[02:01] is 24.04.1 available for upgrade from 22.04.4? i tried do-release-upgrade and it won't do the upgrade [02:01] Not yet. [02:03] eelstrebor: Paused: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2024-September/006225.html // Will be advised of more next week early. [02:05] thanks === Bahhumbug is now known as tfisgnag === tfisgnag is now known as Bahhumbug [02:55] hello [02:59] dannil: Your Ubuntu support question ? [03:34] test [03:35] test failed === nobaudy is now known as thurin [05:23] hello [05:24] hi [05:28] I am still experiencing bad drivers problems after managing to fix the boot at least for this laptop. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2500132 To work around the problem i had to set some boot option to force some type of drivers but i have just run an update and i see MESA updates. How can I establish if it is safe to remove these options from boot and if a driver specific for this hardware exists now? [05:55] bizmate, best way is to try. Backup your data. [06:12] hi every one [06:13] LuckyMan, is there a way to check commits of a repo where drivers are deployed? [06:16] bizmate, I guess so [06:17] but drivers are mostly incorporated in the kernel, so check the kernel git [06:18] https://git.kernel.org/ [06:24] LuckyMan, there are many repos there. Not sure what I am looking at [06:31] bizmate, just do a uname -a on the terminal and check your kernel version [06:32] also, Ubuntu uses a specialized kernel [06:33] so some of the "drivers" on Ubuntu might be different === TechBeardNC_ is now known as TechBeardNC === antonispgs5 is now known as antonispgs [10:05] i installed miniflux via this https://miniflux.app/docs/docker.html but port is not listening [10:06] i cannot access the page [10:06] it is saying refused [10:15] nvm [10:52] Hi,I can't find the gnome shell extension hidden top bar on Ubuntu 24.04.1. [10:54] hi, gnome sucks balls [10:55] commitjoke1241: this is a support channel. [10:55] and please mind the language [10:58] comlord: do you mean https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/545/hide-top-bar/ ? [11:02] tomreyn, yes. [11:03] !info gnome-shell noble [11:03] gnome-shell (46.0-0ubuntu6~24.04.4, noble): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Built by gnome-shell. Size 930 kB / 6,673 kB. (Only available for linux-any.) [11:04] version 46 (which 24.04 uses) is said to be supported by this gnome-shell extension, so you can just install it from that page. [11:07] tomreyn, I'll try installing it, thank you!:) [11:07] you're welcome [11:23] I'm installing weechat, following th instructions from https://weechat.org/download/debian/. but when it comes to the past of `sudo gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/weechat-archive-keyring.gpg --keyserver hkps://keys.openpgp.org --recv-keys 11E9DE8848F2B65222AA75B8D1820DB22A11534E`, I'm getting this: https://0bin.xyz/IMWUBCJX7P3YO23ULLCGBEVTPM [11:24] nvm.. it was a PEBCAK [11:25] echo "deb-src [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/weechat-archive-keyring.gpg] https://weechat.org/ubuntu noble main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/weechat.list [12:02] Hi all [12:14] hi, does do-release-upgrade work for 22.04 LTS -> 24.04 LTS now? [12:17] It will work once the upgrade is available. If running the command yields no upgrade, it hasn't been made available again [12:18] jelly, I have successfully upgraded. [12:18] comlord: the upgrade was withdrawn earlier this week [12:20] pragmaticenigma, I upgraded yesterday, you can try again. [12:24] comlord: Until it's readded to this file, which the upgrade tool uses for release availability, no official upgrade is available yet. https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts [12:26] The only indication of what is going on is this thread on the mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2024-September/006226.html [12:28] i think is about libapt-pkg6.0; someone got over it enabling -proposed (not recommended ofc) [12:41] raghavgururajan, My upgrade method: sudo apt update&sudo apt upgrade -y&sudo do-release-upgrade -d [12:44] comlord: that's not the upgrade, -d is for the development release [12:51] pragmaticenigma, I did upgrade to Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS noble using it.