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| sebas | Buenas!!!!! | 01:24 |
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| nicolas-flores | hi | 03:56 |
| enigma9o7 | Welcome. | 03:56 |
| Juest | is there a channel for the ubuntu wiki? | 04:00 |
| enigma9o7 | I believe it can be found on the world wide web. | 04:06 |
| bebop | what lts version of ubuntu is being released in august? | 04:07 |
| enigma9o7 | 24.04.1 | 04:07 |
| bebop | thanks | 04:08 |
| Juest | ummm, where i can get support with ubuntu infrastructure or ubuntu one? | 04:13 |
| Juest | i am unable to get through saml for ubuntu's matrix server because ubuntu one does not recognize the matrix server | 04:14 |
| ravage1 | Just: are you an Ubuntu member or a Canonical employee? | 04:30 |
| ravage1 | Sorry. Juest | 04:33 |
| ravage1 | See step 2: https://ubuntu.com/community/communications/matrix/onboarding | 04:35 |
| Juest | ravage1: oh thanks, i must've missed that somehow, no, but thought it seemed possible | 04:44 |
| Guest45 | hy | 05:46 |
| Guest45 | my name is kendrick by the way | 05:47 |
| Guest45 | somebody say hi to me | 05:48 |
| Guest45 | hy hid | 05:52 |
| Guest45 | who ever u r | 05:53 |
| Guest45 | hy to eveyone | 06:01 |
| Guest45 | here | 06:01 |
| CosmicDJ | Guest45: feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic if you just want to chat | 06:04 |
| Guest45 | ok | 06:09 |
| Guest45 | my name is kendrick by the way | 06:09 |
| Guest45 | hy to eveyone here | 06:14 |
| toddc | !support | Guest45 | 06:16 |
| ubottu | Guest45: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 06:16 |
| Guest45 | hy my name is kendrick by the way | 06:17 |
| toddc | !ask | 06:17 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 06:17 |
| Guest45 | ok | 06:17 |
| el | Guest45: you were told earlier in #Libera how to look for channels, try using those instructions to find channels that say "social" or "offtopic" in their name | 06:22 |
| Guest45 | i have a question how is everybody | 06:23 |
| Guest45 | ya i know | 06:23 |
| Guest45 | but im not going anywhere | 06:24 |
| Guest45 | so just leave me alone | 06:24 |
| Guest45 | i dont even know u el | 06:27 |
| kendrick | hy | 07:22 |
| kendrick | im back | 07:22 |
| kendrick | cool | 07:23 |
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| kendrick | ok cool | 07:35 |
| kendrick | hello to eveyone here | 07:41 |
| kendrick | hy jenyarus | 07:52 |
| kendrick | is anyone going to talk to me or what | 08:00 |
| kendrick | before i go to bed | 08:01 |
| kendrick | getting sleeppy | 08:01 |
| kendrick | it is now 4; | 08:02 |
| kendrick | it is now 4:00 in the morning | 08:02 |
| Juest | el, same person who doesnt listen | 08:06 |
| Juest | !patience | 08:07 |
| ubottu | Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/ | 08:07 |
| kendrick | ok | 08:09 |
| kendrick | i do not even know u people | 08:10 |
| kendrick | in here | 08:10 |
| * JenyaRus thinks that Linux Mint = Ubuntu too | 08:23 | |
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| u0_a98 | adena | 09:30 |
| u0_a98 | chan adena | 09:30 |
| u0_a98 | or token | 09:30 |
| u0_a98 | adminhack inside !chk`s | 09:59 |
| u0_a98 | 2B adena? | 10:00 |
| u0_a98 | trade in giran plaza put clock color random | 10:05 |
| u0_a98 | 2b ready | 10:05 |
| lotuspsychje | u0_a98: can we help you? | 10:09 |
| lotuspsychje | |N3on21|: you got a question on your bug #2073676 | 10:12 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2073676 in linux (Ubuntu) "after update of kernel HDMI audio is not working" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2073676 | 10:12 | |
| u0_a98 | !chk | 10:12 |
| |N3on21| | @lotuspsychje okay let me take a look. Im glad that I have you to keep me in the loop :) | 10:37 |
| lotuspsychje | |N3on21|: normaly you should get email notifys on that | 10:37 |
| |N3on21| | @lotuspsychje, that I did not | 10:38 |
| |N3on21| | and it is not in my spam filter aswell | 10:39 |
| lotuspsychje | i see you have no public email on your LP | 10:39 |
| |N3on21| | ahh sorry.... my bad... I did get the mail notify | 10:40 |
| |N3on21| | :) | 10:40 |
| |N3on21| | can I ask you to explain to me what regression is... in normal words | 10:41 |
| lotuspsychje | |N3on21|: something that used to work, but no longer works | 10:43 |
| lotuspsychje | |N3on21|: so the dev wants to know wich was tha last kernel you used it still worked | 10:43 |
| |N3on21| | @lotuspsychje, Thx | 10:43 |
| lotuspsychje | before 6.8.0-38-generic | 10:44 |
| lotuspsychje | i assume 6.8.0-36 ? | 10:45 |
| |N3on21| | :) correct | 10:45 |
| lotuspsychje | |N3on21|: we recently got a -39 in updates, did you also test that one? | 10:46 |
| |N3on21| | that is already in the bug | 10:46 |
| lotuspsychje | |N3on21|: yeah i know, but what the devs are after is the range they need to start bisect, to find the right culprit | 10:47 |
| |N3on21| | ahh okay - got it. ill reply in a min. | 10:48 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx |N3on21| | 10:48 |
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| kendrick | hy | 11:13 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome kendrick | 11:13 |
| kendrick | thank u | 11:14 |
| kendrick | how r u | 11:14 |
| |N3on21| | @lotuspsychje, thx m8 | 11:18 |
| lotuspsychje | no worrys |N3on21| pretty sure the devs will find it | 11:19 |
| |N3on21| | i was not able to ul two screenshots so i just ul the most important one :) | 11:19 |
| fweht | firefox notifies me that an update is available but `sudo snap refresh` shows all packages up to date? | 11:43 |
| ravage1 | close firefox | 11:44 |
| ravage1 | try again | 11:44 |
| ravage1 | it should actually auto update as soon as you close firefox. but you can check with the refresh command | 11:44 |
