[01:23] <Unit193> knome: Were you going to shut down dev.xubuntu?  If not, it's about time to update it I believe.
[07:04] <knome> Unit193, totally not ready for that yet, but yes, it should be dropped at one point.
[07:05] <knome> bluesabre, not this time, but thanks for the offer :)
[07:08] <Unit193> :3
[07:12] <knome> why am i missing the preferred applications GUI?
[07:16] <Unit193> You removed it.
[07:17] <knome> NOOOO
[07:17] <knome> it was apparently removed in upgrade
[07:18] <knome> what do i need to install to get it back? it's not clear to me..
[07:26] <Unit193> xfce4-settings?
[09:18] <knome> no?
[09:19] <knome> i mean i have the settings dialog, but not the preferred applications icon?
[09:19] <knome> xfce4-settings is already the newest version (4.18.4-0ubuntu3).
[09:21] <knome> https://imgur.com/plmwKoz
[09:25] <Unit193> `xfce4-mime-settings` / Default Applications is maybe not what you mean, I guess.
[09:25] <knome> E: Unable to locate package xfce4-mime-settings
[09:25] <knome> ?
[09:26] <Unit193> Binary, not package.
[09:32] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/sstmp/2c03d62a-7422-41ba-8a0e-eff8bc8642f0.png ?
[09:33] <knome> hmm, right.
[09:34] <knome> that is indeed not "default applications"
[09:34] <knome> what's the binary that is run when you open that?
[09:35] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/sstmp/db44919a-3a70-4402-ba0a-203d8d12d8ce.png is xfce4-mime-settings
[09:35] <Unit193> From xfce4-settings
[09:35] <knome> ...seriously?
[09:36] <knome> https://imgur.com/XpnyAOL.png
[09:36] <knome> clearly it's this!
[09:36] <Unit193> Yes?   Noteworthy to mention I'm on xfce 4.19, but I don't remember packaging differently.
[09:36] <knome> i wonder if i have a custom .desktop file somewhere?
[09:37] <knome> i remember *maybe* adding something for the mime type editor
[09:37] <Unit193> Hidden in ~/.local/share/applications/
[09:37] <knome> yes, just checking
[09:39] <knome> might be worth noting that the original issue is "Failed to execute default web browser. input/output error", exo-open tries to open the firefox snap but i have removed that and installed a deb.
[09:40] <Unit193> Is your PATH still mangled?  I have no idea about purging snaps, I've never allowed one onto my system.
[09:40] <Unit193> But yeah rg in ~/.config and ~/.local time.
[09:44] <knome> i do still have /snap/bin in PATH
[09:45] <knome> and i do still have snap installed, as i'm not completely (yet) opposed to snaps, i just don't want firefox or thunderbird to be snaps
[09:45] <knome> (the firefox snap package is not installed)
[09:49] <Unit193> Hence the grep
[09:49] <knome> grep?
[09:51] <knome> my ~/.local/share/applications is fine, nothing there
[09:51] <Unit193> \o/
[09:51] <knome> and by nothing i mean nothing sus
[09:51] <Unit193> knome: FWIW, after some things get removed, simple method to check what was removed is installing xubuntu-core^  to see what it'd pull in.
[09:53] <knome> reinstalling that; nothing i specifically miss, but i don't mind those
[09:53] <knome> well except maybe cups :P
[09:53] <knome> but does not fix
[09:54] <Unit193> I don't know where your Preferred Apps went. :o
[09:55] <knome> yeah me neither.
[09:57] <Unit193> https://sources.debian.org/src/xfce4-settings/4.18.6-2/dialogs/mime-settings/xfce-mime-helper-launcher-dialog.c/?hl=111
[09:58] <knome> ehmm,
[09:59] <knome> i wonder if i have a weird xfce4-settings version then
[09:59] <knome>   Installed: 4.18.4-0ubuntu3
[10:05] <Unit193> And to answer the other question, `rg` is ripgrep, a Rust grep which is fast.
[10:05] <knome> ahha
[10:05] <knome> so what would i grep?
