[06:12] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[13:55] <sem> if you had a windows laptop and you didn't want to dual boot because of all the complications, would you use hyper-v to run ubuntu, or wsl2?
[13:56] <yano> i thought wsl2 requires hyper-v these days?
[13:56] <yano> i could be wrong
[13:56] <sem> yeah, I don't know!
[13:57] <yano> i do like WSL2 at work but it doesn't provide USB/device support
[13:57] <daftykins> the choice depends on the requirements, as with all things
[13:57] <yano> yup
[13:57] <sem> I would want USB/device
[13:57] <sem> i've heard that hyper-v has usb passthrough
[13:58] <yano> yeah, if you want USB/device support hyper-v or virtualbox might be better
[13:58] <sem> is it weird on wsl2 to not have systemd, or do you not miss it?
[13:59] <yano> it's weird tbh, but i run enough other systems/server that i do have systemd there
[13:59] <yano> i don't mess a lot with services on my WSL2 installation
[14:03] <sem> i installed 22.04 in hyper-v, and now I'm trying to upgrade to 24.04, but the GUI update tool quits silently with no messages. Would you consider that a reportable bug?
[14:07] <daftykins> not if it wasn't fully up to date first
[14:07] <sem> it was though
[14:08] <sem> i did do-release-upgrade and found out that it wouldn't update because there was not enough available space, but it would be nice if the graphical updater showed the same message instead of quitting silently
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[17:26] <JanC> sem: that's certainly a bug
[18:03] <sem> did you see my report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/2081075
[18:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Launchpad bug 2081075 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Upgrade button exits silently from 22.04 to 24.04" [Undecided, New]
[18:22] <JanC> there are lots of bugs in 24.04 also  :-(
[18:22] <sem> not good for lts :/
[18:25] <JanC> on my dad's laptop there is a bug in the i915 graphics driver that makes the screen flicker regularly
[18:26] <JanC> and there is a bug in Nautilus when you create a new folder
[18:28] <JanC> and you can't disable the touchpad
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> JanC: uhd 620 chipset?
[18:28] <JanC> and "disable touchpad while typing" no longer works either
[18:29] <JanC> lotuspsychje: I haven't had time to investigate in dept
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> if it does, its my old flickering intel bug
[18:29] <JanC> it's at least 6 years old the laptop
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> bug #1958191
[18:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Bug 1958191 in linux-hwe-6.2 (Ubuntu) "[i915] Screen flickering in Ubuntu 22.04 (until i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2 are added) (fixed in 5.17.7 and later)" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1958191
[18:32] <JanC> sounds like you bug is worse; in case of my dad's laptop it just "flashes" the screen occasionally
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> might be something else then
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> but also, there are several variations
[18:33] <JanC> man, I hate it how so many bug trackers make you download attached text files instead of just serving them as plain text...
[18:35] <JanC> do you get errors when it flickers?
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> the machine suffering it, is broken now, it flickered so hard i had to hard shutdown, cant click something anymore
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> the bug re-apeared over several ubuntu releases/kernels
[18:37] <JanC> my dad's laptop got an error in kernel logs, soemthing about "CPU pipe" & "FIFO underrun" IIRC
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> try that kernal param to see if it fixes
[18:39] <JanC> you mean "i915.enable_dc=0 intel_idle.max_cstate=2" ?
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> yes
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> thats what fixes mine as workaround
[18:44] <JanC> oh, another bug in 24.04: when you have bluetooth disabled but Wifi enabled, then disable wifi or enable airplane mode, then you disbale airplane mode, it enables bluetooth but not Wifi...
[18:46] <JanC> this sounds more like what happens: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1634521
[18:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Launchpad bug 1634521 in linux (Ubuntu) "Screen gets black for a couple of seconds" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[18:46] <JanC> but that's an ancient bug
[18:47] <JanC> but it shows the same error also
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> could be a variant of it, needed another kernel param then mine
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> my flicker bug has tons of users with other variants too
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> so daniel start asking everyone to create new bugs of their own
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> anyway, naptime
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