[00:00] Apart from the discussion. I've appreciated your help. I'm not sarcastic [00:06] hello [00:07] bye [00:14] how do i install latest kodi on latest lts? [00:17] linsux: what have you tried? [00:18] apt install kodi [00:18] add-apt-repository -y ppa:team-xbmc/ppa [00:18] linsux: you only need the first command to install kodi [00:18] E: The repository 'https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/team-xbmc/ppa/ubuntu noble Release' does not have a Release file. [00:19] linsux: installing packages from 3rd party repositories isn't supported here [00:19] !info kodi | linsux [00:19] linsux: kodi (2:20.5+dfsg-1build2, noble): Open Source Home Theatre (executable binaries). In component universe, is optional. Built by kodi. Size 24 kB / 117 kB [00:19] linsux: that said, that 3rd party repository doesn't yet support ubuntu 24.04 [00:19] this version crashes alot [00:20] define crashes [00:20] kodi_crashlog-20240831_192827.log kodi_crashlog-20240831_192849.log kodi_crashlog-20240831_192952.log kodi_crashlog-20240831_193040.log kodi_crashlog-20240831_194059.log [00:20] those are file names, not an explanation of what happens when you run it [00:22] how do i pastebin from command line? [00:22] i forgot [00:22] echo "hello world" | nc termbin.com 9999 [00:23] or if you have an ubuntu account: echo "hello world" | pastebinit [00:24] https://termbin.com/q4qs [00:24] Oh no, SSH went down. I'm out of luck [00:55] I got kernel back! Shell recovered, still trying [01:22] Hello [01:24] (I have a problem, I am not sure it's related to ubuntu as it's related to x11 and apt-get. I don't know if I can ask here...) [01:25] ask away bubuche87 [01:26] I am trying to install libx11-dev. It doesn't work. When I am running "sudo apt-get install libx11-dev --fix-missing" it ends with a failed to fetch for "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libx11/libx11-dev_1.6.9-2ubuntu1.2_amd64.deb" and it's true that this file doesn't exist (checked in the browser). [01:26] bubuche87: sudo apt update [01:26] Already did it. [01:27] what release of ubuntu? [01:27] and why do you need libx11-dev? [01:28] Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS ? ( lsb_release -a gives me that) [01:28] I a reran update and now it's doing work. [01:29] your apt cache was very outdated [01:29] Ok it worked. It downloaded the 1.6 instead, seemingly. Thank a lot ! [01:29] your OS is only going to be supported for another 8 months [01:29] time to upgrade [01:29] it's a live usb key ... [01:30] but thanks for this (good) advice :0 [02:24] I'm almost there, but networkmanager package fails to configure [02:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/2039371 [02:25] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2039371 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "package network-manager 1.44.2-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: installed network-manager package post-installation script subprocess was killed by signal (Terminated)" [Undecided, New] [02:26] But to me nm-online works and returns successfully [02:26] But dpkg hangs waiting for something that really is online [02:27] SKIP: NetworkManager is not ready ... [02:30] Here is another one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/2074300 [02:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2074300 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Unable to upgrade Network Manager (SKIP NetworkManager not ready ...) on Ubuntu 22->24 upgrade" [Undecided, New] [02:31] I think this mighr well be the time I really move to Windows, o or Mac, or nix or some immutable distro [02:31] arkanoid: you got a task on your bug there #4 [02:36] NetworkManager is working. I'm connected to internet, nm-omline returns succrssfull [02:36] NetworkManager state is now CONNECTED_GLOBAL [02:37] Lol, failing to package fails to install because no interner [02:38] Go home dpkg, you're drunk [02:42] Error is persistent even after reboot [02:52] It's a dns/apparmor chain reaction of shitty overcomplicated bikeshedding shit [02:56] !language | arkanoid [02:56] arkanoid: Please avoid any language that may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such - also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines || The main channels are English only, for other languages, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [02:57] Sorry but situation is very stressful here. I'm very angry with canonical "please wait until we are ready for LTS upgrade", thanks for the sleepless night === sprinw6 is now known as AzBeacon [02:57] There's a reason why I want to jump from LTS to LTS [02:58] And is exactly not having to deal with this [02:58] does anyone use