| whiteda | I am running Lubuntu 22.04.5 LTS - is it now safe to upgrade to 24.04.01 LTS? | 14:30 |
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| eyeoh | probably, but what is your concern? | 14:41 |
| eyeoh | and requirements | 14:41 |
| whiteda | in the past I was always told to wait for the point 1 release before trying to upgrade my LTS. so just checking that it is ok now | 14:44 |
| whiteda | standard home user nothing special... | 14:45 |
| eyeoh | it's up to 24.04.4 | 14:48 |
| eyeoh | and that was 6 months ago? https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-22-04-4-lts-is-released/ | 14:48 |
| eyeoh | as usual, always backup, etc | 14:50 |
| whiteda | ok - Im confused Lubuntu web site has an Aug 31 announcement the 24.04.01 is ready | 14:50 |
| eyeoh | I've been reading up about Copy on Write file systems, including the snapshot features | 14:50 |
| eyeoh | can you link the website? | 14:51 |
| whiteda | oh well I will go upgrade thanks | 14:51 |
| whiteda | https://lubuntu.me/noble-1-released/ | 14:52 |
| eyeoh | oh sorry | 14:52 |
| eyeoh | I linked 22 | 14:52 |
| eyeoh | going cross-eyed | 14:52 |
| whiteda | np thanks | 14:52 |
| eyeoh | and the top post on r/lubuntu is... old | 14:52 |
| eyeoh | so much for that subreddit's reliability.. | 14:53 |
| eyeoh | I know with Ubuntu, 24.04.1 was delayed https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ubuntu+24.04.1+held+back&t=ffab&ia=web | 14:53 |
| eyeoh | whether x.1 is stable enough for you is really your own judgement call and whether you've done anything unusual to your system | 14:55 |
| eyeoh | I personally run Debian Stable on most things | 14:55 |
| eyeoh | and have confidence it'll be more stable than nearly everything, except RHEL and the non-stream variants of CentOS | 14:55 |
| eyeoh | so I've been looking into Btrfs (and maybe ZFS too) to get into the habit of taking advantage of snapshots, which would mean I should never have to worry about upgrades again | 14:56 |
| eyeoh | although to do that, I'll also need to backup before I set it up since there's a risk I'll mess it up | 14:57 |
| eyeoh | but I think in the long run, a file system that supports instant snapshots should go well for me | 14:57 |
| whiteda | I'm basic vanilla so probably safe, thanks, bye | 14:57 |
| eyeoh | enjoy | 14:57 |
| Hravnkel | Good evening! Anyone have a clue on how to solve a 4-5 minute timeout that occurs at each boot/reboot, probably related to systemd-timesyncd? | 18:43 |
| Hravnkel | Journalctl log found here: https://www.thisoldcabin.net/journalctl_systemd-timesyncd.txt | 18:44 |
| Hravnkel | (only showing the part where the timeout occurs) | 18:44 |
| Hravnkel | I've tried disabling systemd-timesyncd but alas - to no avail. | 18:44 |
| * eyeoh looks | 18:45 | |
| eyeoh | Hravnkel: run as root/sudo: systemd-analyze critical-chain | 18:45 |
| Hravnkel | Running Lubuntu on a Macbook Pro 2009. Very snappy and great install otherwise. | 18:46 |
| eyeoh | also similar: systemd-analyze blame | 18:46 |
| Hravnkel | Critical chain here: https://www.thisoldcabin.net/critical_chain.txt | 18:47 |
| Hravnkel | Blame here: https://www.thisoldcabin.net/blame.txt | 18:48 |
| eyeoh | and your most recent boot had a 4-5 minute timeout? | 18:49 |
| Hravnkel | Yep. | 18:49 |
| eyeoh | anything odd with your clock that you've noticed? | 18:49 |
| eyeoh | like wrong time zone or anything? | 18:49 |
| Hravnkel | No, I haven't experienced anything strange there. | 18:50 |
| eyeoh | which lubuntu is it? | 18:52 |
| Hravnkel | Noble Numbat I believe | 18:53 |
| Hravnkel | Sry must double check! | 18:53 |
