| cbreak | LuckyMan: that won't make a difference here, neither wayland nor x is running that early in the boot process | 00:00 |
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| cbreak | I did try wayland a bit some time ago, but it doesn't work too well with kde 5 | 00:00 |
| ali1234 | trying to upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04. what is "shim" and why is it held back? | 00:01 |
| cbreak | and ubuntu hasn't updated to 6 yet | 00:01 |
| cbreak | ali1234: something used for secure boot | 00:01 |
| LuckyMan | ali1234, I think held back just means it will be installed later at some point when the right version comes out. | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | the new version of shim depends on a version of shim-signed that doesn't exist in the repositories | 00:05 |
| ali1234 | wait, that's not quite right | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | there's a new version of shim, but shim-signed depends on the current version, and there is no new version of shim-signed. so shim cannot be updated | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | so therefore i cannot do-release-upgrade | 00:07 |
| ali1234 | can i force it to ignore the un-updated package? | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | worst case it trashes the install and i just wipe it and start again... if i can't upgrade it i'm going to have to do that anyway | 00:08 |
| LuckyMan | ali1234, do you have a backup? | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | yes | 00:12 |
| LuckyMan | so why not do a fresh install? | 00:12 |
| ali1234 | i don't have install media | 00:12 |
| LuckyMan | that's what I did | 00:13 |
| LuckyMan | oops | 00:13 |
| LuckyMan | you should have anyway, if things go wrong... | 00:13 |
| ali1234 | i dont have any spare flash drives to put install media on | 00:14 |
| ali1234 | because who even uses those any more? everything is cloud now | 00:14 |
| LuckyMan | you only have one computer? | 00:14 |
| ali1234 | they are as dead as cd-roms | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | no, i have loads of computers | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | if i want to copy files between them i use ssh | 00:15 |
| LuckyMan | so copy your usb media files to another computer | 00:15 |
| ali1234 | what files? | 00:15 |
| LuckyMan | the ones you have on the usb drive you "cannot" spare | 00:16 |
| ali1234 | the only USB drives i have is a stack of 4x4TB USB3 hard drives that i use for backups | 00:16 |
| LuckyMan | omg... a usb stick costs 3€... | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | it's 1am | 00:17 |
| ali1234 | otherwise i'd go and buy one | 00:17 |
| LuckyMan | just wait for tomorrow | 00:17 |
| LuckyMan | one day is not the end of the worls | 00:18 |
| LuckyMan | s/worls/world | 00:18 |
| LuckyMan | one night in your case | 00:19 |
| zmc | Systemd is starting a copy of dbus, pipewire and pipewire-media session for every user on boot even if they are not logged in. How can I make it stop doing that? | 00:38 |
| ali1234 | okay i found the problem. i have a shim-signed package that starts with "1.41" when the latest version starts with "1.40" | 00:39 |
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| Ballin | hello! | 01:23 |
| Ballin | hi! | 01:24 |
| Ballin | hello? | 01:24 |
| ruser | i'm doing a 23.10 ->24.04 upgrade, however it seems that os-prober (this is indeed a dual boot for now) seems to be hung up .... not sure what to do. https://termbin.com/8q9s | 01:48 |
| ruser | also, hello. | 01:49 |
| ruser | I can kill the os-prober and re-run manually, after the upgrade done. does that seem reasonable? | 01:50 |
| ruser | i don't understand why would it hang though | 01:52 |
| sarnold | I wonder what it's doing? | 01:52 |
| sarnold | state S, zero seconds consumed, it's not doing much :) | 01:52 |
| ruser | right | 01:52 |
| sarnold | why'd it spend half an hour doing nothing? | 01:52 |
| sarnold | I don't dual boot myself so I'm not sure how useful it is :( but I deleted it entirely from my systems because I hated waiting for it every update | 01:53 |
| ruser | i'm slowly moving that way, though occasional gaming gets me | 01:54 |
| sarnold | I wonder what happens if you delete it -- will it leave your old working configuration alone? | 01:54 |
| ruser | delete which? flip the flag to false? | 01:54 |
| sarnold | sorry, delete os-prober | 01:54 |
| ruser | one could just disable it in /etc/default/grub by setting #GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false | 01:55 |
| ruser | s/false/true/ | 01:56 |
| sarnold | that might be less knee-jerk :) heh | 01:56 |
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| ruser | can i abort this upgrade? | 01:59 |
| ruser | as-in safely | 01:59 |
| ruser | dmesg isn't showing anything interesting | 02:00 |
| sarnold | ruser: if it were me I'd kill those specific processes, not the whole update | 02:00 |
| ruser | well.. it keeps re-running it | 02:10 |
| sarnold | :( | 02:13 |
| sarnold | maybe file a bug on the thing before it's gone? ubuntu-bug os-prober will probably do the right thing | 02:13 |
