[00:10] <eelstrebor> i followed the instructions at ubuntu.com for adding repositories but the "Add Source" button stays greyed out. what am i doing wrong? ubuntu 24.04.1
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[00:13] <yoshiserry> thanks @tomreyn
[00:14] <tomreyn> yoshiserry: thanks for pointing out that this was off.
[00:17] <Bashing-om> eelstrebor: Now deb822-sources - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/spec-apt-deb822-sources-by-default/29333 - does this link help ?
[00:18] <ravage> also the parser of the GUI seems to be very picky
[00:18] <ravage> i never used that before. most 3rd party repos use the command line to add a repo
[03:12] <eelstrebor> Bashing-om, yep, that info helped - i just need a faster way to add the repository without having to manually add it
[03:20] <Bashing-om> eelstrebor: Got me there - to this time I have not messed about with deb822.
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[05:42] <Guest6024> hello
[05:43] <wuzamarine> Is there ANY compatible virtualizarion software out there for Ubuntu that isn't completely broken/crash the VPS every 10 min with absolutely zero log record? Do not say VMWare or Virtualbox.
[05:43] <Guest6024> i miss linux mint
[05:44] <toddc> !details | wuzamarine
[05:44] <ubottu> wuzamarine: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel.
[05:45] <wuzamarine> toddc do you know what a crash is?
[05:46] <wuzamarine> O already said that the stupid developers at VMWare and Virtualbox can't code verbos logging
[05:46] <wuzamarine> I
[05:46] <wuzamarine> So, if you're looking for an error, you're SoL
[05:46] <toddc> what software have you tried? logs? ect  I assume a ubuntu host?   virtualbox qemu many many other options that all work well
[05:47] <wuzamarine> toddc do they not crash and have verbos logging? If not, I'm not interested. Sorry.
[05:47] <toddc> I am currently on 22.04 host and virtualbox 24.04.1
[05:48] <PheralSparky> this page makes no sense https://github.com/linuxwacom/xf86-input-wacom/wiki/Configuring-X
[05:48] <PheralSparky> does it even apply to ubuntu?
[05:48] <wuzamarine> I have 3 24.04 boxes (freshly reinstalled for this) that are ALL doing the exact same crashing. Dell compters also
[05:51] <toddc> wuzamarine: I have 7 ubuntu 22.04 and 24.04 hosts with both 22.04 and 24.04 guests 4 are dell hosts are using the ubuntu repo version of virtualbox or the repo from virtualbox its self?
[05:51] <wuzamarine> toddc you are not me not do you have my computers
[05:52] <wuzamarine> Either Ubuntu is completely jacked or just about every virtualization app out there is.
[05:53] <toddc> what version of virtualbox? is the host or the guest crashing?   asking for details   that I can verify test or reproduce on working computers
[05:53] <wuzamarine> Fresh apt install. It's long deleted now.
[05:53] <wuzamarine> What ever the currect/stable is
[05:54] <wuzamarine> toddc both host and VM lock completely. A hard reboot is the only solution
[05:55] <wuzamarine> a crash
[05:59] <wuzamarine> Windows is a lot more stable than this garbage. Bill Gates is getting really close to earning a return customer. ANYTHING is better than this.
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[08:20] <bizmate> is there a repo for the kernel or other package where i can verify if a GPU driver exists ? for instance https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/driver-core.git/
[09:03] <Guest38> anyone knows where can the original Pile_CC (from Common Crawl) be downloaded from?
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[10:50] <g80> hello all, i'm a linux noob. i recently installed ubuntu and have a question about software. Can snap & flatpak coexist or is it one or the other?
[11:01] <g80> can ihave flathub and snap together in the software app?
[11:19] <tomreyn> g80: i think you can install gnome-software and its plugins for snap snf flatpak, which would provide you with a single application to manage both. The default software store is, however, Canonicals' snap-store, and I don't think it supports flatpak. Other than that, generally speaking, I'm not aware of why you should not be able to have both snaps and flatpaks side by side with apt/debs.
[11:23] <g80> on linux mint, the software store there gives you options of whther you want to install system software or flatpak. I dont see the same option on Ubuntu. Is there a way to enable that?
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> g80: mint has its own built packages
[11:28] <g80> ok, so that kind of display of choices is not possible in ubuntu software store app?