[10:07] <Unit193> First off, update-alternatives --get-selections | grep browser
[10:08] <knome> well, it doesn't even include any firefox
[10:08] <knome> (:
[10:08] <Unit193> In ~/.local/share/xfce4/helpers/ you should also maybe find custom stuff.
[10:08] <Unit193> Well, that seems bad!
[10:08] <knome> yes...
[10:08] <Unit193> gnome-browser and x-www-browser should exist.
[10:08] <knome> yes... they point to brave browser, which i have installed at some point
[10:09] <knome> reinstalling firefox.
[10:09] <Unit193> unit193@Sierra:~/.local$  update-alternatives --get-selections | grep browser
[10:09] <Unit193> gnome-www-browser              auto     /usr/bin/unit193-browser
[10:09] <Unit193> x-www-browser                  auto     /usr/bin/xombrero
[10:09] <knome> dpkg: warning: downgrading firefox from 129.0.1+build1-0ubuntu0.24.04.1~mt1 to 129.0.1~build1
[10:09] <knome> but is likely a non-issue
[10:10] <Unit193> ~mt1 suggests it comes from some interesting place...  My custom-WebBrowser.desktop has unit193-browser of course.
[10:10] <knome> (:
[10:13] <knome> ~$ update-alternatives --display x-www-browser
[10:13] <knome> x-www-browser - auto mode link best version is /usr/bin/brave-browser-beta link currently points to /usr/bin/brave-browser-beta link x-www-browser is /usr/bin/x-www-browser
[10:13] <knome> /usr/bin/brave-browser-beta - priority 151
[10:13] <knome> /usr/bin/firefox - priority 40
[10:13] <knome> /usr/bin/google-chrome-beta - priority 150
[10:13] <Unit193> How brave of you.
[10:14] <knome> but why are the priorities so stoooopid
[10:15] <Unit193> I suspect because firefox follows the Debian recommendations while google and brave just want to be highest.
[10:15] <knome> *facepalm*
[10:15] <knome> idjits!
[10:15] <Unit193> Google chrome will also re-add their apt repo on package update.
[10:16] <Unit193> `inxi -r`~
[10:16] <knome> ~$ sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-www-browser x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox 1000
[10:17] <knome> ..failed to open
[10:18] <Unit193> Did you look in ~/.local/share/xfce4/helpers/, btw?
[10:18] <knome> not yet.
[10:19] <knome> ok yes, there's a firefox_firefox.desktop file with snap stuff
[10:19] <knome> just remove that?
[10:19] <Unit193> Sure.
[10:20] <knome> fancy.
[10:20] <knome> that works, i was even asked to select default browser
[10:20] <knome> i closed the dialog.
[10:20] <knome> :D
[10:20] <knome> but next time it chose firefox automatically.
[10:20] <knome> but still no preferred applications icon
[10:24] <Unit193> I would suspect something in ~/.local/
[10:29] <knome> i have some memory traces of wanting to show/hide something in the settings manager dialog, but i can't find anything except ~/.local/share/applications/software-properties-gtk.desktop that explicitly adds this
[10:30] <knome> but, you clearly have it as well, so this leads me to think my settings manager is somehow either broken or altered.
[10:30] <knome> well.
[10:30] <knome> xfce4-settings-manager 4.13.5git-d7b51846 (Xfce 4.18)
[10:31] <knome> hello?
[10:31] <knome> :D
[10:32] <knome> but it's the same after remove/install
[10:33] <knome> how come you have color profiles under hardware, and me under system?
[10:34] <knome> you have time and date, i don't
[10:34] <knome> you also have users and groups, me not
[10:35] <Unit193> gnome-system-tools is installed for the latter two, newer Xfce for the former.
[10:35] <knome> okay, fair enough
[10:36] <knome> would gnome-system-tools bring in the default applications picker as well?
[10:36] <knome> gnome-system-tools is already the newest version (3.0.0-9.1ubuntu4).
[10:37] <knome> so again i'm thinking i might have a weird settings conf somewhere, i remember testing some version
[10:38] <Unit193> Find the rouge xfce-settings-manager.menu
[10:38] <knome> purged and reinstalled, still the same
[10:38] <Unit193> /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-settings-manager.menu, /etc/xdg/xdg-xebian/menus/xfce-settings-manager.menu should exist, but you may have one elsewhere.