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| ruser | there was another another issue before, it was finding windows boot twice, i wonder if this is connected | 02:15 |
| ruser | something i didn't quite get to sorting out | 02:16 |
| ruser | also not one but two os_probers in /etc/grub.d | 02:19 |
| ruser | 30_os-prober 31_os-prober | 02:20 |
| ruser | on top of it ... and then there is /usr/bin/os-prober | 02:27 |
| sarnold | two configs? that's kinda busted-sounded | 02:28 |
| rbox | two configs are better than one | 02:29 |
| ruser | is it due to upgrade? maybe it's another version? idk | 02:32 |
| ruser | i should have tried to peek at it with lsof. hmm | 03:09 |
| ruser | ok, so looks like os-prober doesn't do well with zfs | 03:32 |
| NeilRG | how do I check if there are any kernel updates? | 03:44 |
| NeilRG | restarting, bbias | 03:44 |
| NeilRG | how do I update my kernel to 6.9? | 04:17 |
| rbox | there is a mainline kernel ppa | 04:18 |
| NeilRG | rbox, is this not recommended? I thought dist-upgrade would automatically update my kernel | 04:19 |
| rbox | dist-upgrade iwll update to whatever is in the repos | 04:19 |
| rbox | so if its not in the repos, its not going to magically get it | 04:19 |
| NeilRG | okay but why don't the repos include the mainline kernel? | 04:20 |
| rbox | because they dont | 04:21 |
| rbox | that what the ppa is for | 04:22 |
| NeilRG | I just have some weird UI bugs, and I'm wondering if updating the kernel or Gnome might solve them | 04:22 |
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| siak | If I want to use OpenSSL version of the squid, should I rebuild it? Or can get it from a repo somehow? | 07:17 |
| siak | I also liked to ask if anyone knows why the squid in ubuntu repos is not build with OpenSSL? | 07:27 |
| ravage | https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/squid-openssl | 07:33 |
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| shinjuku | Hi! This bug still Undecided / Unassigned ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/2064935 | 08:24 |
| lotuspsychje | bad url shinjuku ? | 08:25 |
| shinjuku | lotuspsychje: this correct url, you can see is here https://pasteboard.co/cK6Ch9L4KyLx.png | 08:29 |
| lotuspsychje | shinjuku: you filed a private crash bug, those are only visible for developers due security reasons | 08:30 |
| lotuspsychje | shinjuku: what you could try, is browsing the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-provision/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0 and see if you can find a similar bug to yours thats public | 08:31 |
| lotuspsychje | shinjuku: but if others have a crash too, its also gonna be private | 08:32 |
| shinjuku | lotuspsychje: looking at it superficially I don’t see anything similar, but thanks | 08:34 |
| lotuspsychje | shinjuku: ok, surely the devs will handle your crash bug internaly, thanks for filing your bug and make Ubuntu better! | 08:35 |
| shinjuku | lotuspsychje: are there developers online in this chat who have access to private bug reports? Should I wait for a response to a closed bug report, or can I not wait a year? | 08:49 |
| |N3on21| | hello world I'm having a problem with audio on my Ubuntu pc | 08:56 |
| |N3on21| | when tasking between programs the audio cuts out for 3 sec | 08:56 |
| lotuspsychje | shinjuku: this support channel has developers, volunteers and operators, but usualy the developers will work behind the scenes | 09:05 |
| shinjuku | lotuspsychje: Okay. I see that a response to a private bug report may not be expected in the near future, in general. Thanx | 09:19 |
| lotuspsychje | shinjuku: no response, does not mean its not being taking care of, every bug report counts in the community | 09:20 |
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| ixdap | I have an xps13 9300 (the 10th gen one) where the display cable is gone and I leave it plugged into a usb-c monitor. I vaguely recall that was a little to setup correctly, but it has been working for years. I am mostly running Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS because it still works. Until today, after running the pending upgrades. | 10:36 |
| ixdap | Comparing Xorg logs, it does look like it no longer detects the screen I am using. Given how stable this has been, and how inconvenient it is now hat the display cable has died on the laptop, I thought I should interact and not just sulk on my own! | 10:38 |
| ixdap | The relevant section of that comparison if you are interested: https://bpa.st/QSHQ | 10:40 |
| Guest36 | Hello there, maybe someone here can help me. My computer, that runs in Linux, won't boot :-( | 10:49 |
| Guest36 | And I know nothing about computers but are desperate for it to work | 10:51 |
| daft | Guest36, how far does it go. bootup grup or a kernel panic? | 10:58 |
| Guest36 | A kernel panic, I think | 10:59 |
| jaco | is it advisable to upgrade to 24.04 after installing 23.10? | 10:59 |
| Guest36 | I have tried to follow some videos on youtube, but mine asks for a password so it does not follow the same staeps as the video | 10:59 |