[11:29] <g80> i ran a terminal command to install flatpak, now i only see flatpak option in software store. Snap seems to have disappeared or replaced by flatpak
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> g80: the software managers for ubuntu, also differ for different ubuntu releases, wich ubuntu release are you asking for?
[11:30] <g80> ubuntu cinnamon
[11:31] <lolok> last i tried ubuntu software store it couldnt update itself wihout manual intervention; i kinda hate to say it, but yeah especially if youre using cinnamon anyway definitely consider mint
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> g80: thats the flavour, wich release(number) ?
[11:32] <g80> the latest version 24 i think
[11:32] <g80> how do i find out what version i have?
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> g80: lsb_release -a
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:33] <g80> 24.04
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> g80: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2024/03/install-flatpakref-ubuntu-24-04/
[11:37] <g80> Lotus, i have flatpak installed but i think its replaced snap
[11:37] <g80> is flatpak faster than snap on ubuntu?
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> dont think thats the case g80 , as tomreyn stated they surely can co-exist on a system
[11:38] <g80> lotus, i guess my question is that, i dont see the snap option for download when i'm searching for apps on the software store
[11:40] <g80> are there alteratives to the default software store on ubuntu?
[11:48] <bizmate> hello
[11:48] <bizmate> anyone alive during weekend?
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> !ask | bizmate
[11:48] <ubottu> bizmate: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[11:49] <tomreyn> g80: there is "gnome-software" with plugins "gnome-software-plugin-..." for deb, flatpak, snap
[11:50] <tomreyn> g80: you can   apt install   those
[11:54] <bizmate> tomreyn, intel i915 ARC compatibility is still an issue as i described here ... https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2500132 I just tried to boot again without the xe options. I feel this should be at list in a known issues list for future drivers updates on kernel or somewhere else. Any suggestions?
[11:57] <tomreyn> bizmate: i'd say the 'list of known issues' is also known as "launchpad" or the various kernel bug reporting venues
[11:58] <tomreyn> i don't think i realized last time we talked that you have a dedicated Arc GPU, nor that those now exist for laptops
[12:00] <bizmate> tomreyn, it is built in, anyhow where can "launchpad" be accessed? Is it maintained in a git repo? https://git.kernel.org/ this is a strange git place. I cannot quite understand what is what
[12:01] <ravage> !bug | bizmate
[12:01] <ubottu> bizmate: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[12:01] <ravage> for a bug in the kernel that is "ubuntu-bug linux"
[12:02] <tomreyn> launchpad.net is Canonicals (maker of Ubuntu) source code hosting, management, building and bug tracking platform. but instead of visiting this site, better read what ubottu said.
[12:02] <ravage> but i dont think missing hardware support counts as a bug if the upstream kernel does not support it
[12:04] <tomreyn> bizmate: are you the same person as "gebbione" on ubuntuforums.org?
[12:05] <bizmate> tomreyn, yep
[12:07] <bizmate> ravage, i need to double check but as far as I know there is no option to add an extra set of drivers for ARC 915 same as Nvidia and currently a lot of UX related features are showing problems. The screen flickers when i interact with the desktop items
[12:09] <ravage> sounds like a problem Intel has to solve then?
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> bizmate: wich ubuntu release/kernel version are you on?
[12:14] <bizmate> I am not sure who owns this but it makes ubuntu on these machines difficult, in some posts it shows HWE might help  but latest ubuntu does not seem to have HWE -> https://community.intel.com/t5/Graphics/Intel-Arc-drivers-in-Ubuntu-help/m-p/1590861
[12:15] <bizmate> https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle HWE maybe is not needed on latest ubuntu. I am on 24.04.1
[12:16] <bizmate> 6.8.0-45-generic kernel
[12:18] <PeGaSuS> hey folks. I want to upgrade my machine but I'm planning on make a fresh install to "clean up" the system. but I'd like to backup my *entire* system  to an external disk in case I don't like 24.04. which tool do you advise?
