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| luna_3 | thi computer 22.04 does not show me grub. what do I have to do to see the grub choices on restart? | 01:59 |
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| GeekDaD | luna_3: did you press del or esc on reboot? | 02:01 |
| luna_3 | on the computer that does show me grub no. on the other on no. Is that how I show grub? | 02:02 |
| GeekDaD | luna_3: or you jump into /etc/default/grub and add `GRUB_TIMEOUT=10` | 02:02 |
| GeekDaD | or modify it | 02:03 |
| luna_3 | Complex. I just want to know what key to press on boot to get grub to show. | 02:03 |
| GeekDaD | esc | 02:04 |
| luna_3 | thanks | 02:04 |
| GeekDaD | np | 02:04 |
| ocean | hey everyone | 04:23 |
| Bashing-om | ocean: How can we help you ? | 04:24 |
| ocean | i'm using lubuntu 22.04, i've been trying to figure out how to change the touchpad settings so that i can use two fingers to right click instead of clicking on the corner of the touchpad. this is a setting that can be found in gnome tweaks, but i cant find it anywhere in lxqt. what can i do to get two-finger right clicks? | 04:26 |
| === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ | ||
| RegularPaste | is using rc.local depreciated? What is the prefered method of running a script at boot/reboot? | 06:19 |
| rbox | make a systemd service | 06:25 |
| Psi-Jack | Waiiiit.. rbox is here? | 06:26 |
| rbox | i'm everywhere | 06:26 |
| Psi-Jack | Heh. Question is, do you run Ubuntu? | 06:27 |
| rbox | i run everything | 06:28 |
| rbox | and i run nothing | 06:28 |
| RegularPaste | rbox: thank you | 06:28 |
| Psi-Jack | I'm actually curiously tinkering with the idea of trying out Ubuntu for a bit, actually. I'm getting tired, old and want working. | 06:28 |
| Psi-Jack | Looking at Ubuntu 24.04's many little details done to the thing, other than the background colors of things, it looks freaking good. | 06:29 |
| rbox | its all the same crap in the end | 06:30 |
| Psi-Jack | I mean, yes, and no. It is, but some things are kept back a bit and not updated as much, some things update more often which can t end to break things | 06:31 |
| Psi-Jack | Oh sheash! NOW I find it, how to make the freaking folders in Nautilus not so freaking huge. | 06:32 |
| === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ | ||
| matthias__ | hi guys | 09:52 |
| matthias__ | hi ilvipero | 09:53 |
| gamergambit8 | is anyone able to help me with preseeding a ubuntu desktop 22.04.4 install? ideally i only want the timezone selection as i have everything setup. i have keyboard selection, network config and user setup all preseeded but cant seem to figure out how to skip the welcome screen, "updates and other software" screen, or partition screen (which im | 10:07 |
| gamergambit8 | trying to get to just use the entire drive). here are pictures of the screens i want to skip/preseed https://imgur.com/a/1EaRztb and here is my current preseed file https://pastebin.com/bgHgpp7b | 10:07 |
| vlt | Hello everyone! I installed ubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso with its current kernel on a “ThinkPad X1 2in1 Gen9”. Wifi and audio seem to work fine. How to make the built-in camera available? | 10:46 |
| vlt | lspci: https://termbin.com/7ezd | 10:47 |
| vlt | lsusb: https://termbin.com/f4n8 | 10:47 |
| vlt | The datasheet https://techtoday.lenovo.com/sites/default/files/2024-01/ThinkPad-X1-2-in-1-Gen%209-Datasheet-ww-en-pdf.pdf (last page) claims Linux Ubuntu runs on it. What do I need to do to make it available in my fresh Ubuntu install? | 10:48 |
| vlt | In this Lenovo document it looks like a pretty stock Ubuntu Gnome DE on that device: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/x1_carbon_gen12_2in1_gen9_linux_ug.pdf | 10:49 |
| JanC | vlt: according to the datasheet that camera is USB, but it doesn't show up in lsusb, so it must be shut off, either by the firmware (UEFI) setup, or by a hardware switch (the datasheet mentions a "privacy shutter") | 11:06 |
| JanC | "FHD + IR USB, 8MP + IR MIPI camera with webcam privacy shutter and Computer Vision" | 11:06 |
| vlt | JanC: The privacy shutter is open. I searched the whole BIOS for anything about the camera without success. As a test I booted another OS (it came with) and there the camera works instantly. | 11:07 |
| JanC | maybe it uses some other proprietary hack to enable the camera... :-/ | 11:09 |
| JanC | through ACPI or whatever | 11:10 |
| realivanjx | why is clicking the top bar "un-maximizes" a window on 24.04 desktop? how to stop that behavior? | 11:20 |
| lotuspsychje | realivanjx: there's a resize bug going on, on autologin currently | 11:29 |
| lotuspsychje | some gtk thing needs to be fixed | 11:30 |
| realivanjx | yes. on some application like brave browser, clicking the title bar also triggers un-maximize, where usually it takes double-click instead | 11:31 |
| realivanjx | lotuspsychje: can i get the link to the bug tracker? | 11:32 |
| lotuspsychje | realivanjx: bug #2064177 | 11:33 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2064177 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "Window borders and shadows missing from GTK3 dialogs (if autologin is enabled and Xorg is used)" [Low, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2064177 | 11:33 | |
| JanC | vlt: if the "other OS" is Windows, maybe you can find what the USB device IDs for the camera are there? | 11:35 |
| ravage1 | he refused to gather information from that OS yesterday | 11:36 |
| JanC | well, that's not helpful | 11:36 |
| ravage1 | it was also only known as "other OS" yesterday. must be very secret | 11:37 |
| ravage1 | look very much like windows though | 11:37 |
| ravage1 | *looked | 11:37 |
| JanC | lsusb might be showing an unhelpful name (i.e. I have no idea what "SLS Lattice AI" is) | 11:39 |
| JanC | and I can't find any useful information about it really | 11:39 |
| vlt | JanC: Yes, it seems to be a version of Windows. | 11:42 |
| vlt | ravage1: I’m sorry if that came across as refusing. I just don’t know anything about Windows. | 11:43 |
| vlt | I wouldn’t know where to look and what for. | 11:44 |
| vlt | I’m really willing to provide any info that might help here. | 11:44 |
| ravage1 | the device manager can already be helpful | 11:44 |
| ravage1 | all devices there have a details tab with information about the device | 11:45 |
| vlt | ravage1: Thanks, I’ll try to get that running again and report back. Thank you!!! | 11:46 |
| JanC | might also be useful if the text says something more about the camera | 11:46 |
| JanC | the text as in the name of the device according to Windows | 11:47 |
