=== Paccoco6 is now known as Paccoco === mrbutthead7 is now known as mrbutthead [02:08] hey [02:57] hello, need help, the older ubuntu 22.04 won't boot and won't show up in bios. I booted from 24.04 live cd and installed ubuntu onto an external drive. After that my old linux isn't shown in the bios and only windows is bootable. I tried to start the live cd again, mount my old root partition, chroot into it and grub-install but that didn't do [02:57] anything, still cannot boot the older ubuntu [02:59] You can check with gparted if the old linux partitions are still on the disk. [02:59] it is [03:00] as i said i can chroot into it [03:00] try to mount the old root partition / (like /dev/sdaX) to /mnt to see tif the filesystem is still on it. [03:00] Ha ok. [03:01] weird, you need to try to fix grub with the documentation on the site, or bootrepair grub config, and it should boot the old linux then. [03:01] if it does not, it means there is some broken files or kernel on your old / partition [03:05] bios does not see the boot entry for the old installed ubuntu because it was replaced with the newer one on the external hard drive I suppose [03:12] EFI boot stuff, reinstall grub from your chroot of your old linux === Guest64 is now known as ligma === Juesto is now known as Juest === antonispgs0 is now known as antonispgs [05:32] hi, it looks like the version of filezilla in the current 22.04 install repo is behind [05:35] Great Scott! [05:36] What does that mean tho? What is the install repo, and what is it behind? [05:37] Ubuntu 22.04 repo has 3.58.0-1 and 24.04 has 3.66.5-2build2 gebbione [05:37] 3.67.1-2 is being tested in ocular.... [05:37] The latest stable version of FileZilla Client is 3.67.1 [05:37] in 22.04 i am experiencing some bugs [05:38] so maybe that was fixed at least in 3.66 [05:38] You understand that Ubuntu LTS rarely upgrades versions during the release cycle, only updates are security fixes and critical bugs. [05:38] And indeed the version in jammy has received scurity updates [05:38] thats what the "ubuntu0.1" at the end of the version number means [05:39] aditionally, its a universe package.... [05:41] If its critical to you to have a newer version in 22.04, there's a few options. You could try to backport from noble or oracular source package. You could check if there is a snap (snap search filezilla) or a flatpak, which indeed is 3.66.1 [06:05] enigma9o7, thanks [06:21] enigma9o7, snap gives me version 3.48, not latest [06:22] were you referring to a flatpack or snap? [06:22] wow, snap even older than ubuntu repos it seems. [06:22] flatpak is 3.66.1, I don't have snap installed so didn't search it [06:23] flatpack you mean a zip or deb? from where [06:23] or is flatpack another repo packaging like snap? [06:24] `sudo apt install flatpak` then add flathub repo `flatpak remote-add flathub https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo` then `flatpak install filezilla` [06:24] i had no idea it was a thing [06:24] Note it won't appear in your menu until you reboot (only necessary the first time you install flatpak itself). If you want a gui for it `sudo apt install gnome-software-plugin-flatpak` [06:25] And yes, flatpak is another thing similar to snap. flathub is the biggest repo, you can check out their website to see what's available without installing it flathub.org [06:26] there are other repos you can add, but they're mostly for things likely nightly versions of apps, for example gnome has a nighly flatpak repo for trying their latest apps. [07:58] I cannot boot ubuntu 24.04 installed on an external ssd even though bios see it. After bios screen goes black and computer silently reboots unless I select existing ubuntu installation in bios. From that existing installation grub menu I can select that external ssd and boot into it without any problem. Only bios cannot boot it. What can it be? [07:58] Same ssd boots fine on 2 other machines though [07:59] existing ubuntu installation is 22.04 [08:03] bootable flag is set to efi partition === mateus-morais0 is now known as mateus-morais === kiska38 is now known as kiska3 === vorteckz_ is now known as vorteckz === SirLouen7 is now known as SirLouen === vincejv_ is now known as vincejv === zzzeee_ is now known as zzzeee === tec3 is now known as tec === runbgp6 is now known as runbgp === noah33654 is now known as noah3365 === kimiamania20 is now known as kimiamania2 === driib318 is now known as driib31 === ulna9 is now known as ulna === Casper26_ is now known as Casper26 === Xlusive_ is now known as Xlusive === DeepThoughts9890 is now known as DeepThoughts989 === unixeng668313 is now known as unixeng66831 === ThothCastel_ is now known as ThothCastel === patviafore_ is now known as patviafore === elichai2_ is now known as elichai2 === cambam10056 is now known as cambam1005 === silas_ is now known as silas === ad1m4 is now known as ad1m === zniavre_ is now known as zniavre === kentucky44424 is now known as kentucky4442 === antonispgs7 is now known as antonispgs === [[R]] is now known as rbox === JeremyD is now known as SleePy === Douwd` is now known as Douwd === PeGaSuS_ is now known as PeGaSuS === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy === McPeter_ is now known as McPeter === _Alpha is now known as `Alpha === `Alpha is now known as Alpha [11:43] Hi all [12:24] so i have a fresh ubuntu install.. and my cpu loads show 1.00 all the time .. === enyc_ is now known as enyc [12:28] 16:27:45 up 18 min, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 0.75 [12:28] and its doing absolutely nothing [12:36] Assid: sure it does, run top and see the first line which process is working [12:40] https://pasteboard.co/UWkU4unmT5fl.png [12:45] Assid: (top 5 processes by memory usage, paste output) ps -eo pmem,pcpu,vsize,pid,cmd | sort -k 1 -nr | head -5 [12:49] https://pastebin.com/pDiYLsNq [12:51] i stopped ntpsec as well [12:51] looks ok, dbus woring time protocol, cron. Why are you logged on as root? [12:51] *working [12:52] need to set things up.. but shouldnt affect loads [12:53] you have 338 tasks, most of them are sleeping. [12:53] Assid, what fs is in use ? [12:54] i have this running with zfs boot menu . with zfs root .. dual nvme mirror.. but 1 of those nvme is running at SATA speeds .. but shouldnt be a io bottle neck [12:54] zfs is the culprit probably [12:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/2057693 [12:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2057693 in zfs-linux (Ubuntu) "Activating autotrim results in high load average due to uninterruptible threads" [Undecided, Confirmed] [13:03] 1 === catties is now known as mommies === mommies is now known as catties [13:38] Facciamo ex chat su tele.gram: Giorgia6k [13:56] Hey all, can anyone assist with a boot repair issue? [13:58] caterhamfan: Have you tried the boot repair program? [13:58] caterhamfan: what's the issue? [13:59] Yes, however, it still won't get past this point - https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2500622&p=14204253#post14204253 [13:59] i have the pastebin of a recent repair I tried to do - https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/tdxSvQgGbX/ [14:00] Looks like Windows uses Legacy boot and Ubuntu uses UEFI [14:04] Right now, I just want to get my ubuntu up and running again. Can just forget about Windows [14:10] caterhamfan: Can you use the grub advanced options to boot kernel 6.8.0-40 [14:10] if you can forget about Windows, remove the nvme (lines 12,13) and fix your pc again with boot repair so that it can boot ubuntu24 [14:11] grub screen does not display at all on boot up [14:11] Try the ESC key at boot [14:15] pavlos, how would i go about removing the nvme? what commands would i need? [14:16] physically remove the nvme from the m/b (screwdriver, etc.). Unless, your bios allow you to disable the nvme. [14:18] Ah, thats not an option at present. I have booted into kernel 6.8.0-40 [14:20] caterhamfan: Did it boot fine? [14:21] jeremy31, yes. It did pull come up with report a system problem dialog but its booted fine [14:21] caterhamfan: Just remove 6.8.0-41 as something is wrong with it, I can't boot it either [14:23] jeremy31, how would i do that? thank you [14:24] sudo apt remove linux-image-6.8.0-41-generic [14:24] Sono nuovo qui [14:26] jeremy31 Thank you === comph1 is now known as comph [15:12] facciamo videochiamata 5 minuti? [15:12] estoy solo por la