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juliank#startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team15:03
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juliank#topic Lightning rounds15:03
juliank#link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-06-13/15:03
juliankbrb :D15:03
bdmurraybdrung: Mantic isn't EoL yet!15:05
adriendbungert: I've seen launchpad reporting that a package is ready in my PPA and a build triggered after that would still us the previous version :/15:06
bdrungbdmurray, let me check my clock. wait, let me check my timezone... ;)15:06
adrienrmadison is a good idea; do you have a script around it to automate the wait?15:06
dbungertrmadison script to trigger - no but that sounds useful15:07
bdrungadrien, the build needs to be published before it can be used15:07
bdmurrayI wonder if bryce's PPA tools has something15:08
adriennot that I know of; actually I was using ppa-dev-tools to wait on publishing which is the only wait I know of15:08
adrienbdrung: yes, but in practice you need to wait for more than that15:08
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vorlonlaunchpad's definition of "published" is not the same as downloadable from the archive15:09
vorlonso you can't use the api to answer this15:09
adriendbungert: ok, I don't have a need right now but I'll do that next time I need it, we'll see when that happens (I'm usually not fond of rmadison due to how slow it is :/ )15:09
adrienat some point I thought I would chdist apt and poll for changes :D15:10
bdmurrayIts a perl script if anybody is feeling ambitious15:10
adrien:scared:15:11
juliankmoving on15:14
juliank#topic Release incoming bugs15:14
juliank#link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-oo-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:14
juliankI think we talked about bug 1969394 last week15:14
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1969394 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "'Settings & Livepatch' button opens 'settings' tab, not livepatch" [Low, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196939415:14
juliankAh shoot I see now, the comment in there is from 202215:15
vorlondbungert: "rebuild clicks" -> ubuntu-build15:15
juliankHow do we go about approaching this, this needs desktop design work15:15
juliankBut update-manager is our package15:16
bdrungIMO this is a ticket for the desktop team15:16
juliankI left a comment asking15:17
vorlonthe desktop team is not the design team15:17
vorlonis it update-manager that needs to change?15:17
juliankI think you also need software-properties-gtk change15:18
dbungertvorlon: thanks!15:18
vorlondbungert: I posted about ubuntu-build on ubuntu-devel and nobody replied, so I'll be changing it soon to make --batch implicit and the only interface15:18
juliankYou need a separate button for livepatch and that needs then work to start software-properties with the livepatch tab directly?15:18
vorlon(the non "batch" interface is blech)15:18
juliankIn any case we can circle back on this with desktop and/or design15:19
juliankLet's see what they have to say15:19
juliankbug 206904115:19
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2069041 in openssh (Ubuntu) "Changing Port in sshd_config and restarting ssh.service without effect" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206904115:19
juliankThis is a bit unfortunate15:20
juliankenr0n: What does the daemon-reload do?15:21
enr0njuliank: re-runs the generators15:21
vorlonenr0n: you commented that a different command is necessary from the user to restart because you have to do a daemon-reload.  Is there no supported way that we could automatically retrigger the generator on a file change?15:21
juliankenr0n: ah15:21
juliankWe could trigger the generator15:21
juliankBut we don't want to autoreload15:21
juliankBut you'd get a warning15:21
juliankYou'd need a unit to active on the path changed15:21
enr0nI think the answer is basically no, there's not currently a way to make that automagic15:22
enr0nYou could do some things with path units etc., but all would involve having an ExecStart=systemctl daemon-reload somewhere, which I don't think is a good idea15:22
schopina good first step could be to mention that in the default config comments for the Ports option?15:22
tobhe^ thought the same15:22
vorlonI mean, I can think of a way to do it, you can trigger units based on inotify events?15:22
juliankenr0n: I guess my point is with the path unit; you then get a warning that the daemon-reload is needed from systemd15:23
enr0nvorlon: Right, it's not a question of how to trigger the event, it15:23
vorlonbut yeah if you would just be wrapping daemon-reload, then eew15:23
enr0nthe problem is that you would be triggering daemon-reload everytime the config changed, without the admin knowing15:23
vorlonso, in that case we should still prioritize the documentation change15:23
juliankYou can _manually_ trigger the generator, it writes the openssh.socket to the generator dir, and then systemd complains15:24
vorloncomment in the default config file + added to the discourse post15:24
enr0nManually triggering the generator does not help. Still needs to be loaded into the manager15:24
enr0nSo yes, documentation change is best here.15:24
juliankYes the point aggain would have been it told you it's outdated15:24
enr0nOkay, I will assign this to myself15:25
juliankYou know, systemd prints a message when you restart a unit that has changed on disk without reloading :)15:25
juliankbut config documentation probably is nicer in any case15:25
juliank#link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:26
enr0njuliank: yes, I know.15:26
juliankbug 206699515:26
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2066995 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-gtk keeps prompting to report crashes in a loop" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206699515:26
juliankI guess this is in progress already, bdrung15:26
bdrungyes, we have one fix but that might not be enough15:27
schopinThis is a compound issue, we fixed one bug but still don't know what causes the loop.15:27
juliankhmm15:27
vorlonyeah fwiw a chmod of /var/crash hasn't made the problem go away15:27
