| enemi | hi | 00:58 |
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| PheralSparky | howdy | 01:14 |
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| PheralSparky | I just installed ubuntu on an inspiron 16, hoping it would restore touch screen function, but its not working by default | 01:20 |
| === Jubes987 is now known as Jubes98 | ||
| BarnabasDK | PheralSparky, where you on another version of ubuntu before or windows? | 01:31 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: what is the output of the following command in your laptop? `xinput list` <= if it spits out any "touch" or "screen", it means ubuntu recognized it | 01:35 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: if you're on Wayland, then run `libinput list-devices` | 01:39 |
| eax_ | you may have to install `libinput-tools` if running pure Wayland | 01:40 |
| PheralSparky | I ran lsmod | grep touch and got these two lines | 01:50 |
| PheralSparky | hid_multitouch 36864 0 | 01:50 |
| PheralSparky | HID 180224 3 i2c_hid,hid_multitouch,hid_generic | 01:50 |
| PheralSparky | Show drafts | 01:50 |
| PheralSparky | sorry bout the erroneous line | 01:50 |
| PheralSparky | eax_, session type is wayland, xinput list shows no devices | 01:57 |
| PheralSparky | however, just installed libinput-tools | 01:57 |
| PheralSparky | and I have a couple entries related to the touchpad and possibly screen | 01:58 |
| PheralSparky | here are the entries https://hastebin.skyra.pw/jiwibawicu | 02:02 |
| PheralSparky | I think 117 might relate to the touch screen as a mouse? | 02:02 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: ubuntu is not reading any of the touch devices per that output. | 02:16 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: let's cancel something out. See if it works on pure X11. logout and login and select X11 and run `xinput list` to check if X11 is picking it up. if yes, then we have narrowed it down to Wayland | 02:22 |
| PheralSparky | will try | 02:22 |
| PheralSparky | I uncommented "WaylandEnable=false", but still dont see the cog at login | 02:32 |
| PheralSparky | even after restarting the system | 02:32 |
| enigma9o7 | after you enter you rusername, before you enter the password, lower right gear wheel appears | 02:33 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: check this page out and check your Inspiron model <https://ubuntu.com/certified/laptops?q=&limit=450&offset=0&> and tell me which model you have. I suspect that you hae a hybrid model | 02:33 |
| eax_ | enigma9o7: +1 | 02:33 |
| enigma9o7 | it's not obvious | 02:33 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: which means that Wayland is using the Intel card as the main driver and NVIDIA for the heavy stuff, which does run issues w/ touchscreen support and there are additional drivers and configurations you'll have to do to get it working | 02:34 |
| esoteric66 | /join https://ouch.chat and go to #ouchtech | 02:36 |
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| PheralSparky | I have an inspiron 16 5625 wiht a ryzen 5825u | 02:38 |
| PheralSparky | its got amd hardware, not nvidia | 02:38 |
| PheralSparky | with the amd hardware, I figured additional drivers, but none come up, I remember installing some back on ubuntu in 2010 on my dell studio 1747 | 02:39 |
| PheralSparky | that was a process for sure | 02:39 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: have you installed these driver? `mesa-utils mesa-vulkan-drivers xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-libinput` those are the amd drivers | 02:41 |
| PheralSparky | not yet | 02:43 |
| PheralSparky | I just switched gdm3 to x11 | 02:43 |
| PheralSparky | from wayland | 02:43 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: also ensure that you have the latest firmware via: `sudo apt install fwupd && sudo fwupdmgr get-updates && sudo fwupdmgr update` | 02:43 |
| enigma9o7 | Congrats PheralSparky, you found the cog. | 02:44 |
| PheralSparky | no, no cog | 02:45 |
| PheralSparky | I guesss the wayland false uncomenting changed it from wayland to x11 | 02:45 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: just check the session type in the terminal: `echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE` | 02:47 |
| PheralSparky | I did, it reflects x11 | 02:47 |
| PheralSparky | instead of wayland, as why I said what I did | 02:47 |
| eax_ | ok, do an `xinput list` then | 02:48 |
| PheralSparky | just ran your ssd firmware update | 02:48 |
| PheralSparky | *cmmand | 02:48 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: awesome, now let's check if it's picking it up with `xinput list` | 02:50 |
| PheralSparky | https://hastebin.skyra.pw/muzufucura | 02:50 |
| PheralSparky | nothing screen specific | 02:51 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: yea, i see .... quick question. when you ran the live ISO, did the touchscreen work? | 02:53 |
| PheralSparky | no | 02:54 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: i ask, because the live ISO will preload all possible drivers it can as part of the bootup process. i am just trying to narrow this one down lol | 02:54 |
| PheralSparky | I used ubuntu-24.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso | 02:55 |
| PheralSparky | rufus'd with iso, install failed, but rufus-d with dd and it worked flawlessly | 02:55 |
| PheralSparky | just installed all the drivers you mentioned, only 2 were up to date | 02:56 |
| PheralSparky | vulkan drivers and xserver lib | 02:56 |
| PheralSparky | rebooted system after updating and no change | 02:56 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: i am interesting to check if the kernel modules are even loading .... | 02:58 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: run `lsmod | grep i2c_hid` and let's check if it's loaded in the kernel | 03:01 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: `lsmod | grep hid*` will also return all of the hid modules if they're loaded (ie. hid_multitouch and hid_generic) you should have generic at the very least | 03:02 |