| Hravnkel | Yeah, Noble Numbat it is. | 18:53 |
| Hravnkel | So 24.04 stable. | 18:54 |
| eyeoh | just 24.04 or 24.04.1? | 18:54 |
| Hravnkel | Good question! | 18:54 |
| eyeoh | the version should be in um, cat /etc/*version | 18:55 |
| eyeoh | I wonder if the solution/workaround here is any good: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=282437 | 18:55 |
| eyeoh | might be more a networkmanager thing than a timesyncd thing | 18:55 |
| eyeoh | do you know if the issue happens with an ethernet cable? | 18:56 |
| Hravnkel | Yes, it happens also with ethernet cable. | 18:56 |
| eyeoh | could be related to broadcom or whatever wifi is in the mac | 18:56 |
| eyeoh | odd | 18:56 |
| Hravnkel | It was present already when I installed it from USB, I thought it was broken numerous times until I just waited. | 18:57 |
| eyeoh | so only after you installed it; and not the live usb boot? | 18:59 |
| eyeoh | as in the live usb didn't boot up abnormally slowly? | 19:00 |
| eyeoh | this issue seems vaguely familiar but I can't quite remember if I've had the exact same problem before | 19:00 |
| Hravnkel | No, it was present also on USB live boot | 19:00 |
| Hravnkel | Also there slow. | 19:00 |
| Hravnkel | I have tried the trick in the linuxmint-link you provided, unfortunately it was to no avail. | 19:01 |
| eyeoh | is this running right now?: systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service | 19:01 |
| Hravnkel | Yes! Loaded and active. | 19:02 |
| Hravnkel | I've tried to deactivate it but also there to no avail. | 19:02 |
| Hravnkel | I might have a log of the boot with it deactivated somewhere around. | 19:04 |
| eyeoh | deactivate with `systemctl disable systemd-timesyncd.service`? | 19:05 |
| Hravnkel | Yes | 19:05 |
| eyeoh | I'm looking at this too https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/13432 | 19:05 |
| -ubottu:#lubuntu- Issue 13432 in systemd/systemd "DNS fails with 'Using degraded feature set' in logs until resolved is restarted" [Closed] | 19:05 | |
| eyeoh | hmm is your DNS provider with your ISP? | 19:06 |
| eyeoh | the dns leak test button (but don't tell me the specific address) - https://browserleaks.com/ip | 19:06 |
| eyeoh | I tend to just use google's DNS | 19:07 |
| Hravnkel | I'll take a look! | 19:07 |
| eyeoh | this issues thread is so long | 19:07 |
| Hravnkel | Yep, ISP DNS provider. | 19:08 |
| eyeoh | maybe try changing it to 8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4 (google) | 19:09 |
| eyeoh | or anything else, like 1.1.1.1 for cloudflare | 19:09 |
| Hravnkel | Worth giving it a shot1 | 19:10 |
| eyeoh | eh; this one is odd too: "I didn't realize I had dhcpcd@eth0 running, simply disabling it fixed it." https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=260434 | 19:12 |
| eyeoh | "sudo systemctl edit networking.service" and "TimeoutStartSec=10sec" https://askubuntu.com/questions/837932/at-boot-networking-service-is-incredibly-slow-5-minutes-on-ubuntu-16-10 | 19:13 |
| eyeoh | needs a header too above that line: "[Service]" | 19:14 |
| Hravnkel | Interesting! This looks promising. | 19:14 |
| eyeoh | if this works, I imagine it should be safe to do. seems weird still | 19:14 |
| eyeoh | this must be one of the reasons some people are anti-systemd | 19:14 |
| eyeoh | (not me though; generally it does make things easier for me; when it works - or at least it's easier to search for others with issues now that it's everywhere) | 19:15 |
| Hravnkel | Hmm, I don't have networking.service... | 19:16 |