juliankWell are we to a point where we can analyse it in a pulse?15:27
schopinvorlon: it hasn't? Interesting.15:28
bdrungvorlon, did you also chown the group afterwards?15:28
vorlonthe owning group is whoopsie15:29
juliankCan we not try to debug it here?15:29
bdrungfor all files in /var/crash?15:29
juliankI'll tag it15:29
bdrungwe need to find the reason since there were one other user reporting the same15:29
bdrungso tagging is fine15:29
juliankbug 206893315:30
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2068933 in apport (Ubuntu) "all reports with LaunchpadPrivate in them are tagged need-$arch-retrace" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206893315:30
bdrungyou can tag that as well. that should be easy to fix15:30
juliankdoing so15:30
juliankOK that's it for incoming bugs, mm only has the desktop ones, and jj, ff are empty15:30
juliank#topic Team proposed-migration report15:30
juliank#link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs15:31
juliankvorlon:15:31
* juliank is preparing for apt 2.9.5 which will fix the migration but can't seem to land the final feature missing :D15:31
* juliank also needs to re sortout fwupd-efi15:31
vorlonjuliank: fwupd-efi, we needed a sourceful upload, were you still taking that? ok15:32
vorlonpyopenssl vs python-oauth2client15:32
adrienneeds a new package: https://gitlab.com/adrien-n/python-google-api-core15:32
vorlonadrien: are you still working through this?  making progress?15:32
adrienwell, https://salsa.debian.org/adrien-n/python-google-api-core/15:32
vorlonah15:33
vorlondoes that just need sponsorship to oracular?15:33
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adrienvarious packages had not been updated for four years so there's a lot of debt15:33
adrienI was thinking going through debian as that's the advised way AFAIK15:33
adrien(since it's not packaged yet)15:33
adrienand there was an ITP in debian (opened january 2023, not materialized yet)15:34
juliankYou already broke python-googleapi so let's go jfu it15:34
juliank(to Ubuntu)15:34
vorlonwith my AA and release team hats I'm going to say this is a case you should upload directly to Ubuntu15:34
juliank:D15:34
juliankYes, python3-googleapi in oracular release pocket is broken without it15:35
vorlonunless python-googleapi is removeable instead15:35
adriengood, let's do that then; I'll need minor adjustments to the changelog and maybe control files but I don't expect much15:35
vorloncan I get a volunteer to sponsor adrien's package to the NEW queue?15:35
* juliank need it for reading emails15:35
* juliank volunteers15:35
vorlonthanks15:35
adrienwell, I don't know how long it would take to fix by going through debian15:35
vorlongcc-13: dbungert has this in progress15:35
adrienmaintainer of python-googleapi has not been particularly fast on this15:35
vorlonadrien: yes and that's why we shouldn't wait, for something that is on our todo list :)15:36
schopinjuliank: is that needed for lieer?15:36
adrienyes15:36
vorlonlibsub-override-perl... hang on, what's happening here, didn't I see libsub-prototype-perl on component-mismatches for demotion?15:36
adrienvorlon: let me see what I can prepare before EOD15:36
vorlonhmm no it has always been in universe15:36
vorloncpete: so is the MIR for this still in progress?15:37
cpete_backupvorlon: MIR is ready for review15:37
cpete_backupI can take something else15:37
vorlonis there someone who can move that MIR forward? I guess slyon isn't here in the meeting15:38
vorloncpete_backup: right, libsub-override-perl is listed on https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/component-mismatches-proposed.html for demotion15:39
vorlonso... if I demote it then no MIR is needed15:39
cpete_backup...ah. TIL to check that15:40
vorlonapt: juliank?15:40
vorlondanilogondolfo: are you still working on git?15:40
vorlonah you mentioned ikiwiki-hosting in your report so I guess so :)15:40
danilogondolfovorlon, yes, I'm testing fixes for both regressions15:40
vorlonginggs: you had systemd last week, I still see a lot of autopkgtest regressions that persisted on retry, do you know what the story is here?15:42
vorlonand does enr0n want to look at these15:42
vorlonbdrung: dracut vs systemd, any progress on that one specifically?15:42
enr0nvorlon: I am planning to upload systemd today, so yes I have this15:42
ginggsthere are a lot of "out of disk space" errors, and enr0n is planning another upload15:42
vorlonok15:43
bdrungvorlon, yes, new dracut merged, found and addressed one bug, but still more to fix15:43
vorlonzhsj: and I see you're still working on fakeroot15:43
zhsjyes15:43
vorlonlibxml-libxml-perl is a desktop-owned lib transition15:43
vorlonand openjdk-21 is just waiting for test results15:43
vorlonso nothing new to assign out right now!15:44
vorlonjuliank:15:44
juliank#topic AOB15:44
juliankI just realized I wrote "to dumb", I meant to dump, but I will argue I meant "to dump in a dumb way" as a word play15:44
juliank(https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/apt/-/merge_requests/354 ftr)15:44
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Merge 354 in apt-team/apt "edsp: Parse source version from the Source-Version field" [Merged]15:44
vorlonmentioned in my status report and by email, but I'm OoO for 3 weeks starting Monday15:47
juliankI think I'll just release apt 2.9.5 now, plenty of bug fixes, just no new features :(15:47
vorlonso get in your last-minute panicked requests today15:47
bdmurrayI'll be OoO next week and tomorrow15:47
juliank#endmeeting15:55
meetingologyMeeting ended at 15:55:33 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-06-13-15.03.moin.txt15:55
adrienmaybe a good way to find if a package is published is to try to curl it directly since its location is predictable, e.g. https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/adrien/python-google-api-core/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-google-api-core/python3-google-api-core_2.19.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb16:40
adrienhah, my squid-deb-proxy has cached the 403 I had received for the repo when it wasn't setup yet!16:43

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