| adrien | \o | 15:00 |
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| dbungert | o/ | 15:00 |
| zhsj | o/ | 15:00 |
| ginggs | o/ | 15:00 |
| ogayot | o/ | 15:00 |
| liushuyu | o/ | 15:01 |
| ravikant_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| mateus-morais | o/ | 15:01 |
| bdrung | \o | 15:01 |
| dviererbe | o/ | 15:01 |
| enr0n | o/ | 15:02 |
| dbungert | #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team | 15:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 15:02:17 UTC. The chair is dbungert. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 15:02 |
| dbungert | #topic Lightning rounds | 15:02 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick | 15:02 |
| dbungert | #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-09-05/47785/2 | 15:02 |
| juliank | oh thanks dbungert I'm in the u-r-u mantic->noble testing | 15:03 |
| dbungert | sure thing | 15:04 |
| slyon | o/ | 15:04 |
| bdrung | i like the "Fun with flags" in ginggs report :D | 15:06 |
| ginggs | it wasn't much fun | 15:07 |
| dbungert | #topic Release incoming bugs | 15:11 |
| dbungert | #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-oo-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 15:11 |
| dbungert | LP: #2078449 | 15:11 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2078449 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "If packages are marked hold, we should tell the user and not upgrade by default" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2078449 | 15:11 | |
| enr0n | juliank: you opened that one | 15:12 |
| vorlon | I thought the current behavior is already that it doesn't upgrade | 15:13 |
| vorlon | it just doesn't explain why | 15:13 |
| vorlon | (I have a package on my system that I hold, and had to un-hold most recently for mantic->noble) | 15:13 |
| schopin | juliank: do you happen to have references to the 2 or 3 bugs mentioned? | 15:13 |
| dbungert | will tag it for investigation | 15:15 |
| adrien | he mentioned libpipewire-0.3-0t64 I think | 15:15 |
| dbungert | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/2078555 | 15:15 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2078555 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Upgrading from 22.04 to 24.04.01 breaks dnsmasq" [High, Confirmed] | 15:15 | |
| juliank | Sorry | 15:15 |
| adrien | or maybe I mix things up, not entirely sure | 15:15 |
| juliank | schopin: I failed to record them | 15:15 |
| schopin | that's OK, I guess we can look through them manually. | 15:16 |
| vorlon | I think LP: #2078555 is wontfix. systemd-resolved only binds to a specific address to allow for other local resolvers | 15:17 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2078555 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Upgrading from 22.04 to 24.04.01 breaks dnsmasq" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2078555 | 15:17 | |
| schopin | Still, it feels like a bug that it re-enabled itself? | 15:18 |
| juliank | So I looked at it and we have a quirk to install it explciitöy | 15:18 |
| juliank | data/DistUpgrade.cfg.jammy | 15:18 |
| juliank | 37:PostUpgradeInstall=systemd-resolved | 15:18 |
| vorlon | it should be installed | 15:19 |
| vorlon | I guess if the correct package interfaces were used to disable it, and those didn't translate because of the move to a new package, that's a bug | 15:19 |
| vorlon | I don't think it's a high-priority bug tho | 15:19 |
| slyon | Right, we've had a bunch of bugreports where sd-resolved was missing (after it was split out as a separate package), I guess that's why we have the quirk now | 15:19 |
| dbungert | triaged-medium no foundations todo? | 15:20 |
| vorlon | ^ +1 | 15:20 |
| dbungert | k | 15:20 |
| dbungert | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/2078436 | 15:20 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2078436 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Reject upgrades if packages are installed in a higher version than the target release" [Undecided, New] | 15:20 | |
| juliank | Oh yeah because systemd is upgraded first and then systemd-resolved is installed, the old data is gone | 15:20 |
| juliank | So yes, about half of the upgrade bugs are people having newer versions of pipewire installed | 15:21 |
| juliank | Newer versions in 22.04 than available in noble | 15:21 |
| juliank | So if we do that it cuts down bug triage accordingly | 15:21 |
| dbungert | tagging todo | 15:24 |
| dbungert | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/2078619 | 15:24 |
| schopin | Doesn't feel like a high-prio item either (although people doing u-r-u triage might disagree) | 15:24 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2078619 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "stale mirror prevents upgrades" [Undecided, New] | 15:24 | |
| schopin | To put on the roadmap for 25.04? | 15:26 |
| enr0n | yeah that's another common issue. Seems like we could do better for sure. | 15:26 |
| dbungert | we're contending with similar mirror problems in subiquity, and looking at using mirror+ to help, maybe we want that here? | 15:27 |