| Guest36 | I know absolutely nothing about computers | 11:00 |
| jaco | Is it advisable to upgrade to 24.04 after installing 23.10? | 11:00 |
| ixdap | jaco, I believe that 23.10 was an interim release and is only scheduled to be maintained for 9 months. | 11:05 |
| jaco | okay so i can go ahead n upgrade to 24.04? | 11:06 |
| ixdap | I was a debian a user until I got this laptop, and I have been running 20.04 on it all that time. I actually haven't a clue about what upgrade pathways work in Ubuntu. I do have a separate install of 22.04 on here and the long term plan was to move into that, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. | 11:09 |
| ixdap | jaco, but unless you have a good reason to stay on an unmaintained release, then the sensible advice would be to move to a release that is maintained. If you have to ask, then I would suggest an LTS release will buy you a lot more time. | 11:12 |
| Guest36 | Can anyone help me? | 11:14 |
| ixdap | Guest36, have you tried booting a LIVE image? (is that the same thing on ubuntu?!) | 11:16 |
| Guest36 | ixdap, how do I do that? I know NOTHING about computers :-( | 11:16 |
| ixdap | oh, I see. It was booting into linus, but now it is not? | 11:16 |
| Guest36 | ixdap, When I start the computer it just stops at the Linux logo and doesn't go any further | 11:17 |
| ixdap | So, if I had a computer that didn't boot up properly, I would look for a rescue boot on the system, or boot from external media (or in the extreme case, if it is a headless server thousands of away in a colo, get a reload!) | 11:19 |
| ixdap | Guest36, Is it an ubuntu system? Was there any change that might have caused the problem? | 11:21 |
| Guest36 | ixdap, I just don't understand anything about computers. Can you give advice for like an idiot? | 11:21 |
| Guest36 | ixdap, I downloaded chrome | 11:21 |
| ixdap | Guest36, I can ask questions like an idiot :-) | 11:22 |
| Guest36 | ixdap, A friend installed Linux and I think he encrypted everything | 11:22 |
| ixdap | Guest36, yeah, somewhere in the last 30 years it all got really crazy with the crypto. Used to be that the internet was a like a village and technical folk would just shell in an out of all kinds of boxes. It was very friendly. | 11:25 |
| Guest36 | ixdap, I just don't know what to do :-( | 11:26 |
| ixdap | Guest36, if you have a chromebook, there is a recovery thing you can do even if you are locked out (I suppose because the data is in the cloud) | 11:26 |
| Guest36 | ixdap, it is a Sony Vaio | 11:27 |
| daft | Guest36, https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/try-ubuntu-before-you-install#1-getting-started this tells how how to install a live usb. | 11:28 |
| Guest36 | daft, I will try to follow the instructions. Thank you so much :-) | 11:29 |
| daft | If that boots is a software problem if it fails a hardware problem. (normally) | 11:32 |
| daft | Best in your case it dont try to repair it but recover your data and do a fresh install. | 11:32 |
| Guest36 | daft, how do I download the ubuntu to a usb? I don't understand the tutorial and this computer I use now is not mine | 11:35 |
| ananke | Guest36: which tutorial? | 11:35 |
| ananke | ohh, nevermind | 11:35 |
| daft | is your current pc windows? | 11:37 |
| Guest36 | daft, yes, I think so | 11:37 |
| daft | if you press the windows key and type cmd do you get a command prompt then your on windows i think | 11:38 |
| daft | can you install software? | 11:38 |
| Guest36 | daft, it is windows. I have a usb key | 11:38 |
| daft | this page will download the iso. https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop | 11:40 |
| Guest36 | daft, then how do I get it from the desktop to the usb - and thank you so much for your time | 11:41 |
| daft | this is a tool to put isos on usb https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/imager/imager_latest.exe it is written for raspberry pi but you can select any iso image. Its just works | 11:42 |
| daft | with out any hard questions | 11:42 |
| Guest36 | daft, what is isos? | 11:42 |
| daft | iso is a format for cdroms usbdrives and dvds | 11:43 |
| daft | it its a binary file containing the image that should be put on the usb. | 11:43 |
| Guest36 | daft, so I download Ubuntu to the computer and then? | 11:43 |
| daft | "burn" it using the tool i gave you on the usb | 11:43 |
| Guest36 | daft, I'm sorry for being so ignorant :-) | 11:44 |
| daft | np. totally toast from my cyber training need some thing else for a bit | 11:45 |
| daft | anyway when i got the iso "printed" on the usb using the tool put it in your linux laptop and make sure it boots from the usb stick. I hope that is set. or else your in trouble its diffrent on every system | 11:46 |
| iydheko | Hi | 11:53 |
| iydheko | hi | 11:54 |
| iydheko | there's someone? | 11:55 |
| iydheko | hello | 11:55 |
| toddc | ask! : iydheko | 11:56 |
| toddc | iydheko please ask your questions | 11:58 |
| iydheko | nothing, just saying hi :) | 11:58 |
| webchat30 | Hi! | 12:00 |
| webchat30 | I have a question: | 12:00 |