| fweht | ravage1: its not working, i closed and reopened it. but why would it auto update, i thought thats snaps job? | 11:45 |
| ravage1 | snap does the update yes | 11:45 |
| ravage1 | you may already have the new version then | 11:46 |
| fweht | i have 127.0.2-1 | 11:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | maybe to start with, fweht how did you install firefox? did you use the software store, command line, direct download of the firefox installer from Mozilla? | 11:46 |
| ravage1 | that is the latest available stable version | 11:46 |
| fweht | pragmaticenigma: via snap | 11:46 |
| fweht | ravage1: ah nice! | 11:46 |
| fweht | pragmaticenigma: command line | 11:47 |
| fweht | i only ever used thinkpads, what about the cheap chinese laptops (huawei, xiaomi, redmi, etc.) are they linux/ubuntu friendly as thinkpads? | 11:50 |
| ravage1 | probably not. but it does not really matter which brand it is. you need to make sure the hardware is supported | 11:52 |
| pragmaticenigma | fweht: I would disable the "check for updates" if it was installed via snap. The maintainer should have disabled that but didn't. (Perhaps file a bug?) The application is checking Mozilla's update feed, and Firefox's direct release is 128.0.2. Released just this week. It takes time for the package maintainers to build out release packages, and so there will always be some delay in the latest version being pushed to snap, apt, and other | 11:52 |
| pragmaticenigma | package sources. | 11:52 |
| ravage1 | and the community that tinkers with thinkpads in linux is just bigger than on a no name device | 11:52 |
| fweht | pragmaticenigma: thank you, will do! | 11:52 |
| ravage1 | the snap has the update check disabled | 11:53 |
| fweht | pragmaticenigma: so when i download firefox directly, will i have a more recent version which updates itself? | 11:53 |
| fweht | ravage1: thanks! | 11:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | fweht: you will, but that isn't recommended for Ubuntu | 11:53 |
| ravage1 | the snap usually get updated in time | 11:53 |
| fweht | i see, i installed everything via snap so far (and apt get) | 11:53 |
| ravage1 | it is built directly by mozilla and pushed to the snap store | 11:54 |
| fweht | yes i read somewhere that mozilla prefers snap over apt | 11:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | fweht: best to stick with that plan, as that ensures all the software plays nicely with your system | 11:54 |
| ravage1 | there are some edge cases where the snap may not be perfect. for 99% of the users its just working fine | 11:54 |
| fweht | is flatpak better? | 11:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | fweht: Mozilla does not have any official preference | 11:55 |
| fweht | i think on xubuntu i have both options right? | 11:55 |
| ravage1 | that is not something we want to discuss here really | 11:55 |
| ravage1 | you may try #ubuntu-discuss but it is not even Ubuntu related really | 11:55 |
| fweht | i just use snap bc it has the official microsoft code insiders package that is all :D | 11:55 |
| fweht | i see | 11:56 |
| fweht | not trying to discuss | 11:56 |
| fweht | im happy with my setup | 11:56 |
| fweht | is this channel only about ubuntu or also about xubuntu and other flavours? | 11:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | fweht: Mozilla's KB spends equal time explaining all options for installing Firefox. They would prefer that users choose what works best for them based on their needs and the operating system they are using. | 11:56 |
| ravage1 | see topic | 11:56 |
| fweht | https://snapcraft.io/firefox hmmm but the snap version is 128.0.2 it seems? why cant i install it via snap? | 12:04 |
| fweht | ... https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hbv5kpYy/ | 12:05 |
| ravage1 | Make sure there is no Firefox process running | 12:06 |
| ravage1 | And then try the refresh command | 12:06 |
| fweht | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/t7aLDye9/ | 12:07 |
| ravage1 | https://p.haxxors.com/k37ow4m9.txt | 12:08 |
| pragmaticenigma | It might be set up as progressive release. It was released 3 days ago | 12:09 |
| fweht | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ibaOGEfX/ | 12:09 |
| fweht | pragmaticenigma: hmm ok will keep an eye on this, thanks! | 12:10 |
| ravage1 | that misses a lot of information | 12:10 |
| fweht | ravage1 you want to see the whole output? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/geSTNcCp/ | 12:11 |
| ravage1 | ok. the only real reason that is does not update should be a running process | 12:11 |
| ravage1 | try a reboot and the refresh command before you launch firefox | 12:12 |
| fweht | ok will do! | 12:12 |
| ioria | or --hold was set | 12:13 |
| ravage1 | i hope he would remember doing that | 12:13 |
| ravage1 | not sure where that would show up | 12:14 |
| ioria | snap refresh --unhold firefox | 12:14 |
| ravage1 | info would be a nice place for that too | 12:14 |
| fweht | ravage1: no success | 12:14 |
| fweht | i never set `--hold` but i tried `--unhold` nontheless | 12:15 |
| ioria | fweht, snap-store --quit && sudo snap refresh firefox | 12:16 |
| fweht | ioria: i dont have snap-store installed | 12:17 |
| fweht | should i? | 12:17 |
| ravage1 | journalctl --unit=snapd -f | 12:19 |
| ravage1 | and try the refresh in another terminal again | 12:19 |
| fweht | interesting, it doesnt mention firefox here! https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/B8qAFyda/ | 12:20 |
| fweht | but when i do `snap list` it mentions it | 12:20 |
| fweht | ah running apps sorry will close and do again | 12:20 |