[10:39] <knome> i have one in /usr/local
[10:39] <Unit193> diff? :P
[10:40] <knome> well i removed it and it looks the same
[10:40] <knome> i'll diff, just a sec...
[10:41] <knome> it's the same as the first one
[10:42] <knome> but different to the xdg-xubuntu one
[10:43] <knome> ..which is from 2020
[10:43] <knome> normal or nah?
[10:44] <Unit193> Should be when xubuntu-default-settings is from, so sure.
[10:45] <knome> not normal?
[10:45] <Unit193> I'd think normal, but you can  `debsums -ac xubuntu-default-settings` if you're concerned.
[10:46] <knome> reinstalled, looks the same
[10:46] <Unit193> You *do* have to remember that I'm on Debian, but I've set mine up to mimic Xubuntu.
[10:46] <Unit193> Does the settings menu in whisker have different stuff, btw?
[10:47] <knome> i mean if the switch didn't include that much work, i'd likely just hop to debian.
[10:47] <knome> i don't use whisker
[10:47] <knome> but it does open the same dialog when trying
[10:48] <Unit193> I upgraded directly, the installation media for this system is: Xubuntu 13.04 "Raring Ringtail" - Release i386 (20130423.1)   :D
[10:48] <knome> directly to debian?
[10:48] <Unit193> There should be a settings submenu with the same stuff, not an option for Settings Manager.
[10:48] <Unit193> Yeah, because I'm not right in the head.
[10:49] <knome> well i've at least broken my apps menu for sure, there isn't a settings submenu :P
[10:50] <Unit193> Unless xfce-applications.menu excludes that by default.
[10:51] <knome> there is no default apps thing even without the custom app menu
[10:52] <Unit193> It should just be xfce4-mime-settings, wherever that is.  xfce4-mime-settings.desktop:Exec=xfce4-mime-settings is what I have, but I guess you could check the other desktop files or binaries in dpkg -L xfce4-settings.
[10:53] <Unit193> X-XFCE-SettingsDialog;X-XFCE-SystemSettings  I think that's how it works, but X-XfcePluggable=true is how it gets embedded.
[10:56] <knome> meh.
[10:56] <knome> /usr/local/share/applications/xfce4-mime-settings.desktop  and  /usr/share/applications/xfce4-mime-settings.desktop  are different, but not the executable field or anything like that
[10:57] <knome> former says Name=MIME Type Editor, latter Name=Default Applications
[10:57] <knome> (which looks like yours)
[10:58] <Unit193> I think your /usr/local/ is killing you. :P
[10:58] <knome> how do i make it not kill me? :P
[10:58] <Unit193> rm -rf! :P
[10:58] <knome> i mean i have nothing against this in theory, but what inside there?
[10:58] <Unit193> (Don't do that, no idea what else is in there.)
[10:59] <knome> i have xfce4-* stuff from 2019 in there, which looks sus
[10:59] <knome> in /usr/local/bin
[10:59] <Unit193> /usr/local isn't going to be shipped by packages, it's stuff you installed via `make install` or other means.
[10:59] <Unit193> xfce4-settings-manager 4.13.5git-d7b51846  makes me think xfce4-settings is one of them.
[10:59] <knome> yes, unfortunately this sounds like testing settings manager...
[11:00] <knome> me too.
[11:00] <knome> so how does one remove this nicely?
[11:00] <knome> do i need the original sources?
[11:00] <Unit193> Surgery.
[11:00] <knome> and make uninstall
[11:00] <Unit193> Might work, yeah.
[11:00] <knome> i mean the commit has is right there.
[11:01] <Unit193> find /usr/local/ -type f  might be interesting.
[11:02] <knome> if i remove everything related to xfce4 there, this should be fixed, right?
[11:02] <Unit193> I'd run debsums afterwards to ensure nothing was overwritten, but yeah?
[11:02] <knome> i mean i don't have a huge bunch of stuff there anyway, and of the things nothing is essential
[11:06] <Unit193> Too bad I never finished my system cleaning guide...
[11:06] <Unit193> Did it blow up?
[11:07] <knome> not finished removing stuff yet