| vlt | Feels weird to ask here but does anyone know how to get to the device manager from an instance of cmd.exe I managed to run by pressing shift+F10? | 11:50 |
| vlt | (It says Windows [Version 10.0.22631...]) | 11:51 |
| JanC | someone in #windows might know :) | 11:52 |
| JanC | or a search engine | 11:53 |
| ravage1 | google says devmgmt.msc | 11:53 |
| vlt | Found it: it’s `devmgmt.msc | 11:53 |
| vlt | Ok, great. There’s one item under “Cameras”. It’s called “Intel(R) AVStream Camera” | 11:54 |
| ravage1 | looks like that is done vie AVStream Camera | 11:57 |
| JanC | seems like even on Windows this camero often gives detection problems when you use anything but the "stock" OS install from the manufacturer | 11:57 |
| ravage1 | I2C | 11:57 |
| ravage1 | and i could not find anyone who got it working yet | 11:58 |
| ravage1 | https://github.com/intel/ipu6-drivers may be helpful | 11:59 |
| Guest808 | hello all | 11:59 |
| ravage1 | should work with dkms | 11:59 |
| Guest808 | i had previously added a rule to allow incoming connections to port 8080 on ym server for test purposes | 11:59 |
| JanC | there is an IPU6 DKMS driver in the repositories | 11:59 |
| Guest808 | after deleting the rule, however, incoming connections are still being allowed on 8080 | 11:59 |
| ravage1 | oh ok | 11:59 |
| Guest808 | what gives? | 12:00 |
| ravage1 | then try that first of course | 12:00 |
| JanC | 'intel-ipu6-dkms' | 12:00 |
| JanC | if that is the specific IPU used by the camera... | 12:00 |
| ravage1 | Guest808: addes a rule where and how? what is ym? | 12:02 |
| Guest808 | sorry, ufw | 12:02 |
| Guest808 | "ym"="my" | 12:02 |
| Guest808 | i added a ufw rule to allow incoming connections to port 8080 | 12:03 |
| Guest808 | deleting the rule, though, i can still connect on 8080 | 12:03 |
| Guest808 | from an external browser, i mean | 12:03 |
| ravage1 | sudo ufw status verbose | nc termbin.com 9999 | 12:04 |
| ravage1 | that should output a URL. paste it here | 12:06 |
| tekisui09 | hello | 12:06 |
| Guest808 | wait | 12:06 |
| Guest808 | looking at it again, my ufw was already allowing 8080 in before i added the rule | 12:07 |
| Guest808 | is that default behavior? | 12:07 |
| vlt | ravage1: Thanks, I’ll have a look at the ipu6-drivers. Meanwhile, here’s a details tab of the device manager: https://ibb.co/2KSRZq5 | 12:07 |
| Guest808 | https://termbin.com/yr62 | 12:07 |
| Guest808 | i had a rule 6 at the bottom which i'm onlyu just now realising was identical to rule 3 | 12:07 |
| ravage1 | vlt: what driver does it use? | 12:07 |
| Guest808 | but i don't recall setting any other rules | 12:08 |
| ravage1 | Guest808: mystery solved i guess | 12:08 |
| Guest808 | i guess | 12:08 |
| Guest808 | but is that default behavior? | 12:08 |
| Guest808 | or did i set that myself for some reason? | 12:08 |
| ravage1 | you added that rule | 12:09 |
| Guest808 | wow, i really, really don't remember that | 12:09 |
| Guest808 | well thank you | 12:09 |
| Guest808 | i feel approprpiately stupid now | 12:09 |
| tekisui09 | What is it with ubuntu and nvida ? | 12:10 |
| tekisui09 | :I | 12:10 |
| JanC | there are some rules ufw sets by default (e.g. to make DHCP work), but those aren't in that list | 12:10 |
| ravage1 | tekisui09: do you have an Ubuntu related support question? | 12:12 |
| tekisui09 | i got twoubbles with running nvidia well on ubuntu 20.04 | 12:13 |
| tekisui09 | 18.04 was good | 12:13 |
| tekisui09 | 22.04 now i believe ? | 12:13 |
| tekisui09 | well 18.04 had twoubbles also but easy to fix | 12:13 |
| ravage1 | the current LTS is 24.04 | 12:13 |
| tekisui09 | well maybe that will solve it | 12:14 |
| tekisui09 | merci :) | 12:14 |
| tekisui09 | cross fingers | 12:14 |
| gry | hope it works | 12:14 |
| JanC | vlt: the output of "lspci -nn" would be useful | 12:14 |
| JanC | (lspci doesn't show device IDs by default) | 12:15 |
| vlt | ravage1: The “drivers” tab: https://ibb.co/3d8f2p6 | 12:15 |
| vlt | JanC: I will check `lspci -nn`. | 12:15 |
| ravage1 | i found https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Yoga_(Gen_7) | 12:16 |
| ravage1 | and there the webcam part was useful | 12:16 |
| ravage1 | is that your device? | 12:16 |
| JanC | different generations = different hardware probably | 12:16 |
| JanC | probably new generation of Intel CPU, chipset, etc. | 12:17 |
| JanC | that one requires a custom kernel package for Ubuntu 22.04, but I assume it should work OOTB with 24.04 ? (there are no custom hardware kernels for 24.04 yet) | 12:18 |
| vlt | ravage1: Mine is a Gen_9 (and they replaced the Yoga brand with 2in1). | 12:19 |
| JanC | there should be a line with "[8086:7d45]" in lspci -nn | 12:20 |
| ioria | i think that is the Intel meteor graphics | 12:21 |
| JanC | a bit surprising it shows up as PCIE in Windows when the datasheet says "USB"... | 12:21 |
| JanC | maybe the datasheet is just wrong and they copy-pasted that part from another device or something | 12:22 |
| JanC | or maybe the PCIE part enables an USB device when activating the camera :) | 12:22 |
| vlt | JanC: Line 2 has the 7d45 device: https://termbin.com/tsf5 | 12:24 |
| JanC | heh | 12:24 |
| JanC | okay, so it works through the graphics adapter (GPU)? | 12:25 |
| ravage1 | maybe it needs AI features nowadays | 12:25 |
| JanC | it has graphics processing, so that makes some sense | 12:26 |
| JanC | filters etc. | 12:26 |
| JanC | auto-correct, that sort of thing | 12:26 |
| === iconoclasthero_ is now known as iconoclasthero | ||
| KarenTheDorf | Hi, having an issue with kubuntu 24.04. Resuming from sleep or switching virtual terminal with alt+ctrl+f1 causes the display to corrupt. Sometimes the entire system hangs, other times switching to a text vterm (alt+ctrl+f3) and back fixes it. Hard for me to investiagte as the system is unusuable if it hangs. I'm assuming this is related to graphics stuff, so I will note it's an old laptop using radeon not amdgpu. I'd file a bug but I don't know | 12:27 |
| KarenTheDorf | what package to file it against! | 12:27 |
| JanC | and IIRC they also encode the video stream to some MPEG format, also something the GPU already implements, so why not reuse it... | 12:27 |
| sem | hey all, I am about to attempt to upgrade my lubuntu 20.04 LTS to 22.04 LTS :) | 12:31 |
| vlt | sem: Good luck! | 12:31 |
| JanC | vlt: I would try installing that 'intel-ipu6-dkms' package; it will compile a kernel driver which should then be loaded (possibly on next boot) | 12:31 |
| sem | The first step is to create a backup. I am not entirely sure how; would it be appropriate to use rsync to backup / with some exceptions to a samba drive on the network ? vlt-- thanks! | 12:31 |
| vlt | JanC: That’s exactly what I’m preparing right now. Thank you! :-) | 12:33 |