| bdrung | Printing an error message to the user instead of crashing would be useful. | 15:27 |
| vorlon | 'mirror+'? | 15:27 |
| dbungert | apt-transport-mirror | 15:27 |
| ogayot | apt-transport-mirror (mirror+file:/) | 15:28 |
| juliank | mirror+file:/ is magic | 15:28 |
| cpete | hey ogayot I think we found a mirror to test | 15:28 |
| vorlon | I mistrust magic | 15:28 |
| dbungert | hah | 15:28 |
| juliank | Anyhow the question here is if we fail to set the mirror, should we just try archive.ubuntu.com | 15:28 |
| juliank | There is some fallback already, but it doesn't handle all cases | 15:28 |
| schopin | Here the mirror itself is stale, do we have the necessary data to detect that? | 15:29 |
| ogayot | cpete: I'll play around with it :) | 15:29 |
| bdrung | Probably better include the user here to allow them to pick a new mirror. | 15:29 |
| juliank | schopin: In the sense that it does not contain the new release, yes | 15:29 |
| vorlon | was this an official mirror at the time the user configured it? | 15:29 |
| schopin | Ah. Yes, of course -_- | 15:29 |
| juliank | For the other case, once my valid-until change lands we can enable it for -updates too | 15:29 |
| vorlon | or do they have a broken local mirror config | 15:29 |
| vorlon | I'm not sure I approve of more magic here in general | 15:29 |
| vorlon | trying to fall back to archive.u.c could also fail in the case of a corporate network; it's not like there's a guaranteed "fix" | 15:30 |
| juliank | It's still better than aborting and telling the user to file a bug | 15:30 |
| enr0n | hm good point, I can't remember off the top off my head if we check if the current mirror has been removed from the official mirror list | 15:30 |
| enr0n | but I see this with non-local mirrors often | 15:31 |
| vorlon | juliank: yes, we should not tell them to file a bug :) | 15:31 |
| juliank | In any case we need to do something | 15:31 |
| dbungert | tagging todo | 15:31 |
| juliank | We can just tell them to pick a new mirror if we don't find the base-files | 15:32 |
| dbungert | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-gcp/+bug/2078720 | 15:32 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2078720 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Upgrading from jammy to noble results in a linux-headers package being in a broken state" [Undecided, Triaged] | 15:32 | |
| juliank | Julian has fixes ready | 15:32 |
| juliank | I guess we don't need to tag it todo really | 15:32 |
| schopin | Is Julian talking about himself at the third person? :P | 15:33 |
| schopin | s/at/in | 15:34 |
| adrien | the cat is named Julian | 15:34 |
| vorlon | dbungert: ? | 15:35 |
| juliank | We are talking about ourselves in various persons | 15:35 |
| dbungert | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/2078589 | 15:36 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2078589 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "fight: desktop-base vs kubuntu-settings-desktop vs fontconfig-common:" [Undecided, Confirmed] | 15:36 | |
| juliank | This needs a long spike | 15:36 |
| juliank | This is breaking quite a bunch of kubuntu and ubuntu studio flavor upgrades | 15:36 |
| vorlon | so take it? | 15:38 |
| dbungert | tagging | 15:38 |
| juliank | Yes | 15:38 |
| dbungert | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/2078378 | 15:38 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2078378 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "No mirror configured after sources.list rewriting" [Undecided, Triaged] | 15:38 | |
| schopin | do we have a repro for this? | 15:39 |
| juliank | The sources.list looked correct here | 15:39 |
| juliank | schopin: The tarball should reproduce it | 15:39 |
| enr0n | I think this is saying the mirror is out of date too | 15:39 |
| enr0n | hmm maybe not | 15:40 |
| juliank | No, we did not rewrite the jammy entry for some reason only jammy-updates | 15:40 |
| juliank | all of them exist on the mirror | 15:40 |
| juliank | But I did not investigate why it was only rewriting some | 15:41 |
| dbungert | think we should tag this one as well | 15:41 |
| juliank | +1 | 15:41 |
| dbungert | I want to cut off there, for proposed-migration | 15:41 |
| dbungert | #topic Team proposed-migration report | 15:41 |
| dbungert | #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs | 15:41 |
| dbungert | vorlon: | 15:41 |
| juliank | We have like 3 packages | 15:41 |
| enr0n | fwiw, for the previous bug, it | 15:42 |
| vorlon | libselinux/libsemanage just waiting for ruby-defaults | 15:42 |
| enr0n | is because it's not an official mirror. So I guess there is logic for that | 15:42 |
| vorlon | setuptools, were these assigned out already? | 15:42 |
| vorlon | sl-modem uh cough | 15:43 |
| juliank | I wanted to ping tj aalton on this but got distracted by u-r-u | 15:45 |
| vorlon | setuptools vs guessit: r41k0u | 15:46 |
| vorlon | setuptools vs isodate: adrien | 15:46 |
| vorlon | setuptools vs macsyfinder still with chriscoulson | 15:46 |
