[00:00] why what? was it about getting it right or wanting to use open drivers if possible [00:03] Both great questions [00:05] I am starting to feel you are just trying to troll me (forgive me if I am wrong). I would always support an open source tool over a closed source tool as long as it does the job well and nvidia is designer of the cards. [00:05] But like why tho? [00:06] Most of the driver is still proprietary. The "open" driver just makes it easier to adapt it to newer kernels [00:07] It doesn't really matter which one you install [00:08] ahh ok, that is what I was not understanding. I was looking online and they were trying to say it was an open source driver. I had heard people talking about nvidia doing that but did not know it was still mostly closed source [00:14] sup [00:15] anyone still alive? [00:15] A lot of the code is in the (closed) nvidia firmware [00:15] I'm here bby [00:15] how do i rum minecraft tho [00:15] Snaps [00:16] i haven't tried that yet [00:16] Are you even using Ubuntu? [00:20] yeah [00:20] im using ubuntu mate [00:23] how do i install snaps [00:25] if you are a simi recent version of ubuntu then you are using snaps. [00:25] even firefox is a snap [00:26] what time is it for you [00:27] 08:26 [00:27] WHAT [00:27] it's night [00:27] am [00:27] im in philippines [00:27] ok aha [00:28] you are in us? [00:28] no i'm in eu [00:28] ohh [00:29] i mean sweden [00:29] easy to find, minecraft and server snaps [00:29] oh [00:29] yes [00:30] bro thats the center of minecraft wdym-_- [00:30] what [00:30] i never play minecraft [00:30] why? [00:30] that is not important, this is ubuntu support. [00:30] XD [00:31] bc i don't like minecraft, i like life. [00:31] i only use it for redstone [00:31] i need support installing snaps [00:37] Pro tip: don't consent to snaps [00:37] Not even once [00:37] prolapsedanus, please don't troll here, thanks [00:38] XD [00:38] your opinion is valuable, in #ubuntu-discuss [00:38] XDDD [00:38] What are you talking about? Not using snaps is perfectly valid. [00:38] Advisable even. [00:38] oerheks the authoritarian controlling personality is a bit too strong today [00:38] that is not the discussion. [00:38] this is technical support, that that elsewere [00:39] hello i was Guest5035 [00:39] bro i need it to install minecraft [00:39] junyx, no, to keep this channel clear for support. [00:39] oerheks you're not even an op though. Why are you telling people what to do? [00:39] i was guest5035 that talked about mc [00:39] see my cloak? [00:39] ? [00:39] You don't need snaps to run Minecraft. Highly unlikely. [00:39] oerheks are you claiming to be an op here? [00:40] one could download some deb somewhere, trust the author [00:40] ubuntu store is teliing me tho [00:40] do i need to, junyx ? [00:40] oerheks impersonating a channel operator is grounds for banning [00:40] cabangon: pro tip: never even open that 'store' unless to remove software it installed that way. [00:41] prolapsedanus, stop with your protips, thanks. [00:41] yeah ik [00:41] im new to ubuntu i mostly use other os [00:42] I'm trying to help you cabangon [00:42] junyx, drop it, never said i am an op, just my cloak says ubuntu member. [00:42] !coc > junyx [00:42] junyx: Please see my private message [00:42] !coc > oerheks [00:42] oerheks: Please see my private message [00:43] See if you can install Minecraft with apt which is already present on ubuntu or even you could get a package manager like brew which I bet could give you Minecraft. [00:43] apt package points to the snap package, IIRC [00:44] Or you could build it from source. Perhaps there is a docker container for Minecraft that would be pretty painless. [00:44] cabangon you don't ever have to consent to snaps [00:44] That's the big idea there. [00:44] oerheks isn't it a little late in Amsterdam? Go to sleep man [00:45] wai can snaps run other wins aplications [00:46] is wine better at it? [00:50] If its a windows app it should run pretty flawlessly with wine even on ubuntu [00:50] ill just install wine then === tmroland_ is now known as tmroland === antonispgs3 is now known as antonispgs === chris14_ is now known as chris14 [01:49] hey, how would i launch a container of a