noche [15:12] quieres conocerme [15:18] jeremy31, does booting into that kernal take a bit longer for you too? [15:20] The 6.8.0-40 boots fairly quick [15:31] jeremy31, do you happen to know what the problem was with -41 ? dkms ? [15:37] just set up a Zyxel network card on linux, it worked straight away the second try :) AQtion AQC100 chipset apparently. But how can I get more stats about it? Like meta data on the SFP+ module in it? [15:42] Hi [15:42] cbreak: ethtool -m supposedly [15:42] mybalzitch: thanks! [15:42] my older chelsio card doesn't support this, fwiw [15:43] I am considering buying a laptop MSI Creator Pro M16 (second hand), in the next weeks, and I would like to know if some people have had experience installing Ubuntu on one of them? [15:44] either MSI Creator Pro M16, or M17, or equivalent, or higher (Z series for example, https://www.xda-developers.com/msi-creatorpro-professional-nvidia-rtx/ ) [15:45] mybalzitch: doesn't seem supported here either, according to error message :( but probably the closest I can get [15:48] its weird I can't poll it, considering this card claims to support 40g [15:49] cbreak: see which driver is loaded for the net card, then modinfo [15:49] I have 10GBit SFP+ module in it, and the same on the other side can be queried by the router, so it's probably a linux driver / userland issue, or something with my card [15:50] pavlos: atlantic apparently. [15:50] so modinfo atlantic [15:51] the output of that tool tells me nothing :( anything specific I shsould look for? === artmia is now known as do-release-upgra [15:51] it should list parm: [15:52] https://github.com/Aquantia/AQtion [15:52] it lists three of them, aq_itr:Interrupt throttling mode (uint), aq_itr_tx:TX interrupt throttle rate (uint) and aq_itr_rx:RX interrupt throttle rate (uint). Very low level driver parameters I think [15:52] https://docs.kernel.org/networking/device_drivers/ethernet/aquantia/atlantic.html [15:54] melodie: I found two links on a different model. The links are 3 and 2 years old: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/pyey6m/newer_kernels_do_not_detect_any_hard_drives_on/ and https://askubuntu.com/questions/1425028/installation-of-ubuntu-20-04lts-and-22-04lts-fails-on-my-msi-creator-z16-a12uet [15:55] pavlos: thanks, ethtool -S shows some interesting stats [15:56] cbreak: the kernel doc has lots of info [15:56] NDPMacBook, I found the same, I was hoping for direct experience from anyone here :D === do-release-upgra is now known as upgrade-niet [15:58] melodie: make a 24.04 bootable usb stick, test it on the laptop before you buy [15:58] I was also looking at Lenovo Thinkpad models, but they are worse and worse since IBM sold their branch to Lenovo. High models have the ram soldered, and the hight configs are reaching 4000 euros et more [16:00] its outrageous what corps think they can charge for shit nowadays === tomreyn_ is now known as tomreyn [16:11] what are some notebooks that can be recommended for ubuntu use nowadays? (at moderate prices) [16:12] not really the channel for hardware choice [16:13] the arch wiki is a good start https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Category:Laptops [16:14] McParen: I cannot recommend old thinkpads highly enough, if budget is a consideration and you don't absolutely need the newest and shiniest [16:14] McParen: this is a little OT for in here though [16:15] now the windows7/8 machines run out of updates, more fun [16:16] ioria, its frustrating. Can see others have had problems with that kernel too [16:17] If you don't need a high end machine with high end graphics there are 8th gen Intel laptops on eBay going for as little as $89.00 USD. [16:19] Also AMD GPUs are better supported in Linux than NVIDIA so even if you need graphics power you have options. There's also more and more Intel GPUs out there. The Intel Arc GPUs. [16:21] gordonjcp: I already have an "old" thinkpad, but am looking for a newer one. Do the "Ubuntu certified" machines imply that everything works? https://ubuntu.com/certified [16:23] Every of these "certified" pages have the standard disclaimer that "Standard images of Ubuntu may not work well, or at all." which makes them pretty