[02:45] <tsimonq2[m]> ouchhhhh nice 😒
[02:45] <tsimonq2> meh just throw it at the archive :P
[17:16] -Ubottu[m]:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy 22.04.4] has been updated (20240509)
[19:09] <AaronRainbolt> OK so I think it's reasonable that Calamares checks for Internet access during installation of Lubuntu/Kubuntu/Ubuntu Unity. But is it really a good idea during first-time OEM setup when the user may not have any way of connecting in the first place?
[19:09] <AaronRainbolt> I'm thinking of removing the Internet check from `<flavor>/oem/modules/welcome.conf` and SRU-ing it into Noble so it's fixed for 24.04.1.
[19:14] <wxl[m]> What did Ubiquity used to do?
[19:17] <arraybolt3> Ubiquity has never griped about Internet being missing AFAIK.
[19:18] <arraybolt3> It gave you an option to connect during install time if you wanted, but otherwise wasn't pushy about it. Calamares is pushy about it, but can work without it.
[19:18] <wxl[m]> I'd verify that and follow suit
[19:18] <arraybolt3> Calamares' feature set doesn't really let us do that.
[19:19] <wxl[m]> For what it's worth, there's nothing that would be improved by having an Internet connection, right?
[19:19] <arraybolt3> It's either "don't gripe about Internet at all", or "gripe loudly".
[19:19] <arraybolt3> There is quite a bit that is improved by having an Internet connection for the installation part of things.
[19:19] <arraybolt3> But for the OEM setup part, it's pretty useless.
[19:19] <arraybolt3> er, the first time user setup - you know what I mean
[19:19] <wxl[m]> Right, that's what I meant
[19:20] <wxl[m]> Yeah, probably best to turn it off. Maybe run it by flavors or at least Kubuntu/Unity and see if they're in agreement, but it seems like what you're suggesting makes sense
[19:20] <wxl[m]> However it might be a tough go to get that SRU'd
[19:21] <AaronRainbolt> I doubt it, it's a cosmetic change only.
[19:22] <wxl[m]> Well my impression was always more that SRUs were only really accepted when they made a significant improvement to the experience/function, i.e. cosmetic changes would generally be ignored
[19:24] <arraybolt3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates specifically that "Bugs which do not fit under above categories, but (1) have an obviously safe patch and (2) affect an application rather than critical infrastructure packages (like X.org or the kernel)." can be fixed via SRU.
[19:24] <arraybolt3> i.e., if it's a small thing but the fix is obviously safe and the app is not hyper-critical, it's doable
[19:25] <arraybolt3> this isn't really a small thing, almost every single user who gets an OEM installation of klubuntunity is going to see a warning message about Internet when they first turn on their box.
[19:26] <wxl[m]> seems like you're on the right track then :)
[19:27] <arraybolt3> er, klünitybuntu, is how vorlon put it :)
[19:27] <wxl[m]> klubuntunity ("cloo-bundt-u-ne-tee") needs to be a thing we use more officially
[19:27] <arraybolt3> complete with umlaut above the 'u'
[19:27] <wxl[m]> indeed
[19:28] <wxl[m]> of course then it's more like "cloe" :)
 "Well my impression was always..." <- you have the release manager hat for stable, just say it's a feature goal 😛
[22:13] <tsimonq2[m]> that's how we got cala SRUs through in the past
[22:13] <tsimonq2[m]> either way ... this is a bug