| oerheks | gnome2 gtk2 kde5 ... wait for kde6 | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| leftyfb | grolongo: the actual answer was in the first link given you to | 00:00 |
| oerheks | maybe this 24.04 LTS should not be called LTS | 00:01 |
| bparker | I feel like systemd is the opposite of progress lately | 00:01 |
| grolongo | oerheks: that I agree | 00:01 |
| grolongo | progress... I call that "enshittification" except the profits won't come lol | 00:01 |
| oerheks | systemd timers in soconds are a breeze | 00:01 |
| leftyfb | bparker: please stop on topic here | 00:01 |
| oerheks | c/seconds | 00:01 |
| bparker | oerheks: so easy I have no idea how to do it | 00:02 |
| leftyfb | stop/stay | 00:02 |
| bparker | I think it is on topic | 00:02 |
| grolongo | leftyfb: you have been helpful and I thank you for that, but the fact that you were struggling with me earlier to pinpoint where my issues were doesn't prove my point? | 00:02 |
| leftyfb | grolongo: we're here to provide support, not prove points | 00:03 |
| leftyfb | grolongo: feel free to rant in #ubuntu-offtopic | 00:03 |
| leftyfb | they love it over there | 00:03 |
| younder | Let's face it people get pissed off when things don't work like they expect. That doesn't mean the changes are bad, but they could be communicated better | 00:06 |
| bparker | it might not but I feel like in this case, a great many people believe it is | 00:07 |
| younder | People go to the web to find help. So I guess the suggestion I would make for Ubuntu at least is to always check the date and the release before they just make a change. | 00:15 |
| younder | A Doh I guess, but we have all fallen into that trap | 00:16 |
| grolongo | younder: You know how to change a car's wheel right? 1. jack up the car 2. remove lug nuts 3. mount spare wheel. Simple, effective, universal. Now a car manufacturer decides to change this, you now have to open the hood, remove some unrelated cable and unlock the option on the digital screen in the front seat. Except that it's barely mentioned in the car documentation and worse, it's not even working as it's supposed to be. Is it a | 00:17 |
| grolongo | change? | 00:17 |
| leftyfb | grolongo: that's enough. Take ranting to #ubuntu-offtopic or the forums | 00:18 |
| === aragubas1 is now known as aragubas | ||
| aragubas | ok, I'm having that internet issue I mentioned earlier this morning | 00:19 |
| leftyfb | aragubas: which issue is that? | 00:20 |
| aragubas | I think we might have a new "Can't print on Thursday" | 00:20 |
| leftyfb | today is Saturday | 00:20 |
| younder | A Linux system is more like a organism composed of thousands of parts that need to be integrated and that function, but just barely, and you just try to keep your head above water | 00:20 |
| leftyfb | younder: stop | 00:20 |
| younder | In my experience | 00:21 |
| aragubas | leftyfb so, this morning my internet was working fine, I was getting 500 down and 500 up, but now it's past 8 AM and I'm getting 1 Mbps down and 600 up | 00:21 |
| aragubas | I had this same issue yesterday, | 00:21 |
| leftyfb | aragubas: sounds like an ISP/hardware issue | 00:21 |
| aragubas | if I boot Fedora workstation LiveCD I get 100 Mbps down and 600 up (which is still, not correct) | 00:21 |
| leftyfb | aragubas: contact your ISP | 00:22 |
| aragubas | it's not my ISP, because the other devices are working | 00:22 |
| leftyfb | aragubas: then it might be an issue with your hardware | 00:22 |
| aragubas | :( | 00:22 |
| leftyfb | aragubas: if you're also having the same issue with a different distro on the same hardware, the issue isn't ubuntu | 00:23 |
| aragubas | well, this is so weird because, on macOS, Windows and Fedora I don't have this issue | 00:23 |
| aragubas | and yes I hackintoshed this baby as well | 00:23 |
| leftyfb | you just said you have the issue with fedora | 00:23 |
| aragubas | I mean, 100 Mbps ain't 1Mbps, I can barely load google | 00:24 |
| aragubas | at least it's usable at 100 Mbps | 00:24 |
| aragubas | tho it's still reduced speed | 00:24 |
| aragubas | btw my Ethernet NIC is the RTL8111/8168/8211/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c) | 00:26 |
| aragubas | ok it's actually my ISP, sorry | 00:45 |
| aragubas | tested on my other devices, and it's even worse xD | 00:45 |
| younder | Thanks for letting us know. | 00:51 |
| === aragubas1 is now known as aragubas | ||
| oerheks | bing | 01:38 |
| Trevor | Pretty good for image search, but for everything else, I prefer Google's engine, either directly or through DuckDuckGo. | 01:39 |
| bparker | yandex | 01:42 |
| oerheks | x/twitter | 01:42 |
| bparker | xitter | 01:42 |
| oerheks | assange should freenode | 01:44 |
| el | oerheks: please not here. | 02:45 |
| === diceLibrarian2 is now known as liceDibrarain | ||
| junyx | What certification should I look into if I want to get really good with linux? | 03:48 |
| universum | hi i have a question. is ubuntu os secure or i have to mody something first. | 03:49 |
| universum | (22.04) | 03:50 |
| Bashing-om | universum: All closed by default - nothing to do // until you explicitly open ports. | 03:52 |
| universum | good, i dont have open ports on the router ( no forwarded), | 03:52 |
| butch | Which Anti-virus software is good for Ubuntu? | 03:54 |
| Bashing-om | !virus | butch | 03:55 |
| ubottu | butch: Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, except where files are then passed to Windows computers (perhaps using Samba). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus | 03:55 |
| junyx | Bashing-om um that's not true... | 03:57 |
| === buzz_ is now known as Guest8898 | ||
| Fuzzy_Buzz | Hi all | 05:02 |
| junyx | What is the purpose of the Birth field seen in the output of the stat command? I created a file with touch but I don't see anything in that field. | 05:11 |
| rbox | junyx: depends on the filesystem | 05:15 |
| junyx | Yeah someone was saying on #linux its not used in most file systems | 05:15 |
| junyx | Would be nice to see when the resource was created | 05:15 |
| rbox | so use a filesystem that implements it | 05:19 |
| junyx | Ok thanks | 05:20 |
| luckylinux | Is there a known issue where files in /etc/modules-load.d/*.conf are NOT loaded during boot ? On Ubuntu 24.04 I have /etc/modules-load.d/beep.conf containing pcspkr, but it's NOT getting loaded. modinfo shows that the module exists, while lsmod | grep -i pcspkr shows nothing. I already rebuilt initramfs and GRUB, then rebooted (several times). | 05:42 |
| luckylinux | Or the first line is ALWAYS ignored ? I just had the module name there, NOT the first line # This will load the PC Speaker Module (or something like that) | 05:43 |
| luckylinux | Nope, it's not that :(. It's betting completely ignored | 05:48 |
| luckylinux | Is there any way to troubleshoot systemd-modules-load.service not doing anything ? The status and journal just shows "systemd-modules-load.service: Changed dead -> exited" twice | 05:50 |
| luckylinux | Actually I cannot even enable systemctl enable systemd-modules-load.service ... It gives The unit files have no installation config (WantedBy=, RequiredBy=, UpheldBy=,. Weird | 06:01 |
| luckylinux | I'm not getting any errors. It's "just" NOT doing anything | 06:06 |
| luckylinux | The only "error" I see (but I see for a whole range of systemd services) is: systemd-modules-load.service: Failed to send unit change signal for systemd-modules-load.service: Connection reset by peer | 06:08 |
| luckylinux | I set Sysloglevel=debug in the service file and now get Module 'pcspkr' is deny-listed (by kmod) | 06:12 |
| luckylinux | It was blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf -> # ugly and loud noise, getting on everyone's nerves; this should be done by a | 06:16 |
| luckylinux | # nice pulseaudio bing (Ubuntu: #77010). Duh | 06:16 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 77010 in One Hundred Papercuts "Overuse of system beep without volume control" [High, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77010 | 06:16 | |
