[00:42] <JoeBk> BarnabasDK: thanks, I figured it out.
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[01:35] <oerheks>  יום אחד
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[03:03] <rana-muhammad-fa> hello
[03:04] <oerheks> .
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[04:10] <mozzy3711> Anyone have a clue why my windows install disappeared and grub didn’t install automatically when I installed Ubuntu? I thought that it did. I partitioned the drive myself so I know windows is still there. But even my BIOS boot selection screen doesn’t have Windows as an option. Once I was able to us
[04:10] <mozzy3711> e Grub Customizer to add it back but can’t remember how to do it. I believe they were both UEFI installs. It was a fresh windows 10 install, rebooted a couple times, then installed Ubuntu (latest LTS). Genuinely confused.
[04:11] <enigma9o7> enable os prober to add windows to grub menu
[04:11] <enigma9o7> assuming you managed to get grub installed later
[04:11] <enigma9o7> as to why grub didnt install automatically perhaps you selected the wrong drive
[04:13] <mozzy3711> Only one drive in play. But I haven’t messed with OS prober before so I will do some research on that -  that’s why I love Linux there’s always something out there.
[04:13] <enigma9o7> edit /etc/default/grub and set OS_PROBER=true iirc, then sudo update-grub
[04:14] <enigma9o7> it should tell you right then if it finds windows
[04:14] <mozzy3711> Oh yeah it looks like it was but off between the last time I installed a release. Huh. That makes total sense
[04:22] <mozzy3711> Hmm. Looks like it didn’t find Windows but let me try an actual boot to see what shows up
[04:24] <mozzy3711> Well dang now grub doesn’t even show up lol. Just boots me right into Ubuntu
[04:25] <mozzy3711> Hold…right shift at boot?
[04:26] <Bashing-om> mozzy3711: UEFI is escape that grub looks for - spam - very narrow window :D
[04:26] <mozzy3711> Oh I can spam it hard
[04:28] <mozzy3711> Yep. Weird. No windows.
[04:28] <mozzy3711> Ubuntu and memtest. Hmm.
[04:32] <mozzy3711> This is a first for me. May just have to make a windows recovery USB from my server and start over from there. I’m certain it’s a problem between the keyboard and the back of the chair
[04:33] <mozzy3711> Thankfully it’s just my gaming machine so not a huge stressor
[04:44] <Bashing-om> mozzy3711: [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "EFI boot on HDD" || echo "Legacy boot on HDD" - says what ?
[04:45] <mozzy3711> Legacy boot on HDD is the response
[04:46] <mozzy3711> @bashing-om: sorry thought I’d @ you
[04:47] <mozzy3711> Bashing-om:
[04:47] <mozzy3711> There we go sorry, IRC on iOS is totally new for me
[04:47] <mozzy3711> Bring me back to the days of mIRC lol
[04:54] <Bashing-om> mozzy3711: While UEFI can pick up legacy - the reverse is not true - were me I would reinstall buntu *in* efi mode - beyond my experience to tell how to change the install over to UEFI from a lragacy install.
[04:55] <Bashing-om> legacy*
[04:55] <mozzy3711> Understood. No clue how to install it in EFI mode but I bet Google knows.
[04:56] <Bashing-om> mozzy3711: How you boot the installer is how it installs - in Bios set to boot EFI only.
[04:57] <mozzy3711> Oooh. Good to know. I’ll track that down in my BIOS settings. Though gigabytes are terrible for BIOS lol
[04:57] <Bashing-om> !uefi | mozzy3711
[04:57] <ubottu> mozzy3711: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[05:01] <blinky> How do I set sumatrapdf as the default pdf reader on Ubuntu?
[05:05] <mozzy3711> Thank you! I’m going to start with a fresh windows installation and build from there again.
[05:06] <Bashing-om> mozzy3711: A plan :D - Windows install first - else will wipe out the buntu boot code - nasty Windows :D
[05:07] <xangua> blinky: isn't Sumatra only for Windows?
[05:08] <blinky> xangua, no it is availabe on snapstore and usable via wine I guess.
[05:09] <blinky> xangua, I have sumatrapdf installed on Ubuntu. The only problem is how to set it as the default for pdf.
[05:24] <blinky> xangua, here's the link - https://snapcraft.io/sumatrapdf
[05:25] <blinky> do you know how to make it the default pdf reader?