| eelstrebor | what does it mean that opendkim.service is masked? | 03:05 |
| PheralSparky | https://hastebin.skyra.pw/pahiyoboze | 03:05 |
| enigma9o7 | well usually when something is masked, it's hidden. | 03:05 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: they're loaded alright, so then the issue has to be drivers or firmware, BIOS/UEFI setting (this could be not enabled ... you never know) or the hw is not being detected | 03:09 |
| PheralSparky | checked the InsydeH20 Bios Setup Utility, doesn't have anything under Main or Advance tabs | 03:11 |
| PheralSparky | Show drafts | 03:11 |
| PheralSparky | oops | 03:11 |
| PheralSparky | darn copy from gemini | 03:12 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: the only thing i could think of is that you may not have this package installed: `xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu - X.Org X server -- AMDGPU display driver` <= this is from me doing an apt-cache search | 03:18 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: the actual package to install if you don't have it is: `xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu` | 03:19 |
| PheralSparky | will try | 03:19 |
| PheralSparky | it was already installed and at newest | 03:20 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: yea i figured as much lmao | 03:20 |
| PheralSparky | xD | 03:20 |
| PheralSparky | does uefi have separate device settings? | 03:21 |
| PheralSparky | or a setup utility like bios insyde? | 03:21 |
| PheralSparky | well, my responses should be faster, just got a 4 hour print started | 03:22 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: it does but the only thing that would be hindering your touchscreen is if it's not enabled | 03:24 |
| PheralSparky | lshw -c video reflects the AMD driver active | 03:24 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: what's Xorg reporting? `grep -i touch /var/log/Xorg.0.log` or what's the kernel reporting? `dmesg | grep -i touch` | 03:25 |
| PheralSparky | eax_, it was weird, while win11 was active, pen and touch driver was flickering in and out, and just corrupted, and wouldn't run since | 03:25 |
| PheralSparky | got too aggravated and gave up troubleshooting win11, win10 is the last repair-able windows os | 03:26 |
| PheralSparky | grep: /var/log/Xirg.0.log: No such file or directory | 03:27 |
| PheralSparky | grep: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory | 03:27 |
| PheralSparky | and on the second one "dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted" | 03:28 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: sudo it lmao | 03:28 |
| PheralSparky | lol | 03:28 |
| PheralSparky | that one worked better- | 03:29 |
| PheralSparky | https://hastebin.skyra.pw/cizelijege | 03:29 |
| Bashing-om | eax_: Xorg's log has a new home .. try as .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log . | 03:31 |
| PheralSparky | ah | 03:32 |
| eax_ | Bashing-om: thanks! | 03:32 |
| PheralSparky | grep: .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory | 03:33 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: from that dmesg output, it does not pick up the touchscreen, just the pads | 03:33 |
| PheralSparky | theres only one touchpad | 03:33 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: there's an Elantech touchpad as well | 03:33 |
| PheralSparky | I read that, but theres only one lol | 03:34 |
| eax_ | the system is detecting it via i2c. install i2ctools and let's probe each of the pads and see if it's simply confusing both of them as touchpads | 03:35 |
| PheralSparky | ok | 03:36 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: after install i2ctools. run `sudo i2cdetect -l` to list them both and then we can probe them | 03:36 |
| PheralSparky | I just checked f12, and no uefi setup option | 03:36 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: you have to i2c buses, which is what the system uses to talk to peripherals that interface with hid (human interface devices). we can probe them each with: `sudo i2cdetect -y` 1 `sudo i2cdetect -y 0` and see which one of those two is the actual touchscreen | 03:39 |
| PheralSparky | https://hastebin.skyra.pw/wibitehimu | 03:39 |
| PheralSparky | yeah | 03:39 |
| PheralSparky | https://hastebin.skyra.pw/dajohipocu | 03:41 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: awesome, i2cbus-1 and 0 are normally reserved for touchscreens. so let's scan each one of them w/: `sudo i2cdetect -y 0` first | 03:41 |
| PheralSparky | 0 matches 1 | 03:42 |
| PheralSparky | i2c is much funner on arduino than this xD | 03:43 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: ok there's one showing at address `0x30`. let's grep for it: sudo dmesg | grep '0x30' | 03:43 |
| PheralSparky | [ 0.093414] ..TIMER: vector=0x30 apic1=0 pin1=2 apic2=-1 pin2=-1 | 03:45 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: that aint it! lmao. that's not even a device. interesting ... maybe ACPI is handling it. run sudo dmesg | grep acpi and see what the acpi tables are saying | 03:47 |
| eax_ | or we could be more specific and dump the output for that addr using i2ctools (just checked the manpages lmao) `sudo i2cdump -y 1 0x30` | 03:47 |
| PheralSparky | https://hastebin.skyra.pw/bugowuwudo | 03:49 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: while we're there, since everything is a file in *nix land. heck an `ls /sys/bus/i2c/devices/` will list it out also | 03:49 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: ok, we've confirmed that the system does not have access to that address since the dump returned all XXs | 03:50 |