| ixdap_ | recap: my laptop has no screen, but it worked with a usb screen under 20.04 until the latest upgrade. I have posted before and after xorg log comparison to https://bpa.st/QSHQ | 12:00 |
| webchat30 | I've upgraded to Kubuntu 24.04 yesterday and since then, my mouse and keyboard are not working reliably any more | 12:01 |
| webchat30 | Mouse problem: Every half hour or so when I try to scroll down, it scrolls back up by itself | 12:01 |
| webchat30 | Keyboard: When I Alt-Tab between window, in the new window half the keys on the keyboard don't work anymore | 12:01 |
| webchat30 | When I swicth windows a couple more times, they usually work again | 12:02 |
| webchat30 | does anyone know what might cause this? | 12:02 |
| webchat30 | I would open a ticket, but I have no idea which package could be responsible | 12:02 |
| ixdap_ | webchat30, dunno where to start with debugging directly, but I wonder if the same problems would occur under a different desktop environment? | 12:03 |
| ixdap_ | Sounds like quite an obvious problem. Is there some way to check to see if someone already posted such a bug? apart from irc that is :-) | 12:05 |
| ixdap_ | Is twm still a thing? | 12:07 |
| ixdap_ | my time machine has arrived ... | 12:09 |
| webchat30 | ixdap_ I suppose I could try to install Gnome or something, but 'im kind of afraid that will mess the system up even more.. | 12:12 |
| webchat30 | I tried the search function on launchpad and also Google, but couldn't find anything among the many many results | 12:13 |
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| lotuspsychje | webchat30: maybe you might have more luck at #kubuntu asking for known bugs came out recently? | 12:54 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:59 |
| webchat30 | lotuspsychje I tried that, but that channel seems pretty dead | 13:03 |
| lotuspsychje | webchat30: ok, maybe you can !paste your full dmesg and share the url here with the volunteers, they can have a look for you | 13:03 |
| webchat30 | lotuspsychje alright, I've pasted the output here: https://bpa.st/PHCA | 13:39 |
| ndh | Hello. My laptop just dies without a warning when it runs out of battery. There's no notification, and it doesn't go to sleep. I'm on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS. This seems like a bug to me. And a quite severe one, given that loss of data is likely. Where can I report it? | 13:46 |
| webchat30 | just noticed that the keyboard problem is even weirder than I thought: Just now, I could not move the cursor with the arrow up/down keys, but Alt+Arrow down/up works.. | 13:48 |
| ndh | Nevermind. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/d-conf/+bug/1492174 | 13:49 |
| ndh | Nobody seems to give a s**t. | 13:49 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1492174 in d-conf (Ubuntu) "Notebook does not shutdown when battery is critically low" [Medium, Confirmed] | 13:49 | |
| ruser | Hello.... i've disabled os-prober in /etc/default/grub by setting Check GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER documentation entry. | 14:06 |
| ruser | sorry | 14:06 |
| ruser | Hello.... i've disabled os-prober in /etc/default/grub by setting GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true however when the new kernel is getting installed for some reason it still runs os-prober and the process overwrites my config file in /etc/default/grub. This is 23.10->24.04 upgrade gone wrong, on ZFS. on top of it for some reason there are /two/ os-probers in /etc/grub.d/ 30_os-prober and 31_os-prober. | 14:10 |
| ruser | Previously i killed the os-prober processes when it hung repeatedly while trying to mount grub-mount in Sleep state. | 14:10 |
| ruser | How do make apt upgrade respect my /etc/default/grub settings and not run os-prober? | 14:10 |
| ravage | Uninstall os-prober | 14:11 |
| ruser | https://nopaste.net/bdT32lhb8S | 14:12 |
| ruser | well, which script and why is overwriting my defaults? | 14:14 |
| ruser | what's the point of the config if it's not respected. | 14:14 |
| ruser | ravage: looks like removing it does solve my problem | 14:19 |
| ruser | though now i need to figure out how to add back windows into the chain | 14:20 |
| ruser | i guess /etc/grub.d/xx_custom | 14:21 |
| ruser | apparently apt remove os-prober didn't clean up the scripts in /etc/grub.d/. Would it be safe to remove them? I guess i should have run purge. What's the best way to clean the junk left by it? | 14:25 |
| Jeetu | Ubuntu 24.04 have following versions of python3-requests, python3-urllib3 and python3-docker packages: | 14:29 |
| Jeetu | $ apt list --installed | grep python3-urllib3 | 14:29 |
| Jeetu | python3-urllib3/noble,now 2.0.7-1 all [installed,automatic] | 14:29 |
| Jeetu | $ apt list --installed | grep python3-requests | 14:29 |
| Jeetu | python3-requests/noble,now 2.31.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1 all [installed,automatic] | 14:29 |
| Jeetu | intel@gramine2404:~/docker-7.0.0$ apt list --installed | grep python3-docker | 14:29 |
| Jeetu | python3-docker/noble,now 5.0.3-1ubuntu1 all [installed] | 14:29 |