| lotuspsychj3 | luckylinux: please dont use this channel to describe every step you take, ask a question then await until volunteers pick up on your issues | 06:16 |
| luckylinux | lotuspsychj3: Sorry :(. But I managed to solve it thankfully. So better that nobody spends time on this when the issue is already solved. | 06:18 |
| lotuspsychj3 | !yay | 06:18 |
| ubottu | Glad you made it! :-) | 06:18 |
| viva | anyone here use yt-dlp ? | 06:20 |
| bparker | lots of people | 06:21 |
| viva | does anyone have as varied of an experience with it as i do? im having zero consistency doing things other than a simple yt-dlp "link"... particularly cutting video clips/segments. | 06:21 |
| bparker | I think 99% of people do not try to cut clips with it | 06:22 |
| bparker | I would leave that to ffmpeg or an mpv script afterwards | 06:22 |
| viva | i have currently around 5 different "variations" of options and methods mixed together to make clips and STILL get wildly differing results | 06:22 |
| viva | so even the ffmpeg stuff, when optioned using the --externald-downloader-args (or whatever it is) fails me | 06:22 |
| luckylinux | I tried yt-dlp yesterday and it took AGES to download at 1-2 MiB/s. And when it was finished, I had a 1GB .webm (IIRC the extension) which I couldn't play with anything | 06:23 |
| bparker | luckylinux: because that was the requested format, you can choose other ones | 06:23 |
| bparker | or have it remux into a new container | 06:23 |
| viva | maybe i need to try mpv? yt-dlp "suggests" they fixed this problem with the --download-sections option, but that ALSO gives wildly differing results (audio only, video only, wrong time stamps, etc. etc.) | 06:23 |
| bparker | viva: I use a script that lets me set start/end times by a hotkey while playing, then it muxes that into a new file, so no recompression necessary | 06:24 |
| viva | im unfamiliar, "muxes" like tmux? are you using a tiling wm? | 06:24 |
| bparker | of course with simple muxing you won't get frame-perfect cuts, it will be relative to a keyframe | 06:24 |
| bparker | viva: no, muxing as a video thing | 06:25 |
| viva | hmm, i need to google i think | 06:25 |
| luckylinux | bparker: ah alright, I need to specify some extra options like .mp4 format or something. I guess I'll make a Script wrapper then :) | 06:25 |
| viva | oh multiplexing | 06:25 |
| bparker | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexing#Video_processing | 06:25 |
| bparker | webm and mp4 are just container formats | 06:26 |
| bparker | so you need a muxer to put audio and video streams into such a file | 06:26 |
| viva | so clipping/transforming youtube DLs is considered a component of multiplexing? didnt realize that | 06:26 |
| viva | OH | 06:26 |
| bparker | only IF nothing was ever recompressed, then yes | 06:26 |
| bparker | otherwise you're simple re-encoding | 06:26 |
| bparker | (and probably re-muxing afterwards too either way) | 06:27 |
| viva | ok thx, this would explain why getting it out the way i want it, in a one liner, is a bit of a trick | 06:27 |
| bparker | well it can still do it for you | 06:27 |
| viva | do you happen to know why some formats are unavailable for yt-dlp? i get that like, video quality resolutions may be unavailable but sometimes i'll download 1 yt vid and its avialble to be downloaded in webm, mp4, etc. other times webm isnt an option... is that related to what you just mentioned? | 06:28 |
| bparker | you can either ask yt-dlp to find a complete, existing mp4 file on youtube and download that version (which often works fine), *or* you can ask it to remux separate streams into some other specific container you specify (like mp4 if the codecs are compatible) after it is done downloading the stream itself | 06:28 |
| viva | ok so its a codec compat issue when im finding format unavailability? that makes sense, but i dont understand why there would be incompatibilty... | 06:29 |
| viva | unless the original file that gets uploaded to youtube is preserved or affects the way that youtube is able to render the file? | 06:29 |
| viva | i thought yt takes your video, in whatever format, transforms it into a format they want to employ for sharing and that was that? but perhaps codec and formatting are still preserved to some extent in the final shared video which constrains how it can be processed/downloaded by yt-dlp? does that sorta sound right? | 06:30 |
| bparker | webm is often picked by yt-dlp because codecs like say, VP9 or AV1, won't work in an mp4 | 06:31 |
| viva | and the "i think" part of that statemtn is more "i guessed" | 06:31 |
| viva | i have no actual understanding of what yt is/isnt doing with the uploads | 06:31 |
| viva | bparker: i see, lucky for me i prefer webm | 06:31 |
| bparker | yt-dlp usually never re-encodes anything by default unless you explicitly ask it to, it just re-muxes after downloading a stream of format X (whatever you specify or it could find) | 06:31 |
| bparker | and it tries to find compatible combinations whenever possible | 06:32 |
| bparker | but it will error if you try to do things that are impossible, like force VP9 into an MP4 | 06:32 |
| bparker | as for why certain formats are available for certain YT videos and not others, I'm not really sure, it could be a combination of things like when the video was uploaded versus what formats were actually supported at that time (I think they usually don't ever "re-encode" anything or add additional format encodes later on if they don't have to) | 06:34 |
| viva | ah, makes sense | 06:34 |
| bparker | the only time I recall them actually re-encoding everything manually was when they switched away from flash/FLV video to HTML5-based playback with h264/etc. | 06:35 |
| luckylinux | but then why cannot I play .webm files with any player ? VLC also fails | 06:38 |
| luckylinux | Missing Codecs ? | 06:39 |
| luckylinux | I was thinking more of a corrupted file seeing how yt-dlp stopped then restarted like 20 timees | 06:39 |
| viva | luckylinux: webm should work OOB with vlc... ubuntu (right?) i just did a clean install of 24.04 and mines worked OOB | 06:41 |
| viva | well i opted for the "complete" install, which included libre office (i think?) and all that jazz, which is typically irregular for me | 06:42 |
| viva | in fact, installing ubuntu is irregular for me. im a debian user, but the damn thing kept failing to install over and over again... plus i did a minimal install last time and it didnt install friggin man pages and shit, so im gun shy. | 06:42 |
| viva | i had a heck of a time getting gnome to look like kde | 06:43 |
| viva | and speaking of... due to my lack of deep familiarity with linux i tend to get excessivley hung up on things like installing a distro with a particular DE/WM and then wanting to add/change the DE/WM is this an irrational hang up or is adding a DE on top of another already existing DE bloating and modifying the OS in a way that is not ideal? | 06:44 |
| bparker | webm works fine here with both vlc and mpv | 06:45 |
| bparker | probably just your file | 06:45 |
| bparker | make sure yt-dlp is up to date also | 06:46 |
| bparker | YT changes things all the time | 06:46 |
| luckylinux | viva: 00B ? I also have Libreoffice etc installed but no joy | 06:47 |
| luckylinux | And I installed quite a bit on top of it as well | 06:48 |
| viva | OOB - out of box | 06:48 |
| luckylinux | Thx for the explanation :) | 06:48 |
| luckylinux | Nope. Same on another Ubuntu with even more Packages Installed. VLC Says "Check the log for more details". Where is the log ? | 06:48 |
| viva | prob in /var/log/ ? | 06:50 |
| Abrax | anybody know why urls are added to the right click menu of chrome when i open link from here | 06:50 |
| viva | Preferences -> Interface tab -> Show settings (at bottom) = "ALL" -then-> Advanced -> Logger. | 06:50 |
| viva | Abrax: what browser or irc client are you using? | 06:51 |
