[00:25] I just attached external monitors I purchased from amazon but they are not being detected [00:29] amazoniantoad maybe this could help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/707422/how-to-force-ubuntu-to-detect-external-display [00:33] :/ Isn't working [00:40] amazoniantoad did you try rebooting? [00:40] Which solution did you try? [00:46] junyx: I just checked with the mannufacturer, all of the solutions are for win or osx [00:46] thanks anyway :< [00:46] ? [00:54] If you are using X, share output from 'xrandr' in a pastebin. === zareem6 is now known as zareem [04:16] 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 U S A No. 1 ! ! ! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 [04:16] 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 U S A No. 1 ! ! ! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 [04:17] 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 U S A No. 1 ! ! ! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 [04:17] 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 U S A No. 1 ! ! ! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 [04:20] TheRedQueen ^ === diceLibrarian2 is now known as liceDibrarian === diceLibrarian2 is now known as liceDibrarian [05:38] Everyone enter :(){ :|: &}: in terminal [05:40] Or chmod -x $(which chmod) [05:40] Or cat /dev/random | sort [05:40] Fuck [05:40] Fuck [05:40] Fuck [05:40] Szopjatok faszt [05:40] ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ [05:41] ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ [05:41] ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ [05:59] pacman/jammy 10-19 amd64 [05:59] we have pacman in Ubuntu!! [05:59] zypper/jammy 1.14.42-2 amd64 [05:59] also zypper [05:59] :D [05:59] is there anyone who uses it === rue__ is now known as ruenoak === TechBeardNC_ is now known as TechBeardNC [08:42] Hey. I am facing a weird problem. I am recovering some deleted infos, however I wanting to search inside the files ony for specific text/string. TestDisk only allow me to recover full disk and I not having any space for that. Is its not possible? And ofcourse even is PhotoRec will only search signature for extension so it display all the files [08:42] matching, does not searching for string [08:55] maybe i do it mnually but i dnot wanting to [08:55] taks time [08:55] s/eks === NatSocSiD` is now known as NatSocSiD [09:57] Hi everyone, is anybody here ? I have a problem with a HP dock g5 plugged to a Lenovo Thinkpad T14 G2, (guess the problem is related to hub.c). I have 1 4K 60Hz screen and 1 1080p 75Hz plugged to this dock. It works correctly when the 4k screen is at 30Hz, but any refresh rate above this ends up in a black screen (detected on the laptop but screen [09:57] show "no signal"). This scenario does work on Windows so it's not a hardware related issue (wrong port etc..). What would be the way to go to file a bug report with these details ? Thanks [10:03] is that just me or are the mirrors in US and Europe a little slow today [10:03] could also be my ISP though [10:04] do a speedtest then [10:08] hello, for some reason an apt-update failed and rendered my old lubuntu installation unbootable [10:09] I would go over reinstall only if I have too [10:09] anybodys knows how to search for it then? [10:09] or nah [10:09] can anyone tell from the line I'll paste what version of lubuntu was I running and/or how to correct this troublesome situation? [10:10] this is the output I get after rebooting: [10:10] Busybox v1.30.1 (Ubuntu 1:1.130.1-4ubuntu6.4) [10:11] olspookishmagus mount fs from it [10:11] and then remove all problem files [10:11] "apt update" does not do any changes to your system [10:11] olspookishmagus mount -o remount,rw [10:14] https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/busybox-initramfs [10:14] so it i probably 20.04 === witchS75 is now known as witch [10:20] ravage: I mean an upgrade [10:22] is there a guide on how to boot from busybox even if you have LVM, etc? [10:22] ubuntu usually keeps your previous kernel [10:22] so i would try to boot that from the grub enu first [10:25] olspookishmagus mount -o remount,rw ... mount