| pragmaticenigma | that's a lot of pids opened for someone that just rebooted their machine | 12:21 |
| ioria | hehehhe | 12:21 |
| fweht | pragmaticenigma: is that bad? | 12:22 |
| pragmaticenigma | it means I have doubts you rebooted your machine, or you have something setup to launch firefox on login | 12:22 |
| fweht | ravage1: aah ok it updated itself in the background but not on reboot... weird | 12:22 |
| fweht | i use firefox to chat here | 12:22 |
| fweht | so ofc i restarted it after reboot? | 12:23 |
| ravage1 | well. like i said you need to quit all processes | 12:23 |
| fweht | ravage1: yes, but my point was, snap didnt do anything, only the version changed quitly but not after my `snap refresh` command | 12:23 |
| pragmaticenigma | it's not going to update if any firefox processes are running. guess you will have to leave the channel for a bit and do the refressh | 12:23 |
| ravage1 | there is a trigger | 12:23 |
| ioria | that applies also to the .deb ver, not only snap | 12:23 |
| ravage1 | as soon as you close the application it triggers the refresh | 12:24 |
| ravage1 | that has been added with one of the latest snapd updates | 12:24 |
| ravage1 | that is why you get that notification to close it | 12:24 |
| fweht | ravage1: aah ok! sorry for taking me so long to get it. but i think its weird that with snap list, it doesnt show something like "128 has already been downloaded and will be installed at next opportunity" | 12:24 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:25 |
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| pragmaticenigma | fweht: as someone that writes software and deals with updates... nothing worse than providing that information to users... makes for a nightmare scenario in support | 12:25 |
| fweht | pragmaticenigma: but do you think my pids are unusual for a reboot plus starting firefox and terminal? | 12:25 |
| fweht | i didnt start anything else | 12:26 |
| pragmaticenigma | fweht: no, as you were instructed several times though. You need to close all of your firefox windows before snap will do anything. | 12:26 |
| pragmaticenigma | at this point you are wasiting valuable time but continuing to converse, rather than try the steps and solutions provided to you | 12:27 |
| fweht | pragmaticenigma: that wasnt the point, i did this, i rebooted, opened the terminal, ran `snap refresh` and then opened firefox... before that i ran `killall firefox` | 12:27 |
| pragmaticenigma | fweht: snap refresh takes time... reboot, do the refresh and walk away for 30 minutes | 12:27 |
| fweht | aah ok! sorry i really didnt want to waste your time.. i was just confused because of the `all snaps up to date` message.. i really tried to follow all guidance given to me! | 12:28 |
| ravage1 | that message is totally confusing | 12:28 |
| ravage1 | it should show pending updates | 12:29 |
| oerheks | the interaction is clear, after snap refresh.. | 12:29 |
| ravage1 | also the message is just wrong | 12:30 |
| ravage1 | not all snaps are up to date | 12:30 |
| ravage1 | general reminder for the 128 release is to disable | 12:34 |
| * ravage1 uploaded an image: (17KiB) < https://xentonix.net/_matrix/media/v3/download/xentonix.net/kmSLvKkdhrWPiQYAYriZuwre/image.png > | 12:34 | |
| pragmaticenigma | The suggestion should be to read the support article pertaining to the feature and decide if you would like the feature enabled or disabled: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution | 12:38 |
| cerra_mauro | Hi all, I have a question related to Linux Mint, is that OK? | 13:11 |
| pragmaticenigma | !mint | cerra_mauro | 13:11 |
| ubottu | cerra_mauro: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official !flavors. Derivatives and other distributions use different software repositories and other software. Please use their dedicated support venues, such as: Linux Mint: #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org, Pop!_OS: https://support.system76.com/ , Kali Linux: #kali-linux on irc.oftc.net, LXLE: https://lxle.net/support-options/ | 13:11 |
| cerra_mauro | Yeah, I notice I don't connect there on the latest version of Mint. I wanted to know the URL and channel. Thanks ubottu ! | 13:14 |
| cerra_mauro | I got it, thanks and cheers | 13:15 |
| pragmaticenigma | cerra_mauro: perhaps submit a bug report to them too, let them know they should probably get that fixed. | 13:15 |
| zift | anyone still using ubuntu 20.04 ? | 13:22 |
| zphinx | at work yes | 13:22 |
| zphinx | even older releases due to engineerings needing it for backwards compability | 13:23 |
| zift | yeah unfortunately | 13:23 |
| zphinx | its how canonical makes the monies | 13:24 |
| lotuspsychje | !discuss | 13:24 |
| ubottu | Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! | 13:24 |
| zift | had to add the backports repo to it | 13:24 |
| zift | a channel for everything they have now don't they | 13:24 |
| zift | lotuspsychje: subtle | 13:24 |
| lotuspsychje | they do | 13:24 |
| zift | they're wrong | 13:25 |
| lotuspsychje | so please us them zift | 13:25 |
| lotuspsychje | use | 13:25 |
| lotuspsychje | this channel is for support only | 13:25 |
| zift | there're a channel for asking other people things | 13:25 |
| zphinx | lotuspsychje: i was assuming he was prefacing those questions with an actual support question | 13:25 |
| zift | zphinx: i was obviously | 13:26 |
| lotuspsychje | lets hear it then | 13:26 |
| zift | but i don't like you lotuspsychje | 13:26 |
| zphinx | zift: so whats the question? | 13:27 |
| zift | well i'm experiencing kernel panics after trying to implement custom BPF app | 13:29 |
| zift | maybe lotuspsychje can help | 13:29 |
