[03:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:03] <meustation> yo, Bashing-om, here I am
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> you can start a topic of discussions here meustation 
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> anyone awake might join your conversation
[05:09] <Bashing-om> meustation: I wandered back :D
[05:16] <meustation> Bashing-om, no prob
[05:16] <meustation> lotuspsychje, sorry if I went against channel policy in any way, been brought here by Bashing-om in order not to flood the main channel
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> dont worry, there's often a thin red line but we tend you divide support with discussions with this channel
[05:18] <meustation> Bashing-om, as I was sayin', would like to know if this dropping of Xorg starts from debian or if it is one of the things in which ubuntu differs from the mothering distro
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> more other linux distros's seem to drop xorg now meustation 
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> i think fedora did
[05:19] <Bashing-om> meustation: Well - all distros are in prgress of adopting Wayland.
[05:19] <meustation> fedora is what used to be red hat, right?
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> correct
[05:20] <meustation> never had the pleasure of using it
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> redhat was my first ever distro experience
[05:21] <meustation> and I think I only ever modified xorg.conf 2 or 3 times
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> after messing around some others, i came to stick to ubuntu till now
[05:22]  * meustation started with mandrake thanks to a friend that made the dual boot install, when Ubuntu was not yet around or not mainstream
[05:23] <meustation> I still remember how cool it was that Ubuntu was something even a n00b like myself could install on his own
[05:23] <meustation> lotuspsychje, you planning to stick to ubuntu in the future?
[05:24] <Bashing-om> I got introduced to Kubuntu - messed about with all the falvors --- xfce suits for what I do :P
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> if it keeps existing yeah
[05:24]  * meustation is used to ubuntu, but has not found the perfect setup yet
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> what are you looking for to make better meustation ?
[05:25] <meustation> I'm considering getting a bit more confidence with debian, just in case the guy bankrolling ubuntu should choose to stop
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> if you are used to ubuntu, debian wont be such a shock
[05:26] <meustation> lotuspsychje, I loved the pre-unity ubuntu, with compiz playing the role of eyeliner on a friday night
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> unity still exist meustation 
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> !flavours
[05:26] <meustation> though my favourite desktop environment is fluxbox
[05:26] <meustation> as I said, pre-unity; pure gnome ubuntu
[05:27] <Bashing-om> !minimal
[05:28] <meustation> had a debian since 2014, a simple server install with just fluxbox added for moments of peak lazyness
[05:29] <meustation> got left out of the update loop during the pandemic epoch, then managed to fuck it up trying to upgrade without having to reinstall
[05:29] <meustation> plan atm is to do a fresh install of debian-edu on that machine
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> whatever does the trick
[05:32] <test925> it feels a bit early to me for a distro to totally drop xorg. My experience with it tells me it's still buggy.
[05:32] <test925> that's in ubuntu, though. maybe it's better elsewhere.
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> xorg wont vanish soon neither
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> soo many distros still rely on it
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> but as Bashing-om is also true, more wayland efforts are upon us
[05:36] <meustation> what is the main difference between wayland and xorg, seen from the side of those who know how to write code?
[05:40]  * meustation has only a basic understanding of an operating system's architecture
[05:42] <meustation> the debian server install was me trying to evolve from the ubuntu server install, which allowed me to learn to work with ssh+screen, which is something I am planning to go back to
[22:25] <meustation> I used to think using usb flash drives as a base on which to work from both windows and linux was something that now works at a stable level. boy was I wrong!
[22:26] <meustation> am of course inclined to blame windows for the worsening of results
[22:35] <daftykins> persistent flash drives for an installation + data storage? heeeell no
[23:59] <meustation> nope, not for an installation
[23:59] <meustation> just as one would use a floppy, to save data you work on