| Jeetu | `python3-docker=5.0.3-1ubuntu1` seem to have a bug described [here](https://github.com/docker/docker-py/issues/3113) and fixed in version [6.1.0](https://github.com/docker/docker-py/releases/tag/6.1.0) with PR [3116](https://github.com/docker/docker-py/pull/3116). | 14:29 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 3113 in docker/docker-py "urllib3 v2 incompatibility" [Closed] | 14:29 | |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Pull 3116 in docker/docker-py "Make compatible with requests 2.29.0 and urllib3 2.0" [Merged] | 14:29 | |
| Jeetu | Hence Ubuntu 24.04 must upgrade `python3-docker` package to `>=6.1.0` | 14:30 |
| Jeetu | Is this the right channel t report or could someone point me to the correct channel for reporting it? | 14:33 |
| leftyfb | !bug | Jeetu | 14:33 |
| ubottu | Jeetu: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 14:33 |
| ruser | ravage: ty | 14:34 |
| Jeetu | Thanks trying ` ubuntu-bug python3-docker` | 14:35 |
| ruser | Also, sorry some dumb questions, i forgot how to do some things, can I safely remove wpa_supplicant from a desktop system without a wifi card onboard, but with bluetooth? How do i know which pacakge provides it? | 14:42 |
| cixx | hi | 14:56 |
| cixx | i changed network connection from wifi to lan and firefox doesnt open now | 14:56 |
| cixx | when i try to open firefox on command line, i get below message | 14:57 |
| cixx | /user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-3.scope is not a snap cgroup | 14:57 |
| cixx | when i check internet connection via curl, it is successful | 14:57 |
| Jeetu | Could you try below code lines on Ubuntu 24.04 terminal: | 14:59 |
| Jeetu | $ python3 | 14:59 |
| Jeetu | >>> import docker; | 14:59 |
| Jeetu | >>> docker_socket = docker.from_env() | 14:59 |
| Jeetu | last line report the issue | 14:59 |
| ixdap2 | I was here earlier. I have a laptop with a dead display and a connection to a usb screen that stopped working after an upgrade. Went down a rabbit hole of dkms, evdi, readme, eatme ... Turns out I had filled my disk, doh! | 15:04 |
| _jak | hey y'all; If I'm making systemd units for my user only, I place them in `~/.config/systemd/user`, yeah? I'm confused that the services I define there aren't visible to systemctl, even after `systemctl daemon-reload --user` | 15:16 |
| _jak | Also, when I look at `systemd-analyze --user unit-paths` and `systemctl --user show -p UnitPath --value` they both say ~/.config/systemd/user.control rather than ~/.config/systemd/user | 15:16 |
| _jak | but mv-ing ~/.config/systemd/user to ~/.config/systemd/user.control didn't have any effect. What am I missing? | 15:17 |
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| leftyfb | _jak: you need to enable the service file. Give it the full path | 15:20 |
| _jak | leftyfb: d'oh! Thanks, its still early over here | 15:24 |
| ioria | cixx, is that via VNC ? | 15:32 |
| lotuspsychje | webchat30: in your dmesg i see logitech devices loading at 1260 | 16:06 |
| lotuspsychje | webchat30: are you using hubs or other usb ports of some kind? | 16:06 |
| lotuspsychje | webchat30: Kernel is locked down from EFI Secure Boot mode; see man kernel_lockdown.7 | 16:08 |
| lotuspsychje | webchat30: maybe try disabling secureboot as a test, that can influence some hardware | 16:09 |
| webchat30 | lotuspsychje there's no hub, the mouse and keyboard are directly plugged into the box | 16:10 |
| lotuspsychje | allrighty | 16:11 |
| webchat30 | there are some usb chargers connected on top of that, but I don't suppose they would make a difference? | 16:11 |
| lotuspsychje | webchat30: i would try secureboot first, see if that fixes or not | 16:12 |
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| webchat30 | I'll try the secureboot thing. Now that you mention it, there was some message during update, it wanted to reset a file called something like fwupd. I said yes, because it sounded like it was only related to firmware updates, but well, that was just a guess | 16:12 |
| lotuspsychje | webchat30: dont think its related to fwupd | 16:14 |
| lotuspsychje | webchat30: any luck? | 16:22 |
| webchat30 | lotuspsychje: not 100% sure yet, but I think that may have done the trick | 16:24 |
| webchat30 | that keyboard thing is a bit sporadic, so I'd have to try for a bit and see if it crops up again, but I also had some wonky behavior in firefox and that is gone now | 16:25 |
| lotuspsychje | webchat30: there are some other noble bugs out there, that might influence your desktop too, let me know if something else happens | 16:26 |
| webchat30 | alright, will do. | 16:26 |
| lotuspsychje | webchat30: are you on xorg or wayland? | 16:26 |
| webchat30 | Thanks for the help so far, this was really driving me crazy :-) | 16:26 |
| webchat30 | Good question | 16:27 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome webchat30 | 16:27 |
| lotuspsychje | webchat30: default you would boot into wayland | 16:27 |
| webchat30 | I'm running Kubuntu/KDE, I don't think they default to wayland yet | 16:28 |