| zift | my issue is with the kernel debugging, namely kgdb that behaves differently in 22.04 compared to 20.04 | 13:30 |
| zift | and i can't figure out why | 13:30 |
| zift | should i join #ubuntu-lotuspsychje for serious discussion? | 13:31 |
| zphinx | Are you running an LTS kernel? | 13:31 |
| zift | I am not... of course... | 13:32 |
| zphinx | whats the output of cat /proc/version_signature ? | 13:33 |
| zift | oh you're really trying to help? appreciate it, one moment | 13:34 |
| zphinx | yeah, never worked with BPF i day in my life, but if i can point you in the right direction, i would be glad to help | 13:35 |
| zift | not sure what this gives you, you want to see the custom kernel name | 13:35 |
| zift | ? | 13:35 |
| zphinx | yes | 13:35 |
| zift | it's based off 5.15.0-107 | 13:36 |
| zift | it's nongeneric of course... | 13:36 |
| zift | i don't think it's BPF related at all | 13:37 |
| zift | it's just what triggered the issue for me, | 13:37 |
| zphinx | when you're saying "based of" what do you mean? lowlatency version? zen? | 13:37 |
| zift | ah, no zen here :-) | 13:38 |
| zift | I wish | 13:38 |
| zphinx | got a "diff" with the 20.04 vs 22.04 kgdb outputs to pastebin? | 13:40 |
| zphinx | Also just so you know, these will be shots in the dark from my side, i suspect you're better of asking in an application specific channel if that exists ( probably not ) or a mailing list | 13:41 |
| zift | zphinx: i appreciate the input, i have a direction now though so i'm on it | 13:42 |
| zift | we'll see | 13:42 |
| zphinx | best of luck | 13:44 |
| zphinx | gbd output can be a b*tch to interpret. | 13:45 |
| zift | zphinx: indeed :-( | 13:46 |
| zift | thank the mighty gods for gpt though | 13:46 |
| zift | not the partition table one, the other one | 13:46 |
| Guest76 | hy | 14:12 |
| Guest76 | i am here | 14:26 |
| lotuspsychje | we see you Guest76 | 14:26 |
| Guest76 | my name is kendrick by the way | 14:26 |
| oerheks | yes, and you are again in the ubuntu support channel | 14:27 |
| Guest76 | ya | 14:27 |
| oerheks | !info vanilla-gnome-desktop noble | 14:36 |
| ubottu | vanilla-gnome-desktop (0.99, noble): Vanilla GNOME metapackage. In component universe, is optional. Built by ubuntu-gnome-meta. Size 5 kB / 9 kB. (Only available for amd64, armhf, arm64, ppc64el.) | 14:36 |
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| Guest76 | hy | 14:58 |
| Guest76 | hello | 15:01 |
| Guest76 | my name is kendrick by the way | 15:01 |
| zphinx | hi Kendrick, do you have a question? | 15:02 |
| mobal | how you doin Kendrick? | 15:02 |
| Guest76 | yes how is everyone here | 15:02 |
| Guest76 | im doing good | 15:02 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest76: kendrick... this is a support channel for people seeking assistnace with their Ubuntu computers. If you would like to chat with people, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic. You can join by typing in the message bar: /join #ubuntu-offtopic | 15:04 |
| zphinx | pragmaticenigma: what? no, thats for random ubuntu chat | 15:05 |
| Guest76 | ya | 15:05 |
| zphinx | and #ubuntu-offtopic is definitly not an assistance channel, might want to change your aliases | 15:06 |
| Guest76 | ok | 15:07 |
| zphinx | Guest76: i didnt mean you | 15:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | zphinx: I didn't say #ubuntu-offtopic was an assistance channel. you need to read more carefully. | 15:07 |
| Guest76 | oh ok | 15:07 |
| toddc | he has been kicked /banned warned from here yesterday | 15:08 |
| Guest76 | ya but i came back | 15:08 |
| oerheks | time to register your nickname join #libera for help | 15:09 |
| Guest76 | i cant go there | 15:09 |
| Guest76 | any more | 15:09 |
| oerheks | if you are banned by the libera help channel,what are you doing on this network? | 15:10 |
| oerheks | pleases keep this channel free for ubuntu support, not chitchat thanks | 15:10 |
| Guest76 | just talking to people | 15:10 |
| mdmbkr | is there some syntax I can use in fstab to tell unbuntu to keep booting normally if it can't mount a particular filesystem | 15:10 |
| zphinx | mdmbkr: no, you need to edit it specifically | 15:11 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest76: as you were told before, this not a place to just talk to people. This is a support channel. If you want to talk to people, you are welcome to join #ubuntu-offtopic | 15:11 |
| oerheks | mdmbkr, if there are issues with the filesystem, it might mount RO read only | 15:11 |
| oerheks | or not, depends on the issues | 15:12 |
| mdmbkr | sometimes one of my nvme devices doesn't show up on a cold boot, so the filesystem using it can't be mounted, and ubuntu halts and wants to drop to an emergency shell | 15:12 |
| zphinx | yeah, asking someone to mount whatever filesystems as RO seems like insanity | 15:12 |
| mdmbkr | there's no reason it should be a showstopper so I'd really prefer it to continue normally | 15:13 |
| pragmaticenigma | mdmbkr: there is the `nobootwait` option. | 15:13 |
| oerheks | if such nvme device does not get detected, reseat the drive? check for bios update? | 15:13 |
| oerheks | how would ubuntu force detection if your bios does not? | 15:14 |
| pragmaticenigma | mdmbkr: I would disable an BIOS fastboot options. Would also recommend replacing that drive as it appears it maybe failing. | 15:14 |
| pragmaticenigma | *any BIOS fastboot | 15:14 |
| mdmbkr | I think it's a bios issue? maybe? if I reboot and enter the bios all 4 nvme's will subsequently show up in ubuntu, but on a cold boot one of them does not | 15:14 |
| oerheks | maybe a power issue .. | 15:15 |
| mdmbkr | I'm not trying to troubleshoot that though. I mainly want the system to boot normally in the event that it can't mount all the filesystems listed in fstab | 15:15 |
