[00:00] <cbreak> LuckyMan: that won't make a difference here, neither wayland nor x is running that early in the boot process
[00:00] <cbreak> I did try wayland a bit some time ago, but it doesn't work too well with kde 5
[00:01] <ali1234> trying to upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04. what is "shim" and why is it held back?
[00:01] <cbreak> and ubuntu hasn't updated to 6 yet
[00:01] <cbreak> ali1234: something used for secure boot
[00:03] <LuckyMan> ali1234, I think held back just means it will be installed later at some point when the right version comes out.
[00:05] <ali1234> the new version of shim depends on a version of shim-signed that doesn't exist in the repositories
[00:06] <ali1234> wait, that's not quite right
[00:06] <ali1234> there's a new version of shim, but shim-signed depends on the current version, and there is no new version of shim-signed. so shim cannot be updated
[00:07] <ali1234> so therefore i cannot do-release-upgrade
[00:08] <ali1234> can i force it to ignore the un-updated package?
[00:08] <ali1234> worst case it trashes the install and i just wipe it and start again... if i can't upgrade it i'm going to have to do that anyway
[00:12] <LuckyMan> ali1234, do you have a backup?
[00:12] <ali1234> yes
[00:12] <LuckyMan> so why not do a fresh install?
[00:12] <ali1234> i don't have install media
[00:13] <LuckyMan> that's what I did
[00:13] <LuckyMan> oops
[00:13] <LuckyMan> you should have anyway, if things go wrong...
[00:14] <ali1234> i dont have any spare flash drives to put install media on
[00:14] <ali1234> because who even uses those any more? everything is cloud now
[00:14] <LuckyMan> you only have one computer?
[00:15] <ali1234> they are as dead as cd-roms
[00:15] <ali1234> no, i have loads of computers
[00:15] <ali1234> if i want to copy files between them i use ssh
[00:15] <LuckyMan> so copy your usb media files to another computer
[00:15] <ali1234> what files?
[00:16] <LuckyMan> the ones you have on the usb drive you "cannot" spare
[00:16] <ali1234> the only USB drives i have is a stack of 4x4TB USB3 hard drives that i use for backups
[00:17] <LuckyMan> omg... a usb stick costs 3€...
[00:17] <ali1234> it's 1am
[00:17] <ali1234> otherwise i'd go and buy one
[00:17] <LuckyMan> just wait for tomorrow
[00:18] <LuckyMan> one day is not the end of the worls
[00:18] <LuckyMan> s/worls/world
[00:19] <LuckyMan> one night in your case
[00:38] <zmc> Systemd is starting a copy of dbus, pipewire and pipewire-media session for every user on boot even if they are not logged in.  How can I make it stop doing that?
[00:39] <ali1234> okay i found the problem. i have a shim-signed package that starts with "1.41" when the latest version starts with "1.40"
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[01:23] <Ballin> hello!
[01:24] <Ballin> hi!
[01:24] <Ballin> hello?
[01:48] <ruser> i'm doing a 23.10 ->24.04  upgrade, however  it seems that os-prober (this is indeed a dual boot for now) seems to be hung up .... not sure what to do. https://termbin.com/8q9s
[01:49] <ruser> also, hello.
[01:50] <ruser> I can kill the os-prober and re-run manually, after the upgrade done. does that seem reasonable?
[01:52] <ruser> i don't understand why would it hang though
[01:52] <sarnold> I wonder what it's doing?
[01:52] <sarnold> state S, zero seconds consumed, it's not doing much :)
[01:52] <ruser> right
[01:52] <sarnold> why'd it spend half an hour doing nothing?
[01:53] <sarnold> I don't dual boot myself so I'm not sure how useful it is :( but I deleted it entirely from my systems because I hated waiting for it every update
[01:54] <ruser> i'm slowly moving that way, though occasional gaming gets me
[01:54] <sarnold> I wonder what happens if you delete it -- will it leave your old working configuration alone?
[01:54] <ruser> delete which? flip the flag to false?
[01:54] <sarnold> sorry, delete os-prober
[01:55] <ruser> one could just disable it in /etc/default/grub  by setting #GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false
[01:56] <ruser> s/false/true/
[01:56] <sarnold> that might be less knee-jerk :) heh
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[01:59] <ruser> can i abort this upgrade?