| PheralSparky | https://hastebin.skyra.pw/ubupaqarub | 03:50 |
| PheralSparky | ah | 03:50 |
| PheralSparky | that looks terribly interesting | 03:51 |
| PheralSparky | even and odd numbers | 03:51 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: we found your WACOM device!!!! | 03:51 |
| PheralSparky | so its a wacom touch screen? | 03:51 |
| PheralSparky | tho yay xD | 03:51 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: let's inspect it and get some info out of it w/ `cat /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-WACF3233:00/name` | 03:52 |
| PheralSparky | cat just says WACF3233:00 lmao | 03:53 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: what's the kernel saying about it? `sudo dmesg | grep WACF3233` | 03:54 |
| PheralSparky | nothing | 03:57 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: ok, let's install the drivers w/ `sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-wacom` | 03:58 |
| PheralSparky | I miss apt-get xD | 03:58 |
| PheralSparky | xserver-xorg-input-wacom is already at newest version | 03:59 |
| PheralSparky | lmfao | 03:59 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: dam lmao (i was hoping it was that) | 04:00 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: ok, we could rebind it! by undinding and binding again: `echo 'i2c-WACF3233:00' | sudo tee /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/i2c_hid/unbind` and then `echo 'i2c-WACF3233:00' | sudo tee /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/i2c_hid/bind` | 04:01 |
| PheralSparky | oh lordy a long one lol | 04:01 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: they're two separate commands: one to unbind and one to bind | 04:02 |
| PheralSparky | ahh | 04:02 |
| PheralSparky | are the apostrophes necessary? | 04:02 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: i delineated it w/ the backticks for you. No they're not. | 04:02 |
| PheralSparky | ok | 04:03 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: the quotes for echo are though | 04:03 |
| PheralSparky | i dont see quotes | 04:03 |
| eax_ | run this first: echo 'i2c-WACF3233:00' | sudo tee /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/i2c_hid/unbind | 04:04 |
| eax_ | and then this: echo 'i2c-WACF3233:00' | sudo tee /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/i2c_hid/bind | 04:04 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: after that do an <xinput list> and see if it X11 picks the wacom device up | 04:05 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: i changed the delimeter for you lmao from backticks to anchor braces | 04:05 |
| PheralSparky | oh xD ty | 04:06 |
| PheralSparky | first one tee: /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/i2c_hid/unbind: No such file or directory | 04:06 |
| PheralSparky | wont run second since first failed | 04:07 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: that means that i2c_hid is not handling that device. if you run <ls /sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-WACF3233:00/driver> it should give you who's handling that file handle | 04:08 |
| eax_ | then unbind and bind that | 04:08 |
| PheralSparky | ls: cannot access '/sys/bus/i2c/devices/i2c-WACF3233:00/driver': No such file or directory | 04:10 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: that error was on the unding correct? if yes, then we can go straight to binding it <echo 'i2c-WACF3233:00' | sudo tee /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/wacom/bind> | 04:11 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: if all this fails. you _can_ install Ubuntu Studio which as awesome wacom tablet support out of the box! Since it's a distro for creators. you can even download the installer from your current Ubuntu distro. See here <https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/> | 04:13 |
| PheralSparky | can it be installed over the current install? | 04:14 |
| PheralSparky | *within | 04:14 |
| PheralSparky | bash: syntax error near unexpected token 'newline' | 04:16 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: what was your actual input when you got that bash: syntax error. you probably pasted an additional char | 04:17 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: and yes, you can install from within the current distro that you have. | 04:17 |
| PheralSparky | https://hastebin.skyra.pw/qekopariba | 04:19 |
| PheralSparky | oh crap | 04:19 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: there's also this wiki for the Linux Wacom Project that'll put you in the right azimuth. it past midnight here and i'm going to get some ZZZs. I'll check back tomorrow | 04:20 |
| PheralSparky | https://hastebin.skyra.pw/rutojefiju | 04:21 |
| PheralSparky | oh darn | 04:21 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: the last command, you have to run it with the <> i only put them there to delineate it lol | 04:28 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: i sent you a PM | 04:29 |
| PheralSparky | i see | 04:30 |
| PheralSparky | if i had to run it with the <>, good thing I included it | 04:31 |
| eax_ | PheralSparky: i meant without. sorry, it's late lol and i'm tired | 04:34 |
| PheralSparky | I'm used to staying up late myself lol | 04:39 |
| PheralSparky | well I just tried https://github.com/linuxwacom/input-wacom | 04:48 |
| PheralSparky | as told by install process | 04:48 |
| PheralSparky | got to this https://hastebin.skyra.pw/unuyeyadas | 04:48 |
| PheralSparky | welp | 04:49 |
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| PheralSparky | i'll be, hacker.ai showed me how to generate keys for the laptop | 05:13 |
| PheralSparky | damn hacker.ai's GPT-4 usage is extremely short now | 05:25 |
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| PheralSparky | at least I was able to apply a critical bios update to my moms inspiron 16 5625, and eradicate windows, only 2 good things to go well tonight :( | 06:40 |
