[02:15] good morning [04:27] good morning [14:00] Square2: tiling would be one of them [14:01] Curious, what would you say are the top 3 changes in 24.04 compared to 22.04? [14:01] lotuspsychje, ah nice. Like in hyprland? [14:01] for example yes [14:02] Sweet, that alone wants me to upgrade [14:03] Square2: https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-24-04-lts-vs-22-04-lts-a-comparison-guide-and-whats-new [14:04] thanks [14:04] https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for [14:05] and see also the releasenotes !noble [14:07] for me one of the most important updates in 24 is support for ".webp" and IIRC also ".avif" in Geequie etc. [14:09] i pretty like the workspaces in 24.04 [14:10] I use XFCE and it is quite stable, so no major changes there, but overall even better support for hiDPI in most frameworks. [14:10] i tested xubuntu 24.04 too, lovely stuff in there [14:10] I have to say the system upgrader for 22.04 → 24.04 isn't well-tested though [14:11] I'm not surprised there have been so many issues & restarts... [14:11] the upgrader works well only on fairly "vanilla" installs [14:11] they are back open now right JanC ? [14:11] Walex: indeed [14:13] also, it disabling external repositories actually caused the problems I had yesterday when upgrading my dad's laptop [14:13] eek [14:14] also the new installer has a lot of bugs [14:16] it had an APT repository for Firefox (because the snap version is still broken) and disabling that resulted in the upgrader reporting a failure to upgrade Firefox... [14:16] i bet the upgrade wants to go snap to snap FF [14:17] sure, but it fails [14:18] it can't install the .deb that is supposed to do that [14:19] JanC: a lot of bug reports on the thunderbird transition too [14:19] which is a good thing in a way, but it also meant the upgrader finished with some scary looking error messages :) [14:20] yes, same problem probably [14:21] they should probably exclude the upstream APT repository from disabling (people who use that probably do for a good reason) [14:23] maybe they could implement an option to yes/no disable ppa's on upgrade for more expert users [14:23] maybe they should check what 3rd party repositories have noble versions and at the very least allow the user to keep those [14:24] but then, we dont really can support external ppa's officialy in support [14:24] so that wishlist will probably never happen [14:26] I already did some of my 20.04 → 22.04 upgrades without the release upgrader (= the Debian way) because in practice it worked better [14:26] looks like things only got worse... [14:26] yeah for novice users thats not good [14:27] in part because they forced people to use 3rd party repositories for things like Firefox [14:27] did you get a lot of packages keep or remove this time JanC ? [14:27] I would never have installed that on my dad's laptop if they hadn't broken their "official" Firefox [14:29] lotuspsychje: what do you mean exactly? on my dad's system? [14:29] i mean those warnings lts upgrade give keeping or removing newer packages [14:29] you mean configuration files? [14:30] yeah [14:30] I got 4 or 5 I think [14:30] kk [14:30] DebConf [14:30] 20.04==>22.04 was pretty smooth for me [14:30] well, more like 3 or so, with another 2 warnings, I think [14:31] (just some message to press enter) [14:32] in fact, IIRC Thunderbird was one of those (informing you it will replace .deb Thunderbird with snap Thunderbird) -- and then it failed to actually do so :P [14:34] the whole mixture of 2 system package managers was a pretty bad idea [14:58] ffor Firefox I have switched to the Mozilla repo at home (otherwise the ESR repo) === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy === arif-ali_ is now known as arif-ali === leamas1 is now known as leamas === kenyon_ is now known as kenyon === Aavar_ is now known as Aavar === Exterminador_ is now known as Exterminador