：）I also received the same prompt as you earlier. [12:52] comlord: that's fine, but with there currently being an issue with one of the packages that would be in that upgrade set, it's a risky suggestion for others. [12:54] comlord: the issue, as was mentioned earlier, is a problem with apt's solver. if you're lucky enough not to have packages on your system to trigger the bug, you were lucky that nothing adversely happened to you. [12:57] pragmaticenigma, Yes, I feel great using it. Good luck! [13:01] comlord, noice, thanks for the data point but I want it to work w/o -d [13:04] I kind of expected .1 point release to be simultaneous to the possibility of release upgrade. My secondary workstation is on 22.04 and waiting to test. My primary is still on 20.04. [13:06] I usually wait until the fall release comes out before starting the upgrade on my LTS machines. [13:08] AIUI it's already been delayed, then was available for a few days then withdrawn. [13:08] good === scottpedia42 is now known as scottpedia [13:40] jelly, release is always a thursday, normal upgrades from prior release usually don't open until early subsequent week at earliest; most LTSes usually open weeks later though (first few days is because teams worked hard to get ISO out for new installs; they have a few days off before upgrades open & they're back onboard for any problems..) [13:41] ie. .1 point release & instant upgrade opening would be an exception & not normal practice (in my experience anyway) [13:43] Hi all. I'm curious if anybody has had any luck getting sound to work on Dell XPS 14 9440. I have managed to get it to work via headphones but not the speaker (it just shows dummy audio output in pavucontrol). The controller is Intel Corporation Meteor Lake-P HD Audio Controller. === hype_ is now known as hype [14:42] hii [14:43] uhm, question [14:43] I'm running 22.04LTS and i think the latest kernel version doesnt go well with my first gen i5 M 520 [14:45] it's the same issue as i originally had with 5.15.0-25 i think? [14:48] Kuro403, do you mean 6.8.0.41 ? [14:48] 6.8.0.40 i think ioria [14:48] though the problem has persisted since i updated to 6.5.* i think? [14:48] the latest is -41 for hwe on 22.04 [14:49] using the boot option for 5.17.9 it works like a charm [14:49] 41? [14:49] oops [14:50] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404695/ubuntu-22-04-linux-kernel-5-15-0-freezing-on-laptop-with-1st-gen-core-i5-inte [14:50] same issue and same hardware as this thread tbh [14:51] Kuro403, ok, what's your actual problem with the latest kernel ? [14:52] system freezes [14:52] becomes fully unresponsive [14:52] even the off button or keyboard combosdont work anymore [14:53] happens somewhere between 20 seconds to two minutes after being fully booted up [14:53] happens every time [14:53] Kuro403, uname -r [14:53] currently on [14:54] 5.17.9-051709-generic [14:54] if i let the default kernel option boot it'd freeze and i couldn't possibly join IRC [14:54] i can reboot into it and try to check if needed [14:54] Kuro403, dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999 [14:54] but it will be a couple minutes before i'm back in that case [14:55] http://termbin.com/385z [14:56] pretty sure the issue persists with 6.5.0-45 too [14:56] but i can check if i have to [14:58] Kuro403, are you fully updated ? sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade [15:01] fully updated [15:01] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed [15:02] Kuro403, do you know how to boot with 'nomodeset' ? [15:02] nop [15:05] Kuro403, sudo nano /etc/default/grub and add 'nomodeset' after 'quiet splash' in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line; then run sudo update-grub [15:06] space between nomodeset and quiet splash? [15:07] yes [15:07] done [15:08] reboot and go with default boot option? [15:08] Kuro403, run sudo update-grub [15:08] did that too yeah ofc [15:08] Kuro403, ok, boot the -40 kernel [15:08] the latest one? [15:08] yes [15:08] alright, will be back somewhere between 2 and 5 minutes, thanks. [15:08] ok [15:16] well well well [15:16] my uptime is a minute already [15:16] or something [15:16] i forget how to check [15:16] doesnt seem to freeze yet [15:18] ioria are you still here? === cm-t1 is now known as cm-t [15:22] Kuro403, yes [15:22] Kuro403, maybe an intel graphic