| kendell | just upgraded to ubuntu 24.04 LTS. There appears to be a bug somewhere in ubuntu's accessibility system that makes pidgin and thunderbird accessible with the screen reader. | 00:23 |
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| kendell | inaccessible, not accessible sorry. Orca just doesn't read those windows and those aps are fully accessible with orca | 00:23 |
| superkuh | 24.04, is that still X11? | 00:24 |
| kendell | I'm pretty sure it is yes | 00:24 |
| superkuh | Okay. | 00:24 |
| superkuh | Are those (pidgin/thunderbird) actual applications installed to your system or are they doing some Canonical container hijinks? | 00:25 |
| superkuh | ie, snap? | 00:25 |
| kendell | got a new computer with 24 gb of ram, never had a computer with that high of specs before and linux runs like a dream on it. That bug I mentioned is the only bug I've run across and I'm trying to get it squashed. Most of the blind people I knew who usedd linux have moved to chat channels I don't know | 00:25 |
| superkuh | Screen reading is getting really difficult in linux these days. :( | 00:26 |
| kendell | really? I want to fix that, because I really don't wanna go back to windows, I really don't | 00:26 |
| superkuh | It's mostly a wayland thing. | 00:26 |
| superkuh | No worries for Ubuntu 24.04. | 00:26 |
| superkuh | But containers are making it difficult too. | 00:27 |
| kendell | hell they had an opportunity to build accessibility into the system from the ground up. Let me guess, they didn't | 00:27 |
| superkuh | Wayland has not had screen readers in the 9 years the various implementations have existed. The entire architecture is built around preventing it. | 00:27 |
| superkuh | Even GNOME's wayland can't. | 00:27 |
| superkuh | Anyway, tangential. | 00:27 |
| superkuh | I'd check if your pidgin and/or thunderbird packages are actually installed or if they are snaps. | 00:28 |
| kendell | hopefully x11 will continue, wayland is in the end another display system, linx has choices | 00:28 |
| kendell | linux | 00:28 |
| superkuh | You might try asking the people in #slint in general (slackware distro for the blind channel) | 00:28 |
| kendell | blind slackware users? I'll go there now | 00:29 |
| superkuh | Also, #blvuug for the blind and low vision unix users group. | 00:29 |
| kendell | I just knew therer would be a way to find blind users, going there too | 00:30 |
| superkuh | I am not blind yet but I will be. My retinas tear more each year. | 00:30 |
| superkuh | I do a lot of TTS. | 00:30 |
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