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tacomasterwhy what? was it about getting it right or wanting to use open drivers if possible00:00
prolapsedanusBoth great questions00:03
tacomasterI am starting to feel you are just trying to troll me (forgive me if I am wrong). I would always support an open source tool over a closed source tool as long as it does the job well and nvidia is designer of the cards.00:05
prolapsedanusBut like why tho?00:05
ravageMost of the driver is still proprietary. The "open" driver just makes it easier to adapt it to newer kernels00:06
ravageIt doesn't really matter which one you install00:07
tacomasterahh ok, that is what I was not understanding. I was looking online and they were trying to say it was an open source driver. I had heard people talking about nvidia doing that but did not know it was still mostly closed source00:08
cabangonsup00:14
cabangonanyone still alive?00:15
topcat001A lot of the code is in the (closed) nvidia firmware00:15
prolapsedanusI'm here bby00:15
cabangonhow do i rum minecraft tho00:15
prolapsedanusSnaps00:15
cabangoni haven't tried that yet00:16
prolapsedanusAre you even using Ubuntu?00:16
cabangonyeah00:20
cabangonim using ubuntu mate00:20
cabangonhow do i install snaps00:23
tacomasterif you are a simi recent version of ubuntu then you are using snaps.00:25
tacomastereven firefox is a snap00:25
Guest5035what time is it for you00:26
cabangon08:2600:27
Guest5035WHAT00:27
Guest5035it's night00:27
cabangonam00:27
cabangonim in philippines00:27
Guest5035ok aha00:27
cabangonyou are in us?00:28
Guest5035no i'm in eu00:28
cabangonohh00:28
Guest5035i mean sweden00:29
oerhekseasy to find, minecraft and server snaps00:29
cabangonoh00:29
Guest5035yes00:29
cabangonbro thats the center of minecraft wdym-_-00:30
Guest5035what00:30
Guest5035i never play minecraft00:30
cabangonwhy?00:30
oerheksthat is not important, this is ubuntu support.00:30
cabangonXD00:30
Guest5035bc i don't like minecraft, i like life.00:31
cabangoni only use it for redstone00:31
cabangoni need support installing snaps00:31
prolapsedanusPro tip: don't consent to snaps00:37
prolapsedanusNot even once00:37
oerheksprolapsedanus, please don't troll here, thanks00:37
cabangonXD00:38
oerheksyour opinion is valuable, in #ubuntu-discuss00:38
cabangonXDDD00:38
prolapsedanusWhat are you talking about? Not using snaps is perfectly valid.00:38
prolapsedanusAdvisable even.00:38
junyxoerheks the authoritarian controlling personality is a bit too strong today00:38
oerheksthat is not the discussion.00:38
oerheksthis is technical support, that that elsewere00:38
Guest2553hello i was Guest503500:39
cabangonbro i need it to install minecraft00:39
oerheksjunyx, no, to keep this channel clear for support.00:39
junyxoerheks you're not even an op though. Why are you telling people what to do?00:39
Guest2553i was guest5035 that talked about mc00:39
oerhekssee my cloak?00:39
Guest2553?00:39
prolapsedanusYou don't need snaps to run Minecraft. Highly unlikely.00:39
junyxoerheks are you claiming to be an op here?00:39
oerheksone could download some deb somewhere, trust the author00:40
cabangonubuntu store is teliing me tho00:40
oerheksdo i need to, junyx ?00:40
junyxoerheks impersonating a channel operator is grounds for banning00:40
prolapsedanuscabangon: pro tip: never even open that 'store' unless to remove software it installed that way.00:40
oerheksprolapsedanus, stop with your protips, thanks.00:41
cabangonyeah ik00:41
cabangonim new to ubuntu i mostly use other os00:41
prolapsedanusI'm trying to help you cabangon00:42
oerheksjunyx, drop it, never said i am an op, just my cloak says ubuntu member.00:42
oerheks!coc > junyx00:42
ubottujunyx: Please see my private message00:42
junyx!coc > oerheks00:42
ubottuoerheks: Please see my private message00:42
prolapsedanusSee if you can install Minecraft with apt which is already present on ubuntu or even you could get a package manager like brew which I bet could give you Minecraft.00:43
oerheksapt package points to the snap package, IIRC00:43
prolapsedanusOr you could build it from source. Perhaps there is a docker container for Minecraft that would be pretty painless.00:44
prolapsedanuscabangon you don't ever have to consent to snaps00:44
prolapsedanusThat's the big idea there.00:44
junyxoerheks isn't it a little late in Amsterdam? Go to sleep man00:44
cabangonwai can snaps run other wins aplications00:45