different installation? i want to refresh snaps but it needs/wants the socket running [01:49] which means systemd has to be running as a init [01:50] again with the host is artix story? [01:58] oerheks: hypothetical scenario of booting a ubuntu image that belongs to a non-functional system that is mounted on the running system [01:59] question: im on 22.04 and os-prober does not detect other distros, is there anything i can do about that? [01:59] enable it in grub, standard disabled [02:01] GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to /etc/default/grub and update-grub === juan is now known as Guest5712 [03:02] Snaps are highly discouraged [03:07] by who why? [03:43] I have a 10G ethernet card in my ubuntu server, it's a secondary interface just used point-to-point with a desktop ... when I turn on the desktop, ubuntu adds a new default route and basically breaks my network .. is there a way I can prevent this [03:45] change the configuration in netplan [03:50] that worked, thank you [04:04] oerheks: os-prober does run but it is not finding distros i have installed in other partitions [04:04] would it be possible to update its database? === antonispgs8 is now known as antonispgs === ancientz8 is now known as ancientz === WaV2 is now known as WaV === EriC^^ is now known as Guest157 === pushkarnk1 is now known as pushkarnk === mrpond3 is now known as mrpond [07:53] support to intall anydesk on ubuntu [07:55] http://deb.anydesk.com/howto.html === pushkarnk1 is now known as pushkarnk === pushkarnk1 is now known as pushkarnk [08:22] could my laptop not waking up from suspend be the result of booting it from an external drive? [08:47] hello, how many years Canonical support for the end users (individuals) with Ubuntu Pro, 10 or 12 ? [08:48] 10 [08:48] Thanks [08:48] But for docker I see 12 [09:09] okay [09:10] I see [10:03] fweht: check your bios settings for USB power, some laptops won't provide power to USB ports if the laptop is unplugged, if that's the case the hard drive may take too long to come back to life and the machine hangs [10:04] chrisgt: thanks, but it doesnt seem [10:04] Hello [10:04] Anyone? [10:05] to be a problem with the ssd i realized as when i eg have journalctl -f open it will just continue [10:05] so the system seems alright [10:05] is there any developers here? [10:06] but now i did ubuntu-drivers autoinstall bc chatgpt told me so and the it didnt even wake up from suspense [10:07] hey fweht [10:07] do you read my messages? [10:07] yes [10:07] sorry [10:07] good [10:08] so you're here to get to know people or something? [10:08] I am Mohammed, and you are? [10:09] you're still with me? [10:14] ah sorry i went offline i have a laptop to fi [10:14] fix [10:15] yes you can connect here with ppl but this is more like a support channel there are other channels as well to more like hang out [10:15] is ubuntu-drivers autoinstall something usually performed in the installation process? bc i installed ubuntu on an external drive on my imac and then booted my thinkpad from it and it seems different than when installing it natively on the thinkpad? === pushkarnk1 is now known as pushkarnk [10:30] ciao [10:30] in privato [10:31] ciao ben venuto [10:32] da positano salerno [10:35] !it | rino1 [10:35] rino1: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi «/join #ubuntu-it» senza virgolette) === ashwin is now known as sleepymario === chris14_ is now known as chris14 [12:09] ⨟ [12:09] Hi all === mrbutthead5 is now known as mrbutthead === SirLouen5 is now known as SirLouen === voeid5 is now known as voeid === freakyy854 is now known as freakyy85 [12:14] energizer, fonts-noto-core [12:18] Hello there [12:26] hello there === abydon2 is now known as abydon === GJdan_ is now known as GJdan [13:04] jm, [13:56] question about Firefox on Ubuntu. I'm used to Windows/Mac, if I hit Ctrl-1/Ctrl-2/etc. It goes to tab #1/#2/#3, but NOT on Ubuntu. What's the shortcut on Linux/Ubuntu? Is this an Ubuntu or a Linux quirk? [13:57] xgpt, thats actually a GNBOME (desktop environment) thing ... it is mapped to alt+ here [13:58] *GNOME [13:58] ogra_ , 1) Thanks. That works! Most appreciated, been driving me bonkers. 