[01:59] <ruser> as-in safely
[02:00] <ruser> dmesg isn't showing anything interesting
[02:00] <sarnold> ruser: if it were me I'd kill those specific processes, not the whole update
[02:10] <ruser> well.. it keeps re-running it
[02:13] <sarnold> :(
[02:13] <sarnold> maybe file a bug on the thing before it's gone? ubuntu-bug os-prober will probably do the right thing
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[02:15] <ruser> there was another another issue before, it was finding windows boot  twice, i wonder if this is connected
[02:16] <ruser> something i didn't quite get to sorting out
[02:19] <ruser> also not one but two os_probers  in /etc/grub.d
[02:20] <ruser> 30_os-prober 31_os-prober
[02:27] <ruser> on top of it ... and then there is /usr/bin/os-prober
[02:28] <sarnold> two configs? that's kinda busted-sounded
[02:29] <rbox> two configs are better than one
[02:32] <ruser> is it due to upgrade? maybe it's another version?  idk
[03:09] <ruser> i should have tried to peek at it with lsof. hmm
[03:32] <ruser> ok, so looks like os-prober doesn't do well with zfs
[03:44] <NeilRG> how do I check if there are any kernel updates?
[03:44] <NeilRG> restarting, bbias
[04:17] <NeilRG> how do I update my kernel to 6.9?
[04:18] <rbox> there is a mainline kernel ppa
[04:19] <NeilRG> rbox, is this not recommended?  I thought dist-upgrade would automatically update my kernel
[04:19] <rbox> dist-upgrade iwll update to whatever is in the repos
[04:19] <rbox> so if its not in the repos, its not going to magically get it
[04:20] <NeilRG> okay but why don't the repos include the mainline kernel?
[04:21] <rbox> because they dont
[04:22] <rbox> that what the ppa is for
[04:22] <NeilRG> I just have some weird UI bugs, and I'm wondering if updating the kernel or Gnome might solve them
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[07:17] <siak> If I want to use OpenSSL version of the squid, should I rebuild it? Or can get it from a repo somehow?
[07:27] <siak> I also liked to ask if anyone knows why the squid in ubuntu repos is not build with OpenSSL?
[07:33] <ravage> https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/squid-openssl
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[08:24] <shinjuku> Hi! This bug still Undecided / Unassigned ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/2064935
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> bad url shinjuku ?
[08:29] <shinjuku>  lotuspsychje: this correct url, you can see is here https://pasteboard.co/cK6Ch9L4KyLx.png
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: you filed a private crash bug, those are only visible for developers due security reasons
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: what you could try, is browsing the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-provision/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0 and see if you can find a similar bug to yours thats public
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: but if others have a crash too, its also gonna be private
[08:34] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: looking at it superficially I don’t see anything similar, but thanks
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: ok, surely the devs will handle your crash bug internaly, thanks for filing your bug and make Ubuntu better!
[08:49] <shinjuku>  lotuspsychje: are there developers online in this chat who have access to private bug reports? Should I wait for a response to a closed bug report, or can I not wait a year?
[08:56] <|N3on21|> hello world I'm having a problem with audio on my Ubuntu pc
[08:56] <|N3on21|> when tasking between programs the audio cuts out for 3 sec
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: this support channel has developers, volunteers and operators, but usualy the developers will work behind the scenes
[09:19] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: Okay. I see that a response to a private bug report may not be expected in the near future, in general. Thanx
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: no response, does not mean its not being taking care of, every bug report counts in the community
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[10:36] <ixdap> I have an xps13 9300 (the 10th gen one) where the display cable is gone and I leave it plugged into a usb-c monitor. I vaguely recall that was a little to setup correctly, but it has been working for years. I am mostly running Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS because it still works. Until today, after running the pending upgrades.
[10:38] <ixdap> Comparing Xorg logs, it does look like it no longer detects the screen I am using. Given how stable this has been, and how inconvenient it is now hat the display cable has died on the laptop, I thought I should interact and not just sulk on my own!
[10:40] <ixdap> The relevant section of that comparison if you are interested: https://bpa.st/QSHQ
[10:49] <Guest36> Hello there, maybe someone here can help me. My computer, that runs in Linux, won't boot :-(
[10:51] <Guest36> And I know nothing about computers but are desperate for it to work
[10:58] <daft> Guest36, how far does it go. bootup grup or a kernel panic?
[10:59] <Guest36> A kernel panic, I think
[10:59] <jaco> is it advisable to upgrade to 24.04 after installing 23.10?
[10:59] <Guest36> I have tried to follow some videos on youtube, but mine asks for a password so it does not follow the same staeps as the video
[11:00] <Guest36> I know absolutely nothing about computers
[11:00] <jaco> Is it advisable to upgrade to 24.04 after installing 23.10?
[11:05] <ixdap> jaco, I believe that 23.10 was an interim release and is only scheduled to be maintained for 9 months.
[11:06] <jaco> okay so i can go ahead n upgrade to 24.04?