[05:38] <xangua> blinky: sorry no, I don't even use wine
[05:39] <xangua> Or see the need of Sumatra in Linux, I do use it on Windows
[05:39] <blinky> I was looking for cross-platform consistency.
[05:40] <blinky> I use it on Windows and was looking to continue on Ubuntu as well.
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[06:39] <junyx> How much is enterprise ubuntu?
[06:43] <toddc> junyx: https://ubuntu.com/pricing/pro
[06:44] <junyx> toddc I saw that. Why are they charging when warthog release (2004) they said ubuntu will be free forever include enterprise ubuntu
[06:44] <junyx> including*
[06:44] <junyx> warthog documentation says that
[06:45] <toddc> ubuntu is free paid pro is support only software is the same   and pro is free free for up to 5 machines for personal use 50 if you are a ubuntu member
[06:46] <junyx> Thats different than free forever
[06:46] <junyx> Oh well
[06:47] <junyx> 5 machines is a limit
[06:47] <toddc> !pro | junyx
[06:47] <ubottu> junyx: Ubuntu Pro is a service offered by Canonical for expanded CVE patching, ten-years security maintenance and optional support. Anyone can use Ubuntu Pro for free for personal use on up to 5 machines. For details please see https://ubuntu.com/pro and https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-pro-faq
[06:49] <toddc> I like the fact that I can build and test a server and then anytime add support if I need it
[06:57] <junyx> Thanks toddc
[06:58] <toddc> junyx: happy to help
[08:23] <gebbione> hello
[08:28] <gebbione> black screen problem still present, here is a list of the output and things i tried https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2500132&p=14202135#post14202135 any suggestions on what to try next is welcome
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[11:37] <Square> What is the panel, that you see when you click on the date/time on the top bar, called?
[11:38] <Square> (where notifications and calendar is showed)
[11:41] <lotuspsychj3> Square: i think, GNOME Shell notification area
[11:41] <lotuspsychj3> not sure what the exact package names
[11:43] <lotuspsychj3> Square: you have an issue around it?
[11:54] <Square> lotuspsychj3, no. I was just curious if I could configure it somehow. Like add the ubuntu shipped todo list in there.
[11:54] <Square> (...or really one such todo list)
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[15:19] <SDDM_probs> Hello, everyone. 1) what was called the app that auto-scanned all the installed OS on the connected HDDs and added them to the bootloader? Also provided a GUI for editing bootloader entries. 2) Can I make the system directly load into a cmd session (instead of a GUI one) from the initial start-up screen, if it hasn't already been configured to do
[15:19] <SDDM_probs> that in the OS' config files, and the OS' GUI session can't be loaded ATM?
[15:23] <tomreyn> unless you're looking for software provided by ubuntu, such as os-prober, you might be better off asking in #linux
[15:26] <SDDM_probs> the problems are occurring on my ubuntu OS, so asking here may nd up being more efficient later on.
[15:34] <tomreyn> you can edit (or just remove) grub.cfg so it boots into the grub CLI
[16:08] <Infrared_> That was strange...cups-browsed (if I remember right) was using 100% CPU for no apparent reason, I don't even have printing set up :) It went back to normal after systemctl restart cups, I wonder what caused it in the first place though
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[16:41] <youload> hi
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[19:16] <numbie> does someone know a alternative for adobe scan?
[19:17] <ravage> https://alternative.to/adobe-scan
[19:25] <nshirelaptop> wow the minimal install really is minimal-doesn't even have ping lol
[19:25] <nshirelaptop> does it forego the gnu coreutils?
[19:27] <nshirelaptop> hm I suppose ping isn't a coreutil. guess there isn't anything network related in that list either
[19:39] <stradman> so as it happens, I crashed during an ubuntu release upgrade and broke some packages. now I am left fixing them, sudo apt --fix-broken install returns errors and dpkg --configure -a also returns errors, what is my next line of action?
[19:40] <toddc> !paste | stradman
[19:40] <ubottu> stradman: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://bpa.st | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[19:41] <toddc> post errors
[19:44] <stradman54> sorry dropped out for a sec
[19:44] <ChrisA> Hello, I need some help after an upgrade.
[19:45] <stradman54> okay
[19:45] <ChrisA> Yesterday, I did an upgrade from ubuntu 16.04 to ubuntu 24.04.