2) What's Ctrl-1/2/# on GNOME? [13:59] oh, no idea what it is mapped to by default [13:59] doesnt seem to do anything on my machine [14:00] you could perhaps re-map it to suit your finger-memory in firefox 😉 [14:02] ogra_ , eh, I'm pretty adaptable and honestly try to be an anti-ricer when it comes to my electronics. I just try to learn the defaults. I'm also dual booting so there are already plenty of oddities like Ctrl-J vs. Ctrl-Shift-Y for the downloads dialog and such [14:02] used to those though [14:03] That's not a Gnome thing. [14:05] Firefox is setting different shortcuts in Linux probably to avoid clashes with popular desktop environments. === Ps1-Jack is now known as Psi-Jack [14:05] nope, that's a Firefox thing, also that's a good explanation for *why* it's different [14:05] aah, yeah, same page nteodosio [14:05] sorry === jamie is now known as jamie792 === pushkarnk1 is now known as pushkarnk === Ps1-Jack is now known as Psi-Jack === ahasenack__ is now known as ahasenack [15:19] okay i think the screen-half-blank problem i'm experiencing isn't an issue with xrandr.. it's an issue with a displayport cable!? === ctraven_ is now known as sotaoverride [15:28] Is there a way to shrink an ext4 partition (main partition) on a running system? [15:28] alternatively, is there a way to shrink an ext4 partition from Windows? [15:34] Boot gparted live [15:35] But make sure that you have a backup [15:35] Those operations are mostly safe these days but there is always a risk of losing data [15:36] Especially when shrinking partitions [15:36] https://gparted.org/livecd.php [15:59] yamen [16:00] monkeytype.com [16:00] can you help me ?? [16:01] oh that a chat [16:01] hi my name is yamen [16:02] how are you fordna [16:02] yamen: you joined the Ubuntu support channel here [16:38] i must be using xrandr wrong. i'm just doing `xrandr --output "$NAME" --mode "${W}x${H}" --fb "${W}x${H}"` in my .xsession, and depending on W and H i get different unexpected behavior. [16:39] 4k display, supports 3840x2160, so i try that and the right half of my display stays black, but otherwise seems fine. [16:40] supports 2560x1440 also, so i try that, and now it draws on the lower half of my screen, but seems to extend past my display's physical limits. [16:41] top half stays black. [16:41] in console mode 3840x2160 works fine. [16:42] I've removed linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04 because of a nvidia-dkms won't configure for kernel 6.5 [16:42] The pkg is gone, but dpkg --configure -a still fails on 6.5, even during an autoremove!? [16:42] Why isn't 6.5 gone? [16:49] Diagon: try using a !paste to share the output of your apt with the volunteers, so they can try to help you better [16:50] lotuspsychj3 / Here ya go! https://termbin.com/7jcc [16:53] Diagon: kernel 6.5 is the current, for jammy HWE so i think apt doesnt like removing that [16:54] But wait, I've removed linux-image-generic-hew-22.04, which is the reason 6.5, 6.2, and 5.19 are there. There's no way to get rid of those? [16:54] 390 is eol since kernel 5.2 [16:55] 390 works fine in 5.15, 5.19 and dkms compiles fine for 6.2, even if the graphics driver doesn't really work. [16:55] It's in the repost for all but 6.5 [16:55] *repos [16:56] No, it's in the repos for 6.5, too. It's 6.8 where it's no longer in the repos [16:57] Regardless, the point is how to get rid of these hwe kernels? [16:58] Diagon: try this; sudo apt install linux-image-generic [16:59] lotuspsychj3 / I've got that installed. It's been there the whole time. I don't think you can have -hwe without it. [17:00] Diagon: did you reboot into the older kernel then? [17:00] I did. I'm running 5.15 now. [17:02] Diagon: what gives ubuntu-drivers list on your system? [17:03] You want just the gpu drivers? [17:03] i want to see wich drivers your card shows available yes [17:04] ubuntu-drivers list just returns nvidia-driver-390 [17:05] hmm [17:07] Diagon: you might wanna purge 390 there [17:08] sudo apt purge nvidia* [17:08] So you're saying go back to nouveau, then somehow apt autoremove should get rid of those kernels, then go back to nvidia? [17:09] Diagon: sounds a bit like bug #2028165 [17:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2028165 