[11:09] <ixdap> I was a debian a user until I got this laptop, and I have been running 20.04 on it all that time. I actually haven't a clue about what upgrade pathways work in Ubuntu. I do have a separate install of 22.04 on here and the long term plan was to move into that, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
[11:12] <ixdap> jaco, but unless you have a good reason to stay on an unmaintained release, then the sensible advice would be to move to a release that is maintained. If you have to ask, then I would suggest an LTS release will buy you a lot more time.
[11:14] <Guest36> Can anyone help me?
[11:16] <ixdap> Guest36, have you tried booting a LIVE image? (is that the same thing on ubuntu?!)
[11:16] <Guest36> ixdap, how do I do that? I know NOTHING about computers :-(
[11:16] <ixdap> oh, I see. It was booting into linus, but now it is not?
[11:17] <Guest36> ixdap, When I start the computer it just stops at the Linux logo and doesn't go any further
[11:19] <ixdap> So, if I had a computer that didn't boot up properly, I would look for a rescue boot on the system, or boot from external media (or in the extreme case, if it is a headless server thousands of away in a colo, get a reload!)
[11:21] <ixdap> Guest36, Is it an ubuntu system? Was there any change that might have caused the problem?
[11:21] <Guest36> ixdap, I just don't understand anything about computers. Can you give advice for like an idiot?
[11:21] <Guest36> ixdap, I downloaded chrome
[11:22] <ixdap> Guest36, I can ask questions like an idiot :-)
[11:22] <Guest36> ixdap, A friend installed Linux and I think he encrypted everything
[11:25] <ixdap> Guest36, yeah, somewhere in the last 30 years it all got really crazy with the crypto. Used to be that the internet was a like a village and technical folk would just shell in an out of all kinds of boxes. It was very friendly.
[11:26] <Guest36> ixdap, I just don't know what to do :-(
[11:26] <ixdap> Guest36, if you have a chromebook, there is a recovery thing you can do even if you are locked out (I suppose because the data is in the cloud)
[11:27] <Guest36> ixdap, it is a Sony Vaio
[11:28] <daft> Guest36, https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/try-ubuntu-before-you-install#1-getting-started this tells how how to install a live usb.
[11:29] <Guest36> daft, I will try to follow the instructions. Thank you so much :-)
[11:32] <daft> If that boots is a software problem if it fails a hardware problem. (normally)
[11:32] <daft> Best in your case it dont try to repair it but recover your data and do a fresh install.
[11:35] <Guest36> daft, how do I download the ubuntu to a usb? I don't understand the tutorial and this computer I use now is not mine
[11:35] <ananke> Guest36: which tutorial?
[11:35] <ananke> ohh, nevermind
[11:37] <daft> is your current pc windows?
[11:37] <Guest36> daft, yes, I think so
[11:38] <daft> if you press the windows key and type cmd do you get a command prompt then your on windows i think
[11:38] <daft> can you install software?
[11:38] <Guest36> daft, it is windows. I have a usb key
[11:40] <daft> this page will download the iso. https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[11:41] <Guest36> daft, then how do I get it from the desktop to the usb - and thank you so much for your time
[11:42] <daft> this is a tool to put isos on usb https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/imager/imager_latest.exe  it is written for raspberry pi but you can select any iso image. Its just works
[11:42] <daft> with out any hard questions
[11:42] <Guest36> daft, what is isos?
[11:43] <daft> iso is a format for cdroms usbdrives and dvds
[11:43] <daft> it its a binary file containing the image that should be put on the usb.
[11:43] <Guest36> daft, so I download Ubuntu to the computer and then?
[11:43] <daft> "burn" it using the tool i gave you on the usb
[11:44] <Guest36> daft, I'm sorry for being so ignorant :-)
[11:45] <daft> np. totally toast from my cyber training need some thing else for a bit
[11:46] <daft> anyway when i got the iso "printed" on the usb using the tool put it in your linux laptop and make sure it boots from the usb stick. I hope that is set. or else your in trouble its diffrent on every system
[11:53] <iydheko> Hi
[11:54] <iydheko> hi
[11:55] <iydheko> there's someone?
[11:55] <iydheko> hello
[11:56] <toddc> ask! : iydheko
[11:58] <toddc> iydheko please ask your questions
[11:58] <iydheko> nothing, just saying hi :)
[12:00] <webchat30> Hi!