| vorlon | setuptools vs mailman-hyperkitty with bdrung | 15:47 |
| vorlon | setuptools vs manuel with mwhudson | 15:47 |
| vorlon | setuptools vs prometheus-xmpp-alerts with tobhe | 15:47 |
| bdrung | setuptools should retry against the fixed mailman-hyperkitty that I uploaded | 15:47 |
| vorlon | setuptools vs pylint with andersson123 | 15:47 |
| vorlon | setuptools vs python-mpegdash with rkratky | 15:48 |
| vorlon | setuptools vs stopit: I'll take | 15:48 |
| vorlon | setuptools vs python-svg.path: ginggs | 15:48 |
| ginggs | vorlon: are you reassigning some of these? | 15:49 |
| vorlon | ginggs: no just restating | 15:49 |
| vorlon | setuptools vs software-properties: this was created last week but is unassigned? | 15:49 |
| r41k0u | is setuptools vs guessit not done? - https://tracker.debian.org/news/1561888/accepted-guessit-380-3-source-into-unstable/ | 15:49 |
| vorlon | so xypron | 15:49 |
| pushkarnk | I've got an MP up for setuptools vs python-svg.path | 15:49 |
| r41k0u | I think it is resolved by a debian sync | 15:49 |
| vorlon | r41k0u: unstable is not oracular-proposed, and it's only resolved once tests get rerun in Ubuntu showing that they now pass | 15:50 |
| vorlon | r41k0u: so this probably just needs tests rerun | 15:50 |
| bdrung | i'll have a look at the python-svg.path MP | 15:50 |
| ginggs | vorlon: juliank said there's already a card for software-properties | 15:50 |
| pushkarnk | thanks bdrung | 15:50 |
| vorlon | ginggs: yes but it was unassigned | 15:50 |
| ginggs | vorlon: no, another one. juliank do you have it? | 15:51 |
| vorlon | finally, sl-modem vs dkms: mkukri | 15:51 |
| juliank | I do not have it yet I am focusing on upgrade bugs | 15:52 |
| vorlon | dbungert: that's all | 15:52 |
| vorlon | now who uploaded ubiquity, it's time to remove that package from oracular | 15:52 |
| dbungert | #topic AOB | 15:52 |
| ginggs | juliank: i mean the number of the jira card | 15:52 |
| juliank | yes I know | 15:52 |
| vorlon | waveform: ^^ please turn your ubiquity upload into a removal request :) | 15:52 |
| juliank | this is bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/2077940 | 15:53 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2077940 in software-properties (Ubuntu Oracular) "setuptools v72 removed the test command" [High, Triaged] | 15:53 | |
| juliank | that maps to FR-8752 | 15:53 |
| ginggs | juliank: thanks | 15:54 |
| dbungert | seems like we're done | 15:54 |
| dbungert | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 15:54:55 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-09-05-15.02.moin.txt | 15:54 |
| Bashing-om | kil | 20:00 |
| Bashing-om | kil | 20:00 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: :D | 20:02 |
| zmef | hiya | 20:02 |
| zmef | i was just reading your wiki page | 20:03 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Presently awaiting the board members to make their appearances :D | 20:04 |
| zmef | no worries at all sir | 20:04 |
| zmef | happy to even be here | 20:04 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: I been around for a while now in the real world. | 20:04 |
| zmef | have you updated your box since making that wiki post? | 20:05 |
| zmef | you are probably on a command line client as we chat here today eh? | 20:06 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Recently upgraded to a Asus box with 32 Gigs of onboard ram :D | 20:06 |
| zmef | swet | 20:06 |
| zmef | sweet | 20:06 |
| zmef | i just got a new box recently too | 20:06 |
| zmef | been limping along with an old diy box for years | 20:06 |
| zmef | i wasn't really much of a user for the past 10 years or so | 20:07 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: to be honest - cut my teeth on the command line and have never been too comfortable with the GUI. | 20:07 |
| zmef | just recently fell back into the hobby after being laid off | 20:07 |
| zmef | i've heard that plenty of times | 20:07 |
| zmef | i'm a bit long in the tooth myself | 20:08 |
| zmef | im a gui guy | 20:08 |
| zmef | of course, i love the command line, but i'm progressive | 20:08 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: How did you happen to upgrade your box ? | 20:08 |
| zmef | what can i say | 20:08 |
| zmef | i started attending school | 20:08 |
| zmef | a cybersecurity bootcamp at first | 20:09 |
| zmef | now im finishing my degree | 20:09 |
| zmef | my daughter and her signifigant other came over, and they clowned my computer with its measley 8 gigs of ram | 20:09 |
| zmef | so i upgraded to 16, but was still unable to run virtualized systems since to cpu was ancient | 20:10 |
| zmef | i feel like 32 gigs of ram i can do anything now | 20:11 |
| zmef | Bashing-om: how did you get involved in the newsletter? | 20:11 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Way baxk when I instlled a *ONE* Gig expansion board - was in high cotton ! | 20:12 |
| zmef | lol | 20:12 |