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> !backup | PeGaSuS
[12:19] <ubottu> PeGaSuS: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup, !borg, and !cloning
[12:20] <PeGaSuS> !borg
[12:20] <ubottu> borg is a fast backup tool with incremental backups: https://www.borgbackup.org/ (Ubuntu packages: borgbackup, borgbackup-doc, and borgmatic)
[12:20] <ravage> For the entire system try clonezilla
[12:21] <PeGaSuS> can't. local disk is 1Tb, target disk is 500Gb
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> bizmate: if your graphics dont work on 24.04, try filing a new !bug as ravage already adviced
[12:23] <bizmate> lotuspsychje, I thought he suggested it was an intel problem but i ll try a new bug and point to my forum post
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> bizmate: feel free to share the bug ID here aswell after you created it
[12:34] <tomreyn> bizmate: generally, new hardware should usually be supported (by means of developing suitable linux drivers) by the manufacturer. whether or not this is already the case for Meteor Lake-P (Intel Arc on Laptops), and if so, which kernel version + mesa + dri (the open source graphics stack) introduces full support for it would be relevant to know, since then you can know which kernel (and mesa) version you need to be running at least to get it to
[12:34] <tomreyn> work.
[12:38] <tomreyn> bizmate: can you post   lspci -nnvs 0000:00:02.0
[12:38] <tomreyn> to a pastebin or termbin.com
[12:56] <bizmate> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/7eic
[12:56] <tomreyn> okay, so there is the xe driver which is separate from i915 and your system is using it.
[12:58] <bizmate> it is indeed by means of forcing it with the kernel options as described in the post, someone suggested here and it is much better but it is not stable
[13:00] <bizmate> these are the options chained in the boot sequence xe.force_probe=7d55 i915.force_probe=!7d55
[13:00] <mio1969> ciao !
[13:01] <tomreyn> bizmate: https://linux-hardware.org/?id=pci%3A8086-7d55-1043-1a63 lists other users of computers with this very intel gpu
[13:02] <tomreyn> it would seem that support is still limited. but i think you should file a bug report, and see whether you can get it to work properly in text mode, yet.
[13:03] <tomreyn> the kernel cmdline you're using tells the i915 driver not to claim this piece of hardware, and tells the xe driver to do so. this makes sense if you want to ensure the xe driver handles this hardware.
[13:03] <bizmate>  do you mean a shell by text mode?
[13:04] <tomreyn> i mean a tty
[13:05] <bizmate> command line works, i am actually running gnome but with problems
[13:06] <bizmate> the ux flickers most times and software like cairo-dock wont start ... anyhow i ll try to understand how to provide a bug report and post it. Thank you
[13:07] <tomreyn> if your screen turns black this is not caused by iwlwifi, whic is the intel wireless driver, which should have nothing to do with graphics
[13:07] <bizmate> indeed I assumed so but the kernel output does not provide any further info when it gets stuck
[13:08] <tomreyn> i think i previously pointed you to an arch linux documentation on options you can apply to the i915 driver to potentially work around flickering
[13:08] <bizmate> i even tried disabling wifi and bluetooth and the messages disappear but it is stuck with blackscreen unless i use xe
[13:09] <tomreyn> i imagine using the xe driver may actually be necessary with this hardware
[13:15] <bizmate> tomreyn, would you think this is an XE specific problem then ? would I still report it in launchpad or somewhere else?
[14:38] <bizmate> I hope this is fine https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/2081636
[15:03] <timono> hello
[15:03] <timono> привет всем
[15:05] <timono> тут кто то есть
[15:05] <rbox> english
[15:05] <timono> hello
[15:48] <zTengren> sa
[15:49] <zTengren> hi
[15:49] <Guest4748> hello
[15:49] <zTengren> where r u from
[15:49] <Guest4748> i used to chat on linux mint now linux mint moved to matrix
[15:50] <rbox> Guest4748: im sorry?
[15:50] <Guest4748> zTengren your mamas basement lol
[15:50] <Guest4748> hello
[15:52] <rbox> Guest4748: go troll somewhere else
[15:52] <tomreyn> Guest4748: please note this is exclusively a support channel. do you have an ubuntu support question (see also the channel /topic)?
[16:05] <Guest4748> no bye
[16:06] <webchat60> Hello. I get "lsusb" "return 1"
[16:07] <webchat60> Can I get help here with this ?
[16:07] <webchat60> also, Xorg don't start also
[16:12] <rbox> what does 'Hello. I get "lsusb" "return 1"' mean
[16:12] <webchat60> rbox this mean that ubuntu don't identify usb-devices
[16:13] <user__> skibidi rizz ubuntu sigma
[16:13] <rbox> webchat60: what?
[16:14] <user__> fanum tax ohio drip
[16:14] <webchat60> rbox what "lsusb" comand return you when you run in in your terminal? My return me "Return 1" instead of list usb devices
[16:15] <rbox> it just says "return 1"?