this chat? [02:59] I'm also by missing resolved https://askubuntu.com/questions/1510951/do-release-upgrade-from-22-04-to-24-04-deleted-systemd-resolved [02:59] This is ubuntu support, for chat try #ubuntu-offtopic [03:00] oh gotcha i gotta research this first [03:16] Hooray, I successfully reached desktop and my system is working, but 24.04 is far, very far from stable [03:17] Had to apply manually many reparations along the way [03:18] Funny thing is that networkmanager is perfectly working both via CLI and via GNOME, but can't dpkg configure it as it waits endlessly as it feels not ready [03:19] Also 24.04 removed systemd-resolved and all went nuts [03:19] Stable does not mean bug free (not possible). Stable means little changes other than security or bug fixes. [03:20] LTS to LTS jump should be the most important one, for Canonical [03:21] Now I are very very unsure about upgrading all my 22.04 servers [03:21] Well, complaints and ranting is off-topic for this channel. Do you have any more support questions? [03:22] I have asked many questions, Im still asking questions but so far I've solved issues by myself one by one in the last 6 hours [03:22] If you have a bunch of servers, I'd suggest getting a support contract from Canonical so that you don't have to rely on community support (this channel). [03:23] So, if you know how to fix network-manager (1.46.0-1ubuntu2) from loop locking dpkg, please, share, as I am debugging the process myself [03:23] Well, if nobody has answered your question, then nobody here knows the answer to your question. Sorry. [03:23] !bug | arkanoid [03:23] arkanoid: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [03:24] Eickmeyer: Here I am dealing with my personal workstation, from where I do stuff [03:24] arkanoid: If you're expecting professional level support here, you're not going to find it. [03:25] Canonical's support engineers aren't here. [03:26] So, please, no rants or complaints. Stick to questions and answers. [03:26] Everyone here answering questions is a volunteer. [03:29] I am not expecting professional support here. Professional support is needed generally when you're dealing with a very customized setup. Here I am upgrading from Ubuntu Desktop 22.04 LTS to 24.04 LTS starting from GUI, and all went broken (probably caused by existing third party packages). But after fixing the root cause, I'm running through a series of problems I can Google. This means that 22.04 [03:29] > 24.04 is NOT ready. I am not the one pushing for early release, I want hassle free desktop, and my choices are the ones nearest to that achievement [03:33] arkanoid: an OS upgraded from 14.04 -> 16.04 -> 18.04 -> 20.04 -> 22.04 with multiple PPA's and potentially countless customizations added and removed over the years is very far from common [03:34] I don't think anyone should expect that type of system to be stable [03:39] leftyfb: it depends on your level of knowledge [03:39] leftyfb: my fault is to trust ubuntu promises [03:39] !discuss [03:39] Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [03:43] I've found the culprit of network-manager package failing looping "SKIP: NetworkManager is not ready ..." during install: file /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.postinst line 143 [03:46] line is "if ! nm-online -qs; then". Reading man no-online seems that -s flag is not honored [03:46] !bug | arkanoid [03:46] arkanoid: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [03:46] "After startup has completed, nm-online -s will just return immediately, regardless of the current network state.", but nm-online -s is NOT returning immediately in my new box [03:48] https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/wWZxy2NWq6/ [03:48] er hat mir tatsächlich noch --classic empfohlen weil ich so schön gemacht hab [03:49] !de | brenndo [03:49] brenndo: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! [03:50] excuse me i sag he really offerd me --classic because i did so nice [03:54] thats it its just one its ritzl [03:54] 1 distribution [03:55] thats the network [03:56] is a mixed distribution i call ritzl [03:57] ` like the wreth [04:05] removing the `-s` flag from the nm-online call fixed the issue [04:23] here i made ritzl look [04:23] https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/CXQd4FRfRh/ [04:23] ritzl is just the name [04:40] uh, I was pretty sure I read that Wayland would have fixed the 2 monitor-with-different-resolution-and-scales issue, but actually it's not [04:41] Great Scott! [04:41] arkanoid: you're STILL Whining!? [04:41] I have 15" laptop connected to 32" 4K display. I have to use the 4K display at fullhd resolution as scaling it to 200% would scale also the