| mdmbkr | looks like 'nofail' might work | 15:15 |
| mdmbkr | nothing about 'nobootwait' in the fstab man page | 15:16 |
| pragmaticenigma | mdmbkr: it is (or was) an Ubuntu only feature | 15:16 |
| pragmaticenigma | depending on your man page | 15:16 |
| pragmaticenigma | source | 15:16 |
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| pragmaticenigma | mdmbkr: either option, do note that anything writing to that path will write to the device that hosts the primary root of the file tree. So data written there will not go to the intended device and will disappear when the device is mounted | 15:18 |
| mdmbkr | thanks =) | 15:19 |
| pragmaticenigma | mdmbkr: ultimately though, the drive should be taken out of service as it either isn't compatible with your system or is showing sign of failing which would mean potential data loss | 15:19 |
| Guest76 | good source | 15:19 |
| Guest76 | there | 15:19 |
| Guest76 | for u guys | 15:19 |
| mdmbkr | I don't think it's a problem with the drive, but instead something bios-related with how it's doing bifurcation | 15:20 |
| oerheks | not enough juice ( read power) | 15:20 |
| mdmbkr | you guys seem really motivated to troubleshoot the drive.. there are 4 nvme's in the system, 3 are on an ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Gen5 carrier and the 4th is on the motherboard | 15:21 |
| mdmbkr | pretty sure the one on the mobo is the one that doesn't show on cold boot | 15:22 |
| pragmaticenigma | mdmbkr: that doesn't sound good. I wouldn't keep that bifurcation configuration going. At least not without some sort of data backup of the system | 15:22 |
| mdmbkr | it's not on the carrier because this bios doesn't do x4/x4/x4/x4, it only does x8/x4/x4 | 15:22 |
| mdmbkr | ah, so the no-show drive is on the carrier, and it's a WDS100T3X0C-00SJG0 | 15:23 |
| mdmbkr | on a warm boot it shows up (and subsequently works reliably for my use) | 15:24 |
| toddc | may not be related but I had a simular issue and added GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="ro=10 quiet" to /etc/default/grub/ that solved my drive mount issue | 15:25 |
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| Komu | mdmbkr: you can put 'noauto' in the 4th field in fstab? | 15:42 |
| pragmaticenigma | Komu: are you asking or making a suggestion? | 15:43 |
| Komu | pragmaticenigma: i'm asuming he allready did, and want to know what happened :D | 15:43 |
| oerheks | wait for the system to cool down. | 15:44 |
| pragmaticenigma | It's an interesting suggestion if it hasn't already been implemented | 15:46 |
| mdmbkr | it's not overheating, heh | 15:52 |
| Komu | mdmbkr: with 'noauto' in fstab the drive will not be mounted at boot time | 15:53 |
| mdmbkr | yessir, I went with nofail though because it is preferable for it to be mounted if possible | 15:54 |
| mdmbkr | smart-log says that nvme is 32c | 15:55 |
| Komu | mdmbkr: so with noauto what happens? is the drive mount able after the sys is up & running? | 15:58 |
| mdmbkr | with noauto I would expect it not to mount until I issue a mount command | 15:58 |
| mdmbkr | "do not mount when mount -a is given (e.g., at boot time)" | 15:59 |
| Komu | mdmbkr: yes | 15:59 |
| mdmbkr | oh I'm sorry I misread you .. what happens is one of the nvme's doesn't show up on a cold boot | 15:59 |
| Komu | mdmbkr: but it is the question, if some timing or starting is occurung, that prevent the drive to shop up in time to be mounted | 16:00 |
| mdmbkr | if you cold boot the system that nvme doesn't show in 'nvme list' | 16:00 |
| mdmbkr | if you then type 'reboot', the drive shows up | 16:00 |
| Komu | mdmbkr: and it worked till when? | 16:02 |
| toddc | that is why I added the delay in grub so that it had time to find the drives | 16:02 |
| Komu | toddc: yea that's a nice work around with the grub kernel cmd-line ro=10 quiet | 16:03 |
| Komu | mdmbkr: i would check the logs, about the device that nvme is connected with, and compare cold and warm boot, then i would play with bios settings about 'hotplug' and boot order | 16:07 |
| lotuspsychje | mdmbkr: sharing your ubuntu release, dmesg would also be handy in your case | 16:21 |
| enigma9o7 | Hi I'm having problem with Frozen-Bubble. When I select net game, it says it is unable to download server list from master server, to verify network setup or retry later. I've actually tried both, and it still gives me that message. | 16:56 |
| mdmbkr | 22.04.4 LTS | 16:56 |
| mdmbkr | looking at dmesg, the nvme isn’t being enumerated on the pcie bus, there’s no error or anything it’s just absent | 17:00 |
| lotuspsychje | mdmbkr: can you share it in a !paste please? | 17:01 |
| lotuspsychje | enigma9o7: i can reproduce that, net game gives the error you mention | 17:02 |
| lotuspsychje | enigma9o7: starting it from terminal gives more usefull errors | 17:03 |
| mdmbkr | pastebin ok? | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | sure mdmbkr | 17:04 |
| lotuspsychje | enigma9o7: https://dpaste.org/aCZxd | 17:04 |
| lotuspsychje | enigma9o7: if you file a bug, ill confirm/affect it : ) | 17:05 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | how does xrandr work? if i set a display mode using xrandr, is that persisted anywhere? | 17:37 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | if i have `xrandr --output "$NAME" --mode "${W}x${H}" --rate "$F" --fb "${W}x${H}"`, shouldn't that guarantee the screen's dimensions are the same as the display dimensions? | 17:38 |
| pragmaticenigma | xrandr is not persisted | 17:38 |
| UbuntuUser232323 | This might be a stupid question but is the latest ubuntu LTS release 'ready' to be used as a VPS that faces the public internet? | 17:39 |
