| * cpaelzer is warming the MIR campfire | 14:27 | |
| sarnold | good morning | 14:29 |
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| didrocks | I will be 5 minutes late but I am around | 14:29 |
| jbicha | good morning | 14:30 |
| cpaelzer | ok didrocks | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status | 14:31 |
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| slyon | hey o/ | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( and regular guests: eslerm dviererbe jbicha) | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | hello, most said hi before the log got started :-) | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | #topic current component mismatches | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | ok, this is much less than it was | 14:32 |
| cpaelzer | yay | 14:32 |
| cpaelzer | let us talk about them one by one | 14:32 |
| cpaelzer | y11-utils -> luit | 14:32 |
| slyon | I'm not sure if didrocks got the memo from last week about x11-utils and did some investigation? It's just a Recommends, so we might be able to drop it.. | 14:32 |
| sarnold | heh, i'm just now noticing it's in my focal x11-utils | 14:32 |
| cpaelzer | ok, so you did look into that from when I was PTO-chilling | 14:32 |
| sarnold | it might be something that's been in main all along? | 14:33 |
| cpaelzer | sarnold: you mean it ewas broken out and might be the same source | 14:33 |
| sarnold | yeah | 14:33 |
| sarnold | I was just curious what it was, and noticed it's in my ancient focal, heh | 14:33 |
| cpaelzer | also the history suggests that | 14:33 |
| cpaelzer | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/luit | 14:33 |
| cpaelzer | starting at 2.0.20221018 isn't how "new" software would start | 14:33 |
| cpaelzer | anyway, maybe didrocks and or jbicha can have a look as that is very Desktop'y | 14:34 |
| sarnold | hah, with an epoch back in gutsy https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/luit/+changelog | 14:34 |
| cpaelzer | jbicha: you are here already - do you have an immediate opinion on it? | 14:34 |
| cpaelzer | we will go on for now ... | 14:35 |
| didrocks | slyon: just back from holidays. I think jbicha will have a look for it once he is around | 14:35 |
| cpaelzer | welcome back didrocks | 14:35 |
| cpaelzer | next: dkms -> gcc-13 | 14:35 |
| cpaelzer | gone in -proposed | 14:35 |
| cpaelzer | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms/3.0.11-1ubuntu14 | 14:36 |
| slyon | ACK, thanks | 14:36 |
| cpaelzer | * control: Migrate to gcc-14. | 14:36 |
| cpaelzer | so, no action here | 14:36 |
| jbicha | the x11-utils changelog says that luit was split out from x11-utils to a separate package | 14:36 |
| cpaelzer | ok, that confirms our theory jbicha - thanks | 14:36 |
| cpaelzer | would you file a minimal (no need to go the full process way) MIR bug for it please? | 14:36 |
| jbicha | ok | 14:36 |
| cpaelzer | say it was split out and refer to the original MIR bug if it can be found | 14:36 |
| cpaelzer | that ought to be enough to promite it with the required paper trail | 14:37 |
| cpaelzer | now looking at -proposed | 14:37 |
| cpaelzer | jbicha: feel free to ping me about it then, so I can act and resolve it | 14:37 |
| cpaelzer | everything else in here already has MIR bugs, some already approved | 14:37 |
| cpaelzer | no need to act here, unless if they show up in the queue for us | 14:37 |
| cpaelzer | #topic New MIRs | 14:38 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing | 14:38 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 14:38 |
| cpaelzer | and they are not | 14:38 |
| cpaelzer | so they must not yet be ready i guess | 14:38 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Incomplete bugs / questions | 14:38 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams | 14:38 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 14:38 |
| cpaelzer | wow, the most recent last update is 6th of June | 14:38 |
| cpaelzer | so nothing here for us either | 14:38 |
| cpaelzer | Looking at excused today I expected this to be more crazy | 14:39 |
| cpaelzer | ... he said and it got more crazy | 14:39 |
| slyon | haha | 14:39 |
| sarnold | hehehe | 14:39 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Process/Documentation improvements | 14:39 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues | 14:39 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls | 14:39 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues | 14:39 |
| cpaelzer | https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pull/64 can be merged | 14:39 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 64 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "exceptions: copy OEM document" [Open] | 14:39 | |
| slyon | cpaelzer: ACK. Once you approve, too. it should be ready to be merged | 14:40 |
| joalif | s | 14:40 |
| cpaelzer | give me more than a second for that | 14:40 |
| slyon | :) | 14:40 |
| cpaelzer | but I'll do so in another time of day soon | 14:40 |
| cpaelzer | which will close #63 | 14:40 |
| cpaelzer | and #35 is meant to stay | 14:40 |
| cpaelzer | leaving #65 | 14:40 |
| cpaelzer | https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues/65 | 14:40 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Issue 65 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "Document Rust vendoring" [Open] | 14:40 | |
| cpaelzer | I see, this was about moving | 14:41 |
| slyon | This is very similar to the previous one. Moving from wiki to github.. | 14:41 |
| cpaelzer | I agree, the question is this "needs help" label or will you do so once you get to it? | 14:41 |
| slyon | I can take an action item to do it, just didn't have the time to prepare anything yet | 14:41 |