| sem | sudo rsync -aAXv / --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"} /path/to/Samba | 12:33 |
| vlt | sem: rsync has a --one-file-system option that should make a lot of your excludes obsolete. | 12:35 |
| JanC | vlt: and if it doesn't work, and doesn't get load, probably best to remove it again (otherwise it will rebuild the driver for every kernel install, which is fine for things that work but useless waste of time/electricity otherwise :) ) | 12:35 |
| ahh_ | g | 12:35 |
| sem | vlt, sweet thanks for the tip! | 12:38 |
| JanC | just a backup of $HOME, plus some extra stuff (database dumps, /etc, APT installed package list, ...) might work also, depending on what is important for you | 12:50 |
| JanC | also, a backup of ~/.cache should not be needed either (you might be able to save quite some space from excluding it) | 12:51 |
| JanC | (for every user on the system, obviously, if there is more than one) | 12:52 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:57 |
| vlt | JanC: `lsmod | grep ipu6` lists a few new lines after installing intel-ipu6-dkms and rebooting: http://termbin.com/3oe1 | 13:03 |
| vlt | JanC: But there’s no /dev/video* and guvcview complains about missing camera. | 13:03 |
| vlt | What package does provide the default “Camera” software that is available when choosing a “full installation”? | 13:04 |
| JanC | IIRC some new camera devices don't implement the V4L interface but something new (because of all the preprocessing features), but I'm no expert on this :-/ | 13:10 |
| JanC | the default camera app is 'cheese', I think (at least, it was for 22.04) | 13:10 |
| KarenTheDorf | Installing the default app won't necassarily pull in the required drivers though. It will just report "missing camera" the same. | 13:11 |
| KarenTheDorf | Probabally* | 13:11 |
| JanC | we installed a driver, the point now is chacking if it works :) | 13:11 |
| JanC | *checking* | 13:11 |
| ioria | vlt, gnome-snapshot | 13:11 |
| JanC | oh, that might work too | 13:11 |
| vlt | ioria: Thank you! | 13:12 |
| JanC | and might be the default now :) | 13:12 |
| ioria | vlt, ok, maybe take a look here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelMIPICamera | 13:13 |
| JanC | oh, so you probably need even more stuff? | 13:14 |
| JanC | unfortunately that's not been updated for 24.04 (yet) | 13:15 |
| vlt | ioria: Thank you, I’ll try all the things listed there, beginning with linux-modules-ivsc-generic, and report progress. | 13:17 |
| * vlt has to go afk | 13:19 | |
| JanC | vlt: you might want/have to remove the DKMS driver before trying those "OEM" drivers | 13:23 |
| JanC | and, why do manufacturers claim "linux compatible" or "Ubuntu compatible" but not document all this properly...? :-( | 13:25 |
| JanC | (or "Windows compatible", which often also doesn't work OOTB if you actually try to install a standard Windows on the device) | 13:27 |
| Psi-Jack | So my usual main desktop, I have multiple solid-state and one spinning drive in, and my usual method of storage for my home directory is to move/set Documents, Videos, Downloads, Pictures, Music... etc. To the spinning mass storage drive which is in /mnt/storage/ and thus /mnt/storage/$USER/$dir -- Snaps, however, requires some additional | 13:44 |
| Psi-Jack | configuration to make this work, and I don't recall what it is in order to treat /mnt/storage as part of homedirs and allow access to it, and such. | 13:44 |
| leftyfb | Psi-Jack: why not just mount your drive to /home ? | 13:45 |
| Psi-Jack | leftyfb: Because everything else about /home I want to be on NVMe. | 13:45 |
| Psi-Jack | I just don't need Documents and stuff to be on NVMe. | 13:45 |
| Psi-Jack | There's this documentation, but I'm not entirely sure if that adds a path to be used in the containment, or if it replaces is. https://snapcraft.io/docs/home-outside-home | 13:49 |
| ruser | fyi, the other day i asked about lsof hanging and some other disk processes not finishing, and zsh hanging on autocomplete. Looks like it was a race condition in setuid binary keybase-redirector wihch is part of the keybase client. | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | Psi-Jack, snaps use apparmor for their confinement ... apparmor in turn does not support following symlinks ... if your Documents etc dirs point to an external disk you should make sure to use bind mounts for these instead of symlinks | 14:03 |
| Psi-Jack | ogra_: Here's the fun fact. I'm actually setting XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR, XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR, etc, in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs appropriately. So the symlinks that are there, are technically not needed. | 14:04 |
| ogra_ | Psi-Jack, well, then you need to connect the "removable-media" insterface for the snaps that have it to allow accessing /mnt or /media ... | 14:05 |
| Psi-Jack | It's not removable-media, though. | 14:05 |
| ogra_ | but i suspect not all snaps enable it | 14:05 |
| ogra_ | what do you mean ? | 14:05 |
| Psi-Jack | Well, /mnt is not intended for removable media, /media is(or was). | 14:06 |
| Psi-Jack | So it's internal persistent storage, not removable. | 14:06 |
| ogra_ | the removable-media interface allows snaps to access these places ... regardless whats mounted there 😉 | 14:06 |
| Psi-Jack | There used to be an option in apparmor specific to snaps to add additional paths to grant access to for home content. I'm assuming it's similar to the "snap set system homedirs=..." | 14:07 |
| Psi-Jack | I'm just not sure if it's the same. I could possibly test this by running Rambox Pro, and seeing if the old problems still exist in my VM running Ubuntu 24.04 right now. | 14:08 |
| ogra_ | there is no such option | 14:10 |
| ogra_ | only removable-media ... you're also not able to edit the profiles manually since they are regulary regenerated | 14:11 |
| Psi-Jack | OKay, I have my answer, actually. tunables/home.d/snapd @{HOMEDIRS} is a multi-value array, after using it to add /mnt/storage it becomes: @{HOMEDIRS}+="/mnt/storage" "/home" | 14:14 |
| Psi-Jack | So, yes, yes it is an option. | 14:14 |
| Psi-Jack | Then there's tunables/home.d/site.local which suggests all the directories must end with a / which is weird. | 14:16 |
| Psi-Jack | ls | 14:16 |
| ogra_ | the /tunables/home.d/snapd endpoint is simply what "snap set system homedirs=..." manages | 14:17 |
| Psi-Jack | Yes. Though it added /home, not /home/ heh | 14:17 |
| ogra_ | i dont think you can just expand your homedir access with it beyond switching to a non stabndard home | 14:18 |