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu Jammy) "nvidia-dkms-* FTBS with linux 6.5" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2028165 [17:09] That's me. [17:09] Diagon: think apt wants you to sort 390 errors first [17:09] I am on ubuntu 22.04 not sure when this started happening but now the media keys on my keyboard no longer reduce or increase volume how to troubleshoot this? [17:11] lotuspsychj3 / ok, so back to nouveau, autoremove, back to nvidia. That's maybe the right path? [17:11] Diagon: im affraid, 390 will give back the same error [17:11] but you can try [17:11] fall back to nouveau first, and make apt clean without errors first [17:12] dkms only gives the error for 6.5, not for the other kernels. [17:13] (dpkg --configure always configures the running kernel first, so I was able to get them all configured but that one.) [17:13] !info nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 jammy [17:14] Package nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 does not exist in jammy [17:15] lotuspsychj3 / But it does. We've been through this before here. [17:15] !info nvidia-driver-390 jammy [17:15] nvidia-driver-390 (390.157-0ubuntu0.22.04.2, jammy): NVIDIA driver metapackage. In component restricted, is optional. Built by nvidia-graphics-drivers-390. Size 389 kB / 1,083 kB. (Only available for i386, amd64, armhf.) [17:16] What a headache nvidia is; but it's the only way to run multiple screens on a thinkpad with a dock. [17:19] Diagon: i would fallback to nouveau first to get rid of your apt issues [17:20] after that you can try some new tests [17:20] another road you can try is testing a driver from the ubuntu graphics ppa [17:20] !nvidia [17:20] Drivers for Nvidia graphics cards: (A) No gaming/CAD/CUDA needed or legacy hardware? Use "nouveau" (open source, lacks many features). (B) Otherwise, "nvidia" (proprietary driver, fully featured). Install using "ubuntu-drivers" CLI or apt - not from nvidia.com. Driver series, hardware support (release notes): https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ - Latest drivers !PPA: https://pad.lv/ppa/graphics-drivers [17:20] Ya, I get it. If I purge nvidia, I'm wondering if I need to also install nouveau-firmware to have w aorking driver? [17:21] no. firmware provides video decoding tho. [17:21] Diagon: purging nvidia should get you to nouveau automaticly [17:22] boot into generic kernel, remove hwe kernel metapackage and all installed hwe kernels. [17:24] enigma9o7 / I've booted into 5.15 (that's linux-image-generic). I've removed linux-image-generic-hwe-*, and now I still have 6.5 [17:24] I copy files via command line to a specific directory often. The path is long and don't want to keep typing it. Is there a way to assign a shortcut for this directory like ~ refers to /home/user [17:24] removing the meta package doesn't remove installed hwe kernels, gotta install each installed version [17:24] errr remove each installed version [17:25] enigma9o7 / Ah, ok! Let me try that... [17:25] "apt list -installed|grep hwe" and remove those [17:32] enigma9o7 / here's the list. I only see headers, plus systemd-hwe-hwdb. Suggestions? https://termbin.com/smgf [17:33] You said you still have 6.5; why do you say that? If the package isn't installed.... [17:34] enigma9o7 / I do, you can see here: https://termbin.com/7jcc [17:35] Diagon, what's your video card ? [17:35] Well, you can do it manually if no package is installed. Use sudo to rm everything you don't need in /boot [17:35] ioria / https://termbin.com/4e4t [17:36] of course don't delete the files with the version you're actually using and one previous for prosperity. [17:37] no, i don't think you can install the nvidia driver with a 6.5 kernel with that card Diagon [17:37] Diagon, with 5.15 etc, maybe [17:37] eingma9o7 / no, it's installed, it just doesn't come up using apt list --installed. [17:37] aptitude search linux | grep 6.5 returns i A linux-image-6.5.0-44-generic [17:38] well if there's a package installed, r emove it. [17:38] but you can just delete files form /boot, the reason to avoid that normally is cuz you should let package manager handle it. [17:38] Ya, a bunch of them. Modules