dev/sdaX/boot (your boot replaced with it) ... apt-purge (remove kernels) [10:25] yeah, that must be it, I think there was a new kernel introduced to the system [10:30] ArebilAppears: what goes where the dots (...) are? [10:31] olspookishmagus dots is just to separate each command [10:31] after I mount my boot partition I am to hit Ctrl-D or type exit... or what? [10:31] ok [10:31] but 'mount -o remove,rw' does what? [10:31] but 'mount -o remount,rw' does what? [10:34] I've searched my whole hard drive and can't find the location of this key: [10:34] The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 74A941BA219EC810 deb.torproject.org archive signing key [10:35] for f in $(sudo find / -mount -name "*.gpg"); do echo $f; gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring ./$f --list-keys |& grepc 74A941BA219EC810; done [10:36] I get a: 'Can't open blockdev' error [10:37] I'm not very sure, I'm running the proper command [10:37] Diagon: The key location is not really important. The problem is the sources entry that you need to remove/fix [10:38] ravage / ah, you're right. There's a "signed by" in there ... TY! [10:39] https://support.torproject.org/apt/tor-deb-repo/ [10:39] if you want to keep using it [10:40] Diagon what kind of key you searching for? [10:40] try file carving [10:40] It's the archive key. They've got a new one, described in step 3: [10:40] https://support.torproject.org/apt/tor-deb-repo/ [10:41] I just couldn't figure out what it keep identifying that I was using the old one. [10:42] when I'm trying the mount command autofilling gives me either /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 (no '/boot' part after it) [10:42] Diagon if you lost the key, file carving on github has many codes [10:42] olspookishmagus sudo lsblk [10:42] is there sudo in initramfs? [10:42] I'll try [10:43] olspookishmagus sudo df boot [10:43] nope, no sudo, no lsblk [10:43] or df boot [10:43] i dont know which fs you are in [10:43] !paste [10:43] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://bpa.st | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [10:44] olspookishmagus you can try type exit only [10:44] see which screen happens when you exit [10:44] ArebilAppears: I'm seeing this: https://bpa.st/Q7I7IQWOVFQID2URL7LCOFJ6FE [10:44] olspookishmagus type exit [10:44] what do you see [10:45] nothing I return to that prompt again [10:45] ArebilAppears / interesting. Not needed for this application, since gpg will do it, but definitely looks useful. [10:45] df boot shows nothing, it's possible that the boot partition is within LVM [10:46] I'll follow this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/911868/lvm-error-on-boot-causing-fall-back-to-initramfs [10:46] olspookishmagus fsck /dev/sdaX [10:47] I'm dowloading lubuntu 20.04.5 at the moment [10:47] that works too, live usb [10:47] will manage it [10:48] (busybox) fsck /dev/sda1 [10:48] fsck from util-linux 2.34 [10:48] sorry that's [10:48] (initramfs) fsck /dev/sda1 [10:49] fsck from util-linux 2.34 [10:49] and that's it [10:49] olspookishmagus stick yourself only one solution at a time.. if you're going to use a live usb, then use it [10:49] if not, then that's separate [10:49] I guessed it won't hurt trying stuff while the .iso downloads [10:50] olspookishmagus show me output [10:50] of the main screen on first boot [10:50] no output, straight to this: [10:50] https://bpa.st/Q7I7IQWOVFQID2URL7LCOFJ6FE [10:50] no boot selection menu, nothing to edit, etc [10:51] maybe that HDD died [10:51] what fsck showed you [10:51] you didnt say [10:51] fsck your main partition [10:51] !paste [10:51] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://bpa.st | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [10:51] Just that: https://bpa.st/raw/YYNCHZUXAAALAOG52DXTQCP5YY [10:53] olspookishmagus fsck -t fs - if [10:53] so ext4 is fsck -t ext4 -f [10:53] on the partition [10:56] so the full command to try is this? fsck -t ext4 -f /dev/sdXYZ123 [10:56] right? [10:56] yes [10:56] fsck help doesn't show anything about that '-f' switch [10:56] I'll try anyway [10:56] did you typed /dev/ before [10:57] fsck /dev/sdaXYZ -f -t