| Psi-Jack | Well then it'll be an interesting test, eh? ;) | 14:18 |
| Psi-Jack | Alright, stage is set in my VM. :) | 14:25 |
| Psi-Jack | Hmm.. EIther Rambox has massively changed things per my years old bug report that never really got "solved".. Or this is working as intended. | 14:28 |
| Psi-Jack | Basically before, Rambox would crash on opening because it wanted to access multiple directories, like Documents, Downloads, etc.. And because snap was denying them, Rambox would ultimately just crash instead of load. | 14:32 |
| ogra_ | if you suspect snap issues, install the snappy-debug snap and run it alongside the app ... | 14:32 |
| ogra_ | if it doesnt print any denials it isnt a snap related issue ... if it does, it should tell you which interfaces would be needed to fix the issues | 14:33 |
| Psi-Jack | This was an issue years ago. I haven't even used Rambox in a while, but I did pay for Rambox Pro for Life, so I still have it. | 14:35 |
| Psi-Jack | My problem with Rambox Pro is that when you'd login to mutiple computers it would start to shut down others, which is a designed imposed limit which seems wrong. | 14:36 |
| luther | A lot of people here! :D | 14:39 |
| luther | I'm here just to test a VM, see you! Byebye! :) | 14:40 |
| Psi-Jack | Okay then. LOL | 14:42 |
| sem | Ok I've booted into the live cd. Is it still best to use rsync to backup the old system, or is there a better way | 15:07 |
| Psi-Jack | sem: There's lots of ways, but just depends on what you're trying to do. | 15:09 |
| sem | i'm trying to take a backup of my full system before I upgrade to 22.04 in case something fails. I want to be able to keep my documents and application settings | 15:10 |
| Psi-Jack | sem: Upgrade.. from what? | 15:10 |
| sem | lubuntu 20.04 which I believe is EOL | 15:10 |
| sem | although if I call it "ubuntu 20.04 using lxqt" it is still supported | 15:11 |
| Psi-Jack | 20.04 is in ESM state now. | 15:11 |
| sem | i have the free ubuntu pro on it | 15:11 |
| leftyfb | sem: rsync is fine | 15:11 |
| Psi-Jack | And do you really want to backup the whole system, or just what's really relevant, like your data and what software you have installed? | 15:11 |
| sem | whole system bc I am not sure what I might have changed. Maybe I put something in /etc/ or something in /usr/local/bin, who knows | 15:12 |
| leftyfb | sem: you really only need to backup /home and MAYBE /etc. | 15:12 |
| Psi-Jack | Well /etc and /usr/local and /opt and /srv and /var would be "data" | 15:12 |
| sem | leftyfb, ok now I just need to craft the rsync command | 15:12 |
| leftyfb | sem: rsync -av /path/to/source /path/to/destination --progress | 15:13 |
| sem | i saw one online that had a bunch of --excludes for the stuff you don't need | 15:13 |
| Psi-Jack | I do my system backups very minimally. I backup /etc, /usr/local, /opt, and /srv, sometimes a little more depending, and I backup what packages have been installed in apt, flatpak, etc.. And that's it. | 15:13 |
| sem | what about /media | 15:13 |
| Psi-Jack | Then /home, is a different matter. | 15:13 |
| Psi-Jack | sem: What about it? /media is removable mounted disks. | 15:14 |
| sem | lets say I made a custom mountpoint, wouldn't i need to backup /media | 15:14 |
| leftyfb | sem: what about ut? | 15:14 |
| sem | or the new mount wouldn't work | 15:14 |
| Psi-Jack | You should never put persistent mounts in /media, literally not what it's for. | 15:14 |
| leftyfb | sem: unmount the storage device during the upgrade | 15:14 |
| sem | where do you put them? | 15:14 |
| leftyfb | /mnt/ | 15:15 |
| leftyfb | or anywhere else depending on the purpose and your needs | 15:15 |
| Psi-Jack | Yep. | 15:15 |
| Psi-Jack | Usually /mnt is for persistent storage. | 15:15 |
| sem | Like if I have a samba network drive, it is better to mount it /mnt/samba than /media/samba if I'm understanding correctly? I thought /mnt was reserved for system use | 15:15 |
| Psi-Jack | heh /media is usually for temporary removable media. | 15:15 |
| Psi-Jack | sem: Is persistent storage not "system use?" | 15:16 |
| sem | *automatic system use I guress | 15:16 |
| sem | guess | 15:16 |
| Psi-Jack | That's /media | 15:16 |
| sem | ah i had them backwards for about a decade then | 15:16 |
| leftyfb | it really doesn't matter all that much honestly | 15:17 |
| leftyfb | the important part is, unmount anything you don't need as part of the upgrade | 15:17 |
| sem | I'm going to run it from a live cd because I heard that is safest | 15:18 |
| leftyfb | you're going to run the upgrade from the live cd? | 15:18 |
| sem | no just the backup | 15:18 |
| sem | leftyfb, the rsync command I found has some extra options like -AX to preserve ACL and extended attributes. It also has a bunch of excludes for things like /dev and /proc. But it doesn't have --one-filesystem. I heard that one was important too... | 15:20 |
| sem | sorry for being thorough -i'm trying to make sense of all the information before I proceed | 15:20 |
| leftyfb | sem: if you read the man page for rsync, you'll see that -a includes -A and -X | 15:20 |
| leftyfb | be more thorough ;) | 15:21 |
| sem | ok, I'm looking at it now -- also it says --one-file-system doesn't cross filesystem boundaries | 15:21 |
| sem | leftyfb, are you sure about -a ? -a, --archive archive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X) | 15:22 |
| leftyfb | sem: I should be more thorough and don't try to offer support while in a meeting and doing my normal work all at the same time :) | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | yeah, stop doing that "normal work" ... | 15:24 |
| sem | heh thanks for your help even if it teaches me to always double check :P | 15:24 |
| leftyfb | ogra_: it's actually an interesting network topology I'm implementing as a PoC. I don't like it at all and don't want it to ever see actual production, but it's interesting to get working | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | heh, yeah, but it is distracting you from the important stuff 😛 | 15:26 |
| guest65 | Hi, how to install Tor? | 15:30 |
| guest65 | i tried to download from Tor site, but i don't know how to install ... the file is tor-browser-linux-x86_64-13.0.15.tar.xz | 15:31 |
| JanC | it's available in Ubuntu's software store | 15:31 |
| JanC | just install it from there | 15:32 |
| guest65 | i even tried to extract it, but after i don't find the file that open tor | 15:32 |
| guest65 | JanC it doesn't work | 15:32 |
| guest65 | 404 erro | 15:32 |
| guest65 | error | 15:32 |
| JanC | oh, Tor Browser, not Tor (but it's also available from the software store) | 15:32 |
| leftyfb | guest65: sudo apt install tor | 15:32 |