| younder | Will webkit soon be available in Unbitu 24.04? | 06:46 |
| younder | s/biuntu/Ubuntu/ | 06:47 |
| younder | Would be nice if it was available for the EMACS 30.1 release which is right around the corner. | 06:48 |
| bt_ | ls | 07:12 |
| bt_ | ll | 07:12 |
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| ADCurry999 | hello | 08:32 |
| ADCurry999 | hola | 08:33 |
| ADCurry999 | hello tomy | 08:34 |
| TomyWork | I don't know you | 08:37 |
| ADCurry999 | me nethier | 08:37 |
| ADCurry999 | but i just wanted to say you hello | 08:38 |
| ADCurry999 | :) | 08:38 |
| TomyWork | then don't ping, please. this is a busy channel on a busy network. socializing is in #ubuntu-offtopic | 08:39 |
| ADCurry999 | ah srry | 08:39 |
| TomyWork | I'm running a bunch of kubectl/helm/yq commands every couple of seconds. Since I installed those tools via snap, I get a lot of spam in the journal, like "Started snap.kubectl.kubectl-dfd614e3-c661-4d49-9cfd-20206f51db01.scope." and in dmesg, like "12864831.311953] audit: type=1326 audit(1726735301.983:216016406): auid=1000 uid=1000 gid=1000 ses=35 subj=/usr/lib/snapd/snap-confine pid=568130 comm="snap-confine" exe="/usr/lib/snapd/snap-confine" sig=0 | 08:43 |
| TomyWork | arch=c000003e syscall=262 compat=0 ip=0x7f7b2c5d2d3e code=0x7ffc0000". Is there any way to reduce that spam without switching to non-snap versions of those tools? | 08:43 |
| mgedmin | no | 08:55 |
| sreve | hello. I am currently inside a live 24.04 system. I pluged in a new nvme ssd and did a read test with dd if=/dev/nvme0n1 of=/dev/null count=10000000 bs=2048/4096/... and get only about 1000 mb/s but I think it shout be around 4000, any ideas? | 08:59 |
| sreve | I don't know if the hardware has pcie 4.0 ... how can I see? | 09:01 |
| zniavre | sreve, to knows everything bout my comp i use > sudo inxi -v7azy | 09:06 |
| sreve | The notebook hat one x16 and five x1 pcie ports | 09:07 |
| sreve | if it is pcie 3.0 than the ssd is connected with x1 and the speed max is 0.97 gb/s | 09:08 |
| sreve | .... to bad | 09:08 |
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| sreve | I try to install ... and I like to have encryption like Bitlocker. I guess I need the option "LVM with encryption", or do I need to set it up manualy? I dont need LVM, I just want to use the entiere SSD for everything. | 09:24 |
| mgedmin | sudo hdparm -t -T /dev/nvme0n1 reports ~200 MB/s for me right now | 09:24 |
| mgedmin | which is interesting, because it used to report between 700 and 1600 MB/s, according to my notes | 09:24 |
| sreve | write speed with dd is only 84 mb/s here. That is to less. | 09:28 |
| TomyWork | sreve, LVM is great, use it :) | 10:02 |
| sreve | TomyWork, what is the benedit when I not plan to chnage how I partionen my disk in the futor? | 10:32 |
| TomyWork | do you plan to add additional disks? | 10:32 |
| TomyWork | if so, then you can add their space to your existing partitions | 10:32 |
| crapoid | hey | 10:32 |
| TomyWork | with most file systems, you dont even need to reboot to do that :) | 10:33 |
| crapoid | so | 10:33 |
| sreve | TomTom, it is a notebook, there will be no additional disk in the future ;) | 10:35 |
| TomyWork | it's especially great in a VM environment, since there you can also add new disks and rescan them without rebooting, so you can add new disk space without any downtime. | 10:35 |
| TomyWork | aww | 10:35 |
| TomyWork | sreve, I think this is a thread you should read: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/does-full-disk-encryption-really-need-lvm-4175712479/ | 10:37 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 11:46 |
| Guest53 | Hello, In wonder if someone is able to help me with an urgent upgrade issue. I have updated in total 7 LXC containers (proxmox host), from 22.04 to 24.04, all upgrades are completely fine apart from one server. On this server it seems to partially boot, if that's even a thing, in that I can enter the container from the host but there is no | 11:50 |
| Guest53 | networking to SSH in. When booting in the foreground on the host, I am getting these errors | 11:50 |
| Guest53 | [12:47:20 PM] <Guest53> [FAILED] Failed to start systemd-sysctl.service - Apply Kernel Variables. | 11:50 |
| Guest53 | [12:47:20 PM] <Guest53> [FAILED] Failed to start systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev-early.service - Create Static Device Nodes in /dev gracefully. | 11:50 |
| mgedmin | Guest53: do the logs say more? in particular, the error explaining why those services failed should be there somewhere in journalctl | 11:51 |
| Guest53 | mgedmin Not really no, I checked each, let me paste one example but the key thing seems to be: ExecStart=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-resolved (code=exited, status=243/CREDENTIALS) | 11:52 |
| Guest53 | mgedmin https://bpa.st/FY3XA | 11:54 |
| Guest53 | mgedmin here is a bit more detail I think on the above logs https://bpa.st/7PJTY | 11:54 |
| Guest53 | in terms of the error on all being "243/credentials", could this log be related? systemd[1]: /lib/systemd/system/systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev-early.service:25: Unknown key name 'ImportCredential' in section 'Service', ignoring. | 11:56 |
| mgedmin | journalctl -b 0 will show messages from only the last boot, which will make it a bit easier | 11:57 |
| mgedmin | pressing capital 'S' in the pager will turn off line wrapping, because now I cannot see the end of | 11:57 |
| mgedmin | "Mar 16 10:54:09 nextcloud systemd-resolved[94]: Failed to emit notification about changed property CurrentDNSServer: Transpor>" | 11:57 |
| mgedmin | Transpor---what? probably transport endpoint is not connected? because dbus-server is not running? | 11:57 |