[12:00] <webchat30> I have a question:
[12:00] <ixdap_> recap: my laptop has no screen, but it worked with a usb screen under 20.04 until the latest upgrade. I have posted before and after xorg log comparison to https://bpa.st/QSHQ
[12:01] <webchat30> I've upgraded to Kubuntu 24.04 yesterday and since then, my mouse and keyboard are not working reliably any more
[12:01] <webchat30> Mouse problem: Every half hour or so when I try to scroll down, it scrolls back up by itself
[12:01] <webchat30> Keyboard: When I Alt-Tab between window, in the new window half the keys on the keyboard don't work anymore
[12:02] <webchat30> When I swicth windows a couple more times, they usually work again
[12:02] <webchat30> does anyone know what might cause this?
[12:02] <webchat30> I would open a ticket, but I have no idea which package could be responsible
[12:03] <ixdap_> webchat30, dunno where to start with debugging directly, but I wonder if the same problems would occur under a different desktop environment?
[12:05] <ixdap_> Sounds like quite an obvious problem. Is there some way to check to see if someone already posted such a bug? apart from irc that is :-)
[12:07] <ixdap_> Is twm still a thing?
[12:09] <ixdap_> my time machine has arrived ...
[12:12] <webchat30> ixdap_ I suppose I could try to install Gnome or something, but 'im kind of afraid that will mess the system up even more..
[12:13] <webchat30> I tried the search function on launchpad and also Google, but couldn't find anything among the many many results
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[12:54] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: maybe you might have more luck at #kubuntu asking for known bugs came out recently?
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:03] <webchat30> lotuspsychje I tried that, but that channel seems pretty dead
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: ok, maybe you can !paste your full dmesg and share the url here with the volunteers, they can have a look for you
[13:39] <webchat30> lotuspsychje alright, I've pasted the output here: https://bpa.st/PHCA
[13:46] <ndh> Hello. My laptop just dies without a warning when it runs out of battery. There's no notification, and it doesn't go to sleep. I'm on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS. This seems like a bug to me. And a quite severe one, given that loss of data is likely. Where can I report it?
[13:48] <webchat30> just noticed that the keyboard problem is even weirder than I thought: Just now, I could not move the cursor with the arrow up/down keys, but Alt+Arrow down/up works..
[13:49] <ndh> Nevermind. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/d-conf/+bug/1492174
[13:49] <ndh> Nobody seems to give a s**t.
[13:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1492174 in d-conf (Ubuntu) "Notebook does not shutdown when battery is critically low" [Medium, Confirmed]
[14:06] <ruser> Hello....    i've disabled os-prober in /etc/default/grub by setting Check GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER documentation entry.
[14:06] <ruser> sorry
[14:10] <ruser> Hello....    i've disabled os-prober in /etc/default/grub by setting GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true   however when the new kernel is getting installed for some reason it still runs os-prober and the process overwrites my config file in /etc/default/grub.  This is 23.10->24.04 upgrade gone wrong, on ZFS. on top of it for some reason there are /two/  os-probers in /etc/grub.d/   30_os-prober and 31_os-prober.
[14:10] <ruser> Previously i killed the os-prober  processes when it hung repeatedly while trying to mount grub-mount in Sleep state.
[14:10] <ruser> How do make apt upgrade respect my  /etc/default/grub settings and not run os-prober?
[14:11] <ravage> Uninstall os-prober
[14:12] <ruser> https://nopaste.net/bdT32lhb8S
[14:14] <ruser> well, which script and why is overwriting my defaults?
[14:14] <ruser> what's the point of the config if it's not respected.
[14:19] <ruser> ravage: looks like removing it does solve my problem
[14:20] <ruser> though now i need to figure out how to add back windows  into the chain
[14:21] <ruser> i guess /etc/grub.d/xx_custom
[14:25] <ruser> apparently apt remove os-prober  didn't clean up the scripts in /etc/grub.d/. Would it be safe to remove them?  I guess i should have run purge.  What's the best way to clean the junk left by it?
[14:29] <Jeetu> Ubuntu 24.04 have following versions of python3-requests, python3-urllib3 and python3-docker packages:
[14:29] <Jeetu> $ apt list --installed | grep python3-urllib3
[14:29] <Jeetu> python3-urllib3/noble,now 2.0.7-1 all [installed,automatic]
[14:29] <Jeetu> $ apt list --installed | grep python3-requests
[14:29] <Jeetu> python3-requests/noble,now 2.31.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1 all [installed,automatic]
[14:29] <Jeetu> intel@gramine2404:~/docker-7.0.0$  apt list --installed | grep python3-docker
[14:29] <Jeetu> python3-docker/noble,now 5.0.3-1ubuntu1 all [installed]
[14:29] <Jeetu> `python3-docker=5.0.3-1ubuntu1` seem to have a bug described [here](https://github.com/docker/docker-py/issues/3113) and fixed in version [6.1.0](https://github.com/docker/docker-py/releases/tag/6.1.0) with PR [3116](https://github.com/docker/docker-py/pull/3116).