| Abrax | chrome browser and weechat | 06:51 |
| viva | whats your default browser set as in ubuntu? | 06:51 |
| luckylinux | viva: Thanks, nothing was set | 06:51 |
| luckylinux | Now I write to ~/Log/vlc.log | 06:51 |
| Abrax | chrome browser | 06:51 |
| viva | http://test.red | 06:51 |
| Abrax | using kde plasma | 06:52 |
| viva | hmm im using de-googled chromium here, and not seeing that behavior | 06:52 |
| viva | the link is showing up in the r click context menu, along with the other options? open in new tab, open in priv tab, etc.? | 06:52 |
| Abrax | very weird behavior | 06:52 |
| Abrax | ya | 06:52 |
| Abrax | shows up in the r click context menu | 06:52 |
| viva | mind taking a screen shot? | 06:53 |
| viva | and sharing? https://freeimghost.net | 06:53 |
| Abrax | its not ubuntu | 06:53 |
| Abrax | but should be able to be teh same solution | 06:53 |
| viva | you're not using ubuntu? or you dont think its the OS doing it? | 06:53 |
| viva | using a deb* OS? | 06:53 |
| Abrax | its garuda | 06:54 |
| viva | err... debian based distro* | 06:54 |
| Abrax | but should be the same solution for kde plasma | 06:54 |
| viva | oh i see arch | 06:54 |
| viva | hrm, might be out my wheel house here | 06:54 |
| luckylinux | It's firejail. Even with a noblacklist it still won't allow me to access the folder | 06:55 |
| Abrax | https://imgur.com/EIvDntJ | 06:55 |
| Abrax | context menu for sure | 06:55 |
| Abrax | just add its and need to be cleared out | 06:55 |
| viva | oh, interesting its interpreting the link as though its a file of uknown extension or some such | 06:56 |
| viva | or at least thats what it appears to be doing | 06:56 |
| Abrax | ya | 06:56 |
| viva | touch a new file call it rando.mfile or some shit, an unknown extension | 06:56 |
| viva | then right click it | 06:56 |
| Abrax | create a new file? | 06:56 |
| viva | yeah | 06:57 |
| Abrax | what would that accomplish | 06:57 |
| Abrax | i created the file | 06:58 |
| viva | ok r click it | 06:58 |
| viva | see what happens | 06:58 |
| Abrax | nothing | 06:59 |
| viva | You dont see a similar icon? | 06:59 |
| Abrax | only happens if i try to right clickk and open link here | 06:59 |
| viva | the file icon with a ? | 06:59 |
| Abrax | nah | 06:59 |
| Abrax | just shows as a file | 06:59 |
| viva | ok it was a sanity check to see if we were on the right path regarding the thinking that it was a "defaults" issue | 06:59 |
| viva | we would expect a file of unknown extension to behave similarly when r clicked | 07:00 |
| viva | hmm, im reaching the limits of my linux familiarity here... my next thought we be to create a shortcut (.url?) then right click that and see if arch acts similarly | 07:00 |
| subham | hi | 07:00 |
| viva | i just dont know how shortcuts are made or what extension they are... | 07:00 |
| viva | errr.... hyperlink shortcuts | 07:01 |
| Abrax | would it be possible to clear out the stuff in the r menu | 07:01 |
| Abrax | in kde | 07:01 |
| viva | well, i think if you did that it would remove that same feature when you actually need it | 07:02 |
| Abrax | just want to clear out the menu | 07:02 |
| viva | though based on the test we just did it seems to be picking and choosing when/if it wants to identify a link/shortcut/file/etc as unknown or whatever that icon means | 07:02 |
| Abrax | and dont really need it to do that | 07:02 |
| Abrax | when i right click and open link here it will open in chrome and add it to the r click menu | 07:03 |
| Abrax | i want to clear the menu out now | 07:03 |
| viva | ok so im seeing context menu editors for xfce, basically all DEs except kde | 07:06 |
| viva | the info im getting online suggests that KDEs context menu cannot be edited... and you /can/ install a context menu replacement which can be edited via config file | 07:07 |
| viva | dont take my word on this though, these articles might be dated or just wrong | 07:07 |
| Abrax | taht is weird | 07:08 |
| viva | ok try this | 07:08 |
| Abrax | so whenever you open the link you will always add a new url to your contect menu forever | 07:08 |
| viva | right click the right click menu item.... hover over that ? icon and right click it see if a properties option appears | 07:08 |
| Abrax | context | 07:08 |
| Abrax | you cannot right click the right click menu | 07:09 |
| viva | oh gosh, you're saying that not only is it queerly adding the URL as an item in the context menu but its STORING it (and any other URLs clicked?) in the context menu indefinitely? (or until reboot or some such?) | 07:09 |
| viva | "you cannot right click the right click menu"; abrax: you tried and got nothing? | 07:10 |
| viva | cause what im hoping is this happens: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/m6thl7/til_that_you_can_rightclick_the_rightclick/#lightbox | 07:10 |
| Abrax | ya you cannot right click the right click menu | 07:15 |
| viva | hmm | 07:18 |
| viva | luckylinux: when did you install firejail? was it to get around the SUID issue until a solution is distributed? | 07:22 |
| luckylinux | viva: no, just to sandbox applications as much as possible. Turns out for some apps you need BOTH noblacklist <path> AND whitelist <path> | 07:23 |
| luckylinux | Using only one of those does NOT work | 07:23 |
| luckylinux | in your ~/.config/firejail/vlc.local I mean | 07:23 |
| bparker | I don't trust firejail, it has attack surface the size of the moon | 07:24 |
| viva | bparker: my first time hearing about it. i thought it was related to the SUID panic that was in the news recently | 07:25 |
| Abrax | ooh i cleared history and it got rid of it | 07:25 |
| viva | im also wondering just how much of an issue that is, in reality... to the standard at home linux user | 07:25 |
| viva | abrax: you never mentioned (i dont think) when you r. click multiple URLs is it storing ALL of them in the context menu? | 07:25 |
| luckylinux | bparker: well there is bwrap / bubblewrap but nowhere near the easiness of use of firejail. Is something better than nothing ? Yes. Is it the best solution ? No | 07:26 |
| viva | luckylinux: i guess im just risking it all then? | 07:28 |
| Abrax | its storing them in recent files | 07:29 |
| Abrax | i just cleared it and they were removed from the context menu | 07:29 |
| luckylinux | viva: without anything ? That's what I was doing until 1 Month ago or so ... So I can see the benefit. E.g. 1 Rogue APP will not delete you entire $HOME. But yeah, it can be a PITA to configure so you can do your work when you need to. | 07:31 |
| luckylinux | And it's of course NOT a perfect solution | 07:31 |
| luckylinux | It's a choice. Ease of use vs protection. Tradeoff | 07:31 |
| viva | Abrax: that makes sense, and also why our sanity check failed (the creation of uknown extension files) | 07:33 |
| viva | So just set a chron job to remove stuff out the recent files menu? | 07:33 |
| viva | or symlink the recent files dir to /dev/null ? | 07:33 |
| viva | supposing you dont care about any recent files (i dont either, i find the concept an annoyance) | 07:34 |
| viva | luckylinux: oh i feel you, i just... im unsure of what is/isnt risky behavior i thought we enjoyed a certain baseline of security on linux (though i know this in no way means we're immune to any attack) | 07:34 |
| luckylinux | viva: this is enlighting but do NOT read if you don't want to know - https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/guides/linux-hardening.html | 07:38 |
| luckylinux | Something can be tuned via sysctls, some blacklisting network/fs/other Modules. SELinux > apparmor IMHO. But then ... you have to dig out why X app is not working the way it should. That can take a LOT of time to troubleshoot | 07:39 |
| luckylinux | And I'm by no means a Security Expert, but I can definitively see why some aspects of Linux are not that secure ... | 07:39 |
| bparker | PSA madaidan is not the most well-trusted source of accurate and up to date information | 07:41 |