| Guest53 | I tried SHIFT + S but nothing changing regarding line wrapping? | 11:58 |
| mgedmin | I'm sorry, it's -S actually (two keys, - and S) | 11:59 |
| mgedmin | my fingers remember what my brain forgot | 11:59 |
| Guest53 | logs incoming | 12:00 |
| Guest53 | https://bpa.st/TBQJM | 12:00 |
| Guest53 | That was output from your command "journalctl -b 0" | 12:01 |
| mgedmin | yeah, it was 'Transport endpoint is not connected' like I guessed, with no additional details unfortunately | 12:03 |
| Guest53 | Sorry that log looks like it was older. | 12:03 |
| Guest53 | Since this issue happened, this is all that's logged for that service, and most other systemd services report the same https://bpa.st/3IWDO | 12:03 |
| mgedmin | I don't see any actual smoking guns in those logs | 12:04 |
| Guest53 | I know right :/ | 12:04 |
| mgedmin | I would look at the entire boot log (journalctl -b 0), not limiting it to a single service | 12:04 |
| mgedmin | maybe compare it to a working container, so you know what kinds of errors are normal and expected and don't break boot | 12:04 |
| mgedmin | like, 'couldn't get a file descriptor for the console' does not seem important in a container | 12:05 |
| Guest53 | mgedmin all logs from boot > https://bpa.st/ODL5Q | 12:06 |
| Guest53 | working container has literally a few lines in comparison, looks severe :( | 12:08 |
| mgedmin | so the apparmor and mount namespacing errors are something to look into | 12:09 |
| mgedmin | are all the containers using the same config on the lxc side? iirc there are privileged and unprivileged lxc containers or something like that, could that be the difference between working and not-working? | 12:09 |
| Guest53 | I have a mix but another privilaged one is working fine also | 12:10 |
| mgedmin | the other thing, in 24.04 release notes there was a mention about user namespaces being restricted which can cause issues | 12:10 |
| Guest53 | actually, i lie, I cannot ssh into that other one... | 12:10 |
| mgedmin | https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-24-04-lts-noble-numbat-release-notes/39890#security-improvements | 12:10 |
| Guest53 | i don't think it's possible to change from privileged to unprivileged after creation of container is it? | 12:11 |
| mgedmin | no idea | 12:11 |
| mgedmin | you said you upgraded the containers to 24.04 | 12:11 |
| Guest53 | is this related to snap changes in 24.04 ? | 12:11 |
| mgedmin | what about the host? | 12:11 |
| mgedmin | these failures are before snapd even gets started afaics | 12:12 |
| mgedmin | (in the containers) | 12:12 |
| Guest53 | the host is it's own OS i guess being proxmox, debian based but it isn't 24.04 | 12:12 |
| ravage | there is ##proxmox if you have questions about how to configure the host | 12:13 |
| mgedmin | ah, and the host wasn't updated | 12:13 |
| mgedmin | then ignore my link to the release notes, I was thinking about changes to the host | 12:13 |
| Guest53 | I mean the host is 8.2.5 which is latest version | 12:13 |
| mgedmin | (I have no idea what proxmox is, some php frontend for VMs? didn't know it's an entire distro) | 12:13 |
| Guest53 | Debian-based, using the Proxmox kernel with | 12:14 |
| Guest53 | OpenZFS support. | 12:14 |
| Guest53 | yes https://www.proxmox.com/en/ | 12:14 |
| mgedmin | I'm out of ideas, sorry :/ | 12:14 |
| Guest53 | ok thanks anyway | 12:19 |
| Guest53 | mgedmin looks related https://www.reddit.com/r/Proxmox/comments/1d4zk02/so_we_arent_getting_ubuntu_2404_lxc_privileged/?rdt=41396 | 12:31 |
| mgedmin | so how come only one of the 24.04 containers fails while all others work? | 12:35 |
| mgedmin | there's some kind of proxmox option for cgroups nesting that can be individually toggled per container? | 12:36 |
| Guest53 | yes, found it, it boots! | 12:36 |
| mgedmin | congrats! | 12:37 |
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| incesguest | Hello everyone, | 12:48 |
| incesguest | Does anyone know if when installing two different window managers on the same machine in ubuntu can cause any problem? | 12:48 |
| incesguest | I have Gnome right now, by default, but I want to install and use something like i3. | 12:48 |
| incesguest | How easy it is to have both on the same machine? | 12:48 |
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| mgedmin | installing shouldn't cause any conflicts | 12:57 |
| mgedmin | if the alternative window manager installs a session file, you'll be able to select it in the login screen (a gear icon in the bottom right, iirc) | 12:58 |
| tomreyn | IIRC i3 only works with Xorg, not Wayland. | 13:01 |
| incesguest | But is not Xorg installed already on ubuntu? | 13:08 |
| incesguest | And, if not, installing it next to Wayland will not cause any problem? | 13:08 |
| mgedmin | yes, xorg is installed by default, and the default choice of sessions lets you choose between wayland and xorg | 13:10 |
| Guest53 | mgedmin Now I have lots of package issues due to the failure I guess. Lots of packages for example nginx have "rc nginx-common 1.18.0-0ubuntu1.2" on them, there is a running nginx process but I can install the package again... | 13:11 |
| rollappuser | hi | 13:18 |
| rollappuser | anyone there? | 13:18 |
| rollappuser | a | 13:18 |
| incesguest | mgedmin: Thanks for the answer! | 13:19 |
| Aliekezi | hi, any idea how to change the scrollbar size in Ubuntu 24.04 using gsettings ? This parameters doesn't seem to exist anymore in the interface settings listed in 'gsettings list-recursively | grep interface' | 13:20 |
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| Barry | My Intel 13th gen Integrated Graphics appears to perform significantly worse on Ubuntu compared to Windows. Any idea why, or how to fix? | 14:01 |
| bebop | what graphics? | 14:02 |
| bebop | inxi -G | 14:02 |
| Barry | bebop: Iris Xe | 14:02 |
| bebop | do you have the correct drivers? | 14:02 |