| leftyfb | guest65: or for the browser: sudo apt install torbrowser-launcher | 15:33 |
| guest65 | why is it so difficult install an application? | 15:34 |
| JanC | or just do it through the "Ubuntu Software" GUI :) | 15:34 |
| guest65 | JanC i did it | 15:34 |
| guest65 | it doesn't work | 15:34 |
| leftyfb | define "doesn't work" | 15:35 |
| leftyfb | please take a screenshot of the error | 15:35 |
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| guest65 | https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HoTSEfltjE220HywWo4fWipXhVUIVy4n/view?usp=sharing | 15:35 |
| leftyfb | guest65: ok, so you installed tor/torbrowser-launcher and after opening tor you get that error? | 15:36 |
| guest65 | leftyfb yes | 15:36 |
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| === karenw is now known as KarenTheDorf | ||
| leftyfb | guest65: what release of ubuntu are you running? | 15:37 |
| guest65 | Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS | 15:39 |
| ioria | too old | 15:39 |
| leftyfb | :/ | 15:39 |
| guest65 | i update all regularly | 15:39 |
| leftyfb | ioria: they don't know you're joking :) | 15:39 |
| ioria | guest65, it's a bug fixed in 0.3.6-2 : 22.04 has 0.3.3 | 15:40 |
| guest65 | when i start pc, i always update all in "Software" the app with different colours on icon, i updated all even in ubuntu software (orange one) | 15:40 |
| guest65 | and i update all when it propose me updates by little window with patches, ecc... | 15:41 |
| JanC | I use tor Browser regularly on 22.04, but of course I started using it long ago | 15:41 |
| carlosb | hi | 15:41 |
| JanC | so it did the first download long ago & then updates itself | 15:41 |
| leftyfb | there's a repo from the tor project | 15:41 |
| ioria | guest65, cat /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/torbrowser_launcher/common.py | nc termbin.com 9999 | 15:41 |
| ioria | guest65, but i'd use the Debian way | 15:42 |
| guest65 | https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AyqDABv10pVcDKTWpFNcy9BzrgHHGff1/view?usp=sharing | 15:44 |
| guest65 | ioria excuse me, I often make mistakes and mess up using pastebin services | 15:44 |
| guest65 | it's just a text file | 15:45 |
| JanC | leftyfb: an APT repo from Tor Project? why isn't it mentioned on their download page then? | 15:46 |
| leftyfb | JanC: https://support.torproject.org/apt/tor-deb-repo/ | 15:46 |
| ioria | guest65, we can fix the 404 error, but you'll have issues anyways | 15:48 |
| JanC | leftyfb: that page is obviously outdated | 15:48 |
| guest65 | ioria why? | 15:49 |
| leftyfb | JanC: sorry, what part of it is obvious? | 15:49 |
| ioria | guest65, outdated versions seem bugged | 15:49 |
| ioria | guest65, let's try; sudo sed -i 's|self.language =.*|self.language = "ALL"|g' /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/torbrowser_launcher/common.py | 15:50 |
| leftyfb | JanC: the repo has releases from yesterday. | 15:50 |
| ioria | guest65, and relaunch | 15:50 |
| JanC | APT has been able to access HTTPS repositories without the need for 'apt-transport-https' for quite a while now, so this must date back to before then? | 15:50 |
| JanC | maybe the repository is not outdated, but that page is :) | 15:51 |
| leftyfb | JanC: that would be a bad way to determine the document as being outdated | 15:51 |
| guest65 | nothing happens, no result after command | 15:51 |
| leftyfb | JanC: the instructions should work just fine | 15:51 |
| ioria | guest65, and relaunch | 15:51 |
| guest65 | ioria same error 404 | 15:53 |
| ioria | guest65, ok, nvm: https://tb-manual.torproject.org/installation/ | 15:53 |
| ioria | guest65, purge the apt version | 15:54 |
| JanC | there appears to be no torbrowser packages in that repository also? | 15:54 |
| leftyfb | JanC: looks like it | 15:55 |
| guest65 | ioria i did it, but it still open txt file | 15:59 |
| ioria | guest65, in your home: check .cache .local/share and .config ; remove the torbrowser folder | 16:00 |
| guest65 | ioria i don't understand which path | 16:03 |
| guest65 | snap folder? | 16:03 |
| ioria | guest65, nope; ls -al ~/.cache | 16:04 |
| JanC | ioria: does the launcher try to download from the wrong location after a change on the tor site or something? | 16:04 |
| guest65 | is it a command for the terminal? | 16:04 |
| ioria | guest65, yes | 16:04 |
| ioria | JanC, looks a lang config and path issue | 16:05 |
| guest65 | ioria i did it | 16:05 |
| ioria | guest65, do you see the torbrowser directory ? | 16:05 |
| guest65 | just in download folder | 16:05 |
| guest65 | ah ok, excuse me | 16:06 |
| guest65 | u mean in the list? | 16:06 |
| guest65 | drwx------ 3 user user 4096 set 13 2023 torbrowser | 16:06 |
| ioria | guest65, ls -al ~/.config | nc termbin.com 9999 | 16:06 |
| guest65 | https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QVl-zlThlfDkuJ2D9vPhiagUVldECRVn/view?usp=sharing | 16:07 |
| ioria | guest65, please, the cmd above | 16:08 |
| guest65 | excuse me, it's the simple way for me, in past i often wrong and get errors, problems with terminbin | 16:09 |
| guest65 | https://pastebin.com/raw/bKYeAGdk | 16:10 |
| guest65 | ioria try here | 16:10 |
| ioria | guest65, ok, remove those torbrowser directories; the same in ~/.local/share | 16:11 |
| guest65 | how to remove the? | 16:11 |
| guest65 | how to remove them? | 16:12 |
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| oerheks | use your filemanager? | 16:13 |
| ioria | guest65, open filemanager, press ctrl+h, navigate .cache .local/share and .config and remove them | 16:14 |
| oerheks | also you might need this https://libera.chat/guides/connect 2nd part - tor | 16:14 |
| guest65 | ok i did all | 16:16 |
| ioria | guest65, more infos about the bug here: take your time : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1445050/updating-tor-screwed-up-my-client-download-error-404 | 16:16 |
| ioria | guest65, sy, afk | 16:17 |
| guest65 | ioria so difficult for me understand all that described in that page | 16:20 |
| guest65 | ioria too many technicalities | 16:22 |
| guest65 | anyway i deleted those folders, now i try to install it again by ubuntu software | 16:23 |
| guest65 | thanks all | 16:27 |
| guest65 | i will try another time or maybe i have to format and reinstall ubuntu | 16:28 |
| Psi-Jack | Ugh, why oh why does Ubuntu 24.04 still not have a decent manual partitioner for installation? No subvolume support for BtrFS, no LUKS options. No EFI partition, so it literally refuses to let you choose to go Next when you've manually defined it. And why does EFI *need* to be 1.13GB specifically? heh | 17:40 |
| leftyfb | Psi-Jack: LUKS is part of the installer. I've been using it for years | 17:40 |