| cpaelzer | ok, this isn't urgent | 14:41 |
| cpaelzer | thanks | 14:41 |
| cpaelzer | BTW, I think since the rust rules were done enough time has passed to re-evaluate them | 14:41 |
| cpaelzer | just to make sure they are still the right rules | 14:42 |
| cpaelzer | What would you prefer for that, an engineering sprint debate to get the temperature check and distributing tasks to find out things from there? | 14:42 |
| slyon | we might be able to do that as part of the PR that I'll prepare for this | 14:42 |
| cpaelzer | slyon: the discussion could indeed be part of the PR | 14:42 |
| cpaelzer | if we all are close to "need to stay as is" it will work well | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | but if we end up as "all has to change" it will delay things a lot | 14:43 |
| slyon | depending on how the PR discussion goes, we could schedule something for the next engineering sprint | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | in the latter case, we will want to land an unmodified version and split out the discussions | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | Ack | 14:43 |
| slyon | ack | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | seems we are in line on that | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | let us see what we find along the related PR then | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | #topic MIR related Security Review Queue | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable? | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | Some clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place. | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | Internal link | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | - ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | - ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/594 | 14:43 |
| cpaelzer | sarnold: very front loaded | 14:44 |
| cpaelzer | and we are at the time of the year where loaded is bad as it impies slipping | 14:44 |
| sarnold | we're currently onboarding two new folks to the MIR process | 14:44 |
| cpaelzer | or is all of that "can happen any time" | 14:44 |
| cpaelzer | wow - gz to onboarding two | 14:44 |
| sarnold | which is of course encouraging, but also not yet capacity to plow through them | 14:44 |
| cpaelzer | Can you make ~1 per person per week happen? | 14:44 |
| sarnold | probably not | 14:45 |
| slyon | sarnold: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rpds-py/+bug/2072621 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exfatprogs/+bug/2073783 need new "sec-*" tags | 14:45 |
| cpaelzer | 3 now, 3 next, 2 next would cover them all | 14:45 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2072621 in rpds-py (Ubuntu) "[MIR] rpds-py" [Undecided, New] | 14:45 | |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2073783 in exfatprogs (Ubuntu) "[MIR] exfatprogs" [Undecided, New] | 14:45 | |
| cpaelzer | ok, +2 | 14:45 |
| sarnold | slyon: ah thanks, i'm extremely far behind on my email :( | 14:45 |
| cpaelzer | we ahve 3 weeks 'til beta freeze | 14:45 |
| cpaelzer | hence I'm asking for that pace | 14:45 |
| cpaelzer | sarnold: what would be needed to change "probably not" into something better? | 14:46 |
| cpaelzer | do your new people need to sleep? | 14:46 |
| cpaelzer | :-P | 14:46 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: sleep *and* eat! go figure | 14:46 |
| cpaelzer | ok, go for that then please :-) | 14:47 |
| sarnold | cpaelzer: I'll ask to see if our $otherproject can spare some of the folks who have done these before | 14:47 |
| cpaelzer | nothing we can do for now other than acknowledging the situation | 14:47 |
| cpaelzer | thanks for trying that approach sarnold | 14:47 |
| cpaelzer | you'll have some favors from the receiving teams then | 14:47 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Any other business? | 14:47 |
| slyon | nothign from my side | 14:47 |
| didrocks | nothing either for me | 14:47 |
| sarnold | nothing here | 14:47 |
| cpaelzer | nor from me | 14:48 |
| cpaelzer | which means we are kind of done | 14:48 |
| cpaelzer | today we go out with the last 5 of the happy numbers | 14:49 |
| cpaelzer | 19 | 14:49 |
| cpaelzer | 13 | 14:49 |
| cpaelzer | 10 | 14:49 |
| cpaelzer | 7 | 14:49 |
| cpaelzer | 1 | 14:49 |
| cpaelzer | bye | 14:49 |
| cpaelzer | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 14:49:36 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-08-27-14.31.moin.txt | 14:49 |
| sarnold | thanks cpaelzer, all :) | 14:49 |
| slyon | thanks! | 14:50 |
| didrocks | thanks! | 14:50 |
| rbasak | o/ | 19:00 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 19:00 |
| * amurray waves | 19:00 | |
| rbasak | I don't see seb128 around | 19:01 |
| rbasak | sil2100 was backup chair according to https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-08-13-19.10.html | 19:01 |
| rbasak | But maybe we need to let him off? :) | 19:02 |
| sil2100 | eh, yes please, typing with one hand is terrible | 19:02 |
| sil2100 | And voice-to-chat isn't that much faster | 19:03 |
| rbasak | #startmeeting Technical Board | 19:03 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 19:03:29 UTC. The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 19:03 |
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| rbasak | #topic Apologies | 19:03 |
| rbasak | #info No apologies were sent | 19:04 |
| rbasak | #topic Action review | 19:04 |
| rbasak | ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification | 19:04 |
| rbasak | This still needs carrying over. I had been focused on the next item, which is nearing its end | 19:04 |
| rbasak | #action rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification | 19:04 |