| webchat30 | yeah, it says X11 in KDe info center | 16:28 |
| lotuspsychje | ok webchat30 | 16:29 |
| lotuspsychje | im testing gnome mostly myself, so cant advice much on kubuntu's desktop bugs | 16:30 |
| webchat30 | yeah no worries, I'll go bug the kde people if I can find something I can pin to kde sppecifically :-) | 16:31 |
| === wdb3 is now known as wdb | ||
| loswedseded | I tried upgrading 23.10 to 24.04 and got 2 broken packages: Libpulsemainloop and libfreerdp2-2. If I mark em for deletion a gazilliion of packages I need will be deleted as well. lsb_release -a shows the distro as 23.10, not 24.04, what do I do now? | 18:00 |
| loswedseded | cannot upgrade repos either | 18:00 |
| aldcor | hi! I installed tor browser via tor launcher (installed with apt) and I can't keyboard doesn't work in it | 18:10 |
| bleusman | hello | 18:18 |
| bleusman | i get this when starting wine: 0090:fixme:wineusb:query_id Unhandled ID query type 0x5. | 18:18 |
| bleusman | Segmentation fault | 18:18 |
| bleusman | any ideas ? | 18:18 |
| N3rdle58 | Hi All. Has anyone else tried to install the ubuntu-desktop packages on an arm64 server yet? | 18:30 |
| younder | Ubuntu 24.04 uses Clang 18.. Any idea why it reports <atomic> file not found? | 18:36 |
| younder | Latest build of Odin | 18:37 |
| loswedseded | can anyone help me delete libfreerdp2-2? it's not in /var/lib/dpkg/info/, but the terminal means it is? | 18:53 |
| loswedseded | this happened upgrading from 23.10 to 24.04 | 18:53 |
| loswedseded | I've tried every way here https://phoenixnap.com/kb/fix-sub-process-usr-bin-dpkg-returned-error-code-1 | 18:54 |
| cixx | hi. | 18:56 |
| cixx | i am trying to use ssh tunnel over a virtual machine which is running ubuntu. in fact, it was working before. port is open. data sent and received. but somehow it stops before receiving all data. i installed another machine which is running fedora and ssh tunnel works over it. what could be the reason ubuntu prevent ssh tunnel? i checked ufw and it | 18:58 |
| cixx | is disabled | 18:58 |
| === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ | ||
| _jak | hey y'all, another systemd question. Let's say I have a unit that I only want enabled when I'm using xmonad as my window manager. How would I do that? | 19:43 |
| _jak | I thought I could just figure out which scope xmonad was started in and set After=session-N.scope but I didn't realize the N was dynamically generated so it's not the same every time | 19:45 |
| cbreak | _jak: have you tried the PartOf= thing described here: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.unit.html ? | 19:51 |
| _jak | cbreak: The tricky thing is is that the unit that starts xmonad is a transient scope, so I can't write down what unit its PartOf in the service file | 19:54 |
| cbreak | I use kde, I'd try to bind it to plasma-kwin_x11.service | 19:55 |
| cbreak | one of the services that's started in my session | 19:55 |
| cbreak | does it not work if you pick one of those listed in systemctl status? | 19:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | After=xmonad.service ? | 19:58 |
| _jak | cbreak: the other tricky thing is that I *don't* want these units to start if xmonad isn't started, so anything that would start when I use another window manager is out | 19:59 |
| _jak | sixwheeledbeast: as far as I can tell, there isn't an xmonad.service. I did systemctl status $pid_of_xmonad and found out that the unit that started xmonad was session-2.scope; last reboot it was session-4.scope | 19:59 |
| _jak | I'm not against making an xmonad service, I just don't want to make something that will conflict with how ubuntu starts it normally | 20:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I haven't a KDE system to look. | 20:03 |
| _jak | I'm not using KDE anyhow | 20:03 |
| _jak | I do appreciate the help in any case! | 20:03 |
| oerheks | After=xmonad.service looks reasonable? | 20:04 |
| _jak | oerheks: That would certainly work if there were an xmonad.service, but there doesn't seem to be one | 20:06 |
| cbreak | _jak: in my system, I have a session.slice, which has a bunch of services under it, among them plasma-kded.service, which has a bunch of processes associated. The slice doesn't have any processes directly | 20:07 |
| cbreak | is this different for xmonad? | 20:07 |
| cbreak | do you use a display manager to start it like ssdm? | 20:07 |
| cbreak | (sddm) | 20:09 |
| _jak | cbreak: I'm using whatever the default display manager is I guess? I haven't attempted to customize it | 20:09 |
| _jak | cbreak: I also have session.slice, but xmonad isn't part of it | 20:09 |
| _jak | if I look at the output of systemctl status, xmonad is started in session-2.scope | 20:10 |
| _jak | there seems to be a session-N.scope for each login session that's started, i.e. there's one for each console session I started, etc. etc. | 20:11 |
| cbreak | and there's no target file for xmonad in your /usr/lib/systemd ? | 20:14 |
| _jak | cbreak: I think that's the missing piece of context that I needed! There's no xmonad.target but there is a gnome-session-x11.target that references xmonad. So I guess I'm using gdm to start everything | 20:21 |
