| IrcsomeBot | <myfenris> me too (re @IrcsomeBot: <mamarley> I'm looking forward to Plasma 6.2 too. :)) | 02:31 |
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| mamarley | (Not that I've had any problem with 6.1 or anything; it has been a great experience. kwin-wayland especially is getting *really* polished now.) | 10:46 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 11:19 |
| eugenesan | Hi All. | 20:24 |
| eugenesan | I recently started evaluating 24.10 image and have a few suggestions: | 20:24 |
| eugenesan | 1) There are 2 packages that are required for some plasmoids (application-title-bar in particular). The packages are: qml6-module-qt-labs-folderlistmodel and qtchooser. | 20:24 |
| eugenesan | 2) There are some packages that would be extremely useful when using the image for recovery/troubleshooting. The examples are: gparted, kdiskmark, inxi and maybe clonezilla. | 20:24 |
| eugenesan | 3) The default partitionmanager is far less useful than gnome-disk-utility + gparted. | 20:25 |
| eugenesan | 4) The image is missing GPG keys manager so seahorse is a good candidate. | 20:25 |
| eugenesan | 5) There are some minor additions that might be considered as: webp-pixbuf-loader, plasma-discover-backend-flatpak, htop/btop and apps for sound recording and webcam (gnome-sound-recorder/webcamoid?). | 20:25 |
| eugenesan | I know some of the proposed packaged are gnome based but I don't see viable KDE alternatives. | 20:25 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Krecorder is a good kde sound recorder, flatpaks were disabled in Ubuntu? We have instructions to enable on release notes, or did, will ensure we do. | 20:46 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Webcam - kamoso | 20:46 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Kgpg | 20:47 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Plasmoid deps noted | 20:47 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> Canonical forced us to not include plasma-discover-backend-flatpak in the default install | 20:48 |
| mmikowski | sgmoore RikMills eugenesan webcamoid does include powerful video control I do not see on kamoso. | 20:54 |
| eugenesan | mmikowski That's the main reason why I prefer it. | 20:56 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> I would like to stay with KDE options as default, power users can always install preferred apps | 20:56 |
| eugenesan | Seems like Krecorder is a new option we didn't have in previous releases. it "sounds" good ;-) | 20:58 |
| mmikowski | Agreed eugenesan. However, it probably shouldn't supplant the KDE default. I'm looking at it in 5.27, hopefully it's a step up in 6.x :) | 20:58 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Yeah krecorder is relatively new | 20:59 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> That is fair up until a point. The point being when the KDE option is not really good enough to support a good user experience. For example firefox as a browser and thunderbird mail being on our ISO instead of the not great KDE options. (re @sgmoore: I would like to stay with KDE options as default, power users can always install preferred apps) | 20:59 |
| eugenesan | What about seahorse? Do we have a KDE analog? SSH/GPG keys management is important. | 21:01 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> I love kontact, but I get it, it's stability record is not good. Agreed on browser certainly. | 21:01 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Kgpg | 21:01 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> Or kleopatra, but that pulls in lots of PIM deps (re @sgmoore: Kgpg) | 21:01 |
| mmikowski | fwiw, kfocus uses webcamoid as the default after a fairly extensive search as the best option. That was a few years ago, and it's still there as a recommends with the kfocus tools. | 21:02 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Yeah | 21:02 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Not sure kamoso got ported to qt6, so ya'll may win that one | 21:02 |
| mmikowski | I used to run kontact. Then I installed modern thunderbird and never did a database vacuum again. I loved it when it worked, but man, it was a beast sometimes. | 21:03 |
| eugenesan | Just tried to use Kgpg and it seems to no work with standard ssh/gpg configs. Also I don't think it support keys agent functionality. | 21:04 |
| mmikowski | kfocus again specifies Kleopatra as preferred. | 21:04 |
| mmikowski | Can we upstream that ;) | 21:04 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> However, at this point we are probably not going to be able to add/remove things from the ISO/deafult install unless something is quite broken and MUST be replaced | 21:05 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> The time to just add extras is also really past for 24.10 | 21:06 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> IMO | 21:08 |
| mmikowski | https://github.com/kfocus/kfocus-source/blob/NN-2024-Q3/package-main/debian/control | 21:10 |
| mmikowski | RikMills sgmoore That has many recommends, some not appropriate, but meh, it might be useful. | 21:10 |
| mmikowski | eugenesan you might be interested too. | 21:11 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> Things to think on for 25.04 | 21:12 |
| eugenesan | mmikowski Thanks, but I have a script to build my own custom ISOs: https://gist.github.com/eugenesan/0e61fcba39306bb67da910c28902a4e9 | 21:12 |
| mmikowski | RikMills point taken. It's there if you want it. | 21:14 |
| mmikowski | eugenesan: I'm not suggesting anything but that you could get some recommended app ideas. Nice script! | 21:15 |
| IrcsomeBot | <RikMills> Getting plasma 6 into 24.10 was barely done with time or thought to spare, so sadly not had time to look at wider issues like this much this release | 21:15 |
| eugenesan | mmikowski I am defiantly going to borrow some dependencies. I agree, Plasma 6 in 24.10 was too quick and too late. I even missed when it happened ;-) I only realized it's there when Beta hit. | 21:17 |
| mmikowski | Cool eugenesan. | 21:20 |
| mmikowski | RikMills and sgmoore let me know if there is anything I might help with for beta. You can ping me on Matrix as I don't open IRC too much these days. | 21:21 |
| eugenesan | BTW, if anyone is interested in playing with SystemD Boot (instead of grub) I have a working and tested solution: | 21:22 |
| eugenesan | https://git.launchpad.net/~eugenesan/+git/calamares-settings-ubuntu/commit/?h=ubuntu/noble&id=f16ae9191b6e66aed643b93e178a271be2b753e9 | 21:22 |
| eugenesan | https://code.launchpad.net/~eugenesan/+recipe/calamares-settings-ubuntu-sdb | 21:22 |
| eugenesan | Maybe someone will be able to incorporate it as an option in Calamares for future releases. | 21:22 |
| -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Commit f16ae91 in ~eugenesan/+git/calamares-settings-ubuntu "Switch to systemd-boot, add zram and default to BTRFS ubuntu/noble" | 21:22 | |
| eugenesan | mmikowski Is matrix open to public? I don't see it in the IRC header. | 21:23 |
| RikMills | matric is not our official dev channel yet, but #kubuntu-devel:ubuntu.com exists and is public if you are on matrix | 21:25 |
| RikMills | s/matric/matrix | 21:27 |
| eugenesan | RikMills Thanks. I managed to join. For some reason I couldn't find the room in the search, used https://ubuntu.com/community/communications/matrix/onboarding to get there. | 21:37 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> Agreed (re @RikMills: However, at this point we are probably not going to be able to add/remove things from the ISO/deafult install unless something is quite broken and MUST be replaced) | 23:32 |
| IrcsomeBot | <sgmoore> While there are still apps to do, nothing like the intense Plasma 6 packaging, we will be able to have more fun with 25.04 tweaks and improvements. | 23:34 |
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