13:25] <Jim`> What do people usually use to scan with ?
[13:25] <Jim`> the software ^
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> !info simple-scan | Jim`
[13:39] <jhutchins> Jim`: What are you scanning for/with?
[13:47] <Fossil> Okay am I an idiot? Running 22.04.4 LTS. do-release-upgrade -d says nothing avail. I change the Prompt from LTS to Normal. Run do-release-upgrade -d and get "Upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release." So I run it again with -d and it wants to upgrade to 23.10 first, without directly going to 24.04
[13:47] <Fossil> I guess I need to wait for the first point release right
[13:47] <ravage> Upgrades are not enabled at the moment 
[13:47] <ravage> Not even from 23.10
[13:48] <ravage> And official upgrades from 22.04 will be available after 24.04.1
[13:48] <Fossil> Noted. Just wanted to test one upgrade before doing the rest in August. Guess I will wait
[13:52] <Jim`> jhutchins: HP Deskjet
[13:52] <Jim`> jhutchins: I had to install "xsane" for GIMP to detect it?
[13:53] <Jim`> jhutchins: I was wondering if there was something else to do after installing hplip so that I don't have to use GIMP and xsane or whatever
[13:53] <Jim`> jhutchins: HP Deskjet 2640 *
[13:53] <Jim`> Once you install the HP software it runs fine as a printer, but not a copier, etc
[14:29] <shinjuku> Hey! What about bug #2060709? i was offline
[14:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2060709 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel 6.8 and Gigabyte F2A88XM-D3H mainboard do not collaborate" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2060709
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: i recall this bug with a kernel 6.8 combo with gigabyte mobo, just look at the description, to see if its your case
[14:32] <fanny123>  hi, my kubuntu 22.04LTS stopped working i believe dns or smthing similar. i saw a bind9 update, could it be the cause?
[14:32] <fanny123>  1:9.18.18-0ubuntu0.22.04.2   i have this version. what do you recommend install previous version? is it something known? i've lost internet a few days ago
[14:33] <shinjuku> I just don't see options for installing to disk. Like here in the screenshot https://pasteboard.co/qg6ZnmCTO698.png I’ll take a look now
[14:33] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje:
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: an idea could be creating a 22.04 install usb, and compare it to see if your disks get recognized there
[14:36] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje:  Ubuntu 22.04 installs and works flawlessly on this PC
[14:37] <shinjuku> with 24.04 problem only
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: ok, so its maybe the bug, or the work in progress of the new 24.04 installer
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: but a clean install 24.04 with a full disk install, should work
[14:38] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: okay, I'll try today
[14:57] <fanny123> hello
[14:58] <delsol_laptop> Greetings
[14:59] <fanny123> delsol_laptop >  hi, my kubuntu 22.04LTS stopped working i believe dns or smthing similar. i saw a bind9 update, could it be the cause?
[14:59] <fanny123>  1:9.18.18-0ubuntu0.22.04.2   i have this version. what do you recommend install previous version? is it something known? i've lost internet a few days ago
[14:59] <delsol_laptop> no idea.
[15:00] <CosmicDJ> fanny123: bind9 is a full blown DNS server that's not in use by default unless you install/configure it by yourself
[15:01] <fanny123> CosmicDJ ok thanks didnt know that, should be other thing then
[15:01] <fanny123> how can i  know if a recent update in last few days can break internet conf?
[15:02] <CosmicDJ> fanny123: forums would be full of complains? packages would have been rolled back?
[15:20] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: the problem remained with the only blank disk without EFI in the system https://pasteboard.co/MSokDXWqwQsg.png https://pasteboard.co/KYbDrjIqZ1vo.png
[15:20] <NeilRG> Should I manually update distro-info-data?
[15:20] <NeilRG> distro-info-data/noble-updates 0.60ubuntu0.1 all [upgradable from: 0.60]
[16:22] <ELFrederich> I'm trying to install 24.04 server and it's stuck on some "curtin cuthooks" just spinning forever with "installing missing packages".  On first install this didn't happen, then I deleted the VM and on 2 subsequent installs it's hanging there.
[16:23] <ELFrederich> any ideas what to do there?
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: please report your bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-provision and attach your /var/log/installer logs to it please
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> ELFrederich: same for you, see if you can catch the logs inside /var/log/installer
[17:04] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: yes, already done. i sent a report with screenshots
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: whats your bug ID please?
[17:07] <shinjuku>  lotuspsychje: #2064893 block probing crashed with RuntimeError
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> bug #2064893
[17:08] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: #2064935 https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/2064935
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> error not found
[17:09] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/2064935 not found?
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> This page does not exist, or you may not have permission to see it.
[17:10] <shinjuku>  lotuspsychje: maybe this is only available to developers. I see my bug in my profile
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: ah, you filed the bug from inside the installer crash?
[17:12] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: yes :)
[17:12] <korobey> hello
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: ok thanks for filing your bug, follow the advice of the developers on your bug ID now
[17:16] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: Thank you! I will do so. but for now I’ll go back to 22.04 probably
[18:11] <dust> where is the 24.04 iso which is smaller than 4,7gb?
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> dust: there's a xubuntu minimal iso if you like
[18:13] <dust> lotuspsychje, i mean the standard ubuntu... there was a legacy version which was smaller than 4,7gb
[19:54] <test924> I heard there are problems with upgrading to 24.04. Is it advised to wait?
[19:55] <oerheks> wait for the 24.04.1 point release, upgrade path is not released yet.
[19:56] <bprompt> test924: dunno, but I'll be getting it in July or august, when the .1 version comes out
[19:56] <oerheks> we do not recommend to use the -d development option, but if you do, prepare an usb with a fresh 24.04 iso first
[19:56] <test924> thanks
[19:58] <test924> I see that 23.10 is end of standard support some time in july and 24.04.1 is scheduled for release in august. Does that mean that 23.10 has a period of no support and no upgrade path?
[20:00] <oerheks> 23.10 + 9 months, so indeed around july/august
[20:01] <oerheks> for 24.04 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649
[21:37] <mobius> I installed a package with snap (snap install k9s) and it gets put in /snap/k9s/155/bin and doesn't get linked from /snap/bin. Is this a snap package problem? Or why would it do this? System is Ubuntu/PopOS 20.04 snap 2.62
[21:58] <pycurious> Is 24.04LTS something I should wait on? or can i start using it? Especially with nvidia drivers.
[21:59] <pycurious> If I run an incus vm that runs 22.04lts but the base os is 24.04LTS - does the nvidia driver work for a gpu pass through from the main OS to the VM? For containers, it seems I have to match the baseOS=guestOS for nvidia. Is that the case for VM as well? Thanks.
[22:01] <SuperLag> I'm trying to set needrestart.conf to only restart services interactively. https://gist.github.com/akulbe/64ffcf50af4dead586c6581651ee722e <- I thought uncommenting and setting line 38 to 'i' was all I needed to do, but it's still not working. I'm not clear on how this works.
[22:37] <Bashing-om> SuperLag: Recent changes - see: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/needrestart-changes-in-ubuntu-24-04-service-restarts/44671 ,
[22:46] <SuperLag> Bashing-om: thank you