| Psi-Jack | leftyfb: Automatic partitioning, yes. | 17:41 |
| Psi-Jack | Manual partitioning: Flat no. | 17:41 |
| leftyfb | false | 17:41 |
| leftyfb | I choose manual partitioning | 17:41 |
| leftyfb | I did with 20.04 and 22.04 | 17:41 |
| Psi-Jack | I literally just went through it. | 17:41 |
| KarenTheDorf | 1.13GB? My /boot/efi is 300M. I guess it's defaulting to some % of total drive size? | 17:42 |
| Psi-Jack | KarenTheDorf: I'm not sure. I did this in a VM with a 40GiB HDD provided to it. | 17:42 |
| KarenTheDorf | (Fresh install of kubuntu 22.04, let the wizard set up an encrypted disk though, not manually partitioned) | 17:42 |
| lotuspsychje | the new 24.04 installer still has a lot of bugs to sort, best to browse launchpad a bit, manualy partitioning might still be flaky | 17:43 |
| KarenTheDorf | Yeah 1.13GB seems excessive for /boot/efi on a 40GiB VM. | 17:44 |
| KarenTheDorf | (I'm assuming 1.13GB == 1GiB?) | 17:44 |
| Psi-Jack | KarenTheDorf: Indeed.. heh | 17:44 |
| lotuspsychje | Psi-Jack: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-provision/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0 | 17:44 |
| Psi-Jack | lotuspsychje: 247... Wow. | 17:45 |
| lotuspsychje | its new | 17:45 |
| KarenTheDorf | Wow, that one bug title that's an entire setup log lmao. | 17:45 |
| Psi-Jack | heh | 17:46 |
| KarenTheDorf | And the only comment on it is "can you provide a log".... | 17:47 |
| Psi-Jack | I'm not sure about Ubunut prior to 24.04, as I just don't use Ubuntu regularly, and this is in part, part of the reason why, lack of BtrFS support and lack of good Manual Partitioning support. | 17:47 |
| bprompt | KarenTheDorf: OR someone screwed up on the html and ended up including too many bundled up as one | 17:47 |
| bprompt | tis noteworthy to point out, you can run a liveUSB session and do the partitioning there manually, and when done run the installer inside the session, Kubuntu already comes with a partitioner | 17:49 |
| KarenTheDorf | I had to do that with one machine. I wanted to switch from unencrpted to encrypted LUKS and it wouldn't let me. Nuke the partitions in a liveCD then run the installer again and Robert is your father's brother. | 17:51 |
| Psi-Jack | bprompt: Yeah, I've thought about that. I was looking over the directions provided https://blackstewie.com/posts/install-ubuntu-24.04-with-proper-btrfs-setup/ here, and I was just dumbfounded by the method used here. Install, then most-install move data around... Pretty silly. | 17:51 |
| bprompt | Psi-Jack: the liveUSB session allows of installations as well, so one can, I've done it a couple of times, install gparted and use that as well | 17:52 |
| Psi-Jack | I'm a person who has used Linux a.. very long time. 30 years and still counting. So it's not by any means a lack of knowledge issue at all. | 17:52 |
| siak | I couldn't find a replacement for firefox download manager. | 17:53 |
| Psi-Jack | bprompt: Yeah. I wondered about that, I'm doing this all in a VM, but my VM crashed mid-install due to graphics issues. I can't boot a Ubuntu VM in QXL, but had to use Virtio GPU and OpenGL support, which even that, can be a little finnicky. | 17:53 |
| bprompt | siak: what are you exactly looking for? a downloader for the webbrowser? all browsers come with one, don't need to | 17:53 |
| bprompt | !info fdm | siak | 17:53 |
| ubottu | siak: fdm (1.9+git20181219-1.1build2, noble): fetching, filtering and delivering emails. In component universe, is optional. Built by fdm. Size 143 kB / 338 kB | 17:54 |
| Psi-Jack | Yeah, Firefox has it's own build-in download manager. | 17:54 |
| bprompt | eh? | 17:54 |
| bprompt | wrong fdm | 17:54 |
| Psi-Jack | LOL | 17:54 |
| siak | Firefox built in discontinued two partially downloaded big files for no reason. | 17:54 |
| oerheks | firefox can resume, no? | 17:54 |
| Psi-Jack | I guess when I get back from dog walking I'll try the Ubuntu 24.04 manual method with pre-setting it up with Gparted. | 17:55 |
| bprompt | yeap, it can resume, there's a way to go about it though | 17:55 |
| KarenTheDorf | If the server supports it. | 17:55 |
| siak | Another time when I pressed clear history it cleared a partially downloaded failed download too | 17:55 |
| bprompt | Psi-Jack: ohhh the dog is going to be walking you, ok :) | 17:55 |
| oerheks | oh dear | 17:55 |
| siak | So it trashed at least 30GB of my capacity. | 17:56 |
| bprompt | KarenTheDorf: most servers support it | 17:56 |
| siak | There are some downloads that you can't copy their link. Only browser can pass them to another program. | 17:57 |
| lotuspsychje | !discuss | 17:57 |
| ubottu | Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! | 17:57 |
| lotuspsychje | keep it ontopic please | 17:57 |
| bprompt | siak: so hmmm what's the issue anyhow? | 17:59 |
| bprompt | siak: I mean, whenever I've needed, I've done file resuming in firefox, however there's a way to go about, is not just a one-click deal | 18:00 |
| vlt | Hello (I’m back). To get my built-in webcam working on Ubuntu 24.04 on an X1 2in1 Gen9, I first installed intel-ipu6-dkms without success, then removed it and now am trying to apply https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntelMIPICamera. I installed the mentioned kernel modules but now have no idea what “the userspace stack […] is still in OEM archives” is trying to tell me. | 18:00 |
| vlt | How to proceed? | 18:00 |
| vlt | JanC: ^ | 18:00 |
| siak | bprompt: I just explaind the incidents. | 18:00 |
| oerheks | did you reboot after installing intel-ipu6-dkms? | 18:01 |
| vlt | oerheks: Yes, of course ;-) | 18:01 |
| oerheks | then open cheese, set resolution 1 step lower? | 18:02 |
| siak | For example I got uGet but its Firefox plugin did not forward downloads to it and of course I reported that. | 18:03 |
| oerheks | also it could be firmware missing, https://github.com/fwupd/firmware-lenovo/issues/442 | 18:03 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 442 in fwupd/firmware-lenovo "Ubuntu 22.04 Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 9 - Cant installed unsigned cab" [Closed] | 18:03 | |
| vlt | oerheks: cheese says “no device found”. | 18:08 |
| vlt | After step “install v4l2loopback and -relayd” there are /dev/video[0-8] which weren’t there before. | 18:10 |
| lotuspsychje | vlt: cheese is not installed by default anymore on 24.04 | 18:11 |
| lotuspsychje | and had a lot of issues, the whole 22.04 cycle | 18:11 |
| Psi-Jack | bprompt: Naaah.. I walk them. I' | 18:11 |
| Psi-Jack | m the pack leader, not them! | 18:11 |
| vlt | lotuspsychje: Yeah, I had to install it manually ti run oerheks’s test. | 18:12 |
| vlt | *to | 18:12 |
| * oerheks still on 22.04 | 18:12 | |
