[00:23] <kendell> just upgraded to ubuntu 24.04 LTS. There appears to be a bug somewhere in ubuntu's accessibility system that makes pidgin and thunderbird accessible with the screen reader.
[00:23] <kendell> inaccessible, not accessible sorry. Orca just doesn't read those windows and those aps are fully accessible with orca
[00:24] <superkuh> 24.04, is that still X11?
[00:24] <kendell> I'm pretty sure it is yes
[00:24] <superkuh> Okay.
[00:25] <superkuh> Are those (pidgin/thunderbird) actual applications installed to your system or are they doing some Canonical container hijinks?
[00:25] <superkuh> ie, snap?
[00:25] <kendell> got a new computer with 24 gb of ram, never had a computer with that high of specs before and linux runs like a dream on it. That bug I mentioned is the only bug I've run across and I'm trying to get it squashed. Most of the blind people I knew who usedd linux have moved to chat channels I don't know
[00:26] <superkuh> Screen reading is getting really difficult in linux these days. :(
[00:26] <kendell> really? I want to fix that, because I really don't wanna go back to windows, I really don't
[00:26] <superkuh> It's mostly a wayland thing.
[00:26] <superkuh> No worries for Ubuntu 24.04.
[00:27] <superkuh> But containers are making it difficult too.
[00:27] <kendell> hell they had an opportunity to build accessibility into the system from the ground up. Let me guess, they didn't
[00:27] <superkuh> Wayland has not had screen readers in the 9 years the various implementations have existed. The entire architecture is built around preventing it.
[00:27] <superkuh> Even GNOME's wayland can't.
[00:27] <superkuh> Anyway, tangential.
[00:28] <superkuh> I'd check if your pidgin and/or thunderbird packages are actually installed or if they are snaps.
[00:28] <kendell> hopefully x11 will continue, wayland is in the end another display system, linx has choices
[00:28] <kendell> linux
[00:28] <superkuh> You might try asking the people in #slint in general (slackware distro for the blind channel)
[00:29] <kendell> blind slackware users? I'll go there now
[00:29] <superkuh> Also, #blvuug for the blind and low vision unix users group.
[00:30] <kendell> I just knew therer would be a way to find blind users, going there too
[00:30] <superkuh> I am not blind yet but I will be. My retinas tear more each year.
[00:30] <superkuh> I do a lot of TTS.