issue; you don't have a discrete card, right ? [15:27] no, don't have a discrete card tbh [15:27] how so? [15:28] Kuro403, what's the model ? Lenovo t410 (intel i5 M520) [15:28] maybe just get a kernel log from an erroneuous run, less back and forth [15:29] yeah a t410 [15:30] Kuro403: could you run journalctl --list-boots and identify a boot where you booted with the current kernel but without nomodeset and the system froze? [15:31] the current kernel (which i think is HWE) or the GA kernel, either should work. [15:32] you only seem to have the HWE kernel installed, though [15:33] i can check that in a few minutes [15:33] gotta afk for a bit [15:58] i think i found one [15:58] now what do i do with it? [15:58] !paste | Kuro403 [15:58] Kuro403: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://bpa.st | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [15:58] uhmmm [15:59] i'm not all too savvy with journalctl [15:59] i found a boot [15:59] but idk how to look at it further or exit journalctl or any of that [16:00] I'm not familiar with it either, maybe tomreyn can help you get your journalctl logs captured and posted [16:01] Kuro403: you identified the ID from the first column. pass it where it says ID here: journalctl -b ID [16:01] that's to see the log, to share it, use: journalctl -b ID | nc termbin.com 9999 [16:02] before i cna pass that ID [16:02] how to exit the current instance of journalctl [16:02] can* [16:02] press 'q' [16:03] the viewer there is "less" by default, in case you want to see its man page. [16:04] https://termbin.com/iby8 [16:04] pretty sure this is one of the boots that froze [16:05] i thinkkk [16:07] that appears to have gotten all the way to the desktop. Looks like you were running irfanview as a snap that day [16:08] though I may be misreading things [16:09] I think so [16:09] it always gets all the way to the desktop [16:09] then freezes some amount of seconds or minutes after [16:09] usually 20 seconds to 2 minutes [16:09] For some reason your computer's time jumped/fell-back 2 hours [16:10] I think a place to start is to replace the clock battery in that machine. [16:11] it time synced to server time [16:11] cmos battery? [16:11] hmm [16:11] i could, later down the line [16:11] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404695/ubuntu-22-04-linux-kernel-5-15-0-freezing-on-laptop-with-1st-gen-core-i5-inte [16:11] once more let me remind you the freezing issue is the same as the person in this question has [16:12] but because i use autologin i mean [16:12] it seems to always make it to the desktop [16:12] freezes shortly thereafter [16:12] This is not a later down the line suggestion... dead clock batteries can have a huge impact on the opreation of the computer. Your machine jumped from 05:52:29 to 03:53:30 [16:13] that sort of jump can mess with all sorts of time dependent operations, especially cryptographic operations. [16:13] As much as i'd love to replace the battery ASAP, i'm afraid a single screw is in the way. [16:14] I'm going to have to get some screw extractor bits [16:14] later this week [16:16] Kuro403, i'd try with a custom xorg.conf with the - Option "NoAccel" "True" - option [16:16] Kuro403: latest bios version is 1.45, you have 1.34. https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds013882-bios-update-bootable-cd-for-windows-8-32-bit-64-bit-7-32-bit-64-bit-vista-32-bit-64-bit-xp-thinkpad-t410-t410i [16:16] also please nevermind the temperatures uhm [16:16] i cleaned out the cooling right after seeing those [16:17] oooo a newer bios version pog [16:17] I wonder if that'd solve my woes with RAM module compatability [16:18] maybe i can finally run with 8gbs too [16:18] i can't believe i hadn't checked my bios version yet [16:19] ioria, how'd i go about that? [16:19] also should i change something about the nomodeset grub config [16:23] hmm, i'll be back in 10 minutes, hold that thought Ioria [16:23] well, either i'm back in 10 or my BIOS is bricked [16:23] pray for me [16:31] this doesn't seem to be the same issue as https://askubuntu.com/questions/1404695/ubuntu-22-04-linux-kernel-5-15-0-freezing-on-laptop-with-1st-gen-core-i5-inte if the problematic kernel version is 6.8 here (but not 5.15) [16:33] apecifically the askubuntu.comn post states that kernel version 5.15.0-25 and 5.15.0-30 run