| oerheks | one could set them in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ folder? | 17:39 |
| pragmaticenigma | If the mode sets are known they could be set there | 17:40 |
| pragmaticenigma | this is all assuming the machine is running xserver to begin with | 17:40 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | oerheks: oh thank you. TIL there's a /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ with a bunch of stuff in it | 17:40 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | so yea i'm trying to do a very minimal setup where tty1 does autologin on getty and then startx | 17:41 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | and there's no desktop env, no wm.. | 17:41 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | ~/.xsession just does xrandr to set 4k and starts firefox or chrome, uses xdotool to send f11 to fullscreen it, then clicks on something. | 17:42 |
| oerheks | so no X11 running ..? | 17:42 |
| pragmaticenigma | UbuntuUser232323: Many sysadmins prefer to wait until the first point release of an LTS release, as that coincides with the release of inplace upgrades for existing LTS installs. | 17:42 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | xorg is installed. | 17:42 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | and ~/.bashrc has startx | 17:42 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | (this box has no keyboard/mouse, i just want it to load a webpage and click on the 'fullscreen video' button. having my previously-headless server display some security camera feeds. | 17:43 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | trying to understand where the issue is. | 17:44 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i feel like there's a disconnect between the screen dimensions and the display dimensions, or that different x software has different ways of determining screen size... | 17:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | NoImNotNineVolt: without a description of what you're presently experiencing it's hard to know what help to provide. | 17:46 |
| oerheks | if your screen does not get the right dimensions, wonky EDID or cable | 17:48 |
| mdmbkr | I'll share a pastebin with the two dmesg's in a little while when I have more free time =) | 18:05 |
| pragmaticenigma | mdmbkr: just a heads up that those that have been helping you will probably be dropping off for the day soon. | 18:07 |
| alazy | I'm having trouble getting netconsole to work from kernel boot parameters. Running "modprobe netconsole=+6666@192.168.74.2/enp1s0f1,6666@192.168.74.1/b8:27:eb:9a:a7:0a" works just fine; syslog-ng picks it up on the other device. However, putting that into the linux boot parameters command line (without the modprobe of course) does not work; I get unknown kernel command line parameters in dmesg. | 18:52 |
| pragmaticenigma | alazy: Please do not cross post. Stick to one channel and wait for help. If someone understands your question they will answer. It becomes very difficult to help someone that is receiving information from multiple sources, which may conflict with the advice given. | 18:54 |
| Komu | alazy: i guess u didn't build your kernel yourself? did u added the module to /boot/ ? | 19:06 |
| Komu | alazy: sorry the module-name should be added to /etc/modules | 19:10 |
| Komu | alazy: check this anser: https://askubuntu.com/questions/299676/how-to-install-3rd-party-module-so-that-it-is-loaded-on-boot test with lsmod if netconsole is active | 19:11 |
| topcat001 | I think also in case of kernel cmdline activation, the network needs to be up already. Something like `ip=dhcp` on the kernel cmdline. | 19:13 |
| topcat001 | if the interface is not up and running by the time netconsole is initialised, it will not work | 19:14 |
| alazy | Komu: no, it's 6.8.0-36-generic from 24.04. I hadn't done anything special about the netconsole module. grep netconsole < /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.builtin returns nothing, nor for /etc/modules. | 19:15 |
| alazy | I'm still not sure how to manage modules. I can add netconsole to /etc/modules, but is adding something to /etc/modprobe.d the proper way to do it? Would adding my NIC drivers (e1000e & igb) help too? If the objective is to get messages as early as possible, should I add netconsole and the NIC drivers to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ? | 19:20 |
| alazy | Generally, should modules added to initramfs also appear in /etc/modules (or /etc/modprobe.d/ ?) or would that be redundant/harmful? | 19:22 |
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| pragmaticenigma | ideally, I think they should go in the *.d folder | 19:23 |
| pragmaticenigma | assuming we're talking kernel modules, not other modules to be started at boot | 19:25 |
| Komu | 19:28 | |
| Komu | brb | 19:28 |
| alazy | pragmaticenigma: Just echo netconsole > modprobe.d/netconsole.conf ? I'm a bit confused about the syntax. Just write the module name, and then if it has options/arguments, write options my_module_name my_option ? | 19:29 |
| alazy | ... on the next line. | 19:30 |
| pragmaticenigma | alazy: I'm uncertain what exactly you're trying to do. My comment was based on that rarely should anything go into a standalone configuration file anymore. if there are *.d folders, you should add a new conf file there to activate what it is you're working on. This is from a more universal perspective, not just kernel | 19:33 |
| pragmaticenigma | the intent is avoid the maintainers of the operating system from sending out new changes that conflict or overright custom system configurations during updates. | 19:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | *overwrite | 19:34 |