[19:45] <ChrisA> (From 16 to 18 to 20 to 22 and 24).
[19:45] <stradman54> dude you are literally me, but a more successful version of me
[19:45] <ChrisA> But my unity desktop is broken.
[19:45] <stradman54> i crashed literally on the first step
[19:46] <stradman54> so chris, do you have any kind of gui or is it all stuck?
[19:46] <ChrisA> I can log to the gnome desktop and use the desktop and apps.
[19:46] <stradman54> cool, what's the issue then?
[19:47] <ChrisA> But when I try to log into the unity desktop, the background shows, but no top bar, no launcher, nothing else.
[19:47] <toddc> you may also want to consider a clean install as not all backend parts can be upgraded and a lot of changes have happend since 16.04
[19:47] <ChrisA> I tried uninstalling and purging the ubuntu-unity-desktop packages, and reinstalling them. But no change.
[19:48] <ChrisA> I know I could do a clean install, but I would like to keep all my install apps as-is.
[19:48] <toddc> !paste | ChrisA
[19:48] <ubottu> ChrisA: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://bpa.st | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[19:48] <ChrisA> So that's why I ask here if someone knows what I could be missing.
[19:50] <stradman54> I feel your pai chris
[19:50] <toddc> post all errors please so we can see what parts are missing  sudo apt update errors or logs ect
[19:50] <stradman54> co incident that even i started upgrading from 16 to 22 today only
[19:50] <ChrisA> There are no errors in the packages.
[19:50] <ChrisA> I mean, I checked with synaptic package manager.
[19:51] <ChrisA> No broken packages anymore.
[19:51] <ChrisA> No packages that need to be updated...
[19:52] <ravage> try to create a new user. see if that can login
[19:52] <ChrisA> I tried that too.
[19:52] <ravage> if it works you need to kill all unity related data because migration did not work out
[19:52] <stradman54> I crashed on 16.04 to 18.04 :(
[19:52] <ravage> i dont think you will find many unity users here really
[19:52] <ChrisA> Even with the new user profile, only the background appears.
[19:53] <ravage> in general multiple LTS upgrades are usually not the best idea
[19:53] <ravage> backup your files and do a fresh installation
[19:53] <ChrisA> Ravage, that's what I suspected.
[19:53] <ravage> i usually just backup /home and restore whatever i miss over time
[19:54] <ChrisA> For what I can see after launching "top" in another terminal (ctrl+alt+f1),
[19:55] <ChrisA> the culprit seems to be the compiz process that tries to launch, but crashes.
[19:56] <ravage> have not heard that word in 10 years or so
[19:56] <stradman54> how to resolve this : https://bpa.st/MAOQ
[19:58] <ravage> stradman54: backup your files and reinstall. this is really not worth the struggle
[19:58] <ravage> even if you resolve this you still have 2 more versions to upgrade
[20:00] <stradman54> ravage it's 100 GB of data, it would be painful to do it file by file :(
[20:00] <ravage> use rsync
[20:00] <stradman54> can rsync send all to Gdrive?
[20:01] <ravage> uh no idea
[20:01] <ravage> gdrive is a propriatary protocol
[20:01] <ravage> but im sure someone wrote a wrapper
[20:01] <ravage> but could be hard to install that in that state of the system
[20:02] <ravage> but im sure you have a backup drive you usually use right?
[20:02] <stradman54> that's why I would be more interested in stabilising the system, i guess I just have to remove the faulty packages
[20:03] <stradman54> ravage no :( this one is a old laptop i haven't fired up in months
[20:03] <ravage> then get any external HDD/SSD with a USB connector for your backups
[20:04] <ravage> it is worth every $
[20:05] <stradman54> instead I am paying google :(
[20:05] <ravage> i really dont know how to mount google
[20:06] <ravage> i know there are tools for it
[20:06] <ravage> you may be able to install that from a 24.04 live USB
[20:06] <ravage> and copy your files over from there
[20:06] <stradman54> that sounds interesting
[20:07] <ravage> https://ostechnix.com/mount-google-drive-using-rclone-in-linux/
[20:07] <ravage> rclone seems to support it
[20:10] <stradman54> ravage just sharing my dpkg output : https://bpa.st/KFVQ , is it even fixable?
[20:22] <disgrunt> Is there any documentation for Ubuntu for "advanced users"?