| _jak | I'm gonna go check to see if this will work as expected; thanks for all your help! | 20:22 |
| cbreak | weird... I thought gnome used some other wm | 20:22 |
| cbreak | there's no xmonad in apt, maybe you installed it in a weird way | 20:23 |
| cbreak | hmm... no, the update to 24.04 just broke something in my apt, it shows up if I search as root... | 20:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | So it's an option in the DM? I have never used it | 20:25 |
| cbreak | when installing a new window manager / desktop environment, it should show up in your display manager (on the login screen) as additional selectable option | 20:26 |
| cbreak | https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/amd64/xmonad/filelist lists two in /usr/share/xsessions/ | 20:28 |
| loswedseded | could anyone tell me how to manually install this package? https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/mantic/freerdp2 | 20:54 |
| loswedseded | downloaded, terminal open, now what? | 20:54 |
| leftyfb | loswedseded: sudo apt install freerdp2-x11 or freerdp2-wayland , depending on which you are running | 21:04 |
| === chalcedny is now known as Sunrise | ||
| carter | help | 21:34 |
| sarnold | irc works better with more specific questions :) | 21:35 |
| carter | a half baked upgrade to 24.10 broke my system. Now if I let it log in it directs me to a tty1 and im asked to enter a login and a password | 21:35 |
| carter | 24.04 from 23.10 | 21:35 |
| sarnold | ugh | 21:36 |
| carter | I dont know what to type | 21:36 |
| sarnold | I suggest logging in, sudo -i to get a root shell, then: apt update ; apt install -f ; dpkg --configure -a | 21:37 |
| sarnold | run those last two commands until they seem to make no changes | 21:37 |
| sarnold | then try a reboot, and then if things aren't more or less back to normal, then it'll take more effort to troubleshoot | 21:38 |
| carter | sarnold: I cannot log in to any tty, my username and password dont work | 21:39 |
| sarnold | carter: oh nooo, that's not good | 21:39 |
| sarnold | carter: if you hold down the left shift key when booting, you shuold be able to get to a grub menu, and there is probably a rescue mode of some sort that will help you bypass that | 21:40 |
| carter | sarnold: does every ubuntu user have a regulr username and password and a tty username and password? | 21:40 |
| sarnold | carter: I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "regular username and password" | 21:41 |
| carter | sarnold: I assumed that my username and password to log in to ubuntu are the sames to log in to tty | 21:41 |
| carter | my 'normal' username and password dont work | 21:41 |
| sarnold | carter: do they require a specific keyboard configuration to type? | 21:42 |
| carter | no, plain american keyboard, if you mean that | 21:43 |
| carter | Im now root from grub. every command you suggested sarnold returns sub process returned an error code 1 | 21:50 |
| carter | terminal suggested fix broken install, same result | 21:51 |
| sarnold | carter: yikes .. the apt update might fail if there's no networking up, that kind of makes sense | 21:52 |
| sarnold | carter: but the others should *do* stuff, unless things are fine .. did they actually do things and eventually fail? or was it immediate failure? | 21:52 |
| Geo | I'm currently on 22.04, and when I do a do-release-upgrade, it says there is no development version of an LTS available- has something changed on how to updgrade? /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is set to lts. | 21:53 |
| carter | sarnold: when I tried it with the gui, they did stuff and eventually failed | 21:53 |
| sarnold | Geo: we don't usually advertise the next LTS release until the .1 version, in a few months | 21:54 |
| sarnold | Geo: you can try do-release-upgrade -d if you want to do it now | 21:54 |
| Geo | Ah, got it. thanks! | 21:54 |
| Geo | any reason I should or should not do it now? | 21:54 |
| Geo | other than getting the initial bugs out I guess | 21:54 |
| carter | sarnold: sudo apt update returns> failed to fetch http..... could not connect to 127.0.0.1>9120 connection refused | 21:55 |
| sarnold | Geo: not that I know of, but carter seems to have hit something unpleasant :( | 21:55 |
| carter | so, im behind a proxy? | 21:55 |
| cbreak | Geo: when I updated my 22.04 it first updated to 23.10, and then to 24.04 | 21:55 |
| IMTheNachoMan | I’m moving from Debian to Ubuntu (Kubuntu) for my daily driver. I’m very familiar with Debian. Is there anything I need to know about Ubuntu that behaves vastly differently? I assume not. | 21:56 |
| sarnold | carter: yeah that's what that sounds like -- maybe squid-deb-proxy, maybe apt-cacher-ng (but both use different default ports) -- i'm not sure what would be on that port | 21:56 |
| carter | how did I upgrade till then? I was always behind a proxy | 21:56 |
| sarnold | it probably worked before and is busted now :/ | 21:57 |
| carter | sarnold: should I install apt-cacher-ng? | 21:58 |
| sarnold | carter: no :) | 21:58 |
