[02:31] me too (re @IrcsomeBot: I'm looking forward to Plasma 6.2 too. :)) [10:46] (Not that I've had any problem with 6.1 or anything; it has been a great experience. kwin-wayland especially is getting *really* polished now.) [11:19] Hi all [20:24] Hi All. [20:24] I recently started evaluating 24.10 image and have a few suggestions: [20:24] 1) There are 2 packages that are required for some plasmoids (application-title-bar in particular). The packages are: qml6-module-qt-labs-folderlistmodel and qtchooser. [20:24] 2) There are some packages that would be extremely useful when using the image for recovery/troubleshooting. The examples are: gparted, kdiskmark, inxi and maybe clonezilla. [20:25] 3) The default partitionmanager is far less useful than gnome-disk-utility + gparted. [20:25] 4) The image is missing GPG keys manager so seahorse is a good candidate. [20:25] 5) There are some minor additions that might be considered as: webp-pixbuf-loader, plasma-discover-backend-flatpak, htop/btop and apps for sound recording and webcam (gnome-sound-recorder/webcamoid?). [20:25] I know some of the proposed packaged are gnome based but I don't see viable KDE alternatives. [20:46] Krecorder is a good kde sound recorder, flatpaks were disabled in Ubuntu? We have instructions to enable on release notes, or did, will ensure we do. [20:46] Webcam - kamoso [20:47] Kgpg [20:47] Plasmoid deps noted [20:48] Canonical forced us to not include plasma-discover-backend-flatpak in the default install [20:54] sgmoore RikMills eugenesan webcamoid does include powerful video control I do not see on kamoso. [20:56] mmikowski That's the main reason why I prefer it. [20:56] I would like to stay with KDE options as default, power users can always install preferred apps [20:58] Seems like Krecorder is a new option we didn't have in previous releases. it "sounds" good ;-) [20:58] Agreed eugenesan. However, it probably shouldn't supplant the KDE default. I'm looking at it in 5.27, hopefully it's a step up in 6.x :) [20:59] Yeah krecorder is relatively new [20:59] That is fair up until a point. The point being when the KDE option is not really good enough to support a good user experience. For example firefox as a browser and thunderbird mail being on our ISO instead of the not great KDE options. (re @sgmoore: I would like to stay with KDE options as default, power users can always install preferred apps) [21:01] What about seahorse? Do we have a KDE analog? SSH/GPG keys management is important. [21:01] I love kontact, but I get it, it's stability record is not good. Agreed on browser certainly. [21:01] Kgpg [21:01] Or kleopatra, but that pulls in lots of PIM deps (re @sgmoore: Kgpg) [21:02] fwiw, kfocus uses webcamoid as the default after a fairly extensive search as the best option. That was a few years ago, and it's still there as a recommends with the kfocus tools. [21:02] Yeah [21:02] Not sure kamoso got ported to qt6, so ya'll may win that one [21:03] I used to run kontact. Then I installed modern thunderbird and never did a database vacuum again. I loved it when it worked, but man, it was a beast sometimes. [21:04] Just tried to use Kgpg and it seems to no work with standard ssh/gpg configs. Also I don't think it support keys agent functionality. [21:04] kfocus again specifies Kleopatra as preferred. [21:04] Can we upstream that ;) [21:05] However, at this point we are probably not going to be able to add/remove things from the ISO/deafult install unless something is quite broken and MUST be replaced [21:06] The time to just add extras is also really past for 24.10 [21:08] IMO [21:10] https://github.com/kfocus/kfocus-source/blob/NN-2024-Q3/package-main/debian/control [21:10] RikMills sgmoore That has many recommends, some not appropriate, but meh, it might be useful. [21:11] eugenesan you might be interested too. [21:12] Things to think on for 25.04 [21:12] mmikowski Thanks, but I have a script to build my own custom ISOs: https://gist.github.com/eugenesan/0e61fcba39306bb67da910c28902a4e9 [21:14] RikMills point taken. It's there if you want it. [21:15] eugenesan: I'm not suggesting anything but that you could get some recommended app ideas. Nice script! [21:15] Getting plasma 6 into 24.10 was barely done with time or thought to spare, so sadly not had time to look at wider issues like this much this release [21:17] mmikowski I am defiantly going to borrow some dependencies. I agree, Plasma 6 in 24.10 was too quick and too late. I even missed when it happened ;-) I only realized it's there when Beta hit. [21:20] Cool eugenesan. [21:21] RikMills and sgmoore let me know if there is anything I might help with for beta. You can ping me on Matrix as I don't open IRC too much these days. [21:22] BTW, if anyone is interested in playing with SystemD Boot (instead of grub) I have a working and tested solution: [21:22] https://git.launchpad.net/~eugenesan/+git/calamares-settings-ubuntu/commit/?h=ubuntu/noble&id=f16ae9191b6e66aed643b93e178a271be2b753e9 [21:22] https://code.launchpad.net/~eugenesan/+recipe/calamares-settings-ubuntu-sdb [21:22] Maybe someone will be able to incorporate it as an option in Calamares for future releases. [21:22] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Commit f16ae91 in ~eugenesan/+git/calamares-settings-ubuntu "Switch to systemd-boot, add zram and default to BTRFS ubuntu/noble" [21:23] mmikowski Is matrix open to public? I don't see it in the IRC header. [21:25] matric is not our official dev channel yet, but #kubuntu-devel:ubuntu.com exists and is public if you are on matrix [21:27] s/matric/matrix [21:37] RikMills Thanks. I managed to join. For some reason I couldn't find the room in the search, used https://ubuntu.com/community/communications/matrix/onboarding to get there. [23:32] Agreed (re @RikMills: However, at this point we are probably not going to be able to add/remove things from the ISO/deafult install unless something is quite broken and MUST be replaced) [23:34] While there are still apps to do, nothing like the intense Plasma 6 packaging, we will be able to have more fun with 25.04 tweaks and improvements.