| Hravnkel | Hehe, yeah I'm really new to Linux in general (except for dabbling with it back in the late nineties). So systemd was just part of the deal it seems. :p | 19:17 |
| eyeoh | nothing with this?: systemctl status networking.service | 19:17 |
| eyeoh | all major distros use systemd now so I'm like eh; whatever, I trust them to know better than I do | 19:18 |
| Hravnkel | Nah, "Unit networking.service could not be found". | 19:18 |
| eyeoh | odd! | 19:18 |
| eyeoh | hmm so how to install that | 19:18 |
| eyeoh | or rather, why is it not there.. | 19:18 |
| Hravnkel | A sudo systemctl edit net[tab] gives me netplan-ovs-cleanup.service, network-pre.target, networkd-dispatcher.service, network.target, network-online.target | 19:19 |
| Hravnkel | I've had to update wifi-drivers to get wifi on my Macbook work, but alas - that shouldn't remove services as far as I'm informed. | 19:21 |
| eyeoh | dunno if this helps https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1bqbmrm/how_to_fix_in_noble_numbat_the_error_failed_to/ | 19:21 |
| eyeoh | changing drivers could be a risk when it comes to disabling something else, maybe | 19:22 |
| eyeoh | this should be pretty safe to try regardless: sudo apt install network-manager | 19:22 |
| eyeoh | network-manager being so standard | 19:22 |
| Hravnkel | Yeah I'll give it a go! | 19:23 |
| Hravnkel | Hmm, already installed (latest version, no updates), started and enabled the service without errors but still no networking.service. :-p | 19:25 |
| eyeoh | bah | 19:25 |
| Hravnkel | Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/network-online.target.wants/NetworkManager-wait-online.service → /usr/lib/systemd/system/NetworkManager-wait-online.service. | 19:25 |
| Hravnkel | NetworkManager.service available though... *facepalm* | 19:26 |
| Hravnkel | I've set timeout to 10 seconds now. I suppose I should try to reboot - which will lead to either a quick return or a late one. :-p | 19:27 |
| eyeoh | was it 24.04.1 LTS or 24.04 LTS? | 19:27 |
| eyeoh | ah you managed to do that | 19:27 |
| eyeoh | let's see... | 19:27 |
| eyeoh | see you in 5 :p | 19:27 |
| Hravnkel | Oh sorry never replied to that! Only *version file in /etc/ was debian_version stating trixie/sid | 19:28 |
| Hravnkel | Brb! (or Be Back Hopefully Soon) | 19:29 |
| Hravnkel | So, well it wasn't a blazing fast reboot... :-p | 19:34 |
| eyeoh | aw | 19:34 |
| eyeoh | Hravnkel: hmm what about cat /etc/*release | 19:34 |
| Hravnkel | Worked better. :-p 24.04.1 LTS | 19:35 |
| Hravnkel | (sry, as you probably noticed I'm not really savvy on this system) | 19:35 |
| eyeoh | no worries, that was me not long ago | 19:35 |
| eyeoh | hmm wonder if you'd have any more luck if you switched wifi to say, tether off your phone data or something | 19:36 |
| eyeoh | just for a little bit to test if it changes anything | 19:36 |
| eyeoh | I kind of suspect it might have to do with the macbook's hardware not playing nice | 19:36 |
| eyeoh | especially since it's a fresh install/boot - so hardware/driver issues has to be a prime suspect | 19:37 |
| eyeoh | tethering to phone should at least rule out your router as the culprit | 19:37 |
| eyeoh | otherwise I think the only other thing I can think of is to see if you have more luck with a live fedora usb (don't choose the gnome one though) | 19:38 |
| Hravnkel | I've tried a few different wifi networks, including my phone, unfortunately without any luck. I wasn't investigating that issue but was at a place without wifi. | 19:38 |
| Hravnkel | I also believe it's a conflict somewhere since it started already on the USB install. | 19:39 |