[14:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 3113 in docker/docker-py "urllib3 v2 incompatibility" [Closed]
[14:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Pull 3116 in docker/docker-py "Make compatible with requests 2.29.0 and urllib3 2.0" [Merged]
[14:30] <Jeetu> Hence Ubuntu 24.04 must upgrade `python3-docker` package to `>=6.1.0`
[14:33] <Jeetu> Is this the right channel t report or could someone point me to the correct channel for reporting it?
[14:33] <leftyfb> !bug | Jeetu
[14:33] <ubottu> Jeetu: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[14:34] <ruser> ravage: ty
[14:35] <Jeetu> Thanks trying ` ubuntu-bug python3-docker`
[14:42] <ruser> Also, sorry some dumb questions, i forgot how to do some things,  can I  safely remove wpa_supplicant from a desktop system without a wifi card onboard, but with bluetooth?  How do i know which pacakge provides it?
[14:56] <cixx> hi
[14:56] <cixx> i changed network connection from wifi to lan and firefox doesnt open now
[14:57] <cixx> when i try to open firefox on command line, i get below message
[14:57] <cixx>  /user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-3.scope is not a snap cgroup
[14:57] <cixx> when i check internet connection via curl, it is successful
[14:59] <Jeetu> Could you try below code lines on Ubuntu 24.04 terminal:
[14:59] <Jeetu> $ python3
[14:59] <Jeetu> >>> import docker;
[14:59] <Jeetu> >>> docker_socket = docker.from_env()
[14:59] <Jeetu> last line report the issue
[15:04] <ixdap2> I was here earlier. I have a laptop with a dead display and a connection to a usb screen that stopped working after an upgrade. Went down a rabbit hole of dkms, evdi, readme, eatme ... Turns out I had filled my disk, doh!
[15:16] <_jak> hey y'all; If I'm making systemd units for my user only, I place them in `~/.config/systemd/user`, yeah? I'm confused that the services I define there aren't visible to systemctl, even after `systemctl daemon-reload --user`
[15:16] <_jak> Also, when I look at `systemd-analyze --user unit-paths` and `systemctl --user show -p UnitPath --value` they both say ~/.config/systemd/user.control rather than ~/.config/systemd/user
[15:17] <_jak> but mv-ing ~/.config/systemd/user to ~/.config/systemd/user.control didn't have any effect. What am I missing?
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[15:20] <leftyfb> _jak: you need to enable the service file. Give it the full path
[15:24] <_jak> leftyfb: d'oh! Thanks, its still early over here
[15:32] <ioria> cixx, is that via VNC ?
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: in your dmesg i see logitech devices loading at 1260
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: are you using hubs or other usb ports of some kind?
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: Kernel is locked down from EFI Secure Boot mode; see man kernel_lockdown.7
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: maybe try disabling secureboot as a test, that can influence some hardware
[16:10] <webchat30> lotuspsychje there's no hub, the mouse and keyboard are directly plugged into the box
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> allrighty
[16:11] <webchat30> there are some usb chargers connected on top of that, but I don't suppose they would make a difference?
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: i would try secureboot first, see if that fixes or not
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[16:12] <webchat30> I'll try the secureboot thing. Now that you mention it, there was some message during update, it wanted to reset a file called something like fwupd. I said yes, because it sounded like it was only related to firmware updates, but well, that was just a guess
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: dont think its related to fwupd
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: any luck?
[16:24] <webchat30> lotuspsychje: not 100% sure yet, but I think that may have done the trick
[16:25] <webchat30> that keyboard thing is a bit sporadic, so I'd have to try for a bit and see if it crops up again, but I also had some wonky behavior in firefox and that is gone now
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: there are some other noble bugs out there, that might influence your desktop too, let me know if something else happens
[16:26] <webchat30> alright, will do.
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: are you on xorg or wayland?
[16:26] <webchat30> Thanks for the help so far, this was really driving me crazy :-)
[16:27] <webchat30> Good question
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome webchat30
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> webchat30: default you would boot into wayland
[16:28] <webchat30> I'm running Kubuntu/KDE, I don't think they default to wayland yet
[16:28] <webchat30> yeah, it says X11 in KDe info center
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> ok webchat30
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> im testing gnome mostly myself, so cant advice much on kubuntu's desktop bugs
[16:31] <webchat30> yeah no worries, I'll go bug the kde people if I can find something I can pin to kde sppecifically :-)
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[18:00] <loswedseded> I tried upgrading 23.10 to 24.04 and got 2 broken packages: Libpulsemainloop and libfreerdp2-2. If I mark em for deletion a gazilliion of packages I need will be deleted as well. lsb_release -a shows the distro as 23.10, not 24.04, what do I do now?
