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[09:06] <squashfs> anyone experienced with alma linux. is it good for home servers?
[09:09] <ogra_> weird question to ask in an ubuntu channel 🙂
[09:10] <squashfs> doesn't matter linux is linux they require nick verification in alma
[09:12] <squashfs> basically i want to set up my own pc and link it to domain for website instead of relying on 3rd party
[10:52] <squashfs> is ubuntu server more secure than rhel server
[10:53] <ravage1> We do not play the best distribution game here
[10:54] <squashfs> that means no
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[11:26] <oerheks> polling gives one logical answer
[14:20] <znf> What's the timeline for 24.04.1 ? 
[14:20] <oerheks> august
[14:20] <znf> damn
[14:20] <oerheks> see ' future' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam
[14:20] <znf> Hetzner doesn't offer 24.04 yet, and no do-release-upgrade until .1 
[14:21] <znf> that means I have to install it painfully via IPMI
[14:21] <znf> Has the noble mini.iso been updated to actually offer 24.04 ?
[14:21] <oerheks> check the releasenotes before you try
[14:22] <znf> No mention of mini.iso yet 
[14:22] <znf> man, I miss the old debian-installer mini.iso, that thing just worked
[14:22] <oerheks> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mini-iso/noble/daily-live/
[14:23] <oerheks> i would just use server for that too
[14:23] <znf> Booting a >1GB ISO image over IPMI is just incredibly painful 
[14:24] <oerheks> i read some reports that the mini iso downloads 4 images something
[14:24] <znf> that would be perfectly fine if it actually worked
[14:25] <znf> mounting the ISO remotely via IPMI on a non-single-digit latency link is just incredibly painful 
[14:25] <znf> what's `noble-live-server-arm64+largemem.iso` for?
[14:26] <znf> aka: what's "large" in this case?
[14:26] <znf> Over 4TB? 
[14:27] <znf> or should I use that for 512GB, too?
[14:27] <znf> oh wait
[14:27] <znf> arm64, I'm blind
[14:35] <ogra_> znf, you are aware that mini.iso has never been supported in ubuntu and effectively gave you a "debian configured ubuntu" install (i.e. copmpletely broken and unsupportable)
[14:36] <znf> I've installed hundreds of servers with the old mini.iso, never once I've seen it "completely broken"
[14:38] <ogra_> well, it had all debian defaults set ... like no locked root account, different package selection etc etc 
[14:38] <ogra_> it was just a by-product of building d-i but has never been offered as official install media 
[14:39] <znf> that was perfectly fine for me and countless other people :)
[14:39] <ogra_> well, d-i is gone and done ... (luckily) ... 
[14:39] <znf> meanwhile, subiquity has a weird partitioning system, weird networking setup, weird identity setup, and the worst offender is the size of the ISO 
[14:40] <ogra_> file bugs 😉
[14:40] <znf> nah, I'd rather not waste 1+ hour per bug to explain how/why, and then be offered a "won't fix" abel
[14:41] <znf> the partioner doesn't allow you to create a mbr/dos table, only gpt...
[14:41] <znf> when you do EFI, there's no way to tell the installer what size the esp partition to be, it's the installer's way or no way 
[14:42] <ogra_> well, not sure a bug report "i need to be able to size the EFI partition" actually needs 1h to file ... but your coice indeed 🙂
[14:43] <znf> adding multiple esp's (when you're doing raid1, for example), is very *not* intuitive, I know how to do it, but every one of my team mates that I've shown how were baffled and they wouldn't have figured it out in a million years by themselves
[14:43] <znf> when presented with multiple network interfaces, if only 1 is connected, the subiquity installer will set up all of the non-connected NICs to "dhcp" in the resulting netplan configuration... this has the awesome effect of having to wait like 10 minutes for the first boot if you happen to have 4+ NICs 
[14:44] <znf> when configuring a NIC static/manual, the installer requires you to specify the subnet in CIDR notation, for some reasons, I still don't understand why it can't just ask for IP address in CIDR notation and just assume the subnet from that
[17:12] <mybalzitch> you know what they say about assumptions
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[23:18] <znf> mybalzitch, it's networking... it's pretty "standard" at this point
[23:21] <sdeziel_> znf: I agree it's annoying (I reported this paper-cut long ago)
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[23:22] <sdeziel> znf: heh, ~6 years ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1777732
[23:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1777732 in subiquity "Manual network config uselessly asks for a 'Subnet'" [Wishlist, Triaged]
[23:23] <znf> that's why I don't bother making bug reports
[23:23] <znf> think I saw yours when I was looking to report it
[23:23] <znf> and it was already 3+ years old 
[23:25] <sdeziel> I try to report bugs when I cannot (or don't have time to) contribute patches
[23:28] <znf> it feels like the whole subiquity server installer was designed by someone that barely touched bare-metal systems and all their experience is on VMs and containers