| zmef | i remember getting an external 56k modem, the excitement i felt! i was 13 | 20:13 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: UWN: When the last editors burned out - I got volunteered to take up the task :D | 20:13 |
| zmef | i see | 20:14 |
| zmef | i recently decided to become more active in the ubuntu community after attempting to join the Illinois LoCo | 20:14 |
| zmef | i was bumbed to see hardly anyone active | 20:15 |
| zmef | messaged the leader and he had moved away, so i asked if i could take the lead | 20:15 |
| zmef | made me take a pic at a midwest cultural icon | 20:16 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Still not enough showed up today for quorum - getting past concerned :( | 20:16 |
| zmef | i read that was a possibility | 20:16 |
| zmef | people have lives, it's a whole thing | 20:16 |
| zmef | my whole household recently succumbed to a bug of soem sort so we are self quarantined | 20:17 |
| zmef | been hacking away all day! | 20:18 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: I have followed your Illinois LoCo adventure on Discourse - impressive your preserverance:) | 20:18 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Let's not do the Covid thing - real bad news that ! | 20:19 |
| zmef | i'm excited for this event, Software Freedom Day, the local ham club puts on the Midwest Superfest | 20:19 |
| zmef | a big nerd swap meet | 20:19 |
| zmef | years ago i would set up a table there for my local Linux user group | 20:20 |
| zmef | decided to go ahead and do it again | 20:21 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Good prep == Good preformance - we covered it in the NewsLetter :P | 20:21 |
| zmef | indeed | 20:21 |
| zmef | myself, i always plan to fail | 20:21 |
| zmef | then, you either succeed or things go to plan | 20:21 |
| zmef | either way it's a win! | 20:21 |
| zmef | i am a work in progress in this practice of life | 20:22 |
| zmef | ;-) | 20:22 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Me - I plan in the event of failure >> Plan B :P | 20:22 |
| zmef | backups are always smart | 20:22 |
| zmef | "two is one" and all that fuss | 20:23 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: In my former life I did learn the lessons of good back up - the hard way ! .. Now a days I keep 3 backups ! | 20:24 |
| zmef | i can't tell a lie, i rarely back up anything | 20:26 |
| zmef | including my tech! | 20:26 |
| zmef | my digital life can disapear. deep down i'm an analog guy ;-) | 20:27 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: You will pay the price - just wait till you loose your wedding pics - "In the dog house now " ! | 20:28 |
| zmef | lol | 20:28 |
| zmef | those are all in albums | 20:28 |
| zmef | besides, material life is fleeting. holding on to it all only leads to pain. i love and let go,...when i can | 20:29 |
| zmef | and i stay in the dog haus bru | 20:29 |
| zmef | me and ole rover | 20:29 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Get our age and one realizes that all is fleeting. King Solomon said it right ! | 20:30 |
| zmef | i'm currently in a zoom where a brilliant fellow by the name of hal pomerranz is teaching linux to beginers. really great stuff. guy is super smart. | 20:30 |
| zmef | what he say? cut that baby in half? | 20:31 |
| zmef | lol | 20:31 |
| Bashing-om | ^ got to the boytom of things, huh ? | 20:32 |
| Bashing-om | bottom* | 20:32 |
| zmef | you are a fun guy | 20:33 |
| zmef | glad we got this chance to chat | 20:34 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Looks as if there is a failure to communicate - no meeting this day - how do you want to proceed ? In a hurry to see if your application is accepted ? | 20:35 |
| zmef | Naw, I am assuming it won't. Gotta start somewhere though. | 20:36 |
| zmef | I ain't rushing nothing | 20:36 |
| zmef | :-) | 20:36 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: reschedule for October meeting times ? sound doable ? | 20:38 |
| zmef | for sure! thanks Bashing-om | 20:38 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Just so you are aware - I could push this to the mailing list for voting - but I do not feel that your chanaces there are as good as would be here. | 20:40 |
| zmef | oh, ok. thanks for that. | 20:40 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Then - here in a bit or so _ will reset your appointment to the 3rd of October - same time slot. | 20:42 |
| zmef | i will set it up as soon as octobers slots are listed | 20:43 |
| zmef | perhaps the 22:00 UTC meeting | 20:44 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Ack - Be a bit before I get A-round-2-it :P | 20:44 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: The board is now in your debt - how ever you want to set it up :P | 20:45 |
| zmef | lol | 20:46 |
| zmef | been a hoot man | 20:46 |
| zmef | thanks | 20:46 |
| Bashing-om | zmef: Is a problem in that only 3 of us showed up to render your honors ! | 20:47 |
| Bashing-om | Releasing this channel ATT for other meetings // zmef take care see ya soonest. | 20:49 |
| zmef | bye | 20:50 |
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