| Barry | Can't do inxi since I'm currently on Windows | 14:02 |
| bebop | what driver were you using? | 14:03 |
| Barry | I'm not sure, whatever comes by default | 14:03 |
| Barry | I didn't even know anything apart from the defaults existed though | 14:04 |
| bebop | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1466897/intel-iris-xe-video-drivers-in-ubuntu-23-04 | 14:04 |
| bebop | maybe that link will help | 14:04 |
| tomreyn | there's just i915 | 14:05 |
| bebop | there is a iris driver no? | 14:05 |
| bebop | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1466897/intel-iris-xe-video-drivers-in-ubuntu-23-04 | 14:06 |
| Barry | Drivers are installed and functional, but things I have tested have ran 20+% slower under Ubuntu compared to Windows 10 | 14:06 |
| bebop | https://dgpu-docs.intel.com/devices/iris-xe-max-graphics/index.html | 14:06 |
| bebop | disregard that link | 14:07 |
| tomreyn | bebop: where in this post do you read that there is a separate iris driver? | 14:07 |
| Barry | Neither link seems particularly relevant | 14:08 |
| tomreyn | Barry: what does glxinfo -B | grep Accel return? | 14:09 |
| bebop | [08:07] <bebop> disregard that link | 14:09 |
| tomreyn | you can check this later. but it'd be good to actually run ubuntu when you're trying to debug something | 14:09 |
| Barry | I'm only on Windows since I just did the testing which lead me to discover the performance difference | 14:10 |
| tomreyn | that is, unless it's so broken that you cannot (even in text mode) | 14:10 |
| Barry | I'll be back on Ubuntu in about 2 minutes, then I'll check the output from glxinfo | 14:10 |
| tomreyn | oh ok | 14:10 |
| bebop | lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D|Display' | 14:11 |
| Barry | The glxinfo command gave me Accelerated: yes | 14:12 |
| tomreyn | hmm, okay, then it probably won't get any faster | 14:13 |
| tomreyn | can you run journalctl -kb | nc termbin.com 9999 | 14:13 |
| tomreyn | this will share your kernel log to termbin.com, a pastebin-like site | 14:14 |
| tomreyn | it should return a url | 14:14 |
| tomreyn | how did you test graphics performance by the way? | 14:15 |
| Barry | Tested a couple of games on Steam | 14:15 |
| tomreyn | linux with open source drivers via mesa/dri does sync to vblank (vertical sync) by default, limiting FPS to 60. | 14:16 |
| tomreyn | vblank=0 somecommand runs somecommand without vsync | 14:17 |
| Barry | One of the games I tested ran at a smooth 90hz (matching the display refresh) on Windows while getting below 40 on Ubuntu, that wouldn't be the issue | 14:18 |
| tomreyn | maybe it was a DX game running via proton | 14:19 |
| tomreyn | https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics discusses many options, but most are about fixing issues, not perfomance improvements (which usually will be applied automatically where available) | 14:19 |
| Barry | I didn't think of that, if it was a DX game I guess I just must have not noticed on my main desktop since it runs them fine anyway | 14:20 |
| Barry | Looks like it *is* a DX game, thanks for helping me figure that one out | 14:23 |
| crapoid | hey | 14:34 |
| crapoid | :) | 14:35 |
| tomreyn | hi crapoid, do you have an ubuntu support question by chance? | 14:37 |
| crapoid | eh.. nope, im new here and im not shure what im suposed to do here.. | 14:38 |
| enigma9o7 | what an odd concept! | 14:39 |
| leftyfb | crapoid: This is a support channel. If you'd like to just chat, feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic | 14:39 |
| crapoid | im just looking for a channel with casual chat, any sugestions? | 14:40 |
| crapoid | ic | 14:40 |
| crapoid | ty | 14:40 |
| BlackDemon | :p | 14:43 |
| vinicius | Hello everyone! Anyone could make this new setting work? I tried to use the "App switching" option to "Include apps from each monitor only" but when I do alt+tab I still see apps from all monitors. This is a recently updated Ubuntu from 22.04 to 24.04. | 15:10 |
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| tomreyn | vini: i assume you are vinicus who asked a question and left a minute later? | 15:29 |
| eelstrebor | what does it mean that opendkim.service is masked? | 15:37 |
| leftyfb | eelstrebor: https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-to-mask-a-systemd-unit-in-linux/# | 15:38 |
| tomreyn | eelstrebor: probably that someone ran systemctl mask opendkim.service | 15:38 |
| eelstrebor | leftyfb, thanks | 15:51 |
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| Guest4128 | buenas | 16:07 |
| Guest4128 | Hi | 16:07 |
| vini | tomreyn: Yeah! Just switched clients | 16:18 |
| crapoid | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY crapoid Freakstein369 | 16:35 |
| ravage | Please change your password:) | 16:35 |
| crapoid | shoot | 16:35 |
| crapoid | how do i do that? | 16:35 |
| ravage | https://libera.chat/guides/sendpass | 16:36 |
| ravage | so the 2nd command | 16:36 |
| ravage | maybe not public this time 😉 | 16:36 |
| NDPTAL85 | crapoid: Open up a private message window if you have to. That way if you make a mistake no one else will see it. | 16:37 |
| ravage | the server tab is usually safe to do that on a regular irc client | 16:38 |
| crapoid | ok | 16:39 |
| crapoid | how do i open a private message window | 16:40 |
| ravage | i think "/query nickserv" should work | 16:41 |
| ravage | but you can ask in #libera | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | crapoid: alternate, your irc client should be able to identify safely for you, in its settings | 16:42 |
| lotuspsychje | crapoid: i see you're using hexchat, so try the SASL method in settings | 16:43 |
| kk1234 | hopefully they didn't lose their nick | 16:46 |
| crapoid | ok, i did it, shoot that was sweatty | 16:46 |
| kk1234 | crapoid: you came out of it unscathed gj | 16:47 |
| crapoid | pju | 16:47 |