| Komu | alazy: afaik u add it to /etc/modules or as a file in dir ...modules.d/* and then run update-initramfs -k all # this is for all kernels in /boot/ then update-grup then u go | 19:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | Komu: isn't it modules-load.d ? | 19:36 |
| Komu | alazy: it is very very good to look 1st in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/ | 19:37 |
| Komu | alazy: there is often a README or a short gz that has helpfull describtion to debian/ubuntu usage | 19:38 |
| alazy | Maybe it's starting to make sense... I don't need to add the module to modprobd.d/netconsole because that's just where options to modify the behaviour of 'modprobe <my_module> go. As I said, netconsole works fine if I modprobe it after I boot. | 19:53 |
| ioria | alazy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Netconsole#Step_3:_Initialize_netconsole_at_boot_time | 19:54 |
| alazy | What's weird is that the same string that runs netconsole from my shell isn't recognized as a valid kernel parameters when supplied in the linux boot command. | 19:55 |
| ioria | maybe not every module can be set as a kernel boot param | 19:56 |
| alazy | ioria: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt should be authoritative, and it presents this example: linux netconsole=4444@10.0.0.1/eth1,9353@10.0.0.2/12:34:45:57:9a:bc | 19:58 |
| alazy | Do I maybe need to add netconsole to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ? | 20:00 |
| Komu | alazy: can u check with lsmod |grep netconsole if it's loaded? | 20:01 |
| Komu | alazy: afaik u only need to update-initramfs -k all to update all images and update-grub to update all grub files after changing with modules + kernel parameter | 20:02 |
| ioria | alazy, i don't think netconsole can be set as a kern param | 20:03 |
| alazy | If I modprobe netconsole it works, and while it is working of course lsmod | grep netconsole works. I'm trying to understand why setting it as a kernel parameter doesn't work, and I'm not famliar enough with the syntax to catch what might be an obvious error. | 20:05 |
| Komu | alazy: ok, i installed it to, 1st is lsmod working WITHOUT modprobe netconsole? | 20:10 |
| Komu | alazy: what do u want to do overall????? | 20:11 |
| Komu | alazy: 1st descibe what problem u want to solve with netconsole | 20:11 |
| alazy | If I haven't run modprobe netconsole="<src_port...", then no, lsmod shows it is not loaded. | 20:12 |
| pragmaticenigma | alazy: I think you need to explain what you are trying to do as Komu mentioned. This feels like an experiment rather than something productive | 20:13 |
| pragmaticenigma | Concerning is that kernel modules run in ring 0, attaching that to a network accessable port seems rather foolish and a great way to compromise a system for the benefit of what ? | 20:14 |
| alazy | Komu: A system wouldn't finish booting properly so I thought I might see what's wrong by getting kernel messages over my network, but I'd have to set netconsole to run via a kernel parameter because of course I can't boot to my shell. | 20:14 |
| Komu | alazy: 1st u check if recovery mod is working, 2nd: ename console output *no splash screen* while booting to see what is happening at boot time | 20:17 |
| alazy | The documentation at kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt and a few other articles suggested this was exactly why netconsole exists. It loads immediately after the NICs are up and starts printing. But I just now noticed a caveat I overlooked - the documentation says it does that if its built-in. I thought it could be loaded as a module. | 20:18 |
| alazy | Komu: I could boot with no trouble into single user mode. The text flew by way too fast with normal parameters and the kernel panicked, but I coudln't see the potentially interesting lines further up. | 20:19 |
| Komu | alazy: afaik it should be possible to put the loading into the initramfs startup and then have netconsole from there on | 20:25 |
| Komu | brb reboot | 20:25 |
| Komu | dude i have to connect ethernet cable here and diving under the table 1st | 20:28 |
| alazy | Komu: yes, but I'd still have to configure /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d as per ioria's link. I guess adding netconsole to initramfs would allow it to load earlier than if it were just specified in /etc/modules, but I guess still not quite as early as if it were builtdin. And putting the netconsole=<src... string on the linux boot command line just doesn't work unless it is built in. ? | 20:30 |
| pragmaticenigma | so question alazy ... for all the time trying to figure out netconsole... is the broken machine just stuck there and could have been fixed in this time? | 20:31 |
| alazy | It's a little less broken. Some guesswork and experimenting let me boot into normal user mode with nomodesetting. But it was reasonable to think that learning how to get logs from a borked system could save time vs blind futzing around. | 20:35 |
| alazy | I'm now trying to figure out why my mouse cursor is invisible with nvidia 560 + regolith desktop sway | 20:40 |
| Komu | alazy: ok, i was going after the docu from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Netconsole#Grub_2_instructions | 20:41 |
| Komu | after update-grub and reboot i have netconsole loaded | 20:42 |
| Komu | alazy: now i set up a reciver side to see what is coming in.... | 20:42 |
| alazy | Komu: Did you put netconsole into initramfs-tools/modules? Your ethernet driver too? | 20:44 |
| Komu | alazy: afaik the initram is getting fs, then modules in root-mount then the net etc up and running | 20:46 |
