[03:41] <lotuspsychj3> good morning
[03:58] <marcoagpinto> morning!
[03:58] <marcoagpinto> it is tomorrow!!!!
[03:58] <marcoagpinto> 24.04.1
[04:00] <Bashing-om> marcoagpinto: :( No - .1 delayed to the 29th. 
[04:01] <marcoagpinto> what?
[04:01] <marcoagpinto> :((((((((((
[04:04] <Bashing-om> Uh Huh - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2024-August/043079.html .
[15:45] <JanC> that's... inconvenient
[15:58] <lotuspsychj3> JanC: the .1 delay?
[15:58] <JanC> yes
[15:58] <lotuspsychj3> i just hope they fix my gtk bug
[15:59] <lotuspsychj3> bug #2064177
[15:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Bug 2064177 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Window borders and shadows missing from GTK3 dialogs (if autologin is enabled and Xorg is used)" [Medium, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2064177
[16:03] <ravage> Does not seem related to the delay at all 
[16:03] <ravage> +be
[16:04] <JanC> my main problem is family with an Outlook.com account used with IMAP, which will stop working with the Evolution version in 22.04 in September (they use a semi-proprietary authentication method now), and I hoped I would be able to do an "official" upgrade to 24.04 before then
[16:04] <ravage> Urgs
[16:04] <JanC> 29th release won't give me much time for that  :)
[16:05] <lotuspsychj3> ravage: if they dont fix that on .1 we gonna get tons of autologin users asking about it
[16:05] <ravage> I use davmail to connect to O365 or currently more O363 
[16:05] <JanC> I'd prefer to keep things as simple as possible
[16:06] <ravage> It's pretty simple. You run the service and just use any imap compatible client
[16:07] <ravage> And just don't think about it being stupid anymore 
[16:07] <JanC> and AFAIK recent Evolution supports IMAP with the new authentication (haven't tested it yet)
[16:08] <JanC> I'm sure DavMail actually already uses the new authentication   :)
[16:10] <pragmaticenigma> I think the "new" authentication is OAuth based... I have no issues with Thunderbird accessing my Outlook.com/hotmail.com addresses
[16:11] <JanC> OAuth2, not OAuth
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> just don't start with that
[16:11] <JanC> and Thunderbird gets updated, I suppose...
[16:12] <JanC> while updating Evolution is hard because it's tied into EDS, and EDS is tied into the desktop in various ways   :-/
[16:15] <JanC> and people don't like to change their mail client...
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> indeed they don't
[16:17] <JanC> would be nice if EDS/Evolution upstream could somehow disentangle those a bit more
[16:17] <JanC> and/or maybe do the protocols more like plugins that can be updated independently or something
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> protocols as plugins, this is the way