ext4 [10:57] assuming it is actually ext4 of course [10:57] if not, then obviously change it [10:58] nevermind, lubuntu .iso got downloaded I'll see whether the disk died or whatever [10:58] then I'll probably chroot to fix stuff [10:58] olspookishmagus install smartctl [10:58] and check smart status [10:59] I just hope it will work with my USB WiFi dongle [10:59] olspookishmagus connect smartphone as ethernet-on-USB [11:00] also called USB tethering [11:00] as last resort [11:07] ArebilAppears: that works on LiveCDs? [11:07] olspookishmagus yes [11:07] works just fine [11:07] no "non-free" drivers needed? [11:07] olspookishmagus emulation of ethernet to host device doesn't know the differenc [11:08] as long as USB cable not china crap [11:08] ArebilAppears: that's not very polite you know === MrA is now known as Ders [11:09] olspookishmagus what? [11:09] ArebilAppears: you should disregard yourself from typing "china crap" here and/or wherever [11:09] olspookishmagus let's not get political here shall we [11:10] ArebilAppears: I won't push it anymore, but acknowledging ones mistakes is a way to move forward, don't do that [11:11] olspookishmagus way to miss the point then. it is not a remark on the citizens, either way I can tell you many things regarding that too but let's not go there... [11:11] just get a functional cable that isn't produced by slaves [11:11] is all I meant [11:11] there you go [11:11] you keep pushing it [11:11] go find someplace else to troll [11:12] you really are dense [11:12] no helping you [11:13] keep cool, friends, there is a problem and you dont find the right words to discribe it [11:13] thank you ravage [11:16] webchat58 dont worry i wont hurt feelings of it anymore [11:19] what is the features of ubuntu pro? [11:20] will anyone know except security? [11:24] laptt its for support [11:25] commercial usage [11:25] support for? [11:26] ohh i'm personal user [11:27] laptt then dont worry about it [11:28] unless you have $$$$ [11:28] !pro | laptt [11:28] laptt: Ubuntu Pro is a service offered by Canonical for expanded CVE patching, ten-years security maintenance and optional support. Anyone can use Ubuntu Pro for free for personal use on up to 5 machines. For details please see https://ubuntu.com/pro and https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-pro-faq [11:29] and i have also one problem my apt is slow is there any other solution in replacement of apt for a speed? [11:30] laptt use apt-fast [11:30] for multithread [11:30] and then alias to apt-get [11:30] alias? [11:31] sorry but beginner in linux so [11:33] not an ubuntu topic but is apparmor in debian too? [11:34] illuminated #debian [11:36] hello? [11:38] laptt: You might just need to choose a different mirror for apt to pull packages from :) You can choose a different one under software sources [11:39] ohk i'll try that one [11:39] laptt: It's best explained here, from doing a bit of searching :) (I probably wouldn't explain it as well) https://askubuntu.com/questions/37753/how-can-i-get-apt-to-use-a-mirror-close-to-me-or-choose-a-faster-mirror [11:39] ohk thanks! [11:47] Hi all [11:49] BluesKaj hi [11:49] hi ArebilAppears [11:58] hi [12:13] what if i use nala instead of apt? [12:52] hello [12:52] looking for best way to install netbeans on lubuntu for a project [12:55] how does one install netbeans on lubuntu? [12:57] sudo snap install netbeans [13:04] hello === Kronikl_ is now known as Kronikl [13:23] there is a supe light weight browser (graphical) that I can't remeber the name of. Anyone? I believe it starts with a "d". [13:23] dillo.... just remembered it. === jfsimon1981 is now known as jfsimon === respawn_ is now known as respawn [13:54] finally fixed the tearfree bug, the solution was to buy a new video card [13:55] :] [13:57] lubuntu keeps this 10 year old pc going :D [13:57] merci bien [14:06] i [14:22] I need to ls only folders exluding any files, tried some variants, but now stuck [14:23] Yakov: ls -d [14:23] or use find instead of ls [14:24] hey lefty, yes, it works, I also need to sort it by precedence from low to high [14:24] precedence? [14:24] Yakov: regardless, you can use