| vlt | lotuspsychje: Both gnome-snapshot and guvcview don’t find the camera. | 18:14 |
| vlt | What could “the userspace stack […] is still in OEM archives” mean? | 18:14 |
| vlt | How am I supposed to act on that? | 18:14 |
| vlt | This is `lsmod` right now: http://termbin.com/t3j4 The v4l2loopback module is loaded. | 18:18 |
| vlt | ioria: Any idea? | 18:21 |
| Psi-Jack | Okay. That was new. The boot splash to the installer literally flipped upside down before actually loading the GNOME DE live environment. | 18:22 |
| Psi-Jack | But huh. Yeah. even with using Gparted to define partition structure first, doing so with LUKS in addition to, well, Gparted doesn't, itself, manage LUKS so it's a manual tedious install. | 18:24 |
| Psi-Jack | If that will even work. :) | 18:25 |
| JanC | FWIW: Gnome Disks can create LUKS partitions | 18:27 |
| Psi-Jack | Well then, I will look at that now, too! :) | 18:27 |
| Psi-Jack | Apparently that's limited to starting with ext4. LOL | 18:28 |
| JanC | ? | 18:28 |
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| Psi-Jack | It creates ext4 on it, instead of whatever filesystem I actually want on it, like BtrFS. | 18:29 |
| === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ | ||
| Psi-Jack | Ahhhhh.. Nevermind, it's just hidden deeper in "Other" | 18:30 |
| JanC | was just going to say that :) | 18:32 |
| Psi-Jack | Now all that's left is.. subvolumes. | 18:32 |
| JanC | I don't know if it has support for that (never used Gnome Disks with btrfs :) ) | 18:35 |
| Psi-Jack | It doesn't, but those are much easier, I could tell Gnome Disks to mount it, and it did as subvolid=5, so that was perfect. | 18:35 |
| Psi-Jack | Now.... Will the installer let me use the subvolumes.... | 18:35 |
| Psi-Jack | Hah... | 18:36 |
| Psi-Jack | Stuck at the manual partitioner as the partition "crypto_LUKS", and cannot proceed. | 18:37 |
| Psi-Jack | It simply will not access it's actual filesystem underneath, | 18:37 |
| Psi-Jack | What a bummer, too! | 18:38 |
| Psi-Jack | Huh, apparently this has been specifically missing since 23.04. | 18:39 |
| vlt | During installation from ubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso, is there a way to combine “install alongside Windows” and “LVM on LUKS”? | 18:40 |
| Psi-Jack | https://techtalkblog.ch/ubuntu-24-04-lts-fde-alongside-windows-installation/ like this? | 18:40 |
| Psi-Jack | Note: I do not use Windows, and have not for decades. Nor have I used Ubuntu in a very looooong time. | 18:41 |
| vlt | Psi-Jack: Are you me? | 18:42 |
| vlt | :D | 18:42 |
| Psi-Jack | vlt: No, I am me! | 18:42 |
| bprompt | vlt: trying to dual-boot? | 18:43 |
| Psi-Jack | Huh... Apparently there's a "Legacy Installer" option available for 23.10 that can thus then be upgraded to 24.04 post-install Wow... | 18:43 |
| vlt | Psi-Jack: You rlink seems to do exactly what I was looking for, thanks! | 18:44 |
| Psi-Jack | vlt: I said about Windows and Ubuntu because I cannot validate it's usefulness. | 18:44 |
| Psi-Jack | heh | 18:44 |
| Psi-Jack | Ahhhhhh.... 24.04 is the mark of ending the "ubiquity" installer, hence why all these functionality have been chipped away. | 18:46 |
| bprompt | makes one wonder if that's a Plus or a Minus | 18:46 |
| vlt | Psi-Jack: I have this quite new ThinkPad X1 and as a Debian user since 2005 I wanted to install it, but didn’t get very far on that hardware. The vendor claims it runs Ubuntu, so that’s why I’m here. (And I want to keep the Windows it came with just for weird edge cases like BIOS updates). | 18:46 |
| Psi-Jack | A definite minus in current standing. | 18:46 |
| Psi-Jack | They've dumbed down the manual partitioning and did not actually improve upon it. | 18:47 |
| Psi-Jack | vlt: I use Hiren's BootCD for UEFI Firmware updates. | 18:47 |
| JanC | doesn't Lenovo provide firmware updates on linux nowadays? | 18:47 |
| Psi-Jack | JanC: Some... Thinkpad models, yes. | 18:48 |
| Psi-Jack | Consumer models, no. | 18:48 |
| bprompt | Psi-Jack: when did you use hiren's last? | 18:50 |
| Psi-Jack | Well, that marks Ubuntu out of my list though regardless. The new installer is too limiting to be useful anymore, for sure. | 18:50 |
| Psi-Jack | bprompt: A couple months ago. | 18:50 |
| vlt | JanC: Good point. Then maybe I keep Windows installed because the person I bought the ThinkPad for might need it for some strange educational situations. Who knows. | 18:50 |
| Psi-Jack | bprompt: I needed to update my ASRock UEFI Firmware for specific ReBar issues. | 18:51 |
| JanC | many UEFI firmwares have built-in support for upgrading firmwares nowadays, and many Windows "firmware installers" do nothing but drop the firmware image in the EFI partition... | 18:51 |
| vlt | Psi-Jack: Hiren’s. I’ll definitely have a look at that. | 18:51 |
| Psi-Jack | vlt: Yeah, Ventoy + SystemRescueCd, Rescutux, Linux Distro(s) of choice) and Hirens BootCD ISO, all on one nice bootable USB3 thumb drive. Pure bliss. | 18:52 |
| bprompt | Psi-Jack: hmmmm tried, works on old machines, as in 15years or so old, not on new ones | 18:52 |
| Psi-Jack | bprompt: This is a very modern system abnnd it's Hirens BootCD PE, and it works great. | 18:52 |
| bprompt | Psi-Jack: loads windowsXP PE? | 18:53 |
| Psi-Jack | bprompt: No. Windows 11 PE | 18:53 |
| bprompt | Psi-Jack: ahh, hmmm ok | 18:53 |
| Psi-Jack | It was weird.. I'd never used Windows 11, so it was confusing. LOL | 18:54 |
| Psi-Jack | But, yeah, it says it right on the background "Hidren's BootCD PE Windows 11 | 18:54 |
| Psi-Jack | without typos. | 18:54 |
| bprompt | Psi-Jack: yeah, last I used it, it was using XPPE, but it lacked drivers on new machines, was wondering if they ever updated it | 18:54 |
| Psi-Jack | bprompt: Yep! New version allowed me to flash my ASRock B450pro mobo. | 18:55 |
| * vlt checks if he can include grml and live-build created stuff in Hiren’s .... | 18:55 | |
| Psi-Jack | And my Lenovo Yoga. | 18:55 |
| bprompt | ok | 18:55 |
| Psi-Jack | Literally all I ever really use "Windows" for besides fresh air. | 18:55 |
| vlt | Psi-Jack: Are you sure you are not me? :D | 18:55 |
| Psi-Jack | vlt: I'm absolutely batshit crazy sure. :) | 18:56 |
| JanC | my ASUS mobo UEFI firmware can install & even download firmware updates on its own | 18:56 |
| Psi-Jack | But yeah. I really liked looking at Ubuntu 24.04 on a VM, the extra polish Ubuntu does to GNOME 46 is quite impressive and nice, and I'd be curious to see it on my Lenovo Yoga tabtop. | 18:57 |
| Psi-Jack | JanC: ASUS will never get a single penny from me ever again. Scamming company. | 18:57 |
| Psi-Jack | I'm in the middle of a trying to get a class action lawsuit against them. | 18:58 |