into freezes but 5.15.0-43 does not. [16:34] okay, kuro403 said they originally had the issue with 5.15.0-25. but we don't know whether they'd have it with 5.15.0-43. [16:40] If holding shift during boot doesn't bring up the grub menu, what other ways are there? [16:41] tomreyn: i think its a hardware issue.. since they're talking about memory issues and more. a stripped access screw kind of points at someone was digging around inside the machine [16:41] RTC clock drifting two hours isn't good either [16:42] Help! I did some updates today. Later using chrome got too much ram that mouse even lagging. Turned comp off with button. Now it says my cryptsetup failed bad password or options [16:42] Can't unlock 🔓 disk to start computer [16:43] pragmaticenigma: it's definitely a possibility, especially on a 15yo laptop [16:43] what is reason key h and number 4 is not apearing on my ubuntu linux 20.04 [16:44] Worker: broken keyboard? [16:45] how to fix it [16:45] new keyboard [16:45] or, less broken keyboard [16:46] nice [16:47] Kangarooo: next time you run into a situation like the one which prompted you to do the hard reset, try this instead: swich to a tty, press ctrl-alt-del. if this doesn'T work, try this instead: [16:47] !sysrq | Kangarooo [16:47] Kangarooo: In an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing slowly, in succession, S, U and B. For an explanation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key [16:49] Kangarooo: if your cryptsetup disk won't unlock, it's either due to the wrong password being entered (which cuold be a result of a different keyboard layout), it can be a result of a broken luks header, or a bad / not probperly installed update. [16:50] dhanywad may god bless you [17:01] madduck: one option people often dont know, is you can request either UEFI/BIOS or Grub from systemd. with respective --firmware-setup or --boot-loader-menu flags on the systemctl reboot command. [17:03] you can obviously edit grub to show but you would have to switch that back if you didn't want it. [17:05] @tomreyn: omg. False alarm. I was writing password the same way but not looking. I did one mistake by hand memory but missed all to one side. And I'll do tty restart since swap ram isn't automatically increased [17:06] How to make swap automatically increase? [17:09] sixwheeledbeast: unfortunately, this old system has systemd 237 [17:09] so that won't work. [17:09] I am actually just trying to reset the root password, which nobody remembers [17:13] madduck: only bios booting grub handles holding down shift. efi grub needs you to hit escape. [17:14] tomreyn: that was the key. thank you. [17:14] you're welcome [17:56] Quick question, after researching I found out that the old ntfs-3g is no longer used on newer Ubuntu's. And "big_writes" is no longer supported. However, when using normal ntfs on Ubuntu, it's still quite slow. So I added "big_writes" and it's a lot faster now. What giveS? :) [17:58] what gives what === dorian_ is now known as jfhwiejwefopjwe [17:59] rbox: why is ntfs-3g no longer supported with big_writes and what has took it's place.... thought that was obvious. [17:59] ntgs-3g is hacky garbage [18:00] the kernel has a real driver now [18:00] How do I use said driver? [18:00] step 1 mount ntfs [18:00] step 3 profit [18:00] ... really slow. yes. [18:00] Hey everyone! I'm trying to find out if kernel 6.10+ is planned to be backported to Ubuntu 22.04 ? Did a lot of research but clearly was not successful. (I'm trying to get a up to date iwlwifi driver into my system without breaking stuff..) [18:00] I get a lot better read/writes with big_writes. [18:00] so enable big writes [18:01] lmao [18:01] yeah great advice. [18:01] jfhwiejwefopjwe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [18:01] I thought the reason most distros are sticking with ntfs-3g is because it is reliable, even tho slow. Apperantly the paragon kernel driver is not well maintained or something, which is why debian (and derrivitives) not using it. [18:02] But maybe Ubuntu is using it now? [18:03] jfh: I would guess probably not, usually the last hwe kernel is the same as the one released with the next lts. [18:04] thanks already, rbox and enigma9o7. any idea on how to get current iwlwifi firmware into an older ubuntu kernel then? [18:04] jfh: another option