| meetingology | ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification | 19:04 |
| rbasak | ACTION: rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy | 19:05 |
| rbasak | Done | 19:05 |
| rbasak | ACTION: vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays | 19:05 |
| rbasak | vorlon isn't here so I'll carry this over | 19:05 |
| rbasak | #action vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays | 19:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: vorlon to look into scripting for packages in flavor-specific overlays | 19:05 |
| rbasak | ACTION: seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations | 19:05 |
| rbasak | seb128 isn't here so I'll carry over | 19:05 |
| rbasak | #action seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations | 19:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: seb128 to continue working with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations | 19:05 |
| rbasak | ACTION: sil2100 to follow up on the Cinnamon 24.04 LTS Qualification re the number of contacts listed for the flavor | 19:05 |
| rbasak | sil2100: ? | 19:05 |
| rbasak | Was this discussed last time? | 19:05 |
| sil2100 | Still on it! I started writing the email but then context switched | 19:07 |
| sil2100 | Carry over please | 19:07 |
| rbasak | #action sil2100 to follow up on the Cinnamon 24.04 LTS Qualification re the number of contacts listed for the flavor | 19:07 |
| meetingology | ACTION: sil2100 to follow up on the Cinnamon 24.04 LTS Qualification re the number of contacts listed for the flavor | 19:07 |
| rbasak | (vorlon) seeded snaps policy, snap channels, and things moving fast? | 19:07 |
| rbasak | I think this topic was resolved last time but vorlon isn't here to confirm. Anyway the item I added next is where we are now: | 19:08 |
| rbasak | #topic Consider moving to ratify the draft Draft policy on third party software sources included by Ubuntu | 19:08 |
| rbasak | #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/technical-board-feedback-requested-draft-policy-on-third-party-software-sources-included-by-ubuntu/46849 | 19:08 |
| rbasak | That link carries the latest version of the draft. | 19:08 |
| rbasak | I think we've had enough feedback now. Are we OK to move to ratify it? | 19:08 |
| rbasak | Any objections before putting it to a vote? | 19:08 |
| amurray | none from me | 19:09 |
| rbasak | #vote Move to ratify the draft version currently at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/technical-board-feedback-requested-draft-policy-on-third-party-software-sources-included-by-ubuntu/46849 | 19:09 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Move to ratify the draft version currently at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/technical-board-feedback-requested-draft-policy-on-third-party-software-sources-included-by-ubuntu/46849 | 19:09 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname') | 19:09 |
| rbasak | +1 | 19:09 |
| meetingology | +1 received from rbasak | 19:09 |
| amurray | +1 | 19:09 |
| meetingology | +1 received from amurray | 19:09 |
| sil2100 | +1 | 19:10 |
| meetingology | +1 received from sil2100 | 19:10 |
| rbasak | Thanks! | 19:10 |
| rbasak | #endvote | 19:10 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Move to ratify the draft version currently at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/technical-board-feedback-requested-draft-policy-on-third-party-software-sources-included-by-ubuntu/46849 | 19:10 |
| meetingology | Votes for: 3, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0 | 19:10 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 19:10 |
| rbasak | #action rbasak to document the third party software sources policy somewhere appropriate | 19:10 |
| meetingology | ACTION: rbasak to document the third party software sources policy somewhere appropriate | 19:10 |
| rbasak | Thanks to everyone involved for your time on this! It's nice to see it wrapped up. | 19:11 |
| rbasak | #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item) | 19:11 |
| rbasak | #info No outstanding mailing list items | 19:11 |
| rbasak | #topic Check up on community bugs and techboard bugs | 19:11 |
| rbasak | #info No open community bugs | 19:12 |
| rbasak | Bug 2015920 can remain open until I've documented the new policy | 19:12 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2015920 in techboard "Third party repository policy is not well defined" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015920 | 19:12 | |
| rbasak | #info No techboard bugs that need attention | 19:12 |
| amurray | sounds fair - thanks for all your work leading that third party software sources policy rbasak - great to get it finally done | 19:12 |
| rbasak | (and the other bug we have an action item for) | 19:12 |
| rbasak | #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members) | 19:13 |
| rbasak | I suggest relieving sil2100 from chairing duties for now. | 19:13 |
| rbasak | So the next chair should be seb128 with amurray as backup I think. | 19:13 |
| amurray | ack | 19:14 |
| rbasak | #info The next chair will be seb128 with amurray as backup | 19:14 |
| sil2100 | I hope that in 2 weeks I'll be able to use my right hand to some extent | 19:14 |
| sil2100 | Even still in the cast | 19:14 |
| rbasak | Sure, but might as well take it easy :) | 19:14 |
| rbasak | #topic AOB | 19:14 |
| rbasak | AOB? | 19:14 |
| rbasak | #endmeeting | 19:15 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 19:15:27 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-08-27-19.03.moin.txt | 19:15 |
| rbasak | Thanks all! | 19:15 |
| amurray | thanks rbasak | 19:15 |
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