sort to sort however you like [14:25] pipe to sort [14:25] i have dirs named as digits, 1-1000, how to sort it from low to high [14:25] ok, use sort [14:25] Idk how to use it :) [14:26] Yakov: https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/sort-command-linuxunix-examples/ [14:27] thanks sir [14:27] you're Ubuntu Angel [14:42] so, as a follow-up to my situation, seems like the HDD is fine, and the troublesome situation was due to the filesystem getting full [14:43] not the best way to have the entire root filesystem on LVM (and all the partitions too) [14:43] but at least it was easy to chroot into it and fix [14:44] I think the GUI for the software upgrades needs to check on the available filespace on /var as well [14:44] I didn't get a warning and that broke my system [14:44] thank you once again ravage [15:12] Hello guys [15:36] hi folks [15:37] i'm facing this issue https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=549128&hilit=2708#p549128 [15:37] is it known in the ubuntu/debian community? [15:37] previously everything was running fine [15:38] we only support our version in the repo, yes [15:38] and what eactly is your isse? [15:38] c/issue [15:38] vboxes that were previously running do not start anymore with that error [15:38] i see many have reported the same in the past few days [15:39] some are saying "on kernel update" [15:39] https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=549066&hilit=2708#p549066 [15:39] on what ubuntu? and what virtualbox version? [15:39] pa:( cat /etc/os-release ; apt-cache policy virtualbox ) | nc termbin.com 9999 [15:40] pa: please run that and post the resulting URL here [15:40] ( cat /etc/os-release ; apt-cache policy virtualbox ) | nc termbin.com 9999 [15:40] 22.04, stock vbox from repos [15:40] (6.1 i believe) [15:40] why not pasting that info? [15:40] i am going to [15:42] https://termbin.com/2ihl [15:43] i can try to downgrade the kernel and see if it fixes it for me too [15:44] did you add HWE , for newer kernel and mesa? [15:44] i did apt install --reinstall virtualbox-dkms [15:44] am i missing stg? [15:44] pa: uname -a [15:45] 5.15.0-116-generic #126-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 1 10:14:24 UTC 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [15:45] with HWE you would have 6.5.0-44-generic [15:45] !hwe [15:45] The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [15:45] umh.. why do i have 5.15? 🤔 [15:46] pa: sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04 [15:46] then reboot [15:46] thanks, trying [15:48] btw, would i have problems running a 16.04 docker guest on a 6 series kernel? [15:49] ehm, 16.04 EOL ubuntu ? [15:49] unlikely, though it depends on what's running in the docker container [15:50] ok i will try to run the container after reboot. i guess if the container starts, there might be hopes [15:57] now apt install --reinstall virtualbox-dkms fails [15:57] reboot first? [15:57] ah but wait, i need kernel headers [15:57] that virtualbox-dkms would be triggered too [16:02] ok now it boots :-) thanks! anyway, the latest 5.15 seems broken [16:05] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2073267 [16:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2073267 in virtualbox (Ubuntu) "Guru meditation on VM start" [Undecided, Confirmed] [16:06] thanks ,looks like it indeed [16:11] pa you did not have hwe probably because you installed a early version of 22.04; cat /var/log/installer/media-info === u0_a98 is now known as Snoop === u0_a98 is now known as Snoop === EriC^^_ is now known as EriC^^ [19:31] Ubuntu's graphical environment is very buggy [19:31] so use something else? [19:31] we really need #ubuntu-statements [19:31] I'll have to go back to mint [19:31] good luck [19:34] fcatto: i haven't noticed anything like that, i'm using gnome graphical environment. [19:36] fcatto: okay, have fun [19:38] anyone know why i can't remove gimp from the snap store? [19:38] fcatto, mint can cause some side effects including heartburn, dry mouth, nausea, and vomiting [19:39] eelstrebor: i love this game... i don't know, why? [19:39] eelstrebor, try "snap remove gimp" from command