laptop display [04:42] if you read the logs, you can see that I'm the only one responding to my own questions [04:42] I'd call it whining [04:43] I think you should immediately demand a refund. [04:44] I mean you were promised a resolution to that issue, and wayland didn't deliver. [04:44] Does wayland allow using multiseat with one video card (and multiple monitors/keyboards/mice)? [04:45] That's the only issue I have with X.... [04:45] what's the use of that? [04:46] just an example would be good [04:46] You know what multiseat is, right? [04:46] Example would be one computer for both my kids and me to share, and we can all login as ourselves. [04:47] If one person installed a package, it'd be available for all of us, but we could each have our own desktops... [04:47] It's just more efficient than having to buy one video card for each seat. [04:48] Which is what you have to do now with X. [04:48] enigma9o7: it's the 70s model. Mainframe in the basement, terminal to the users [04:48] then PC was invented [04:49] Well, basement is too far away for HDMI and USB, but yeah sure. [04:50] I guess you could drill holes in the floor. [04:50] I never tried it that way with linux. You said it works with X? [04:50] But right now with X you have to buy a video card for each seat. I'm hoping with wayland we won't hav eto do that, as modern GPU can support 4 monitors. [04:51] Topic for #ubuntu is "Official Ubuntu Support Channel | IRC Guidelines: https://ubottu.com/y/gl | #ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavors; versions 24.04, 23.10, 22.04, 20.04. #ubuntu-next for 24.10 | Unofficial derivatives: Use your distro's support channel, not here | IRC info: https://ubottu.com/y/irc | Pastes to https://bpa.st | Download: https://ubottu.com/y/dl" [04:51] well nowadays you can buy a PC on a module and install application as if it were a cluster [04:55] In Windows world you'd handle that as a local domain, but in modern Linux is interesting. Have you considered VMs? [04:57] Just hit another issue on 24.04 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1514757/issue-with-ubuntu-24-04-black-screen-with-cursor-on-login [04:58] arkanoid: This is not the place to discuss that. Obviously take it to askubuntu. [04:58] arkanoid: As stated before, this is not the place to complain, whine, or otherwise rant. You've been pointed to the place where to report bugs. Do not bring askubuntu topics here. [04:59] Also, do not answer your own questions here. That's called monologuing. It goes against the guidelines. [04:59] !guidelines | arkanoid [04:59] arkanoid: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [04:59] If you don't like the rules, kindly /part === Unit193 changed the topic of #ubuntu to: Official Ubuntu Support Channel | IRC Guidelines: https://ubottu.com/y/gl | #ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavors; versions 24.10, 24.04, 22.04, 20.04. #ubuntu-next for 25.04 | Unofficial derivatives: Use your distro's support channel, not here | IRC info: https://ubottu.com/y/irc | Pastes to https://bpa.st | Download: https://ubottu.com/y/dl [05:00] Eickmeyer: I've already reported all the bugs I've encountered so far on my route from LTS to LTS. I'm just raising warnings to the community to NOT upgrade now. You are whining more than me apparently [05:00] arkanoid: This is not the place to do that. [05:00] It's entirely off-topic here. [05:01] Your incidents are mostly isolated. I just installed to my wife's computer tonight and had no issues. [05:02] As you wish. For the people who reads this, move to lightdm. I'm done helping others for today [05:02] So, please, again, take your whining elsewhere. [05:02] And receiving complains for doing that [05:02] Bye [05:02] It doesn't help others if it's a monologue directed at nobody. [05:03] This is a place to help individuals, not the community-at-large. [05:07] eth0 does not show up in /etc/network/interfaces [05:09] noted [05:47] I tried to create a question for my problem in ask Ubuntu but I can’t get past “review question” I press the button but it does nothing [05:47] why not use netplan? [05:49] Because it’s not there. [05:55] Hmmm, 55 is still hasn’t timed out yet I guess >~< [05:57] Google Android Studio causes high load on Ubuntu and hangs the desktop until it crash, any idea? === SpeedrunnerG75 is now known as SpeedrunnerG55 [06:10] Upgraded from jammy jellyfish to noble numbat yesterday. after reboot, and entering boot password, got the following: "Could not create MokListRT: Volume Full. Could not create MokListXRT: Volume Full. Could not create SbatLevelRT: Volume Full. Could not create MokListTrustedRT: Volume Full. Something has gone seriously wrong: import_mok_state() [06:10] failed: Volume Full." Apparently, going into BIOS, and erasing the fwupd dbx keys sorts the problem temporarily for the current session, but, with the next boot, it's the same thing again. Thought I should let somebody know. Was pointed in this direction. What other info do you need form me? [06:28] Guest6187, if you google ¨could not create moklist volume full¨you'll see this is just some Secure Boot BIOS nonsense, nothing to do with Ubuntu at all; what I do is just disable Secure Boot because I don't believe in it, but do what you want. [06:28] Guest6187, in any case Ubuntu can't help. because this is all taking place before Ubuntu is even booted.. === rue__ is now known as ruenoak [06:54] Hi all I'm stuck in an sddm loop when I try to log in.. When I go to the console and login, I can, and I am able to run startx at that point as well. I looked at journalct-b -u sddm and found some weird errors.. can anyone help? === TechBeardNC_ is now known as TechBeardNC [07:38] мммм [07:39] ммм === jipang_menjerit is now known as jipangmenjerit === jay_d_ is now known as jay_d === mrbutthead6 is now known as mrbutthead === mrbutthead2 is now known as mrbutthead === mrbutthead7 is now known as mrbutthead === lubuntu is now known as Netoken72 [10:07] hi === Juesto is now known as Juest [11:20] ` was a expected expression for matemton [11:23] i can always open and close the root when i want [11:23] ; [11:24] only in root u are comod [11:27] so for ritzl you have echo `; - '¸ comod [11:28] no packages anymore :D [11:28] u just make a new _ [11:40] u see they movin xD [11:56] Hi all [12:13] https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/kmSXCSwTd3/ [12:13] distribution1 [12:15] `ritzl root echo ` ' ¸ comod [12:16] Does anyone know of an IRC channel dedicated to GUI programming? [12:17] !alis | kwak [12:17] kwak: Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see «/msg Alis help list» or ask in #libera - Example usage: «/msg Alis list http» [12:18] The channel could be called anything, and there are areas that encompass GUI programming which aren't called GUI programming. So it wouldn't be easily searchable I think. [12:28] root [0] comod [12:28] ` [12:28] - [12:28] root [25] ` [12:28] ROOT_prompt_25:1:1: error: expected expression [12:28] ` [12:28] ^ [12:31] https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/bcNCWt2yHH/ [12:31] nochmal verkürzt [12:32] ` [12:33] Execution of your code was aborted. [12:33] root [28] ; [12:33] root [29] [12:33] why are you posting this, brenndo ? [12:33] oh im owner off the ubuntu root [12:33] i should say [12:36] ` was an expected expression and he accept ; - `and so on till he arborted like me before ;D [12:36] so there is no support question in there? [12:37] for u we can minimize whole worldnet on 1distribution ritzl, with root, echo and comod [12:38] no more packages yeah [12:38] * # [12:38] please no random words, this is ubuntu support. [12:41] man bash [12:41] !ops | brenndo random rant [12:41] brenndo random rant: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant [12:42] random rand is comod to ritzl but only in root u comod with device [12:43] rant [12:54] no surprise that people started with slackware, when choices at the time could be counted on one hand of somebody who lost some fingers [12:57] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vGVnHkTjIvJJnHeVUC77MfXR3HBpyern/view?usp=drive_link [12:58] is a short video for you [13:23] https://bpa.st/J2AGQ [13:25] oops, wrong channel on my comment [13:25] how u make only one ping in terminal without STR+C [13:26] -c count [13:26] Stop after sending count ECHO_REQUEST packets. With deadline option, ping waits for count ECHO_REPLY packets, until the timeout expires. [13:26] oh sorry. basically -c [13:26] you were fast and i set u recard [13:26] not sure how that messages arrived on IRC [13:49] ping IP -c and then? [13:50] ping ip -c t- count replys [13:50] you could just type "man ping" and find out [13:50] ok [13:58] ping -c3 8.8.8.8 [14:01] jo bei dir vllt [14:02] ping ip -c count echo request count echo_reply -w -T 1 [14:07] das mir schon zu hoch dann [14:07] !de | brenndo [14:07] brenndo: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! [14:14] [14:14] das wie punkt vor strich mit den parametern iwie [14:15] its like . before - with parameter [14:15] english please [14:15] its like point before minus with parameter [14:16] that does not make any sense [14:16] sure u need to know the order [14:16] the order is shown in the manpage [14:17] do you know how to sent 1 ping without str c [14:17] ping -c1 8.8.8.8 [14:17] brenndo: you were not only given the answer several times, but you showed that you understood