[20:22] <disgrunt> Or for System Administrators?
[20:24] <leftyfb> disgrunt: not exactly. In what sense?
[20:24] <leftyfb> disgrunt: it's best to have a goal in mind and find documentation for that
[20:25] <disgrunt> :(
[20:25] <leftyfb> disgrunt: what is it you're trying to accomplish exactly?
[20:29] <disgrunt> leftyfb:  I currently have a custom 22.04 install with it and Windows both encrypted on the same HD using TPM.  I am debating upgrading to 24.04 and would like to get the /boot partition encrypted as well.  It's also using btrfs and has snap stripped out.  Ubuntu is all-in on snap.
[20:30] <disgrunt> leftyfb:  I'm just trying to get info to be honest.
[20:30] <leftyfb> disgrunt: what info exactly?
[20:31] <leftyfb> disgrunt: if you ask me, I would wipe ubuntu 22.04 and install 24.04 from scratch if you need it as custom as you have it
[20:32] <ravage> The Ubuntu 24.04 installer is not that customizable
[20:32] <disgrunt> leftyfb:  That's what I would be doing.  But the installer does not allow installing Ubuntu and Windows on the same drive with full disk encryption.
[20:32] <disgrunt> ravage:  Exactly.
[20:32] <ravage> So you may not even be able to replicate it on a new installation
[20:32] <leftyfb> disgrunt: it will let you encrypt ubuntu entirely
[20:32] <ravage> That is still experimental
[20:32] <disgrunt> leftyfb:  On the same drive as Windows?
[20:32] <leftyfb> yes
[20:33] <ravage> Never tried it with dual boot
[20:33] <leftyfb> you use LVM and encrypt the LVM volume
[20:33] <ravage> That still leaves boot unencrypted right?
[20:33] <ravage> And that's not his current setup
[20:33] <leftyfb> not anymore, no
[20:33] <leftyfb> it does it all in one go
[20:34] <disgrunt> leftyfb:  Does it require me to disable BitLocker before installation?
[20:34] <leftyfb> disgrunt: not unless you want to access files on Windows from Ubuntu
[20:34] <disgrunt> That's not what the end-user documentation said.
[20:35] <ravage> I'm still not 100% confident that all this will just work with the new installer but I may be wrong
[20:35] <disgrunt> ravage:  That's why I wanted technical documentation.
[20:35] <leftyfb> advanced users would just try it out and restore from backup if anything goes wrong
[20:35] <ravage> So far it let me down with anything that is not a very default setup
[20:36] <disgrunt> leftyfb:  I respectfully disagree.
[20:36] <disgrunt> Try it and see is horrible advice... RTFM is an acronym for a reason.
[20:36] <disgrunt> Thanks all for the input.
[20:52] <stradman54> when installing 24.04, do i need to delete the prev ubuntu 16.04 partition by myself or does it do it by itself?
[20:53] <younder> When installing you get the option to delete the old version or keep it.
[20:53] <stradman54> so it just wipes out the old partition and data right?
[20:55] <younder> It re-formats the drive and then installs the new version. You can also choose to manually create the partitions.
[20:55] <ravage> but yes is has a "wipe everything" option
[20:56] <younder> It is probably best to follow a video of a install or written instruction if you have never done it before, just so you know what to expect.
[20:58] <younder> Make sure it is the same version as you are installing. 24.04 has a new installer so it is a bit different from earlier versions.
[20:59] <stradman54> I would actually be having the iso on the prev ubuntu install partition not on a usb stick
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[21:16] <enigma9o7> Whoops! Our server is scratching its head!
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[21:28] <hanshenrik> ubuntu 22.04 "deluser hans" didn't remove hans from /etc/shadow , isn't it supposed to?
[21:28] <hanshenrik> oh actually it did.. but there is a file called shadow-  (shadow and a dash?) where it still exist
[21:30] <JanC> hanshenrik: see "man shadow" under the section FILES
[21:30] <JanC> under the header FILES
[21:31] <JanC> (it's a backup file)
[21:31] <hanshenrik> ok thanks
[21:32] <JanC> probably useful if you use deluser and then suddenly realise that was a mistake  :)
[21:32] <hanshenrik> good point
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[23:40] <marcopolo2> Why does ubuntu install 535 by default but 550 are also in ubuntu repos?
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