| viva | heeded, but im qutie green to this so im sure its going to be of benefit | 07:42 |
| luckylinux | Well I still believe it's good to read and have some critical thinking about it | 07:43 |
| luckylinux | Not everybody that writes and article is an expert, true | 07:43 |
| luckylinux | But I still believe it's worth to have a read, investigate, and make up your own opinion | 07:43 |
| luckylinux | PSA ... Well, if it's what I think it is (quite the insult !), then you'd better come out with some BETTER stuff | 07:44 |
| luckylinux | because everybody can say something is bad. Are you doing something better ? | 07:44 |
| bparker | why are chefs baking bread? there's buildings to construct | 07:46 |
| luckylinux | Very useful ... Again I'm open to listen. But please bring out constructive arguments | 07:46 |
| viva | any yall got experience working in another country as a migrant worker? | 07:47 |
| tomreyn | please all note that this is a support channel, not a place for discussions to be had | 07:47 |
| tomreyn | the topic being ubuntu support (nothing else). there are a lot of other channels and you're welcome to continue there | 07:48 |
| viva | does anyone know the name of that tool that gives you a brief explanation and example/demo of what a cmd does? its kinda like apropos but a little bit more helpful | 08:13 |
| spinningCat | viva, what about man page? | 08:27 |
| viva | looking for something a little less daunting than the man page itself but slightly more helpful than apropos | 08:31 |
| viva | i am getting better at grepping so i can sorta sift thru to the option or segement in question im after... but there was a util that i used to use that gave a brief explanation and demo of the most common uses and options of a command in a one liner (or not much longer) format | 08:32 |
| gordonjcp | viva: info? | 08:36 |
| gordonjcp | viva: Arch Linux wiki? | 08:37 |
| viva | ubuntu | 08:39 |
| bodhi_ | Hello World! | 08:39 |
| viva | this was a cmdline tool | 08:39 |
| bodhi_ | stup bodhi linux | 08:40 |
| viva | ah its tldr | 08:40 |
| viva | im tryign to identify why a port is in use, i used lsof to identify two PIDs that are using the port and im having trouble identifying the process name... | 09:10 |
| viva | when i type ps -aux the PIDs arent there | 09:10 |
| === michelangelo is now known as Guest2725 | ||
| viva | is there a way to use ps along with a PID? | 09:11 |
| viva | nvm its `ps PID` | 09:12 |
| viva | and i was typing the PID wrong | 09:12 |
| lotuspsychj3 | viva: these kinda of questions are really not ubuntu specific, see the #linux channel for general linux/command questions | 09:22 |
| tomreyn | i'd say it's perfectly fine to ask questions about generic linux user space utilities available on ubuntu here | 09:27 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:14 |
| iconoclasthero | my do-release-upgrade from 22.40 to 24.04 failed. for some reason my backscroll wasn't working and I was not able to capture why, but there were problems with a lot of python modules. | 12:29 |
| iconoclasthero | i booted into the btrfs snapshot i took before attempting so i guess this is what having a backup feels like. | 12:30 |
| iconoclasthero | is there any point in trying it again or some way to log the process or was there a log or how do i get to 24.04 in the least painful fashion while preserving all of my 22.04 configurations? | 12:31 |
| iconoclasthero | /var/log/dist-upgrade/ is empty | 12:35 |
| guiverc | iconoclasthero, upgrades from 22.04 to 24.04 won't open until after 24.04.1 is released; the release notes for 24.04 said this will occur on or after 15 August 2024 | 12:37 |
| iconoclasthero | not sure what that meams. | 12:38 |
| iconoclasthero | obviously, do-release-upgrade -d attempted to install 24.04 | 12:38 |
| iconoclasthero | so how are those two things squared? | 12:38 |
| guiverc | the `-d` is there for quality assurance testing; bug reporting etc. (use a development upgrade before its deemed stable/open) | 12:39 |
| iconoclasthero | I don't understand what your point is | 12:43 |
| iconoclasthero | it should upgrade to whatever's in the -d release | 12:43 |
| iconoclasthero | the release notes just say that it won't be made available, not that it won't work, "Users of 22.04 LTS however will be offered the automatic upgrade when 24.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for the 15th of August." | 12:44 |
| JanC | it means that only people who do development/testing should use it | 12:44 |
| iconoclasthero | ok, well i want to test it on my system | 12:44 |
| iconoclasthero | when it doesn't upgrade why ? | 12:44 |
| iconoclasthero | how do i track that dow? | 12:44 |
| iconoclasthero | n? | 12:44 |
| guiverc | your description reminds me of bug reports I've seen iconoclasthero , but I don't recall enough detail to be of any help sorry | 12:44 |
| JanC | you could try looking if there are existing bug reports indeed | 12:45 |
| iconoclasthero | how can i log do-release-upgrade? | 12:45 |
| guiverc | ubuntu-release-upgrader package | 12:46 |
| JanC | it should already log | 12:46 |
| JanC | if not, maybe there is another bug | 12:47 |
| iconoclasthero | does it normally delete it's logs if it fails? | 12:47 |
| iconoclasthero | because /var/log/dist-upgrade was empty | 12:47 |
| iconoclasthero | now that it's running again, main.log exists. | 12:47 |
| JanC | deleting logs when things go wrong (=when they are most useful) would be stupid, right? :) | 12:48 |
| iconoclasthero | sure would be | 12:48 |
| iconoclasthero | that's why i'm nonplussed at the empty directory | 12:48 |
| iconoclasthero | oh. | 12:48 |
| iconoclasthero | the snapshot rollback | 12:48 |
| dbolser | hi | 13:12 |
| dbolser | I burned an ubuntu iso, but when I try to boot from it, I just get the word GRUB, and nothing progresses... | 13:13 |
| dbolser | I'm coming from an ancient mint install | 13:13 |
| dbolser | Not sure what to do | 13:13 |
| irgendwer4711 | hi, where is the binary package for the game 0ad? There is some data package but not binary... | 13:13 |
| dbolser | When I plug in the USB, it automounts and 'looks' fine... should I do the MD5SUM check? | 13:13 |
| dbolser | Getting some FAILED when I run md5sum --check in the drive :-/ | 13:15 |
| dbolser | dbolser@dbolser-Latitude-E6520 /media/dbolser/Ubuntu-Server 24.04 LTS amd64 $ md5sum --check md5sum.txt | 13:15 |
| dbolser | ./pool/restricted/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers-535-server/libnvidia-extra-535-server_535.161.08-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb: FAILED | 13:15 |
| dbolser | I could try burning it again I guess? | 13:15 |
| dbolser | sudo dd if=/home/dbolser/Downloads/ubuntu-24.04-live-server-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc | 13:17 |
| JanC | irgendwer4711: it's called '0ad', but it seems like it's missing from recent distro versions indeed, I don't know by | 13:18 |
| JanC | irgendwer4711: did you try searching for a relevant bug report? | 13:18 |
| irgendwer4711 | JanC: not yet | 13:19 |
| dbolser | Hmm... Should have unmounted first :( | 13:19 |
| JanC | https://packages.ubuntu.com/0ad shows it was still in mantic (23.10) but not in noble (24.04) or oracular (development version) | 13:21 |
| irgendwer4711 | JanC: seems to be planned for 24.10 | 13:22 |
| irgendwer4711 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/0ad | 13:22 |
| JanC | if that works, maybe they can backport to 24.04 also | 13:25 |
| irgendwer4711 | seems to be a little late | 13:25 |
| JanC | it could go to -backports | 13:26 |
| irgendwer4711 | I am confused, apt show me Version 0..0.26-1 for 0ad data packages | 13:26 |
| dbolser | Can I cat the /dev/sdb to md5sum? | 13:29 |
| JanC | irgendwer4711: why does that confuse you? | 13:30 |
| irgendwer4711 | JanC: because there are 2 of 3 needed packages avaiable | 13:30 |
| JanC | 0ad & 0ad-data are separate source packages | 13:31 |