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| Elw3 | Slightly puzzled here, why is a swap partition in use despite it having ǹo entry in fstab? | 17:30 |
| kk1234 | Elw3: it's a file nowadays not a partition | 17:31 |
| Elw3 | I specifically said a partition | 17:31 |
| kk1234 | Elw3: no idea then | 17:32 |
| Elw3 | I am not aware of any auto swapon or fstab being deprecated for the task | 17:33 |
| Elw3 | But this seems to exist apparently | 17:33 |
| ioria | Elw3, systemctl status *.mount | 17:35 |
| pavlos | mount | grep swap | 17:36 |
| pavlos | dmesg | grep swap | 17:37 |
| ioria | Elw3, also : systemctl --type swap | 17:41 |
| pavlos | Elw3: show that it is a partition | 17:41 |
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| Elw3 | Tiny laptop is hard to handle. Well mount returns nothing swap related, dmesg says a swap was added and systemctl does indeed show a swap unit. | 17:51 |
| Elw3 | So does that mean systemd does indeed just automount swap partitions regardless of what was choosen in the installer? | 17:52 |
| ioria | yes | 17:52 |
| pavlos | systemctl reports " swapfile.swap loaded active active /swapfile " | 17:53 |
| ioria | Elw3, you can mask it ofc | 17:54 |
| Elw3 | Kinda unsettling this is an auto thing, especially in the context: I have /home in a crypted partition and the installer flat refused to let me choose a not encrypted partition as swap, so i continued without adding it and wanted to ad it to fstab later only to find it already in use. So the installer contradicts the systemd behaviour. | 17:57 |
| enigma9o7 | I always thought if a swap partition exists, its automatically used by any distro you boot, live or real, etc. | 18:18 |
| enigma9o7 | The only downside is that can break hibernation. | 18:18 |
| toddc | enigma9o7: use a swap file insted of a swap partitin | 18:26 |
| Elw3 | Well asking the wiki on it they describe how to add it using fstab. If its added anyway the article makes no sense anymore | 18:26 |
| enigma9o7 | toddc: Yes, I do. But they were asking about a swap partition. | 18:27 |
| Elw3 | Doesnt this have performance impact? | 18:28 |
| enigma9o7 | Doesn't what have performance impact? | 18:29 |
| Elw3 | Using a file instead a partition | 18:29 |
| enigma9o7 | I would certainly hope not. | 18:30 |
| Elw3 | and while we are at it, does encryption have impact? | 18:30 |
| toddc | assuming it is on the same drive no | 18:30 |
| enigma9o7 | only advantage I knew of swap partition over swap file is that multiple distros can share it | 18:30 |
| enigma9o7 | certainly encryption has impact | 18:30 |
| Elw3 | well my setup is encrypted home plus a ton of swap on an intel atom netbook so i just assumed using a partition has the best performance | 18:32 |
| enigma9o7 | by default swapfile is normally in root partition, in root folder even, so encrypted home shouldn't affect that. | 18:34 |
| Elw3 | Yea again, this would be very contradicting to the installer who even denies to proceed with such setup. It seems to check if /home is encrypted and then demand swap is also encrypted | 18:35 |
| toddc | assuming you encrypt the drive incase the computer is stolen it would make sence to encrypt the swapfile to deny access | 18:39 |
| Elw3 | ofc it does, but systemd and the intaller are still contradicting each other here. | 18:40 |
| PheralSparky | eax_, feel like helping me again a little later? | 18:46 |
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| Devrim | Can anyone help me out? I just upgraded to 24.04.1 and my DNS doesn't seem to work. /etc/resolv.conf seems to mention 127.0.0.53 but pings etc. fail. If I add nameserver 1.1.1.1 DNS starts working again but I want to use the system DNS | 21:39 |
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| CosmicDJ | Devrim: systemctl status systemd-resolved.service shows what? | 21:47 |
| Devrim | CosmicDJ https://bpa.st/7QMLU | 21:48 |
| Devrim | seems fine but not working unless I specify cloudflare dns | 21:48 |
| CosmicDJ | Devrim: and resolvectl status ? | 21:49 |
| Devrim | CosmicDJ https://bpa.st/5WNBC | 21:50 |
| CosmicDJ | Devrim: looks like you didn't get any DNS servers via DHCP/IPv6 SLAAC | 21:50 |
| Devrim | I have ipv6 disabled, could that be a problem? | 21:51 |
| CosmicDJ | Devrim: no, unless your DNS servers are IPv6 only | 21:51 |
| Devrim | nope, ipv4 and ipv6 | 21:51 |
| Devrim | CosmicDJ shouldn't the nameservers 127.0.0.53 in resolv.conf just work? | 21:52 |
| CosmicDJ | Devrim: 127.0.0.53 is systemd-resolved.service which doesn't have any DNS servers configured | 21:53 |
| odar | hello | 21:55 |
| Anonamy | Hi | 21:55 |
| Devrim | CosmicDJ it is a dedicated server so not sure what the DHCP situation would be, there is no router in front of it | 21:55 |
| Anonamy | I am attempting to install Xubuntu on an older laptop (2011 Sony Vaio), I have tried 4 or 5 times. Installation always completes properly, however when I try and boot the new system I get "Operating System not found" every time... | 21:56 |
| odar | where are you from? | 21:56 |
| Anonamy | I have tried USB install and also DVD install of Xubuntu 22.04 | 21:56 |
| ravage | Do those ISOs still fit on a DVD? :D | 21:57 |
| ravage | And why not 24.04 | 21:57 |
| Anonamy | ravage, yep lol | 21:58 |
| Anonamy | I know I was surprised also | 21:58 |
| Anonamy | I checked the bios on this machine, but there is not very many options. Is there a way I can test the disk from a live usb stick ? | 21:59 |
| Anonamy | It is a SSD | 21:59 |
| ravage | You can install any package but for an SSD the smart tools should be enough | 22:00 |
| CosmicDJ | Devrim: you can hardcode DNS servers you want to use for name resolution in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf | 22:00 |
| ravage | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools | 22:01 |
| Anonamy | I tried using that "disks" utility, but there was nothing in there indicating "Smart tools" | 22:01 |