also. modules-extra in addition ... Ok, I'll try that. [17:40] enigma9o7 / :thumbs-up: [18:05] enigma9o7 / Ok! That worked. Thanks. Now, my only question is, if I leave 5.19 and 6.2 in there, will they be upgraded (eg. 5.19.0-50 to 5.19.0-51 etc.) Or, should I remove those too? [18:06] lotuspxychj3 / enigma9o7 / thanks both for your help ^^^ [18:06] If the meta package is installed, they will get security updates. [18:06] If not, then they won't. [18:08] I'm only familiar with the two standard meta packages (linux-image-generic and linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04) but having those installed make those keep getting updates. [18:08] there are other oem ones, etc available too tho. [18:09] (that might corresepond to 5.19 or 6.2, not sure) [18:09] enigma9o7 / I see, but there's no meta-package at all in the repo for 5.19 (except azure & nvidia) [18:10] then it probably wont get updates [18:13] enigma9o7 / I'm digging around, but it seems a bit mysterious. I'll just keep an eye on it and see what happens. Unless I see an update, I wont' use them though. [18:32] hi [18:33] how can i type something to background of dock or menubar on ubuntu? i want to put a text permanently [18:34] Hmmm haven't heard of an extension to do that. You could put a fake app there and use whatever icon you want? Or edit your wallpaper and put text there? [18:34] For anyone using Multipass, which virtualisation do you prefer (QEMU, LXD, libvirt), and why? [18:35] Lilu likes multipass iirc. [18:36] enigma9o7, if i cant find for menubar or dock, i have to go with desktop wallpaper [18:39] wow.. i heard multipass first time. i was using parallels. dont i need parallels anymore? does it support everything? [18:40] cixx: Multipass is mainly to run Ubuntu VMs. [18:41] cixx: if you want to virtualise anything else, better keep Parallels, VMWare, etc., etc. [18:42] i use only ubuntu for now. to make another vpn connection other than main system and run on a different project [18:47] cixx: then Multipass might be less resource intensive. Give it a try! [19:20] What's up with the `shim` binary package in Ubuntu? It doesn't actually include any binaries. shim-dbg, however, does. [19:41] UnivrslSuprBox: the shim-signed package is what you need for secure boot [19:41] JanC: Of course. But why is `shim` still in the distribution then? It only contains the copyright file. [19:44] I'm not sure, to be honest [19:45] maybe the changelog.Debian.gz file has some info... [19:59] hola [20:21] banditkroot: crash bandikraut? [20:28] I am trying to ssh or sftp into desktop. I put in correct password and immediately fails. In ssh, it says broken pi. However, with rdc it seems to work. Any ideas? [20:30] GrandPa-G: Can you paste what `ssh -vvv ...` shows? [20:57] vlt, https://pastebin.com/M6YenXqn [21:00] Is there a way to tell ubuntu to "reboot into Windows" without having to babysit the reboot process? [21:00] xgpt: efibootmgr? [21:01] or https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/662423/grub-command-to-select-next-boot-menuentry-via-command-like-efibootmgr [21:22] tarzeau , how do i enumerate the grub list from within the OS? [21:24] xgpt: just run efibootmgr it says something like 0002 with what it is [21:24] xgpt: bootCurrent and BootOrder are what you're looking for [21:25] hmm [21:25] let's try that [21:25] brb [21:26] yoooooooo tarzeau that worked! [21:26] i wonder how to do it from windows [21:26] ... [21:26] oh, I guess I don't have to since it's already the default boot option [21:27] tarzeau , you rock friend [21:28] xgpt: if i got a doller evertime i was stoned... [21:28] dollar [21:28] what? [21:29] never mind [21:29] I'm not stoned...I'm perpetually exhausted from caring for my two year old...which is basically the same [21:55] I'm trying to enroll fingerprints with a u.are.u 4500 device, fprintd is running and I am able to "successfully" enroll a finger, but verifying them always fails. any ideas? OS is 22.04 [21:58] GrandPa-G: See /topic for pastes. (Can’t open yours.) [22:01] vlt, sorry, it needed one more step to save. Try this. https://pastebin.com/kf2Vdz7d === BarnabasDK_ is now known as BarnabasDK === franko is now known as yaco170583