[18:00] <loswedseded> cannot upgrade repos either
[18:10] <aldcor> hi! I installed tor browser via tor launcher (installed with apt) and I can't keyboard doesn't work in it
[18:18] <bleusman> hello
[18:18] <bleusman> i get this when starting wine: 0090:fixme:wineusb:query_id Unhandled ID query type 0x5.
[18:18] <bleusman> Segmentation fault
[18:18] <bleusman> any ideas ?
[18:30] <N3rdle58> Hi All. Has anyone else tried to install the ubuntu-desktop packages on an arm64 server yet?
[18:36] <younder> Ubuntu 24.04 uses Clang 18.. Any idea why it reports <atomic> file not found?
[18:37] <younder> Latest build of Odin
[18:53] <loswedseded> can anyone help me delete libfreerdp2-2? it's not in /var/lib/dpkg/info/, but the terminal means it is?
[18:53] <loswedseded> this happened upgrading from 23.10 to 24.04
[18:54] <loswedseded> I've tried every way here https://phoenixnap.com/kb/fix-sub-process-usr-bin-dpkg-returned-error-code-1
[18:56] <cixx> hi.
[18:58] <cixx> i am trying to use ssh tunnel over a virtual machine which is running ubuntu. in fact, it was working before. port is open. data sent and received. but somehow it stops before receiving all data. i installed another machine which is running fedora and ssh tunnel works over it. what could be the reason ubuntu prevent ssh tunnel? i checked ufw and it
[18:58] <cixx> is disabled
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[19:43] <_jak> hey y'all, another systemd question. Let's say I have a unit that I only want enabled when I'm using xmonad as my window manager. How would I do that?
[19:45] <_jak> I thought I could just figure out which scope xmonad was started in and set After=session-N.scope but I didn't realize the N was dynamically generated so it's not the same every time
[19:51] <cbreak> _jak: have you tried the PartOf= thing described here: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.unit.html ?
[19:54] <_jak> cbreak: The tricky thing is is that the unit that starts xmonad is a transient scope, so I can't write down what unit its PartOf in the service file
[19:55] <cbreak> I use kde, I'd try to bind it to plasma-kwin_x11.service
[19:55] <cbreak> one of the services that's started in my session
[19:56] <cbreak> does it not work if you pick one of those listed in systemctl status?
[19:58] <sixwheeledbeast> After=xmonad.service ?
[19:59] <_jak> cbreak: the other tricky thing is that I *don't* want these units to start if xmonad isn't started, so anything that would start when I use another window manager is out
[19:59] <_jak> sixwheeledbeast: as far as I can tell, there isn't an xmonad.service. I did systemctl status $pid_of_xmonad and found out that the unit that started xmonad was session-2.scope; last reboot it was session-4.scope
[20:00] <_jak> I'm not against making an xmonad service, I just don't want to make something that will conflict with how ubuntu starts it normally
[20:03] <sixwheeledbeast> I haven't a KDE system to look.
[20:03] <_jak> I'm not using KDE anyhow
[20:03] <_jak> I do appreciate the help in any case!
[20:04] <oerheks> After=xmonad.service looks reasonable?
[20:06] <_jak> oerheks: That would certainly work if there were an xmonad.service, but there doesn't seem to be one
[20:07] <cbreak> _jak: in my system, I have a session.slice, which has a bunch of services under it, among them plasma-kded.service, which has a bunch of processes associated. The slice doesn't have any processes directly
[20:07] <cbreak> is this different for xmonad?
[20:07] <cbreak> do you use a display manager to start it like ssdm?
[20:09] <cbreak> (sddm)
[20:09] <_jak> cbreak: I'm using whatever the default display manager is I guess? I haven't attempted to customize it
[20:09] <_jak> cbreak: I also have session.slice, but xmonad isn't part of it
[20:10] <_jak> if I look at the output of systemctl status, xmonad is started in session-2.scope
[20:11] <_jak> there seems to be a session-N.scope for each login session that's started, i.e. there's one for each console session I started, etc. etc.
[20:14] <cbreak> and there's no target file for xmonad in your /usr/lib/systemd ?
[20:21] <_jak> cbreak: I think that's the missing piece of context that I needed! There's no xmonad.target but there is a gnome-session-x11.target that references xmonad. So I guess I'm using gdm to start everything
[20:22] <_jak> I'm gonna go check to see if this will work as expected; thanks for all your help!