cabangonis wine better at it?00:46
prolapsedanusIf its a windows app it should run pretty flawlessly with wine even on ubuntu00:50
cabangonill just install wine then00:50
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Juesthey, how would i launch a container of a different installation? i want to refresh snaps but it needs/wants the socket running01:49
Juestwhich means systemd has to be running as a init01:49
oerheksagain with the host is artix story?01:50
Juestoerheks: hypothetical scenario of booting a ubuntu image that belongs to a non-functional system that is mounted on the running system01:58
Juestquestion: im on 22.04 and os-prober does not detect other distros, is there anything i can do about that?01:59
oerheksenable it in grub, standard disabled01:59
oerheksGRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to /etc/default/grub and update-grub02:01
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prolapsedanusSnaps are highly discouraged03:02
toddcby who why?03:07
mdmbkrI have a 10G ethernet card in my ubuntu server, it's a secondary interface just used point-to-point with a desktop ... when I turn on the desktop, ubuntu adds a new default route and basically breaks my network .. is there a way I can prevent this03:43
rboxchange the configuration in netplan03:45
mdmbkrthat worked, thank you03:50
Juestoerheks: os-prober does run but it is not finding distros i have installed in other partitions04:04
Juestwould it be possible to update its database?04:04
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ipdrsupport to intall anydesk on ubuntu07:53
ravagehttp://deb.anydesk.com/howto.html07:55
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fwehtcould my laptop not waking up from suspend be the result of booting it from an external drive?08:22
hwpplayer1hello, how many years Canonical support for the end users (individuals) with Ubuntu Pro, 10 or 12 ?08:47
ravage1008:48
hwpplayer1Thanks08:48
hwpplayer1But for docker I see 1208:48
hwpplayer1okay09:09
hwpplayer1I see09:10
chrisgtfweht: check your bios settings for USB power, some laptops won't provide power to USB ports if the laptop is unplugged, if that's the case the hard drive may take too long to come back to life and the machine hangs10:03
fwehtchrisgt: thanks, but it doesnt seem10:04
MoejrHello10:04
MoejrAnyone?10:04
fwehtto be a problem with the ssd i realized as when i eg have journalctl -f open it will just continue10:05
fwehtso the system seems alright10:05
Moejris there any developers here?10:05
fwehtbut now i did ubuntu-drivers autoinstall bc chatgpt told me so and the it didnt even wake up from suspense10:06
Moejrhey fweht10:07
Moejrdo you read my messages?10:07
fwehtyes10:07
fwehtsorry10:07
Moejrgood10:07
Moejrso you're here to get to know people or something?10:08
MoejrI am Mohammed, and you are?10:08
Moejryou're still with me?10:09
fwehtah sorry i went offline i have a laptop to fi10:14
fwehtfix10:14
fwehtyes you can connect here with ppl but this is more like a support channel there are other channels as well to more like hang out10:15
fwehtis ubuntu-drivers autoinstall something usually performed in the installation process?  bc i installed ubuntu on an external drive on my imac and then booted my thinkpad from it and it seems different than when installing it natively on the thinkpad?10:15
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rino1ciao10:30
rino1in privato10:30
rino1ciao ben venuto10:31
rino1da positano salerno10:32
lotuspsychj3!it | rino110:35
ubotturino1: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi «/join #ubuntu-it» senza virgolette)10:35
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ioria12:09
BluesKajHi all12:09
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ioriaenergizer, fonts-noto-core12:14
digital_Hello there12:18
digital_hello there12:26
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studentjm,13:04
xgptquestion about Firefox on Ubuntu. I'm used to Windows/Mac, if I hit Ctrl-1/Ctrl-2/etc. It goes to tab #1/#2/#3, but NOT on Ubuntu. What's the shortcut on Linux/Ubuntu? Is this an Ubuntu or a Linux quirk?13:56
ogra_xgpt, thats actually a GNBOME (desktop environment) thing ... it is mapped to alt+<number> here13:57
ogra_*GNOME13:58
xgptogra_ , 1) Thanks. That works! Most appreciated, been driving me bonkers. 2) What's Ctrl-1/2/# on GNOME?13:58