| dbolser | bah. somehting aint right... seems to be two partitions on sdc | 13:31 |
| irgendwer4711 | JanC: 0ad-data is game data | 13:32 |
| JanC | I assume the game engine ('0ad') can (at least in theory) be used with other "maps" than the default ('0ad-data') "map" | 13:33 |
| irgendwer4711 | no you need all 3 packages | 13:36 |
| irgendwer4711 | and the other 2 are linked to 0ad | 13:37 |
| JanC | to play the official game, yes | 13:37 |
| JanC | (there appears to be a "modder" community that makes alternative maps & scenarios, so technically you don't need the official game data, which is why there is no hard dependency, I suppose) | 13:43 |
| lubuntu | Hello | 14:05 |
| realivanjx | what is port 56898 by rsyslogd used for? can i turn it off? | 14:13 |
| tomreyn | realivanjx: a web search for this port number and rsyslog doesn't bring up anything useful, which makes me think that's not a port which rsyslogd usually listens on. | 14:22 |
| tomreyn | what makes you say it does? | 14:23 |
| tomreyn | dbolser: did you get it sorted, yet? | 14:26 |
| tomreyn | dbolser: here's how you can check whether an .iso written to a usb stick was written properly: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/75483/how-to-check-if-the-iso-was-written-to-my-usb-stick-without-errors/75513#75513 | 14:28 |
| tomreyn | you can also use the balena etcher GUI tool, which also verifies the written data by default. | 14:28 |
| realivanjx | tomreyn: netstat says that | 14:31 |
| realivanjx | ubuntu 22.04.4 server | 14:31 |
| tomreyn | realivanjx: what does netstat say exactly? can you share the line of output? | 14:34 |
| realivanjx | tomreyn: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:56898 0.0.0.0:* 1119139/rsyslogd | 14:36 |
| realivanjx | the columns: Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name | 14:37 |
| tomreyn | i'm guessing this may be imudp, the syslog input module's port | 14:42 |
| ravage | but that is not active by default and not on that port | 14:42 |
| ravage | https://p.haxxors.com/l90nefxa.txt | 14:43 |
| tomreyn | realivanjx: which parameters did you pass to netstat? because this is not the default output? | 14:46 |
| realivanjx | tomreyn: -plntu | 14:46 |
| realivanjx | dont ask me what they actually mean but i have been using that for years | 14:47 |
| ravage | also just do a "sudo grep -r 56898 /etc" | 14:47 |
| ravage | that may be enough to find out that it is | 14:47 |
| realivanjx | ravage: it returns nothing | 14:48 |
| ravage | is it in "sudo ss -lntu" ? | 14:49 |
| realivanjx | ravage: yes: udp UNCONN 0 0 0.0.0.0:56898 0.0.0.0:* | 14:49 |
| ravage | and sudo "udo lsof -iUDP -n -P" also shows rsyslogd as the command? | 14:50 |
| ravage | +s | 14:50 |
| realivanjx | rsyslogd 1119139 syslog 7u IPv4 11782954 0t0 UDP *:56898 | 14:51 |
| realivanjx | how can i get a path of a pid? | 14:51 |
| ravage | cat /proc/1119139/cmdline | 14:53 |
| realivanjx | lsof of the pid: https://pastebin.com/1KDmxUyf | 14:55 |
| upstart | what is all this? | 14:56 |
| realivanjx | rsyslogd listening on an unknown port | 14:56 |
| tomreyn | ps -F 1119139 | 14:57 |
| realivanjx | tomreyn: /usr/sbin/rsyslogd -n -iNONE | 14:57 |
| ravage | is it the legit rsyslogd but that port must be set somewhere | 14:58 |
| tomreyn | well it could be a dynamically assigned port | 14:58 |
| ravage | that would be very weird | 14:59 |
| realivanjx | yes i believe it is a random port but why listen on 0.0.0.0? | 14:59 |
| ravage | right. 0.0.0.0 makes no sense here | 14:59 |
| tomreyn | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71577986/rsyslog-listening-on-ephemeral-high-port | 15:01 |
| realivanjx | i do send syslog into another centralized logging server though | 15:01 |
| realivanjx | rsyslog.conf: *.* @server-ip:5144 | 15:02 |
| ravage | yes thats it | 15:04 |
| ravage | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:44283 0.0.0.0:* 102 1087835 1424/rsyslogd | 15:04 |
| ravage | showed up after i added a remote source | 15:04 |
| realivanjx | thats weird | 15:05 |
| ravage | different port after every service restart | 15:05 |
| realivanjx | the rsyslog is supposed to just send logs not receive them | 15:06 |
| ravage | that has to do with the UDP protocol. see tomreyn link | 15:07 |
| realivanjx | does syslog really need 2 way comm? | 15:07 |
| ravage | For each outgoing UDP connection, the system needs a source port. By default, the operating system assigns a random ephemeral port for this purpose. This is standard behavior for most network applications that do not specify a particular source port | 15:08 |
| realivanjx | hmm thats news to me. thanks for the info. | 15:08 |
| tomreyn | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeral_port discusses more use cases | 15:08 |
| jsmooth | I'm having problem with this error "-bash: cd: Projects: Input/output error", I get the Input/Output error no matter what command I do, other than 'ls'. | 15:11 |
| jsmooth | I see online that it could mean bad hardware, but this laptop is only a year old, I don't think it's a bad drive | 15:13 |
| ravage | and is Projects actually a local directory or mounted somewhere remote? | 15:14 |
| jsmooth | Oh, I believe it's a symlink to Windows, I'm using WIndows Subsystem for Linux 2 to run Linux. | 15:16 |
| jsmooth | And I just noticed i can create/read a text file outside of Projects directory. So now I'm not sure what it going on, unless Ubuntu isn't reading Windows anymore. | 15:17 |
| ravage | i think there is #windows-wsl for that kind of questions | 15:18 |
| jsmooth | Okay | 15:19 |
| NateDoge | How much pussy do you think Julien got? | 16:52 |
| rbox | what? | 16:52 |
| NateDoge | Heeps? | 16:52 |
| NateDoge | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA | 16:53 |
| rbox | do you have somethign related to ubuntu to talk about? | 16:53 |
| NateDoge | I use a mans distro. Gentoo. | 16:54 |
| NateDoge | I'm good. | 16:54 |
| NateDoge | Peace out. | 16:54 |
| rbox | rofl | 16:54 |
| artist_9911 | Hi | 17:00 |
| artist_9911 | tint2 executor never works whatever I do | 17:01 |
| cryobry | I am trying to make some changes to dconf, I am very familiar with all of the gsettings tooling but I've run into a strange issue: dconf and gsettings are reporting different values for the same key and when I modify it with one tool, the other does not recognize the changes | 17:06 |
| cryobry | %gsettings get org.mate.caja.preferences show-backup-files | 17:06 |
| cryobry | true | 17:06 |
| cryobry | %dconf read /org/mate/caja/preferences/show-backup-files | 17:06 |
| cryobry | false | 17:06 |
| bparker | how do I make programs start in front of all other windows? every time I run something from my terminal window, it's invisible because it's behind it | 17:09 |
| bparker | really annoying | 17:09 |
| leftyfb | bparker: I have the Unite gnome extension which I think handles this, but can't seem to find the exact setting to enable | 17:11 |
| leftyfb | oh, there's "Auto focus new windows" | 17:11 |
| leftyfb | I don't have it enabled but new windows do focus for me | 17:11 |
| ip | . | 17:15 |
| bparker | so there is no way to do this by default? seems like a massive glaring oversight to me... | 17:23 |
| bparker | I haven't been able to get any external tweak plugins to work right either | 17:24 |
| bparker | it just doesn't show up in the app and I can't figure out how to even begin troubleshooting it | 17:24 |
| ip | . | 17:46 |
| Aavar | By default. What does control the network on a ubuntu server? | 18:27 |
| Aavar | Is i network manager? | 18:27 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: netplan | 18:34 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: ok. What files controls that? | 18:35 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/networkmanager/networkmanager-and-netplan | 18:35 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: thank you. | 18:37 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: https://netplan.readthedocs.io/en/stable/netplan-tutorial/ | 18:38 |