it [14:18] expected expression [14:18] brenndo: please /join #ubuntu-de to ask your questions to people who speak your native language [14:18] "ping -c1 8.8.8.8" works on any linux system. so if it shows you an error you are not on linux or you typed in the wrong command [14:20] intressting but maybe u wanna steal my ping [14:20] Good luck [14:21] because u dont run any expire [14:23] maybe ping -c -t 1 ip [14:26] easy [14:26] man is doch flexible [14:27] talking to yourself? [14:27] yes [14:28] binärcode 0 1 is pragmatic i have code ` [14:28] not here please. [14:28] code - [14:29] !ot > brenndo [14:29] brenndo: Please see my private message [14:29] they've been banned from here before [14:34] @ jot [14:35] echo [14:35] brenndo: stop [14:37] Good Morning! Am I in the right place to get help with a kernel problem? [14:37] dave__: potentially [14:37] u have mod [14:38] why do you ask, brenndo ? you are just making noise [14:38] well, let's give you the basic rundown and see? [14:39] @leftyfb [14:39] Upgraded from 22.04 to 24.04.1 - on reboot it goes to a bios screen and only one monitor, shuts off the keyboard and mouse and just freezes [14:39] the root suffers for comod [14:39] !op | brenndo [14:39] brenndo: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant [14:40] dave__: if your mouse and keyboard are locking up on the BIOS screen, that's not an OS/kernel problem [14:40] kernel 6.8.0-41-generic seems to be the problem [14:40] excuse suffers [14:41] i found a tip, run bootrepair from the live iso [14:41] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair [14:41] echo [14:41] retried by selecting 5.15.0-119-generic wroks - keyboard, mouse and second monitor all work and launched into GUI [14:41] wroks = works [14:41] again, if the mouse and keyboard are locking up on the BIOS screen, that's not an OS/kernel problem [14:42] I thought you said it only boots to the bios screen? [14:42] it's a dell, so I get the dell bios logo and the ubuntu splash across the bottom - what would you call it? [14:42] root [0] comod [14:43] brenndo: knock it off. This is a support channel. [14:43] bash [14:43] some blame not finding splash file(s) by grub [14:43] downloaded the ISO and tried to boot from that - same issue, and no older kernel to roll back to [14:44] dave__: you're experiencing the same issue while booted to a live usb? Which version? [14:44] latest - just downloaded last night [14:44] ` [14:44] dave__: try 22.04 [14:45] ubuntu-24.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso [14:46] I was running 22.04 just fine. Upgraded yesterday when all this happened [14:46] dave__: try booting a 22.04 live usb [14:46] does your devices have a root [14:46] OK, I'll download it and give that a try - it will probably work since I'm on the affected computer right now [14:47] I booted into 24.04 from the older kernel [14:47] you did [14:48] also I managed to run boot repair if that's any help - I have the pastebin [14:49] open redgit in terminal and bash in [14:49] !op | brenndo [14:49] brenndo: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant [14:49] dave__: please ignore the troll [14:49] share the pastebin please [14:50] yeah sure like usual [14:51] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ppVYCVXgJw [14:59] ..... answering the door, back in a minute .... [14:59] i know your question and then i give u the answer [15:08] sigh, ssh disconnected me while apt was generating initramfs [15:08] how can i recreate? [15:11] why isnt apt doing its work in an asynchronous way, e.g. not depending on external unreliable things like tcp connections for it to complete a task? [15:11] echo [15:12] eagle one [15:13] de-facto: for crucial stuff with an ssh connection, using a terminal multiplexer like screen or tmux can be a lifesaver [15:13] to answer your question: you can try to continue the process with sudo apt -f install [15:13] wait for it [15:13] yeah but screen basically has broken backscrolling, so i never like to use that [15:14] maybe u need later [15:14] to only regenerate the files: sudo update-initramfs -u -k all [15:15] it would be much more stable if apt would take a task from an admin, then dispach that to an backend that ensures the task completes and give feedback about the status, e.g. do it work independent on a terminal or gui that may just disappear [15:15] fix in root u ask user [15:16] code ' [15:16] the "backends" are screen or tmux [15:16] and they both have a working scrollbak [15:16] *back [15:17] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8760346/how-do-i-increase-the-scrollback-buffer-in-a-running-screen-session [15:18] ITS LIMITED [15:18] @ravage [15:19] Hello [15:19] brenndo, please type /quit [15:19] no screen does not have a scrollback that works but thats another discussion. if apt needs screen or tmux to function it should integrate that into its backend [15:19] it does not [15:20] de-facto: it's not apt that needs it, it's your connection to the machine that needs it [15:21] well its the same problem when using a gui terminal and the gui crashes for example [15:21] so its a design flaw in the apt architecture if that leads to a broken system state when the apt process is a child of the invoking terminal or sshd [15:21] well i dont think we will get anywhere with this [15:22] agreed [15:22] i sent you the commands to fix the process [15:22] do you have any other support question? [15:23] the broken post install is fixed now, thanks for your help [15:23] yw === mrbutthead1 is now known as mrbutthead === DarkHelmet78 is now known as adfdsgrweadagfa === adfdsgrweadagfa is now known as DarkHelmet78 [15:30] sixwheeledbeast: Thank for your advice. "pm-suspend" is much better than "systemctl suspend". It did work properly as it should be. [15:41] is `deborphan` a reliable tool for ubuntu? it shoes me packet libclang1-15t64, but apt policy libclang1-15t64 shows installed from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble/universe amd64 Packages [15:42] sam_wong: not better, just works with your system. [15:43] arkanoid: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=deborphan [15:43] sixwheeledbeast: perhaps [15:44] ravage: what do you mean? if the packet is present in repo? yes it is. But I get no sense out of the output [15:44] arkanoid: by packet, you mean package right? [15:44] https://p.haxxors.com/s3bhowtj.txt [15:44] so i would not blindly trust it. i would like to keep those packages [15:44] arkanoid: can you pastebin the output you are referring to? [15:45] deborphan output is just "libclang1-15t64:amd64" [15:45] you can add -d to show the deps [15:45] in the end you need to decide for yourself if you want to remove it [15:45] pm-utils is no longer installed as default because systemd should have replaced it's scripts. [15:46] arkanoid: ( apt-cache policy libclang1-15t64:amd64" ; sudo deborphan ) | nc termbin.com 9999 [15:47] sixwheeledbeast: yes, I had to install pm-utils before I could use pm-suspend [15:48] sixwheeledbeast: but it only took half a minute to do the installation [15:50] leftyfb: https://termbin.com/0q3x [15:51] if orphan means that it cannot be found in enabled repo, why I get it listed in apt policy [15:51] arkanoid: so remove libclang1-15t64:amd64 [15:51] it removes a tons of software if I remove it [15:52] arkanoid: show the command you are using to remove it [15:52] sudo apt-get remove libclang1-15t64 [15:52] that's not the right command to remove libclang1-15t64:amd64 [15:53] what's the right one? [15:53] arkanoid: same command, only with the correct package name that has been suggested to remove: sudo apt-get remove libclang1-15t64:amd64 [15:54] same (I know there are no i386 variant installed) [15:54] isn' t that package part of llvm-toolchain ? [15:54] arkanoid: ( apt-cache policy libclang1-15t64 ; apt-cache policy libclang1-15t64:amd64 ) | nc termbin.com 9999 [15:55] neither are installed by default btw [15:55] https://termbin.com/wx0m [15:56] arkanoid: sudo apt remove -s libclang1-15t64:amd64 | nc termbin.com 9999 [15:57] leftyfb: https://termbin.com/f6ac [15:58] arkanoid: ok, and do you know for a fact that you need any of those packages? [15:59] sure, those are all dependencies of qgis, that I have installed from a third party repo (it's also present i official repo, but I prefer the latest version) [15:59] I can remove for the sake of clarity [16:00] but my question is why deborphan and apt policy seems to give opposite information [16:01] they don't [16:01] look its always a man behind it [16:01] brenndo: type /quit [16:01] !op | brenndo [16:01] brenndo: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant [16:02] bash [16:02] am I getting the "orphan" concept wrong? I've been taught that orpan means installed but non in enabled repos [16:02] and was comod [16:03] brenndo: stop [16:04] @ubottu echo el [16:04] brenndo: type /quit to find out more [16:05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fbJmlg0N0w [16:07] leftyfb: do you have an answer? [16:08] arkanoid: I don't. I do fresh installs and stick to mainly packages from the ubuntu repos and snaps [16:08] ok, thanks [16:16] timepoint [16:23] btw deborphan, aptitude and synapic all give different concepts of "local" and "orphaned" [16:24] I need some refresh on the context, which official documentation page would you suggest to get the real answer? [16:27] arkanoid: remove aptitude with prejudice [16:28]