| Devrim | CosmicDJ I just set it to 127.0.0.1, seems to work I guess | 22:03 |
| CosmicDJ | Devrim: what? that makes no sense unless you have another DNS server running | 22:04 |
| Devrim | bind9 maybe? | 22:04 |
| Devrim | Saw some stuff running on port 953 lol | 22:04 |
| Anonamy | so in Disks, I see the SSD. All of the Smart tests say it is ok. | 22:07 |
| Devrim | I just need to figure out how to properly add localhost as the dns since I edited directly into resolved.conf which gets overwritten | 22:08 |
| Anonamy | there is three partitions. | 22:08 |
| Anonamy | partition one is unknown (SDA1) BIOS Boot | 22:08 |
| Anonamy | partition two is FAT32 EFI (538 MB) | 22:08 |
| ravage | Partitions do not matter for disk health | 22:08 |
| Anonamy | partition 3 is EXT4 | 22:09 |
| Anonamy | ok | 22:09 |
| ravage | If the smart status is ok the disk is fine | 22:09 |
| Anonamy | disk health says ok. It is a kingston 240GB drive | 22:09 |
| Anonamy | I can view the contents of the Linux filesystem on the disk. | 22:10 |
| Anonamy | not sure why it won't boot. There is no options in bios. | 22:10 |
| Anonamy | maybe I should take this to the #hardware chat room | 22:10 |
| enigma9o7 | you can run a test in gsmartcontrol if you don't trust the data | 22:11 |
| enigma9o7 | i mean don't trust the status if it says its good | 22:12 |
| enigma9o7 | but okay thats the same smart tests you may have done cli | 22:12 |
| Anonamy | I have tried multiple linux versions, multiple usb's and even a dvd install. They all install completely. The computer will not boot after install. I get "No Operating System found" error. | 22:13 |
| Anonamy | maybe the bios on this computer is too old ? | 22:13 |
| enigma9o7 | well doesn't sound like anything related to bad disk | 22:14 |
| enigma9o7 | well if there is a bios update certainly install it | 22:14 |
| enigma9o7 | but its some setting in bios if it'll boot from usb/dvd but not from disk. | 22:15 |
| enigma9o7 | assuming legacy boot | 22:15 |
| Anonamy | ok I am reading this https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=403204 | 22:16 |
| Anonamy | it is saying I have to manually format the drive to msdos beforehand | 22:16 |
| enigma9o7 | I'm using a 15 year old sony vaio laptop right now.... | 22:16 |
| Anonamy | the bios on this machine has no option for EFIE | 22:17 |
| enigma9o7 | and i certainly didnt format my ssd when i first replaced the hd with it | 22:17 |
| Anonamy | ok, so either a bios update, or format the partition to msdos | 22:18 |
| enigma9o7 | do you have gpt partition table? | 22:18 |
| enigma9o7 | that is certainly an issue for legacy boot, yeah | 22:18 |
| enigma9o7 | you gotta use msdos partition table for legacy boot | 22:18 |
| enigma9o7 | if that's what you're talking about | 22:18 |
| Anonamy | enigma9o7, yes | 22:23 |
| Anonamy | it is gpt | 22:23 |
| Anonamy | so I am in GParted, I deleted the 3 partition tables. Do I create a new msdos partition table ? | 22:23 |
| Anonamy | top menu, "Device"->"Create new partition table" then select msdos ? | 22:24 |
| enigma9o7 | Yep. | 22:29 |
| Anonamy | ok, and in the installer, I Added a single partition to boot as / (root), and I used ext4 filesystem. It gave me a warning about no EFIE system, but I just hit continue. | 22:31 |
| enigma9o7 | no UEFI, yep. | 22:32 |
| Anonamy | ok crossing fingers, (thanks for this help by the way). | 22:32 |
| Anonamy | its a customers computer and they said "it was working" (had windows 7 on it).. so I don't want to brick it lol | 22:33 |
| Anonamy | should be fine I think | 22:33 |
| Tampa | On a couple different machines running 20 or 22 I have had memory management go crazy after updating the kernel pending reboot. I'd run dist-upgrade and set a new kernel for boot and within hours the buffered memory would go up without clearing. Trying to echo 1 to drop_caches would result in a Segmentation fault or straight up close my ssh session. Usually fixes itself after a reboot, but normally I would leave systems with a pending reboot for weeks until | 22:41 |
| Tampa | downtime is planned without this happening. Is this a known issue or expected behavior? | 22:41 |
| Anonamy | enigma9o7, it works !! | 22:41 |
| enigma9o7 | Great. Now you can install a faster OS than ubuntu for such old hardware, make it snappy instead of just usable. | 22:43 |
| enigma9o7 | Especially if the customer was coming from Win7. | 22:43 |
| sarnold | Tampa: that doesn't sound familiar to me | 22:44 |
| sarnold | Tampa: the kernel upgrade feels like a red herring to me, i'd try to figure out a reproducer that does something else | 22:44 |
| enigma9o7 | Xubuntu, Lubuntu.... Ubuntu MATE.... but of course ubuntu is fine too. | 22:44 |
| Tampa | I usually run updates at least once a week. Every time this has happened in the past those updates included a new kernel, hence my suspicion. It could be something adjacent, but it has to be something related to memory if it basically bricks use of /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches unless I go for 2 or 3 | 22:47 |
| lubuntu | o/ beta testing Lubuntu 24.10, just typ | 22:50 |
| lubuntu | can't type apparently, nvm | 22:50 |
| Tampa | I also don't quite know how to work out where the seg fault even comes from. Tried different ways to write to drop_caches, but all do that, so is it the file or straight up the system layer faulting... | 22:52 |
| Tampa | Haven't encountered it on any 24 machines either, they been sitting with pending kernel switch for almost a month without problems | 22:52 |
| sarnold | Tampa: check dmesg, it usually annotated where exactly a segfault happened | 22:52 |
| Tampa | Was my first thought too, but there is nothing in there about it, so I guess it's not happening on system level? | 22:54 |
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