| Komu | alazy: how do i generate kernel printk?? | 20:47 |
| alazy | echo "Hello" > /dev/kmesg | 20:47 |
| Komu | alazy: lol it works | 20:47 |
| Komu | alazy: didn't checked the reboot boot log for now | 20:47 |
| Komu | alazy: hm strange i got a msg as i put in usb-mic but nothing as i pull out /in mouse | 20:50 |
| Komu | alazy: also nothing with echo ... >/dev/kmesg | 20:50 |
| Komu | alazy: i forgot a kernel parameter so not all logleves get send.. i reboot now | 20:55 |
| ravage1 | enigma9o7: would be be okay with testing a snao build of that game? fixed server URLs and added IPv6 and SSL support for that | 21:00 |
| alazy | Gotta go, but thanks for helping me think through why it wasn't working. | 21:03 |
| Komu | alazy: hm, i did get some msgs but not sure how early in the boot process they come, but u can start in single user, bring network on, then u can also use netconsole-setup to config this module | 21:03 |
| Komu | alazy: after configuring this, u can start multiuser and u should have ur log | 21:04 |
| Komu | alazy: no need to build it in kernel ... as u can reach single user and start it from there | 21:04 |
| Komu | brb | 21:05 |
| alazy | Komu: but adding to initramfs would allow it to start logging earlier, earlier still building into kernel, in case the error is early in the boot process? | 21:08 |
| enigma9o7 | ravage1: I guess you're asking if I can test a snap version? Cuz dunno what snao is :) | 21:10 |
| enigma9o7 | But yeah I certainly could, although ideally if you are doing this you would get it upstream as far as possible too like to debian/ubuntu so that other people I wanna play against get it :) | 21:10 |
| ravage1 | yes snap sorry | 21:11 |
| ravage1 | i have to wait to get the store name registered | 21:11 |
| ravage1 | in case anyone wants to try it: https://p.haxxors.com/x0e5qqj2.snap | 21:12 |
| ravage1 | sudo snap install --dangerous x0e5qqj2.snap | 21:12 |
| ravage1 | i guess would help to uninstall the deb version first | 21:12 |
| ravage1 | the game is frouen bubble 🙂 | 21:13 |
| Komu | alazy: i know i have mey ethernet managed by networkmanager it comes up very last, that's b/c i had a problem with a timeout of like serval minutes if no eth-connecting is on, and after that i had a to put ethernet as last and slow on as possible .... | 21:14 |
| enigma9o7 | ravage1: ok downloading now, will confirm shortly | 21:21 |
| ravage1 | thx 🙂 | 21:22 |
| enigma9o7 | @ravage1 it does seem to be working, although nobody on the servers to play against, there are two coming up | 21:33 |
| enigma9o7 | fance and germany | 21:35 |
| ravage1 | ah you see both | 21:35 |
| ravage1 | let my join my german server then | 21:35 |
| ravage1 | had to do some DNS adjustments. so if you cant join we can try the french one | 21:36 |
| Guest9595 | hello! I have been trying to get a pipewire (pulseaudio sink) to work for a bit on ubuntu 24.04 unsuccessfully, after having installed pipewire-audio-client-libraries. has anybody had any better luck with that? | 21:52 |
| Guest9595 | avahi-discover seems to show the sink itself | 21:52 |
| bprompt | Guest9595: not running pipewire yet, so | 21:58 |
| bondking | Trying to connect some bluetooth headphones but they won't show up when I click search in Bluetooth Adapters | 22:00 |
| bondking | Yes they are in pairing mode | 22:00 |
| jeremy31 | bondking: what bluetooth adapter? Does it detect anything? | 22:09 |
| bondking | idk, I turned Bluetooth off and turned it back on then it worked | 22:10 |
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| bondking | Now I'm trying to get spotify but aparently apt doesn't have it | 22:10 |
| Guest9595 | bprompt: ? | 22:10 |
| bondking | Seems like there are many packages apt doesn't have | 22:11 |
| enigma9o7 | apt only has access to the packages in the repositories definedin your sources.list | 22:11 |
| enigma9o7 | and spotify is some kinda propreitary tihng so even if it was in an ubuntu repo, it'd be in the restricted section | 22:12 |
| xangua | bondking: did you try first to: apt update (?) | 22:12 |
| bondking | I just did update/upgrade like 5 min ago | 22:12 |
| xangua | and? | 22:13 |
| bondking | I never had spotify so I still don't have it | 22:13 |
| bondking | or do you mean bluetooth? | 22:13 |
| bondking | If bluetooth, I update/upgrade'd around the same time I turned bluetooth off/on. so one of those things fixed it. | 22:14 |
| xangua | for spotify I think you need to run: sudo snap install spotify | 22:14 |
| xangua | bondking: ubuntu uses snaps now, remember? | 22:14 |
| bondking | I would rather chew on broken glass than install a snap | 22:14 |
| bondking | Worst decision Ubuntu ever made, though there have been many. | 22:15 |
| enigma9o7 | Well spotify is also on flathub if you prefer. | 22:16 |
| enigma9o7 | But in either case, its not in ubuntu's apt repository. | 22:16 |
| isaac_ | hola amigos | 22:17 |
| isaac_ | espero que esten bien :) | 22:17 |
| ravage1 | !es | isaac_ | 22:18 |
| ubottu | isaac_: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. | 22:18 |
| bondking | There must be a way to add spotify repo | 22:21 |
| bondking | echo "deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/spotify.list | 22:21 |
| bondking | for example but after apt upgrade it still shows no spotify-client in apt | 22:21 |
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| xangua | did you add the key? https://www.spotify.com/es/download/linux/ | 22:22 |
| bondking | I had some trouble there. Let me try again. That is a very helpful link. | 22:24 |
| bondking | ok looks like that did it | 22:25 |
| bondking | thanks bro | 22:25 |
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