[16:15] <user__> rbox are you a mod or something
[16:16] <webchat60> rbox what mean "mod" ?
[16:16] <webchat60> rbox yes. jurst "return 1"
[16:16] <webchat60> *just
[16:16] <rbox> thats not even something in the lsusb code
[16:17] <rbox> are you sure you're actuallyg running lsusb? is t his even ubuntu?
[16:17] <user__> ubuntu is boomer mint is zoomer i think
[16:17] <webchat60> rbox this is ubuntu 22.04
[16:17] <webchat60> 100%
[16:17] <rbox> i dunno what you did to break it then
[16:18] <webchat60> rbox any chance to fix this ?
[16:18] <rbox> first you'd have to figure out what you did to break it
[16:19] <webchat60> rbox looks like I delete some system files
[16:19] <webchat60> rbox also, notebook fall down once
[16:19] <ravage> so backup your files from a live usb session. then reinstall
[16:19] <webchat60> so may be this is hardware problem
[16:20] <user__> gyatt level 1000
[16:20] <ravage> if the hardware is broken. get new hardware. there is nothing we can do about that
[16:20] <rbox> yeah, you shodu'nt be deletign random things
[16:20] <webchat60> ravage I got now that usb is don't identify
[16:21] <webchat60> so I can't use usb
[16:21] <ravage> so repair the hardware or buy new hardware. then come back
[16:21] <webchat60> (looks like I need to go to repair shop with my laptop )
[16:22] <webchat60> ok. thank. bye
[16:23] <dTal> rbox: easy way to free up disk space: 'find / | shuf | head | xargs rm'
[16:23] <dTal> (joke command, do not run, please don't ban me)
[16:26] <webchat60> hm... looks like this is also "kde" problem
[16:27] <webchat60> because "startx openbox" run x-session
[16:30] <tomreyn> dTal: please don't post such commands here.
[16:32] <webchat60> also, plasma run via "plasmashell --replace"  (but now can't connet to wifi network, even if see it via network-manager)
[16:38] <webchat60> ok. so I fix somehow QUI
[16:38] <webchat60> but still have problem with usb devices
[16:47] <oli_b> Hi all
[16:48] <Guest834> hello
[16:50] <tomreyn> webchat60: i don't think anyone here can support you after "I delete some system files"
[16:50] <KillerWormz> Hi
[16:51] <tomreyn> webchat60: that is unless you can specify exactly what you did and we can maybe help you recover from it. either way, a reinstall is probably the best you can do.
[16:51] <webchat60> tomreyn I think that bigger problem, in reality, is fall-down of laptop :(
[16:52] <tomreyn> webchat60: we can help with this even less. if you're looking for suggestions for replacement hardware, try #hardware
[16:53] <webchat60> I just want somehow to get some confirmantion from "software-layer" that bluethose and usb is not phisically in a good condition...
[16:54] <webchat60> and if confirmation should receved - I plane my next steps...
[16:59] <rbox> webchat60: sounds like you need to install a non broken dist
[16:59] <Windy> Just installed ufw from apt on a fresh 22.04 VPS.  I did 'ufw default deny incoming', 'ufw default allow outgoing', 'ufw allow ssh', but as soon as I enable it, I can't ssh anymore.  I feel like I must be missing something obvious here...
[16:59] <Windy> (i have a console connection, so i can disable ufw, but i don't understand how to get a default deny + allow 22/tcp config going
[17:29] <webchat60> rbox I can't intall new distro because I can't see usb outputs
[17:30] <rbox> what does A have to do with B?
[17:32] <webchat60> rbox where I can put usb-flash with new disto? :)
[17:33] <webchat60> looks like Bios also, don't identify usb-outputs
[17:33] <tomreyn> do you have access to another computer?