ogra_oh, no idea what it is mapped to by default13:59
ogra_doesnt seem to do anything on my machine13:59
ogra_you could perhaps re-map it to suit your finger-memory in firefox 😉14:00
xgptogra_ , eh, I'm pretty adaptable and honestly try to be an anti-ricer when it comes to my electronics. I just try to learn the defaults. I'm also dual booting so there are already plenty of oddities like Ctrl-J vs. Ctrl-Shift-Y for the downloads dialog and such14:02
xgptused to those though14:02
nteodosioThat's not a Gnome thing.14:03
nteodosioFirefox is setting different shortcuts in Linux probably to avoid clashes with popular desktop environments.14:05
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xgptnope, that's a Firefox thing, also that's a good explanation for *why* it's different14:05
xgptaah, yeah, same page nteodosio14:05
xgptsorry14:05
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NoImNotNineVoltokay i think the screen-half-blank problem i'm experiencing isn't an issue with xrandr.. it's an issue with a displayport cable!?15:19
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xgptIs there a way to shrink an ext4 partition (main partition) on a running system?15:28
xgptalternatively, is there a way to shrink an ext4 partition from Windows?15:28
ravageBoot gparted live15:34
ravageBut make sure that you have a backup15:35
ravageThose operations are mostly safe these days but there is always a risk of losing data15:35
ravageEspecially when shrinking partitions15:36
ravagehttps://gparted.org/livecd.php15:36
yamenyamen15:59
yamenmonkeytype.com16:00
yamencan you help me ??16:00
yamenoh that a chat16:01
yamen hi my name is yamen16:01
yamenhow are you fordna16:02
lotuspsychj3yamen: you joined the Ubuntu support channel here16:02
NoImNotNineVolti must be using xrandr wrong. i'm just doing `xrandr --output "$NAME" --mode "${W}x${H}" --fb "${W}x${H}"` in my .xsession, and depending on W and H i get different unexpected behavior.16:38
NoImNotNineVolt4k display, supports 3840x2160, so i try that and the right half of my display stays black, but otherwise seems fine.16:39
NoImNotNineVoltsupports 2560x1440 also, so i try that, and now it draws on the lower half of my screen, but seems to extend past my display's physical limits.16:40
NoImNotNineVolttop half stays black.16:41
NoImNotNineVoltin console mode 3840x2160 works fine.16:41
DiagonI've removed linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04 because of a nvidia-dkms won't configure for kernel 6.516:42
DiagonThe pkg is gone, but dpkg --configure -a still fails on 6.5, even during an autoremove!?16:42
DiagonWhy isn't 6.5 gone?16:42
lotuspsychj3Diagon: try using a !paste to share the output of your apt with the volunteers, so they can try to help you better16:49
Diagonlotuspsychj3 / Here ya go!  https://termbin.com/7jcc16:50
lotuspsychj3Diagon: kernel 6.5 is the current, for jammy HWE so i think apt doesnt like removing that16:53
DiagonBut wait, I've removed linux-image-generic-hew-22.04, which is the reason 6.5, 6.2, and 5.19 are there.  There's no way to get rid of those?16:54
zniavre390 is eol since kernel 5.216:54
Diagon390 works fine in 5.15, 5.19 and dkms compiles fine for 6.2, even if the graphics driver doesn't really work.16:55
DiagonIt's in the repost for all but 6.516:55
Diagon*repos16:55
DiagonNo, it's in the repos for 6.5, too.  It's 6.8 where it's no longer in the repos16:56
DiagonRegardless, the point is how to get rid of these hwe kernels?16:57
lotuspsychj3Diagon: try this; sudo apt install linux-image-generic16:58
Diagonlotuspsychj3 / I've got that installed.  It's been there the whole time.  I don't think you can have -hwe without it.16:59
lotuspsychj3Diagon: did you reboot into the older kernel then?17:00
DiagonI did.  I'm running 5.15 now.17:00
lotuspsychj3Diagon: what gives ubuntu-drivers list on your system?17:02
DiagonYou want just the gpu drivers?17:03
lotuspsychj3i want to see wich drivers your card shows available yes17:03
Diagonubuntu-drivers list just returns nvidia-driver-39017:04
lotuspsychj3hmm17:05
lotuspsychj3Diagon: you might wanna purge 390 there17:07
lotuspsychj3sudo apt purge nvidia*17:08
DiagonSo you're saying go back to nouveau, then somehow apt autoremove should get rid of those kernels, then go back to nvidia?17:08
lotuspsychj3Diagon: sounds a bit like bug #202816517:09
-ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2028165 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu Jammy) "nvidia-dkms-* FTBS with linux 6.5" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202816517:09
DiagonThat's me.17:09
lotuspsychj3Diagon: think apt wants you to sort 390 errors first17:09
aienaI am on ubuntu 22.04 not sure when this started happening but now the media keys on my keyboard no longer reduce or increase volume how to troubleshoot this?17:09
Diagonlotuspsychj3 / ok, so back to nouveau, autoremove, back to nvidia.  That's maybe the right path?17:11
lotuspsychj3Diagon: im affraid, 390 will give back the same error17:11
lotuspsychj3but you can try17:11
lotuspsychj3fall back to nouveau first, and make apt clean without errors first17:11
Diagondkms only gives the error for 6.5, not for the other kernels.17:12
Diagon(dpkg --configure always configures the running kernel first, so I was able to get them all configured but that one.)17:13
lotuspsychj3!info nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 jammy17:13
ubottuPackage nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 does not exist in jammy17:14
Diagonlotuspsychj3 / But it does.  We've been through this before here.17:15
lotuspsychj3!info nvidia-driver-390 jammy17:15
ubottunvidia-driver-390 (390.157-0ubuntu0.22.04.2, jammy): NVIDIA driver metapackage. In component restricted, is optional. Built by nvidia-graphics-drivers-390. Size 389 kB / 1,083 kB. (Only available for i386, amd64, armhf.)17:15
DiagonWhat a headache nvidia is; but it's the only way to run multiple screens on a thinkpad with a dock.17:16
lotuspsychj3Diagon: i would fallback to nouveau first to get rid of your apt issues17:19
lotuspsychj3after that you can try some new tests17:20
lotuspsychj3another road you can try is testing a driver from the ubuntu graphics ppa17:20
lotuspsychj3!nvidia17:20
ubottuDrivers for Nvidia graphics cards: (A) No gaming/CAD/CUDA needed or legacy hardware? Use "nouveau" (open source, lacks many features). (B) Otherwise, "nvidia" (proprietary driver, fully featured). Install using "ubuntu-drivers" CLI or apt - not from nvidia.com. Driver series, hardware support (release notes): https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ - Latest drivers !PPA: https://pad.lv/ppa/graphics-drivers17:20
DiagonYa, I get it.  If I purge nvidia, I'm wondering if I need to also install nouveau-firmware to have w aorking driver?17:20
enigma9o7no.  firmware provides video decoding tho.17:21
lotuspsychj3Diagon: purging nvidia should get you to nouveau automaticly17:21
enigma9o7boot into generic kernel, remove hwe kernel metapackage and all installed hwe kernels.17:22
Diagonenigma9o7 / I've booted into 5.15 (that's linux-image-generic). I've removed linux-image-generic-hwe-*, and now I still have 6.517:24
FKAShinobiI copy files via command line to a specific directory often. The path is long and don't want to keep typing it. Is there a way to assign a shortcut for this directory like ~ refers to /home/user17:24
enigma9o7removing the meta package doesn't remove installed hwe kernels, gotta install each installed version17:24
enigma9o7errr remove each installed version17:24
Diagonenigma9o7 / Ah, ok!  Let me try that...17:25
enigma9o7"apt list -installed|grep hwe" and remove those17:25
Diagonenigma9o7 / here's the list.  I only see headers, plus systemd-hwe-hwdb.  Suggestions?  https://termbin.com/smgf17:32
enigma9o7You said you still have 6.5; why do you say that?  If the package isn't installed....17:33
Diagonenigma9o7 / I do, you can see here: https://termbin.com/7jcc17:34
ioriaDiagon, what's your video card ?17:35
enigma9o7Well, you can do it manually if no package is installed.  Use sudo to rm everything you don't need in /boot17:35
Diagonioria / https://termbin.com/4e4t17:35
enigma9o7of course don't delete the files with the version you're actually using and one previous for prosperity.17:36
ioriano, i don't think you can install the nvidia driver with a 6.5 kernel with that card Diagon17:37
ioriaDiagon, with 5.15 etc, maybe17:37
Diagoneingma9o7 / no, it's installed, it just doesn't come up using apt list --installed.17:37
Diagonaptitude search linux | grep 6.5 returns i A linux-image-6.5.0-44-generic17:37
enigma9o7well if there's a package installed, r emove it.17:38
enigma9o7but you can just delete files form /boot, the reason to avoid that normally is cuz you should let package manager handle it.17:38