| Hravnkel | Interesting though I only had a 3 minutes stall for this boot, I don't think it's ever been that fast. :-p | 19:39 |
| Hravnkel | https://www.thisoldcabin.net/recent_boot.txt | 19:39 |
| eyeoh | did you try to disable timesyncd? | 19:40 |
| Hravnkel | Yep I've tried that earlier, but maybe I should give it a go again! | 19:40 |
| eyeoh | and I wonder what this means: systemd-hostnamed.service: Deactivated | 19:40 |
| eyeoh | wait; I can see my own journal too | 19:40 |
| Hravnkel | About switching to Fedora - I'm not really going to do anything drastic for just this issue. I truly enjoy Lubuntu and it seems to be the perfect match for this computer. Everything works like a charm except for the boot time, so I generally just keep it booted and only suspend it when I leave it. | 19:42 |
| eyeoh | oh no, I mean just to test | 19:45 |
| eyeoh | I wouldn't actually recommend fedora :p - too much work | 19:45 |
| Hravnkel | Haha, good point. :p | 19:46 |
| eyeoh | this does make me wonder whether devuan would throw up the same conundrum | 19:46 |
| eyeoh | devuan with lxde I imagine would be quite similar to lubuntu | 19:46 |
| eyeoh | I don't understand why so many search results are turning up vague ideas only | 19:47 |
| eyeoh | it could well be just a hardware thing, but confusing to troubleshoot | 19:47 |
| Hravnkel | Interesting idea with devuan. Could be worth trying with a USB-boot at least! | 19:47 |
| Hravnkel | Yeah I agree, it's been really hard to troubleshoot via web searches. A lot of results of similar issues but so far no success.. | 19:48 |
| Hravnkel | I did find a good article that I've now lost (unfortunately it didn't help me either) but that at least went to the bottom with a solution (just not for me). | 19:49 |
| Hravnkel | I suppose I'll have to call it a day for tonight, but I'll probably be back another evening and keep troubleshooting it! If I find a solution I most definately will write it down somewhere if others run into the issue. | 19:50 |
| Hravnkel | But for now I really want to thank you for your effort! It it very deeply appreciated!!! | 19:51 |
| eyeoh | Hravnkel: this reply suggests there's a kernel regression for the issue in the post: https://askubuntu.com/a/1521786 | 19:51 |
| eyeoh | if so, then 22.04 should work better for now | 19:52 |
| eyeoh | oh I forgot to ask - what usb devices are plugged in? especially external drives, etc | 19:52 |
| Hravnkel | Oh! That's a good thread to follow! I will most certainly try switching the kernels tomorrow! Thank you! | 19:53 |
| Hravnkel | There are no USB devices plugged in. | 19:53 |
| eyeoh | I'd try lubuntu 22.04 live usb first | 19:53 |
| eyeoh | might be easier | 19:54 |
| eyeoh | cause that will definitely have an older kernel | 19:54 |
| Hravnkel | Yeah that would be evident if the problem went away with the USB-boot. Good point. | 19:54 |
| eyeoh | and then there's also debian 12.7 lxde which has linux 6.1; if you don't really want to try devuan. | 19:56 |
| eyeoh | But I say give lubuntu 22.04 LTS a go first | 19:56 |
| Hravnkel | Yeah that's a great start! | 19:57 |
| eyeoh | because if that works, you can sit on that for a while until the bug is fixed | 19:57 |
| Hravnkel | Yep! This process will also force me into a sustainable solution for all my dotfiles... :-p So that's another bonus. ;) | 19:58 |
| Hravnkel | Now I need to leave for the evening, but once again thank you! Deeply appreciated support! | 19:59 |
| eyeoh | no problem - ping me an update when you're back at it | 20:00 |
| Hravnkel | Absolutely, will do! Have a good evening! | 20:02 |
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