besides mainline is 3rd party kernel like xanmod [18:04] "into"? [18:04] firmware is easier [18:05] firmware you can just install newer package, or copy it straight from linux git [18:09] The preference of ntfs-3g is because it is an opensource project, the ntfs is closed source from paragon software [18:10] you sure about that? [18:10] pretty sure the whole deal with paragon is they open sourced it and merged it directly into mainline linux [18:11] and anyone can now help maintain it just like rest of linux, but paragon themselves not taking an active enough role in doing so (at least that was what I remember from a year ago or something) [18:12] it was merged, and then I recall it got removed because linus didn't think it belonged there. [18:12] we can take this to #ubuntu-discuss if you'd like to continue [18:13] thanks again, enigma907! am I right in believing that the package backport-iwlwifi-dkms should do the trick? or do I have to look for a specific ppa? sorry for being dense.. [18:22] pragmaticenigma / enigma9o7: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/?qt=grep&q=NTFS3 suggests ntfs(3) is still in (and receiving code commits), but it's true that it was said to be "effectively orphaned" in 2022 https://www.phoronix.com/news/NTFS3-Linux-Driver-2022-Sad [18:22] (i just learnt this myself) [18:25] that's what I was thinking of tomreyn [18:25] guess it wasn't removed, but marked orphan [18:27] i don't know about then, but it seems to be actively maintained now. [18:31] good to know [20:34] did I get lucky with upgrading my laptop from 22.04.04 to 24.04 before the upgrade was pulled because yet more issues this week? [20:36] "lucky"? [20:37] can we have a dual os on a pc? [20:37] os 11 [20:37] Yes, you may. [20:38] is it accesible trough bios as before on os 11? [20:40] OS 11 is macOS I assume? I know booting macOS is sometimes tricky, but that's about all I know, sorry. Maybe someone else knows. [20:40] I do know that ubuntu can bios boot, yes. [20:40] ubuntu can do bios/legacy boot, or uefi, both work. [20:41] right yes that is on windows 10 [20:41] but bios no longer runs on 11 [20:41] unless you type on search bar [20:41] rbox: my system booted on upgrade, I guess that wasn't the case of all (like my mediastation laptop which didn't) [20:42] display from menu is completly different im trying to test on unsported windows OS to run ubuntu [20:42] well yeah if they'd botched it so bad it didnt work for anyone, that'd be pretty bad. I think only cloudstrike does that kinda thing. [20:42] not unsuported OS but drivers and some processors [20:43] It was likely a small, bug significant number of people that had issues with the upgrade before they pulled it. [20:44] yes im looking on the logs see if i find something [20:44] bbbbb: you can install ubuntu to dual boot with Win11, the installer should handle it. [20:44] my machine has been in service for quite some time she is turning 12 [20:45] vortexx does the option is display under the new bio gui created? [20:45] it now looks like im using a tablet well visualized just confusing a bit since some wordings were changed [20:46] im an old IT used to support win xp xD [20:48] hello [20:51] bbbbb: If you don't need direct hardware support (like games) then consider running Windows in a VM. With Tianocore you can have secure boot, and even emulate a TPM to keep W11 happy (and contained). [20:52] topcat001, That's actually an awesome idea! thanks for that! [20:53] Im relearning everything so alot of this stuff now makes more sense than before [20:54] I have several such VMs for testing/debugging Windows builds of our software at work, but I don't run Windows natively. I have W10, and 11 both, for example. [20:54] but some info wasnt available before and resources so its getting funner === bbbbb is now known as b3t10 [20:55] plus you get all the advantages of vm, such as snapshots etc. [20:56] niceee will look into it [20:56] gl [20:58] topcat001 thank you for the feed back will defenetly keep in mind that option i hadnt though until now [20:58] yw [20:58] been thinking about either retiring it or install ubuntu and give her few more fun last years [20:59] this was an old good toshiba [21:08] b3t10: the grub menu will list the OSes you can boot once it's loaded by the bios or the UEFI firmware [23:48] hola