DiagonYa, a bunch of them.  Modules also.  modules-extra in addition ...  Ok, I'll try that.17:38
Diagonenigma9o7 / :thumbs-up:17:40
Diagonenigma9o7 / Ok!  That worked.  Thanks. Now, my only question is, if I leave 5.19 and 6.2 in there, will they be upgraded (eg. 5.19.0-50 to 5.19.0-51 etc.)  Or, should I remove those too?18:05
Diagonlotuspxychj3 / enigma9o7 / thanks both for your help ^^^18:06
enigma9o7If the meta package is installed, they will get security updates.18:06
enigma9o7If not, then they won't.18:06
enigma9o7I'm only familiar with the two standard meta packages (linux-image-generic and linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04) but having those installed make those keep getting updates.18:08
enigma9o7there are other oem ones, etc available too tho.18:08
enigma9o7(that might corresepond to 5.19 or 6.2, not sure)18:09
Diagonenigma9o7 / I see, but there's no meta-package at all in the repo for 5.19 (except azure & nvidia)18:09
enigma9o7then it probably wont get updates18:10
Diagonenigma9o7 / I'm digging around, but it seems a bit mysterious.  I'll just keep an eye on it and see what happens.  Unless I see an update, I wont' use them though.18:13
cixxhi18:32
cixxhow can i type something to background of dock or menubar on ubuntu? i want to put a text permanently18:33
enigma9o7Hmmm haven't heard of an extension to do that.  You could put a fake app there and use whatever icon you want?  Or edit your wallpaper and put text there?18:34
fastidiousFor anyone using Multipass, which virtualisation do you prefer (QEMU, LXD, libvirt), and why?18:34
enigma9o7Lilu likes multipass iirc.18:35
cixxenigma9o7, if i cant find for menubar or dock, i have to go with desktop wallpaper18:36
cixxwow.. i heard multipass first time. i was using parallels. dont i need parallels anymore? does it support everything?18:39
fastidiouscixx: Multipass is mainly to run Ubuntu VMs.18:40
fastidiouscixx: if you want to virtualise anything else, better keep Parallels, VMWare, etc., etc.18:41
cixxi use only ubuntu for now. to make another vpn connection other than main system and run on a different project18:42
fastidiouscixx: then Multipass might be less resource intensive. Give it a try!18:47
UnivrslSuprBoxWhat's up with the `shim` binary package in Ubuntu? It doesn't actually include any binaries. shim-dbg, however, does.19:20
JanCUnivrslSuprBox: the shim-signed package is what you need for secure boot19:41
UnivrslSuprBoxJanC: Of course. But why is `shim` still in the distribution then? It only contains the copyright file.19:41
JanCI'm not sure, to be honest19:44
JanCmaybe the changelog.Debian.gz file has some info...19:45
lewis_hola19:59
tarzeaubanditkroot: crash bandikraut?20:21
GrandPa-GI am trying to ssh or sftp into desktop. I put in correct password and immediately fails. In ssh, it says broken pi. However, with rdc it seems to work. Any ideas?20:28
vltGrandPa-G: Can you paste what `ssh -vvv ...` shows?20:30
GrandPa-Gvlt, https://pastebin.com/M6YenXqn20:57
xgptIs there a way to tell ubuntu to "reboot into Windows" without having to babysit the reboot process?21:00
tarzeauxgpt: efibootmgr?21:00
tarzeauor https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/662423/grub-command-to-select-next-boot-menuentry-via-command-like-efibootmgr21:01
xgpttarzeau , how do i enumerate the grub list from within the OS?21:22
tarzeauxgpt: just run efibootmgr it says something like 0002 with what it is21:24
tarzeauxgpt: bootCurrent and BootOrder are what you're looking for21:24
xgpthmm21:25
xgptlet's try that21:25
xgptbrb21:25
xgptyoooooooo tarzeau that worked!21:26
xgpti wonder how to do it from windows21:26
xgpt...21:26
xgptoh, I guess I don't have to since it's already the default boot option21:26
xgpttarzeau , you rock friend21:27
tarzeauxgpt: if i got a doller evertime i was stoned...21:28
tarzeaudollar21:28
xgptwhat?21:28
tarzeaunever mind21:29
xgptI'm not stoned...I'm perpetually exhausted from caring for my two year old...which is basically the same21:29
bparkerI'm trying to enroll fingerprints with a u.are.u 4500 device, fprintd is running and I am able to "successfully" enroll a finger, but verifying them always fails. any ideas? OS is 22.0421:55
vltGrandPa-G: See /topic for pastes. (Can’t open yours.)21:58
GrandPa-Gvlt, sorry, it needed one more step to save. Try this. https://pastebin.com/kf2Vdz7d22:01
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