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| tomreyn | leftyfb: note this is documentation for the "ubuntu core" product, while Aavar is using "ubuntu server" | 18:40 |
| tomreyn | i don't think network manager is packaged as a snap there | 18:40 |
| leftyfb | tomreyn: huh? | 18:40 |
| tomreyn | see the url you posted | 18:41 |
| Aavar | it looks like I am using NetworkManager after all. | 18:41 |
| leftyfb | tomreyn: core/snap isn't mentioned at all in the tutorial other than to install lxd to use for learning | 18:41 |
| Aavar | How can I "restart" the network after making changes in nmtui? | 18:41 |
| tomreyn | <leftyfb> Aavar: https://ubuntu.com/core/[..] | 18:41 |
| tomreyn | this page says "snap set network-manager defaultrenderer=false" | 18:42 |
| leftyfb | ah, the first link | 18:42 |
| leftyfb | right | 18:42 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: Network Manager isn't installed on ubuntu server by default | 18:42 |
| tomreyn | (also: "snap install network-manager") | 18:42 |
| bparker | wait, network manager is a snap now?? | 18:42 |
| bparker | please god no | 18:42 |
| leftyfb | tomreyn: why? | 18:42 |
| tomreyn | bparker: not on ubuntu server, i don't think so | 18:43 |
| leftyfb | why are we even mentioning NM on server? | 18:43 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: as I said. It seems I am using NetworkManager after all :) | 18:43 |
| leftyfb | it's all netplan | 18:43 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: why? | 18:43 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: I cant remember. It's been a while... | 18:43 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: do you have a desktop environment installed on your "server"? | 18:43 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: no | 18:43 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: then I would suggest removing network-manager and sticking with netplan | 18:43 |
| tomreyn | leftyfb: https://ubuntu.com/core - in case you're not familiar with this product | 18:44 |
| leftyfb | I am | 18:44 |
| leftyfb | tomreyn: though the documentation provided should be fine with either | 18:44 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: I will try :) | 18:45 |
| leftyfb | it's the first result on google for "ubuntu netplan" | 18:45 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: https://people.ubuntu.com/~slyon/netplan-docs/examples/ | 18:45 |
| tomreyn | leftyfb: i don't think network-manager is meant to be used as a snap on ubuntu-server, though it may be possible to do so. | 18:46 |
| leftyfb | right, I'm not sure why we're mentioning it beyond for some reason Aavar installed it (not confirmed as being from snap or apt) | 18:46 |
| leftyfb | oh right, that documentation says to install it | 18:47 |
| leftyfb | bah | 18:47 |
| leftyfb | that's a very bad first result | 18:47 |
| leftyfb | I was mainly using it to point out the files and syntax of netplan | 18:47 |
| tomreyn | i got so much, it's just a bit misleading to point to ubuntu core documentation so that's why i pointed it out. | 18:48 |
| leftyfb | yeah, you're right | 18:48 |
| tomreyn | (and i don't think you meant to) | 18:48 |
| Aavar | I removed all network-manager packages. I hope the network returns after a reboot :) | 18:51 |
| tomreyn | unless you also have systemd-networkd setup that's unlikely | 18:53 |
| Aavar | tomreyn: why? | 18:54 |
| tomreyn | because there won't be a network connection unless one is configured | 18:54 |
| tomreyn | (and managed) | 18:54 |
| tomreyn | and those two frameworks (optionally with netplan on top) are what ubuntu uses for this very purpose | 18:55 |
| Aavar | tomreyn: It is configured :) How can I know if systemd-networkd is set up? How can I know if netplan or systemd is resposible? | 18:55 |
| tomreyn | your system logs, you system configuration, netplan's configuration, if you use it | 18:56 |
| tomreyn | networkctl for systemd-networkd on current releases | 18:56 |
| tomreyn | "nmcli status" for network manager | 18:57 |
| Aavar | systemd-networkd is active. Can/should I dissable it? | 18:57 |
| Aavar | networkmanager is removed. | 18:57 |
| tomreyn | depends on whether you intend to use it or not. it doesn't hurt to keep it enabled. | 18:57 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: sudo apt install --reinstall netplan.io | 18:58 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: what does that do? | 18:58 |
| leftyfb | reinstalls netplan | 18:58 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: ok, but why? | 18:58 |
| leftyfb | which I'm pretty sure networkd is a dependency of | 18:58 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: in case you removed or broke it during your network-manager journey | 18:59 |
| leftyfb | then run: sudo netplan try | 18:59 |
| ip | tomreyn: hey, i was having the network problem, i was not trying to what u r thing, still i'm sorry for it | 19:00 |
| ip | *thinking | 19:01 |
| tomreyn | ip: glad you got it sorted. have a nice day. | 19:01 |
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| ip | tomreyn: you too. :) | 19:03 |
| ip | tomreyn: this will not happen again, i'll make sure of it. | 19:03 |
| tomreyn | great, thanks. now let's get back to ubuntu support on this channel, please. :) | 19:04 |
| ip | sure | 19:04 |
| floown | Re | 19:07 |
| Aavar | I cant seem to get two devices configured correctly with netplan. Do you have an example with two devices? | 19:15 |
| tomreyn | https://netplan.io should have | 19:16 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: two devices? Can you explain in detail what you have and what you're trying to accomplish? | 19:16 |
| ravage | https://p.haxxors.com/cgy0slgw.txt | 19:17 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: right now I am trying to configure two devices connected to the same network. What I am trying to accomplish in the long run is to install a VM with router software running between these networks. | 19:18 |
| Aavar | but now I am just trying to learn :) | 19:19 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: you have 2x network interfaces on the same bare metal server that you both want on the same network? Why? Static or DHCP? what release of ubuntu? | 19:20 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: as I said, to learn... I am trying to set up static ip's. Ubuntu 22.04 | 19:21 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: ok, first less, unless you're doing some sort of load balancing or failover, don't configure 2x interfaces on the same network | 19:21 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: why? as I said. This is for testing. | 19:22 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: that said, you've been given at least 3 links with examples on how to configure a static ip using netplan | 19:22 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: unless you're testing load balancing or failover with proper LLDP switch ports, or the wrong way to do networking, I would move on to learning other things | 19:23 |
| Aavar | ok, just pretend I am connecting to two different networks 👍️ | 19:24 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: you've been given at least 3 examples of how to set static ip's on network interfaces. Let us know if you have any issues, the exact issue and error log you are receiving and pastebin your netplan configuration file | 19:25 |
| leftyfb | also, no | 19:25 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: I don't understand the hostility. You have made it perfectly clear that the configuration is stupid, and I respect and understand that. | 19:26 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: there's no hostility. Let us know if you run into any issues and we'll be happy to help | 19:26 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: ok, cool :) | 19:29 |