[20:22] <cbreak> weird... I thought gnome used some other wm
[20:23] <cbreak> there's no xmonad in apt, maybe you installed it in a weird way
[20:24] <cbreak> hmm... no, the update to 24.04 just broke something in my apt, it shows up if I search as root...
[20:25] <sixwheeledbeast> So it's an option in the DM? I have never used it
[20:26] <cbreak> when installing a new window manager / desktop environment, it should show up in your display manager (on the login screen) as additional selectable option
[20:28] <cbreak> https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/amd64/xmonad/filelist lists two in /usr/share/xsessions/
[20:54] <loswedseded> could anyone tell me how to manually install this package? https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/mantic/freerdp2
[20:54] <loswedseded> downloaded, terminal open, now what?
[21:04] <leftyfb> loswedseded: sudo apt install freerdp2-x11 or freerdp2-wayland , depending on which you are running
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[21:34] <carter> help
[21:35] <sarnold> irc works better with more specific questions :)
[21:35] <carter> a half baked upgrade to 24.10 broke my system. Now if I let it log in it directs me to a tty1 and im asked to enter a login and a password
[21:35] <carter> 24.04 from 23.10
[21:36] <sarnold> ugh
[21:36] <carter> I dont know what to type
[21:37] <sarnold> I suggest logging in, sudo -i to get a root shell, then: apt update ; apt install -f ; dpkg --configure -a
[21:37] <sarnold> run those last two commands until they seem to make no changes
[21:38] <sarnold> then try a reboot, and then if things aren't more or less back to normal, then it'll take more effort to troubleshoot
[21:39] <carter> sarnold: I cannot log in to any tty, my username and password dont work
[21:39] <sarnold> carter: oh nooo, that's not good
[21:40] <sarnold> carter: if you hold down the left shift key when booting, you shuold be able to get to a grub menu, and there is probably a rescue mode of some sort that will help you bypass that
[21:40] <carter> sarnold: does every ubuntu user have a regulr username and password and a tty username and password?
[21:41] <sarnold> carter: I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "regular username and password"
[21:41] <carter> sarnold: I assumed that my username and password to log in to ubuntu are the sames to log in to tty
[21:41] <carter> my 'normal' username and password dont work
[21:42] <sarnold> carter: do they require a specific keyboard configuration to type?
[21:43] <carter> no, plain american keyboard, if you mean that
[21:50] <carter> Im now root from grub. every command you suggested sarnold returns sub process returned an error code 1
[21:51] <carter> terminal suggested fix broken install, same result
[21:52] <sarnold> carter: yikes .. the apt update might fail if there's no networking up, that kind of makes sense
[21:52] <sarnold> carter: but the others should *do* stuff, unless things are fine .. did they actually do things and eventually fail? or was it immediate failure?
[21:53] <Geo> I'm currently on 22.04, and when I do a do-release-upgrade, it says there is no development version of an LTS available- has something changed on how to updgrade? /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is set to lts.
[21:53] <carter> sarnold: when I tried it with the gui, they did stuff and eventually failed
[21:54] <sarnold> Geo: we don't usually advertise the next LTS release until the .1 version, in a few months
[21:54] <sarnold> Geo: you can try do-release-upgrade -d  if you want to do it now
[21:54] <Geo> Ah, got it. thanks!
[21:54] <Geo> any reason I should or should not do it now?
[21:54] <Geo> other than getting the initial bugs out I guess
[21:55] <carter> sarnold: sudo apt update returns> failed to fetch http..... could not connect to 127.0.0.1>9120 connection refused
[21:55] <sarnold> Geo: not that I know of, but carter seems to have hit something unpleasant :(
[21:55] <carter> so, im behind a proxy?
[21:55] <cbreak> Geo: when I updated my 22.04 it first updated to 23.10, and then to 24.04
[21:56] <IMTheNachoMan> I’m moving from Debian to Ubuntu (Kubuntu) for my daily driver. I’m very familiar with Debian. Is there anything I need to know about Ubuntu that behaves vastly differently? I assume not.
[21:56] <sarnold> carter: yeah that's what that sounds like -- maybe squid-deb-proxy, maybe apt-cacher-ng (but both use different default ports) -- i'm not sure what would be on that port
[21:56] <carter> how did I upgrade till then? I was always behind a proxy
[21:57] <sarnold> it probably worked before and is busted now :/
[21:58] <carter> sarnold: should I install apt-cacher-ng?
[21:58] <sarnold> carter: no :)
[21:58] <sarnold> carter: apt-cacher-ng tends to give people hash-sum mismatches :(
[21:59] <sarnold> carter: maybe grep -r 9120 /etc/apt  and see if you can find a line to comment out?
