| lotuspsychje | good morning | 02:15 |
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| marcoagpinto | good morning | 04:27 |
| lotuspsychje | Square2: tiling would be one of them | 14:00 |
| Square2 | Curious, what would you say are the top 3 changes in 24.04 compared to 22.04? | 14:01 |
| Square2 | lotuspsychje, ah nice. Like in hyprland? | 14:01 |
| lotuspsychje | for example yes | 14:01 |
| Square2 | Sweet, that alone wants me to upgrade | 14:02 |
| lotuspsychje | Square2: https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-24-04-lts-vs-22-04-lts-a-comparison-guide-and-whats-new | 14:03 |
| Square2 | thanks | 14:04 |
| lotuspsychje | https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for | 14:04 |
| lotuspsychje | and see also the releasenotes !noble | 14:05 |
| Walex | for me one of the most important updates in 24 is support for ".webp" and IIRC also ".avif" in Geequie etc. | 14:07 |
| lotuspsychje | i pretty like the workspaces in 24.04 | 14:09 |
| Walex | I use XFCE and it is quite stable, so no major changes there, but overall even better support for hiDPI in most frameworks. | 14:10 |
| lotuspsychje | i tested xubuntu 24.04 too, lovely stuff in there | 14:10 |
| JanC | I have to say the system upgrader for 22.04 → 24.04 isn't well-tested though | 14:10 |
| JanC | I'm not surprised there have been so many issues & restarts... | 14:11 |
| Walex | the upgrader works well only on fairly "vanilla" installs | 14:11 |
| lotuspsychje | they are back open now right JanC ? | 14:11 |
| JanC | Walex: indeed | 14:11 |
| JanC | also, it disabling external repositories actually caused the problems I had yesterday when upgrading my dad's laptop | 14:13 |
| lotuspsychje | eek | 14:13 |
| lotuspsychje | also the new installer has a lot of bugs | 14:14 |
| JanC | it had an APT repository for Firefox (because the snap version is still broken) and disabling that resulted in the upgrader reporting a failure to upgrade Firefox... | 14:16 |
| lotuspsychje | i bet the upgrade wants to go snap to snap FF | 14:16 |
| JanC | sure, but it fails | 14:17 |
| JanC | it can't install the .deb that is supposed to do that | 14:18 |
| lotuspsychje | JanC: a lot of bug reports on the thunderbird transition too | 14:19 |
| JanC | which is a good thing in a way, but it also meant the upgrader finished with some scary looking error messages :) | 14:19 |
| JanC | yes, same problem probably | 14:20 |
| JanC | they should probably exclude the upstream APT repository from disabling (people who use that probably do for a good reason) | 14:21 |
| lotuspsychje | maybe they could implement an option to yes/no disable ppa's on upgrade for more expert users | 14:23 |
| JanC | maybe they should check what 3rd party repositories have noble versions and at the very least allow the user to keep those | 14:23 |
| lotuspsychje | but then, we dont really can support external ppa's officialy in support | 14:24 |
| lotuspsychje | so that wishlist will probably never happen | 14:24 |
| JanC | I already did some of my 20.04 → 22.04 upgrades without the release upgrader (= the Debian way) because in practice it worked better | 14:26 |
| JanC | looks like things only got worse... | 14:26 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah for novice users thats not good | 14:26 |
| JanC | in part because they forced people to use 3rd party repositories for things like Firefox | 14:27 |
| lotuspsychje | did you get a lot of packages keep or remove this time JanC ? | 14:27 |
| JanC | I would never have installed that on my dad's laptop if they hadn't broken their "official" Firefox | 14:27 |
| JanC | lotuspsychje: what do you mean exactly? on my dad's system? | 14:29 |
| lotuspsychje | i mean those warnings lts upgrade give keeping or removing newer packages | 14:29 |
| JanC | you mean configuration files? | 14:29 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 14:30 |
| JanC | I got 4 or 5 I think | 14:30 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 14:30 |
| JanC | DebConf | 14:30 |
| lotuspsychje | 20.04==>22.04 was pretty smooth for me | 14:30 |
| JanC | well, more like 3 or so, with another 2 warnings, I think | 14:30 |
| JanC | (just some message to press enter) | 14:31 |
| JanC | in fact, IIRC Thunderbird was one of those (informing you it will replace .deb Thunderbird with snap Thunderbird) -- and then it failed to actually do so :P | 14:32 |
| JanC | the whole mixture of 2 system package managers was a pretty bad idea | 14:34 |
| Walex | ffor Firefox I have switched to the Mozilla repo at home (otherwise the ESR repo) | 14:58 |
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