| Aavar | I got it working and am moving on. If I want to use these network cards with a VM. I don't need to configure with netplan on the host, right? | 19:31 |
| leftyfb | are you doing bridged interfaces or NAT or .... ? | 19:32 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: I don't know. What I am planning to do is to install opnsense in a VM and use it as a "normal" consumer router. That's the plan anyway. I am just testing at the moment. Trying to create a system that I am able to keep alive :P | 19:34 |
| leftyfb | you'll want to setup bridge interfaces then | 19:35 |
| leftyfb | the interfaces on the host doesn't matter if they're static ip dynamic | 19:35 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: ok, tnx. | 19:36 |
| leftyfb | in fact, one of the interfaces that connects to your ISP's modem you'll probably want to set it up as passthrough and set dynamic on the VM (unless you have a static ip with your ISP) | 19:36 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: Yes, but if I understand correctly. None of the interfaces need a configuration on the host as long as they are passed trough to the VM? | 19:38 |
| leftyfb | if you are doing passthrough, correct | 19:39 |
| leftyfb | but then if you don't have any interfaces on the host with an ip on any network then the host is inaccessible and useless. Why bother putting anything in VM's at that point? | 19:39 |
| leftyfb | I would set 1 interface as passthrough to your ISP's modem and the other bridged so it gets DHCP from your "router" on your VM | 19:40 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: I didn't think about that... | 19:40 |
| Aavar | so, the interface connected to the ISP needs to be passed trough and the other one needs to be a bridge? | 19:41 |
| Aavar | Is it easier with 3 physical cards? | 19:41 |
| slicktux | Hello all, I've noticed some apps on my Linux box install via Snap and others via the conventional apt-get install; Why the Chimera and which method is better? | 19:47 |
| leftyfb | Aavar: that's correct. no need for a 3rd interface | 19:48 |
| leftyfb | slicktux: it shouldn't matter | 19:49 |
| Aavar | leftyfb: Ok, I'll try. Tnx :) | 19:49 |
| slicktux | I guess; I kinda answered my own question here. . .it's up to me. I shall containerize install at my wit. | 19:49 |
| slicktux | leftyfb: I guess it does matter; I installed curl using snap and my .sh had trouble locating .zip in /tmp. Obviously, I can re-direct the .sh to where curl, in snap, uses /tmp?? For now I just got curl from sudo apt so as to not mess with .sh \0/ | 19:58 |
| tomreyn | slicktux: it's mostly up to you. some software is only available as a snap now (and apt would actually install the snap there). and other software is not available as a snap. | 19:58 |
| leftyfb | slicktux: you can change filesystem access in the snap settings | 19:58 |
| slicktux | leftyfb: I will have to look into that man page. Thanks | 19:58 |
| junyx | I'm trying to increase the swap size. My swap resides in /dev/sdb and I've done sudo swapoff /dev/sdb. I'm finding confusing information about what to do next. I want to increase the swap to 1G | 20:36 |
| CosmicDJ | junyx: are you sure you have a whole disk (without any partitions) dedicated for swap only? | 20:38 |
| junyx | CosmicDJ I have this: | 20:39 |
| junyx | sda 8:0 0 24.4G 0 disk / | 20:39 |
| junyx | sdb 8:16 0 260M 0 disk [SWAP] | 20:39 |
| junyx | That's the output of lsblk | 20:39 |
| tomreyn | this is likely a VM, right? | 20:41 |
| CosmicDJ | junyx: just adding a swap file is not an option? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_do_I_add_a_swap_file.3F | 20:41 |
| junyx | Its doing something let see | 20:42 |
| junyx | CosmicDJ dd: error writing '/dev/sdb': No space left on device | 20:42 |
| junyx | I think the original partitioning only set aside 260M for the swap | 20:43 |
| tomreyn | you can possibly increase the existing (virtual?) swap storage (backing device) from your hosts' web panel. | 20:43 |
| CosmicDJ | what are you doing?! | 20:43 |
| junyx | I ran this: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 count=1048576 | 20:43 |
| CosmicDJ | why? that was dangerous... | 20:44 |
| junyx | CosmicDJ that's the instructions you sent | 20:44 |
| CosmicDJ | the link above says: "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/1GiB.swap bs=1024 count=1048576" | 20:44 |
| junyx | Yeah my of is different | 20:45 |
| CosmicDJ | there's no "/dev/sdb" there | 20:45 |
| junyx | Ah ok. I guess the system sets that later? | 20:45 |
| CosmicDJ | running dd will not magically increase your disk size | 20:46 |
| junyx | CosmicDJ thank you. I understand now | 20:46 |
| leftyfb | junyx: is this a VM? | 20:46 |
| junyx | It seems to have worked now. Do I need to delete the /mnt? | 20:46 |
| junyx | leftyfb its a play server I have | 20:47 |
| leftyfb | what worked? | 20:47 |
| leftyfb | junyx: /dev/sdb is only 260M. You can't make it bigger if that's a physical drive | 20:47 |
| junyx | leftyfb The instructions that CosmicDJ shared | 20:47 |
| junyx | So that /dev/sdb is unusable now? | 20:47 |
| leftyfb | that creates a 1GB file | 20:47 |
| leftyfb | not partition | 20:48 |
| leftyfb | junyx: what is /dev/sdb? What sort of device? | 20:48 |
| junyx | It was a SWAP partition | 20:48 |
| leftyfb | sdb is not a partition, it's a drive | 20:48 |
| leftyfb | what sort of device? | 20:48 |
| junyx | Sorry leftyfb still learning the terms | 20:48 |
| junyx | How can I find that out? | 20:49 |
| leftyfb | junyx: lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999 | 20:49 |
| junyx | leftyfb I pasted the output above | 20:49 |
| junyx | sdb 8:16 0 260M 0 disk [SWAP] | 20:49 |
| junyx | BUt now the [SWAP] is gone | 20:49 |
| leftyfb | ok, so you have 2 physical storage devices plugged into this server. What sort of storage device is your 2nd storage device? | 20:50 |
| junyx | leftyfb I'm not sure. It was auto set up with linode | 20:50 |
| leftyfb | :/ | 20:50 |
| junyx | I'm assuming its virtual | 20:50 |
| leftyfb | ok, so if you want to make that drive bigger, you'll need to need to contact linode | 20:51 |
| junyx | Question, can I delete the /mnt now or does that need to stay there forever? | 20:51 |
| leftyfb | junyx: contact linode to make your drive bigger, don't make any other changes | 20:51 |
| junyx | leftyfb I'm good. Im trying to learn how to do this myself. Its not a problem for me to have that 260M partition just sitting there | 20:52 |
| junyx | Does the /mnt/1GiB.swap need to stay there? | 20:53 |
| leftyfb | junyx: ok, if you use the swap file that CosmicDJ walked you through creating, anything in that memory will be slightly slower | 20:53 |
| junyx | leftyfb yes I'm aware | 20:53 |
| leftyfb | junyx: you'll want to set that file up to be swap and then use swapon /mnt/1GiB.swap and update your fstab | 20:54 |
| junyx | I did | 20:54 |
| leftyfb | junyx: sudo mkswap /mnt/1GiB.swap | 20:54 |
| leftyfb | then sudo mount -a | 20:55 |
| leftyfb | technically you can have both the file and disk for swap | 20:55 |
| bizmate | hi, i m getting all sorts of weird problems in my fresh install of ubuntu, ie https://bpa.st/5PIA | 21:24 |
| rbox | whats weird? | 21:25 |
| bizmate | the permissions errors And the fact that chrome does not start | 21:26 |
| ravage | that notice (N:) ist totall normal when installing a local .deb file with apt | 21:26 |
| ravage | *totally | 21:26 |
| ravage | and not "weird" at all | 21:27 |
| bizmate | well app centre wont install chrome and chrome is not opening right now ... running it from terminal just shows a warning - MESA-INTEL: warning: cannot initialize blitter engine | 21:29 |
| bizmate | and the app does not run, processes run in background with no actual app | 21:29 |
| bizmate | what alternative is there to app centre other than apt | 21:30 |
| ravage | chrome is not on the app store | 21:30 |
| ravage | maybe you mean chromium | 21:30 |
| enigma9o7 | synaptic is an alternative to apt | 21:31 |