| sarnold | carter: apt-cacher-ng tends to give people hash-sum mismatches :( | 21:58 |
| sarnold | carter: maybe grep -r 9120 /etc/apt and see if you can find a line to comment out? | 21:59 |
| carter | that command returns nothing sarnold | 22:01 |
| sarnold | hrmph. I wonder where that came from then? | 22:01 |
| carter | sarnold: thats tor I remember now | 22:02 |
| sarnold | aha! | 22:02 |
| sarnold | I don't know how to disable the tor socksifier thing | 22:02 |
| carter | sarnold: do you mean I could open geany from here and comment my etc out? | 22:03 |
| carter | no, geany wont work here, right? | 22:03 |
| Geo | sarnold: well, good luck with it :) | 22:03 |
| sarnold | Geo: thanks :) | 22:03 |
| sarnold | carter: yeah, better to not try to get graphics working just yet :) | 22:04 |
| sarnold | carter: try nano? I think that's the new 'friendly' terminal editor | 22:04 |
| carter | sudo nano? | 22:04 |
| sarnold | if you're already in a root shell there's no need for the 'sudo' part | 22:04 |
| sarnold | nano /etc/whatever/foo will open the file for editing, and give you a tiny menu at the bottom with the keyboard shortcuts for saving and quitting | 22:05 |
| carter | help me with my English: write out = save? | 22:07 |
| sarnold | yes | 22:07 |
| carter | jesus, is that an O or a Q? | 22:08 |
| carter | sarnold: I pressed ctrl + O and then enter, then enter again. did I save? | 22:09 |
| sarnold | carter: maybe? I never actually used nano :( | 22:10 |
| carter | wt...? same results, failed to fetch... | 22:12 |
| sarnold | what file did you edit, what change did you make? | 22:13 |
| carter | privoxy, the only one I ever changed | 22:19 |
| carter | everything else is default afaik | 22:19 |
| sarnold | how do applications know that they need to use privoxy? | 22:20 |
| carter | I have no idea | 22:20 |
| carter | do I have to reboot the system so changes take effect? | 22:20 |
| sarnold | well, somethning somewhere has to tell programs to try the proxy | 22:21 |
| sarnold | it could be http_proxy environment variable | 22:21 |
| sarnold | or per-program configuration | 22:21 |
| carter | ... | 22:22 |
| carter | sarnold: what command could I use to check if internet is working? | 22:23 |
| sarnold | carter: well, that's challenging to answer. 'ping 8.8.8.8 | 22:23 |
| sarnold | carter: .. will tell you if your packets are getting off your network to reaching a google dns server | 22:23 |
| sarnold | carter: if that works, 'ping google.com' will tell you if your dns seems to be working | 22:24 |
| carter | it could be... | 22:24 |
| carter | I like changing macs, which means I configured the wireless app not to start on booting | 22:25 |
| carter | if I need to rewrite the whole command, im effed | 22:25 |
| carter | can I get a list of commands as root? maybe the last 100? | 22:25 |
| carter | not root commands, regular user ones | 22:26 |
| sarnold | you can check your ~/.bash_history file | 22:28 |
| sarnold | it's not perfect :/ depending upon when you closed your terminals, in what order, etc, your commends may or may not be there | 22:28 |
| carter | sarnold: happy to hear more suggestions | 22:44 |
| sarnold | carter: alas, i don't really have the time to do a full learning how privoxy works and how it was configured, etc :( maybe you don't actually need network access to get this thing sorted out, but "lets install any updates that are available" is usually a worthwhile troubleshooting step, maybe someone fixed a bug that you tripped on :) | 22:45 |
| sarnold | carter: if apt install -f and dpkg --configure -a look happy now, then maybe it's worth a reboot and see how it goes? | 22:46 |
| carter | no, forget privoxy, im now trying to restore wifi | 22:46 |
| sarnold | I usually use nmcli to bring my networking up and down, it's all configured through network manager | 22:47 |
| sarnold | if you need temporary networking maybe wpa_supplicant is the thing to use directly | 22:47 |
| carter | sarnold: could you write that command for a wpa supplicant? | 22:54 |
| sarnold | carter: on my 20.04 laptop I've got this process: /sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s -O /run/wpa_supplicant | 22:57 |
| carter | sarnold: how can I see a tree structure of my ssd as root? | 23:03 |
| sarnold | carter: tree ? | 23:06 |
| sarnold | carter: if tree doesn't work, what would you like it to show differently? | 23:06 |
| Soni | when is ubuntu gonna embrace WebUSB? | 23:46 |
| YeahMate | Hi. How can I implement DKIM using software sourced from the 'main' repository? | 23:48 |
| Tingo | YeahMate: Hi, its include little bit more extra configuration related to Postfix.. | 23:56 |
| sarnold | YeahMate: libmail-dkim-perl is in main | 23:56 |
| Tingo | YeahMate: Normally, it will install opendkim with its toolss.. sudo apt install opendkim opendkim-tools | 23:56 |
| YeahMate | Tingo thanks, opendkim is in the universe repository which I can't use. I will checkout that libmail-dkim-perl package. Thanks | 23:58 |
| YeahMate | sarnold thanks | 23:58 |
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