line [19:40] snap list --all [19:41] syphyr, already tried [19:41] ioria: Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Release amd64 (20190210) [19:42] babuula: there's no transparent orange rectangle covering half size of your screen when you drag or moves windows? [19:42] eelstrebor, and what did the log say [19:43] eelstrebor, snap remove --purge gimp [19:44] there's no mouse clicks that does not respond? [19:46] Canonical should completely hand over Ubuntu to the community because it is no longer able to handle it. [19:46] OR, you could just use something else [19:46] fcatto: write a blog post or something. this is a support room. thanks [19:48] re my ath11k driver issue where newer kernels don't work (no bluetooth or wifi working, with firmware crashes) : I was fine on 5.15 till 5.15-112. That one and -113 no longer work. Luckily I still have -107 around and that works for now. [19:49] (this is on 22.04) [19:49] vortexx: try the HWE kernel. that gives you 6.5 [19:49] fcatto, sounds like you might want to try a different window manager [19:49] !hwe | vortexx [19:49] vortexx: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [19:50] syphyr: which one do you suggest? [19:50] or did you test 6.5 as the "newer kernel" already? [19:50] gnome [19:52] fc@fc-Inspiron-5458:~$ printf 'Desktop: %s\nSession: %s\n' "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" "$GDMSESSION" [19:52] Desktop: ubuntu:GNOME [19:52] Session: ubuntu [19:52] try kde then [19:54] !flavors [19:54] Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours [19:55] GNOME Shell 46.0 [19:56] Maybe an idea to go back to 22.04, with HWE [20:04] fcatto: no, i used to have that but seemed to be a hacker attack. [20:10] ops, i think that was the wrong machine.. [20:11] no, the correct one.. Perhaps because i updated it with the updater [20:22] ravage: 6.5, 6.2 and 6.0 all have the same behaviour, wifi won't connect, bluetooth remains off and can't be turned on. Sometimes it's both wifi and bluetooth (this laptop has now hw killswitch) off and can't be turned on, no matter what. I have a launchpad bug filed but hasn't been touched, sigh. [20:22] I can't try 6.8 or 6.9 because I need zfs support [20:22] 6.5 works in Fedora on a live usb key [20:23] 24.04 comes with 6.8 [20:23] did you try that live usb? [20:23] I think I did, but I can try again [20:24] did you compare the firmware fedora loads if any? [20:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2065938 [20:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2065938 in linux (Ubuntu) "QCA6390 won't work with any kernel above 5.15 in 22.04" [Undecided, New] [20:24] yes, the firmware is the same as on ubuntu [20:24] on 6.8.0-11 the problem seems to be completely gone. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2058752 [20:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2058752 in linux (Ubuntu) "ath11k high jitter and packet loss when operating in 802.11ax mode" [Undecided, New] [20:26] I'll see if the firmware crashes hard or not [20:58] so theres a default in all current 'buntus that could be potentially problematic for people coming from windows... [20:59] the ntfs defaults allow for oddly named files, that is the windows_names flag is not enabled by default [21:00] people new to linux could easily be saving files to an ntfs drive that would later get scanndisked in windows and have files orphaned without realizing it [21:01] so file a bug report [21:04] is there a way to do so without having to set up a launchpad account? [21:04] stuffandthings, you are on it in #linux for an hour or so [21:04] yeah and with help, we figured it out [21:05] ayecee and blondie were a huge help [21:05] newline in a NTFS filename.. [21:05] the band? [21:06] yeah, that was the prob, or more specifically, the prob was that windows_names is not on by default, allowing files to be made from within linux, on ntfs that windows doesnt like [21:06] sounds like a Windows problem to me [21:06] so then going back to windows results in scandisks orphanning files [21:06] weather its a windows problem or not, it can result in data loss for people that are new to linux [21:07] why should linux limit it's functionality because Windows has arbitrary limitations for it's users? [21:07] and you only run windows 7, not 10/11 .. and such copy gives a warning? [21:07] it did it on 10 too [21:07] i booted to 10 before to scandisk [21:07] i have a live 10 that i did so with [21:07] i can do it right now again if you wnt [21:07] *want [21:08] so windows is destroying user files just because of it's name [21:08] leftyfb: because if new people save stuff to their ntfs drive, they could unknowing lose stuff [21:08] there's a lot of ifs in there [21:08] windows does not allow those names [21:08] linux does [21:09] hence the problem, this simple flag prevents linux in allowing it [21:09] its pretty common that people move from windows to ubuntu [21:09] seems like a glaring issue [21:09] aka: handicapping linux because Windows is dangerous and will destroy user files just due to their name [21:10] it does seem like a glaring issue Windows should fix so it doesn't destroy users files just based on their names [21:10] only on ntfs partitions tho, right? if so that seems reasonable [21:10] linux does such action only, if you copy/paste a weird filename, or with the mv function [21:10] yes, only ntfs partitions [21:10] file a bug report, without account you get no feedback [21:11] its a windows fs on a windows os, you can rant that ubuntu doesnt have to comply, and it doesnt, its its own thing, but in the end, its going to result in data loss and its easily preventable [21:12] I would file a bug with Microsoft. Linux isn't destroying anything. [21:12] pebcak [21:12] classic [21:12] i agree linux isnt, but lets be realistic here [21:12] ms isnt going to change how their fs works and it is there child [21:13] *their [21:14] so can ignore it and say its MS's fault and people can keep being exposed to a potential data loss scenario, or you could default a two line conf file that prevents such data loss [21:14] stuffandthings: again, feel free to files a buf if you don't want to ignore it [21:14] its an ntfs change anyway, not a system wide change [21:15] it's not an ntfs change, it's a default configuration ... I assume with the fuse3 application. I could be wrong about the package though [21:16] fwiw, its mount_options.conf in /etc/udisks2/ [21:17] udisks2 is optional, ntfs-3g is standard [21:19] all i know is, putting two lines in that conf addresses it [21:19] [defaults] [21:19] ntfs:ntfs3_defaults=uid=$UID,gid=$GID,windows_names [21:19] particularly the windows_names thing [21:19] Ok, so file a bug report [21:19] im looking into that [21:38] what package would i point ubuntu-bug to for filing this? [21:39] udisks2: /etc/udisks2/mount_options.conf.example [21:39] thanks [21:39] the .conf file does not exist on my system [21:40] but i also dont have any dynamically mounted ntfs partitions [21:40] ravage, do you have udisks2 installed? [21:41] ii udisks2 2.10.1-6build1 [21:42] that /etc/udisks2/mount_options.conf is to be set manually [21:42] does apport not give you a chance to type in a message? its just sending info but id like to explain the potential problem [21:42] https://p.haxxors.com/v7tld8i3.txt [21:42] there are discussions about windows_names way back to 2009 [21:42] so it seems to generate some stuff for devices it detects [21:43] i think i set those in the disks app. in my case enable write cache [21:43] thats set for my samsung drives [21:45] oerheks: got a link? [21:45] https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1253837.html [21:46] but its not still ntfs3g is it? [21:50] right so that thread addresses the problems existence, it also talks about the creator of ntfs3g making the windows_names switch for it, but its never used in ubuntu by default, when seems problematic since its apparently trying to get windows users to come over [21:51] *which seems [21:56] While I agree ubuntu defaults shouldn't allow you to write things on ntfs partition in a way that windows doesn't like, how is ubuntu trying to get windows users to come over? [21:57] i've never heard of canonical doing any marketing towards windows users, have they? [21:57] no. [21:57] yes [21:57]