[17:35] <webchat60> tomreyn yep
[17:36] <webchat60> have one more notebook
[17:36] <webchat60> with ubuntu 24.04 on it
[17:37] <tomreyn> webchat60: so you could use that to write an ubuntu installer to a usb stick, for your next computer
[17:38] <tomreyn> or if you want to try to continue using this computer, you could install over pxe/network
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[18:34] <agutierr> Hi there. Anyone expert on polkit on Ubuntu 24? Trying to setup a rule to disable change network statae on a multiple user system, but its impossible
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[20:41] <myrti> Hi, I'm having some issues with DNS since I upgraded to 24.04. At first I had absolutely no internet. Then realized I had dnsmasq and systemd-resolved running parallel. Read I should add "DNSStubListener=no" to the /etc/systemd/resolved.conf which I did. After that it (sometimes work). Now I still have the issues that on (most, amybe not all) reboots, I have no internet. I will gain access to the internet if I do a systemctl stop
[20:42] <myrti> systemd_resolved followed by a start, but I was wondering if this is a known issue and if there's a way I can just have the dns resolution working when I log in
[20:45] <toddc> myrti: not a issue that I have seen but easy to test   boot a live disk several time to verify router/hardware/cables are good
[20:46] <leftyfb> myrti: why do you have dnsmasq installed?
[20:46] <JanC> a live image won't have dnsmasq, of course
[20:46] <myrti> ah it's definitely DNS resolution. I can always ping 8.8.8.8
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[20:47] <leftyfb> myrti: remove dnsmasq
[20:47] <myrti> not sure, I thought DNSmasq was the default dns resolver nowadays. If it's not 'necessary' I'll try uninstalling it and see what happens
[20:48] <myrti> if I remove dnsmasq, I assume I also need to remove the dnsstublistener=no line in /etc/systemd/resovled.conf
[20:48] <leftyfb> yes
[20:49] <myrti> I'll hopefully be back
[20:49] <leftyfb> myrti: after dnsmasq is removed, then run: sudo rm /etc/resolv.conf && sudo ln -s /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
[20:49] <myrti> ok
[20:52] <myrti> hmm, apparently I was wrong. DNSmasq was not installed.
[20:52] <myrti> at least it didn't find anything to uninstall
[20:53] <myrti> I guess it might be time for a clean install. :/
[20:53] <myrti> Were there any other alternatives for dns resolution in ubtuntu in the last couple of releases
[20:53] <leftyfb> no
[20:53] <leftyfb> myrti: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
[20:54] <leftyfb> what does that give you?
[20:54] <myrti> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 Aug 30 22:06 /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[20:54] <leftyfb> ok, that should be fine
[20:54] <leftyfb> myrti: host ubuntu.com 8.8.8.8
[20:54] <myrti> aug 30 is also the data of the upgrade
[20:54] <leftyfb> what does that give you?
[20:55] <myrti> https://bpa.st/4KXWK
[20:55] <leftyfb> ok, now:  host ubuntu.com
[20:56] <myrti> https://bpa.st/HYDKI
[20:56] <leftyfb> ok, DNS is working
[20:56] <myrti> ah sorry yes. I'm posting from the laptop. It mostly doesn't work after a reboot. Then I stop and start systemd-resolved and then it works
[20:57] <leftyfb> wait, what? You weren't running the troubleshooting commands on the machine we're troubleshooting?
[20:58] <myrti> I am, but the issue is intermittent and not currently happening (because I can't contact anyone when it's happening)
[20:58] <leftyfb> myrti: resolvectl status
[20:58] <myrti> that's why I was asking if this is something you'd heard about. I realize it's hard to trouble shoot. I can run them again the next time this happens
[20:59] <myrti> https://bpa.st/QU4BG
[20:59] <leftyfb> myrti: on your fritz box, what do you have set for DNS settings?
[21:04] <myrti> I'm sorry, I'm not being of much help. I don't seem to have the correct password to access the fritz box :/ I'll try to get it
[21:05] <leftyfb> myrti: the problem is unlikely to be your ubuntu machine. It's either a misconfiguration of your fritz box or something wrong with it or your ISP
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[21:11] <myrti> ok, I'll keep an eye open and check it when I'm in a wifi where I have access to the router. I'm kinda hoping this is solved, as I also had the "dnsstublistener = no" line active when dnsmasq apparently wasn't even installed, so who knows what issues this may have been causing
[21:12] <myrti> I've noted down the commands you gave me and will run them should this happen again.
[21:12] <leftyfb> myrti: if it happens again, you are doing something wrong :)
[21:13] <myrti> Well yes.. But what :D
[21:13] <myrti> there are always so many options
[21:16] <myrti> i'll brb
[21:21] <myrti> so I'm sure it's something I did, but here's the paste after the reboot (before 'restarting' resolved): https://bpa.st/TY7NI and if I'm reading it right resolved is simply not running
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[23:14] <Squared> How are 24.04.1 (upgrade path) rollout going? No big issues with last attempt?
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