| bizmate | "google-chrome" is in the deb package and i try to open it with the app centre. This is what i used in the previous version of ubuntu | 21:31 |
| enigma9o7 | It's a GUI version of package manager. Not exactly the same as ubuntu's app store which only lists apps. | 21:31 |
| ravage | and you can install chromium with: sudo snap install chromium | 21:31 |
| bizmate | ravage, afaik chromium is not google-chrome | 21:31 |
| enigma9o7 | And synaptic, like apt, only handles system packages, not snaps. | 21:31 |
| ravage | that is correct | 21:31 |
| ravage | google chrome is not part of the app store at all | 21:32 |
| enigma9o7 | is google-chrome in the snap store? | 21:32 |
| bizmate | i d rather use google chrome | 21:32 |
| ravage | good luck then 🙂 | 21:32 |
| ravage | ask google support | 21:32 |
| bizmate | never had problems running it on ubuntu | 21:32 |
| enigma9o7 | You can get it from google themselves, I believe if you install their deb package it adds their repo to your apt sources and continue updating it. But it is not supported by ubuntu to use third party debs & repos. | 21:33 |
| enigma9o7 | So how did you install google-chrome in the first place? Do you have their repo enabled? It sounds like you already have it installed anyway. | 21:34 |
| enigma9o7 | In fact I just looked at the paste, looks like you did install it. | 21:35 |
| bizmate | yes but it is not opening | 21:35 |
| bizmate | and firefox is not working well | 21:35 |
| bizmate | i m getting problems with rendering of some sites | 21:35 |
| bizmate | not sure why | 21:35 |
| enigma9o7 | If you're commenting about that last Note line, that's normal. If you want to avoid that note, run from /tmp dir because then user "apt" can write. They can't write in your home dir cuz not permision. But it won't affect you rinstallation. | 21:35 |
| enigma9o7 | You also still have 101 packages to upgrade. | 21:36 |
| JanC | that's a lot | 21:36 |
| bizmate | strange i just installed from latest ISO | 21:37 |
| JanC | if this is 24.04 then the latest ISO was made in April, I think? | 21:38 |
| enigma9o7 | latest iso is from april | 21:38 |
| JanC | normally the installer asks you if it can download updates though (if it has internet available) | 21:40 |
| enigma9o7 | The error you're getting running chrome tho may be related to something fixable, but first run upgrades and make sure everything up to date, that might just solve it. Otherwise paste the output when you try to run chrome, and tells us what kinda gpu(s) you have (maybe share something like inxi -G in a pastebin) | 21:40 |
| bizmate | tried upgrading them, something failed during the upgrade of all packages (the install was internet enabled, but cannot remember if asked for package upgrades) | 21:41 |
| bizmate | here are some errors i saw during upgrade and the output of inxi -G https://bpa.st/YQ6Q | 21:45 |
| bizmate | tried also vivaldi - it does not open and the only warning that shows is MESA-INTEL: warning: cannot initialize blitter engine | 21:48 |
| enigma9o7 | Ya its something to do with your fancy intel arc gpu but I dunno mucha bout them. | 21:51 |
| enigma9o7 | Maybe focus on updates first, I didn't quite get the context of what you shared before. Can you share complete output of "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" ? | 21:54 |
| enigma9o7 | And on your old system, do you remember if you were using the i915 drivers that come with linux/ubunutu or did you install intel's new stuff like https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/747008/intel-arc-graphics-driver-ubuntu.html | 21:55 |
| oerheks | gnome-menus (3.36.0-1.1ubuntu3 points to Mantic? | 21:57 |
| bizmate | here are the update and upgrade errors https://bpa.st/SYFQ | 22:04 |
| bizmate | it doesnt look like ubuntu likes the cairo dock ppa anymore | 22:04 |
| oerheks | cairo has no candidates, indeed | 22:05 |
| bizmate | meaning it cannot be installed on 24 going forward? | 22:06 |
| oerheks | info cairo-dock | 22:06 |
| oerheks | !info cairo-dock | 22:06 |
| ubottu | cairo-dock (3.4.1+git20201103.0836f5d1-1build3, noble): Metapackage for cairo-dock. In component universe, is optional. Built by cairo-dock. Size 6 kB / 19 kB | 22:06 |
| oerheks | it is in universe | 22:06 |
| oerheks | remove ppa, as it never installed one.. | 22:06 |
| bizmate | i thought i tried installing it but it didnt work | 22:07 |
| bizmate | i ll try again | 22:07 |
| oerheks | those were just warnings. | 22:07 |
| enigma9o7 | Please share complete output so can see if it still needs updates or not. | 22:17 |
| enigma9o7 | And of course remove that ppa, how did it get there in the first place, you said this was new install? Was the ubuntu version of cairo not new enough for you? | 22:17 |
| bizmate | i removed cairo-dock ppa and tried installing it ... but get these errors also for attempting the upgrade https://bpa.st/6I4Q | 22:24 |
| minecraft | sup | 22:25 |
| enigma9o7 | okay well at least you down to only one thing not upgraded, before was over 100 | 22:26 |
| bizmate | indeed but i am not familiar with the file roller error and the other one about unmet dependencies with cairo-dcok | 22:26 |
| bizmate | dock | 22:26 |
| oerheks | apt update first? that would get fresh lists | 22:27 |
| enigma9o7 | the file roller thing is telling you it's due to phasing. thats when ubuntu updates are rolled out in phases. | 22:27 |
| oerheks | always run proper updates before installining anything | 22:28 |
| enigma9o7 | You can disable phasing, or just `sudo apt install file-roller` now if you're in a hurry... otherwise just wait til tomorrow or the next day, it'll upgrade like normal. | 22:28 |
| enigma9o7 | So now, you got a few issues to deal with still tho. Chrome/vivaldi giving that weird error, and cairo-dock being uninstallable it seems due to plugin requiring pulseaudio. | 22:28 |
| enigma9o7 | Is that it? Or anything else? | 22:28 |
| bizmate | enigma9o7, indeed, about file roller i ll wait. Update fetches no new upgrades required | 22:29 |
| bizmate | interesting enough chromium seems to work | 22:31 |
| bizmate | cairo does not run well even after installing it with pulseaudio , ie nothing appens when overing over it so it looks like it is not stable | 22:40 |
| bizmate | anyway time to sleep | 22:40 |
| bizmate | thank you anyway | 22:40 |
| bizmate | good night | 22:40 |
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| Roey | I have a Logitech web cam attached via USB. Trying to use it from Discord on my Firefox instance; I've given it permission to access my microphone and camera. Mic access works. Camera doesn't show anything. How can I diagnose the issue? | 23:11 |
| JoeLlama | can a bitlockered hard drive be just fdisked and reformatted? | 23:17 |
| JoeLlama | also... to ubuntu pro or not to ubuntu pro? | 23:17 |
| JoeLlama | afk for a bit while waiting thanks (: | 23:18 |
| enigma9o7 | Well it gives you more updates, at the "cost" of registered with Canonical. So sure why not? | 23:18 |
| JoeLlama | well it's free for me up to 5 workstations I'm told | 23:19 |
| JoeLlama | o k bbl keep answering if youi don't mind and also someone just told me the hard drive should be okay :) | 23:19 |
| enigma9o7 | Roey: I'd make sure it works with something simple like vlc or cheese or something. If not I'd start looking at device list like "lsusb" and seeing if a driver for it is loaded. | 23:19 |
| JoeLlama | afk for a bit bye for now | 23:19 |
| enigma9o7 | Yeah my assumption was you are home user so no monetary cost. | 23:19 |
| JoeLlama | ok englishm thanks | 23:20 |
| JoeLlama | I just can't get away from this computer... shutting the lid now bye | 23:20 |
| Roey | enigma9o7: I reconnected it | 23:21 |
| Roey | kind of worked at first? one moment | 23:21 |
| Roey | doing lsusb on it | 23:21 |
| Roey | I see this in dmesg output: [249306.919417] uvcvideo 3-10.3:1.1: Failed to set UVC probe control : -110 (exp. 26). | 23:23 |
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