[22:01] <carter> that command returns nothing sarnold
[22:01] <sarnold> hrmph. I wonder where that came from then?
[22:02] <carter> sarnold: thats tor I remember now
[22:02] <sarnold> aha!
[22:02] <sarnold> I don't know how to disable the tor socksifier thing
[22:03] <carter> sarnold: do you mean I could open geany from here and comment my etc out?
[22:03] <carter> no, geany wont work here, right?
[22:03] <Geo> sarnold: well, good luck with it :)
[22:03] <sarnold> Geo: thanks :)
[22:04] <sarnold> carter: yeah, better to not try to get graphics working just yet :)
[22:04] <sarnold> carter: try nano? I think that's the new 'friendly' terminal editor
[22:04] <carter> sudo nano?
[22:04] <sarnold> if you're already in a root shell there's no need for the 'sudo' part
[22:05] <sarnold> nano /etc/whatever/foo   will open the file for editing, and give you a tiny menu at the bottom with the keyboard shortcuts for saving and quitting
[22:07] <carter> help me with my English: write out = save?
[22:07] <sarnold> yes
[22:08] <carter> jesus, is that an O or a Q?
[22:09] <carter> sarnold: I pressed ctrl + O and then enter, then enter again. did I save?
[22:10] <sarnold> carter: maybe? I never actually used nano :(
[22:12] <carter> wt...? same results, failed to fetch...
[22:13] <sarnold> what file did you edit, what change did you make?
[22:19] <carter> privoxy, the only one I ever changed
[22:19] <carter> everything else is default afaik
[22:20] <sarnold> how do applications know that they need to use privoxy?
[22:20] <carter> I have no idea
[22:20] <carter> do I have to reboot the system so changes take effect?
[22:21] <sarnold> well, somethning somewhere has to tell programs to try the proxy
[22:21] <sarnold> it could be http_proxy environment variable
[22:21] <sarnold> or per-program configuration
[22:22] <carter> ...
[22:23] <carter> sarnold: what command could I use to check if internet is working?
[22:23] <sarnold> carter: well, that's challenging to answer. 'ping 8.8.8.8
[22:23] <sarnold> carter: .. will tell you if your packets are getting off your network to reaching a google dns server
[22:24] <sarnold> carter: if that works, 'ping google.com' will tell you if your dns seems to be working
[22:24] <carter> it could be...
[22:25] <carter> I like changing macs, which means I configured the wireless app not to start on booting
[22:25] <carter> if I need to rewrite the whole command, im effed
[22:25] <carter> can I get a list of commands as root? maybe the last 100?
[22:26] <carter> not root commands, regular user ones
[22:28] <sarnold> you can check your ~/.bash_history file
[22:28] <sarnold> it's not perfect :/ depending upon when you closed your terminals, in what order, etc, your commends may or may not be there
[22:44] <carter> sarnold: happy to hear more suggestions
[22:45] <sarnold> carter: alas, i don't really have the time to do a full learning how privoxy works and how it was configured, etc :( maybe you don't actually need network access to get this thing sorted out, but "lets install any updates that are available" is usually a worthwhile troubleshooting step, maybe someone fixed a bug that you tripped on :)
[22:46] <sarnold> carter: if apt install -f and dpkg --configure -a  look happy now, then maybe it's worth a reboot and see how it goes?
[22:46] <carter> no, forget privoxy, im now trying to restore wifi
[22:47] <sarnold> I usually use nmcli to bring my networking up and down, it's all configured through network manager
[22:47] <sarnold> if you need temporary networking maybe wpa_supplicant is the thing to use directly
[22:54] <carter> sarnold: could you write that command for a wpa supplicant?
[22:57] <sarnold> carter: on my 20.04 laptop I've got this process: /sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s -O /run/wpa_supplicant
[23:03] <carter> sarnold: how can I see a tree structure of my ssd as root?
[23:06] <sarnold> carter: tree ?
[23:06] <sarnold> carter: if tree doesn't work, what would you like it to show differently?
[23:46] <Soni> when is ubuntu gonna embrace WebUSB?
[23:48] <YeahMate> Hi. How can I implement DKIM using software sourced from the 'main' repository?
[23:56] <Tingo> YeahMate: Hi, its include little bit more extra configuration related to Postfix..
[23:56] <sarnold> YeahMate: libmail-dkim-perl is in main
[23:56] <Tingo> YeahMate: Normally, it will install opendkim with its toolss.. sudo apt install opendkim opendkim-tools
[23:58] <YeahMate> Tingo thanks, opendkim is in the universe repository which I can't use. I will checkout that libmail-dkim-perl package. Thanks
[23:58] <YeahMate> sarnold thanks