useless. [16:24] McParen: exactly, there will always be a "your mileage may very claim" because of variations in configuration options, bios versions, firmware updates, and more [16:26] A model of any laptop often has sub-model configurations. some will ship with a touch screen, others won't. some will have a fingerprint reader, and some won't. Certified really means that thte core elements of a model should pose no significant hinderance to your daily use [16:27] okay, thanks. [16:28] fingerprint is a seperate issue, supported or not https://fprint.freedesktop.org/supported-devices.html [16:28] most commonly encountered issue with computers and linux, is manufacturers putting in BIOS or UEFI versions that the Linux Kernel has an incompatibility with [16:28] oerheks: It was an example, that information was not needed at this time. [16:34] McParen: if there is a bigger concern about compatibility, there are smaller computer manufacturers that specialize in selling computers that come equiped with Linux right out of the box. System76 and Tuxedo Computer being two frequently advertised in linux focused communities [16:35] McParen: no idea [16:35] McParen: that would involve buying something off that list instead of pulling it out of the e-waste skip and replacing its rattly old hard disk with an SSD, which is how I've got most of my laptops [16:36] McParen: as a general rule anything with a fairly "vanilla" Intel chipset that's a generation or two older than the newest is going to be pretty solid [16:39] Just about anything a few generations old should have little issue running a linux distro. Usually with that timeline, there's been ample time for those products to have been on the market and someone to create drivers or have patching guides to get it up and running. [16:47] pragmaticenigma: yup [16:54] well, that really depends on the hardware [16:58] JanC: no, it's pretty clear you're not following the conversation. you're "Well Actually..." withough anything substansive is not needed. [16:58] *your [17:00] I have hardware that is almost 10 years old & still being sold that only works by jumping through hoops (a vague DKMS driver) and even then it's very flakey [17:00] so being "old" is no guarantee [17:00] again, nothing substansive in there... you're just making noise [17:00] pragmaticenigma, you are just in for chit chat, not giving actual information. [17:11] oerheks: says the person that offers support on fingerprint readers when NO ONE asked for help on that topic. [17:11] your reactions are toxic, stop it. [17:24] I have a laptop from one of those linux-laptop companies (slimbook), and it works quite well. But not all hardware in it is supported directly in linux [17:24] then wahats the point of calling it a linux laptop [17:24] rofl [17:24] so not even that's a full guarantee (but the missing stuff is pointless, some windows helo camera thing) [17:25] rbox: I think they just resel hardware made by some other OEM, and select / test all the important parts [17:26] cbreak: depending on which one, they may only offer the driver through their custom image. the two I listed both offer their own distributions. [17:26] pragmaticenigma: yeah. Some silly camera login thing isn't worth leaving kubuntu :) [17:27] OR... they're just scamming people by claiming its "linxu laptop"... but its really not, if random things dont work [17:29] nah, there's only a few companies out there making laptops. Larger brands buy the rights to particular designs to have exclusive rights to sell them. others just buy the model and put their name plate on it. [17:32] I might have gotten a framework, but they're not sold yet here [17:33] the new frontier :'Open Source Hardware'; i think RISC-V is on its way [17:33] not even close though :/ === KNERD_ is now known as KNERD [18:47] hi [19:02] hi [19:02] what's up? === gandalf75 is now known as gandalf7 === Rubennn2 is now known as Rubennn [23:28] wild question where would the best place to ask for help with the obsidian program be? [23:29] lots of things are called obsidian, can you be more specific? [23:30] the mark down note taking program [23:30] john2003cpht: https://obsidian.md/community [23:31] thank you so very much