| Psi-Jack | Plus a personal lawsuit for fraud. | 18:58 |
| JanC | ASRock is ASUS's el cheapo product line, no? | 18:59 |
| Psi-Jack | Not at all. | 18:59 |
| Psi-Jack | ASRock people LEFT ASUS because of the corruption and issues going on in ASUS company and started their own company. | 18:59 |
| JanC | ASUS bought it in 2010 | 19:00 |
| Psi-Jack | Ugh... frackin heck.. | 19:00 |
| bprompt | scamming? | 19:00 |
| Psi-Jack | bprompt: Their RMA tries to rip people off big time. | 19:00 |
| JanC | well, Pegatron bought it, but ASUS own Pegatron | 19:00 |
| leftyfb | Can we please stick to support topics only. Feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic | 19:01 |
| vlt | In spring of 2006 I spent hours ndis-wrapper’ing wifi on my sister’s new DELL notebook. This was almost 20 years ago! Now it’s the same all over again with that stupid webcam! Do we really deserve this?!? | 19:01 |
| Psi-Jack | In fact, Gamers Nexus actually recently did a 3-video story about it. Look it up, and you'll see a bit of what I'm talking about. I'll leave it at that and move on. | 19:01 |
| leftyfb | !ot | 19:02 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 19:02 |
| JanC | vlt: this is different, and I'm not sure why it's still this difficult with those IPU/MIPI cameras, as there appear to be open source drivers... | 19:04 |
| JanC | I think MIPI used to be proprietary to Android with only closed source drivers, and because of that it was never upstreamed to the mainstream kernel... | 19:06 |
| oerheks | i think that intel-ipu6-dkms is the right dkms.. | 19:08 |
| oerheks | just check for firmware updates | 19:09 |
| vlt | oerheks: Ok, I will revert back to intel-ipu6-dkms. Then where do I get the needed firmware updates? | 19:10 |
| JanC | there are other issues, like most software only supporting V4L2, so you need a userspace "proxy" to access MIPI devices, etc. | 19:10 |
| JanC | that's part of the userspace part they talk about in that wiki page | 19:11 |
| oerheks | fwupd installed | 19:14 |
| JanC | maybe Lenovo support can help you :) | 19:14 |
| oerheks | fwupdmgr refresh && fwupdmgr update | 19:15 |
| vlt | JanC: I had just begun to type: Maybe tomorrow I’ll call Lenovo and ask how they got to run Ubuntu on that hardware. | 19:15 |
| vlt | They mention it in two different spec documents. | 19:16 |
| JanC | well, it runs... | 19:16 |
| JanC | maybe they just "forgot" to mention "except the camera", or they have pre-installed Ubuntu models that come with everything needed | 19:17 |
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| bprompt | JanC: or the camera worked, but is a different version of Ubuntu, not 24.04 | 19:24 |
| JanC | I would assume it would have to be an LTS version, and 22.04 & 20.04 don't support IPU6 OOTB either | 19:37 |
| JanC | but I guess maybe they have some OEM support... (somewhere through the extra hardware drivers or such?) | 19:39 |
| parzivaldev | HOlaa | 21:26 |
| parzivaldev | hi. | 21:26 |
| parzivaldev | Alguien conectado? | 21:26 |
| oerheks | !es | 21:27 |
| ubottu | En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. | 21:27 |
| parzivaldev | Gracias! | 21:27 |
| oerheks | have fun! | 21:27 |
| === karenw is now known as KarenTheDorf | ||
| ljbade | what is the process for requesting that Ubuntu Server on ARM64 enable building of a missing kernel module? my MediaTek MT7986 SoC board is missing any Ethernet devices because the required kernel option "# CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_MEDIATEK is not set" is not built as a module | 22:11 |
| ljbade | do I just file a bug report? | 22:11 |
| === pr3sonic is now known as highrate | ||
| tomreyn | ljbade: i'd think so | 22:42 |
| tomreyn | there's also #ubuntu-kernel (if you have much patience) | 22:42 |
| DarkenedGent | I've setup an ubuntu 22.04 LTS server in a software raid1 mirror across two NVME drives. Each drive has 2 partitions, 1 for EFI, and 1 for the filesystem. A volume group was created using the raid1 array and a LV cut out for /. Server boots and runs file but when I test a drive failure by pulling one of the NVME drives the server fails to boot with an error that it could not fine the root | 22:48 |
| DarkenedGent | LV. Any idea where i'm going wrong here? | 22:48 |
| tomreyn | DarkenedGent: is the EFI system partition part of the mirror raid? your bios would possibly have trouble reading, or certainly writing to it. | 22:56 |
| tomreyn | i believe a systemd unit example for keeping two distinct ESPs in sync is provided with the systemd package. | 22:58 |
| DarkenedGent | EFI is on both drives and getting to the boot loader, selecting the kernel and starting the boot is not an issue. | 23:02 |
| DarkenedGent | It basically gets to the init-premount area and dumps me to a busybox. | 23:02 |
| DarkenedGent | Here's a screenshot. https://imgur.com/a/eDt7rDH | 23:03 |
| tomreyn | hmm, not sure why it takes the system ~30s to assemble the raid, does it always take this long or just with one device missing? | 23:06 |
| tomreyn | i'm guessing that this is longer than rootdelay, so if you'll set that to a minute it may be fine. | 23:07 |
| DarkenedGent | I don't know, I havn't been able to ever get past this when booting with a drive missing | 23:07 |
| tomreyn | alternatively you could manually start the lvm | 23:08 |
| DarkenedGent | Where would I set that? and why do I need two, seams like this should just work if it's really for redundancy. | 23:08 |
| tomreyn | on the kernel command line, i.e. via grub.cfg + update-grub | 23:08 |
| tomreyn | if you're using a supported ubuntu kernel and version and this works around it, you could file a bug | 23:10 |
| DarkenedGent | tomreyn: i'm using 22.04 LTS but will probably re-install with 24.04 LTS since it's out and this machine is not yet in production. | 23:14 |
| DarkenedGent | So your saying this is some kind of but in a older release? | 23:15 |
| tomreyn | DarkenedGent: no, i wasn't meaning to say this. | 23:20 |
| tomreyn | just make sure your system is fully updated , includin g the kernel, before you test this, of course. | 23:20 |
| DarkenedGent | tomreyn: what am i testing? | 23:49 |
| DarkenedGent | The system has the latest everything from 22.04 | 23:49 |
| tomreyn | DarkenedGent: okay, that's what i suggested to ensure - nopending updates per apt | 23:54 |
| tomreyn | DarkenedGent: rootdelay defaults to 30 (seconds) according to https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/en/man7/initramfs-tools.7.html , did you try setting rootdelay=60 in /etc/default/grub.cfg (and ran 'sudo update-grub' and rebooted?) | 23:59 |
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