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[00:48]  * ludvig_ is testing
[00:48] <ludvig_> it worked
[00:49]  * ludvig_ revels in his success
[00:49] <ludvig_> \x01ACTION message\x01\x0d\x0a
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[01:59] <PSparky|Ryzen7> bprompt, yeah- the first part that was frustrating me was flatpak installed apps were showing up with messed up scaling
[02:01] <PSparky|Ryzen7> that took me a lot of time, the freaken electrical was having issues-had to sort it out
[02:33] <k_sze> Is something wrong with the Singapore mirror (sg.archive.ubuntu.com --> ossmirror.mycloud.services)?
[02:34] <bridd> x.x I have a card that hemorrhages with Nvidia's 560 driver, and since a recent update EVERY package in the repository has become a transitional metapackage that installs 560. It seems that my apt isn't respecting the graphics-drivers ppa I added, and I'm not sure where to turn now.
[02:34] <k_sze> apt is unable to connect to the Singapore mirror.
[02:42] <enigma9o7> great k_sze, you answered your own question
[02:44] <bridd> nvm
[02:44] <enigma9o7> 560 isn't even in the ppa, whereas other drivers are.  So not sure what you mean bridd.  Maybe share something related, like `apt policy nvidia-driver-550` to see where its coming from.
[02:58] <Bashing-om> k_sze: ' ping -c3 sg.archive.ubuntu.com ' indicates the server is up.
[03:02] <tomreyn> 'the server' or the load balancer or firewall (or other) in front of it
[03:33] <k_sze> Looks like the mirror is back.
[03:35] <enigma9o7> i dunno why i said 560 isn't in the ppa, i mean isnt in ubuntu repo, it is in graphics ppa and nvidia repo etc.
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[07:16] <Czernobog> there's an issue with mysql-workbench-community snap package after the new update
[07:16] <Czernobog> it doesn't open and shows segmentation-fault
[07:16] <Czernobog> who do I contact for this?
[07:16] <Czernobog> mysql? snap? ubuntu?
[07:18] <gordonjcp> probably mysql
[07:18] <gordonjcp> it's proprietary software, you'd have to go to the vendor
[07:18] <Czernobog> understood. Thank you
[07:18] <gordonjcp> what have you done to diagnose the problem so far?
[07:19] <Czernobog> re-installation, opening it with terminal, installing on new installation of ubuntu 20.04
[07:19] <Czernobog> and ubuntu 22.04
[07:20] <Czernobog> I am getting same error
[07:23] <Czernobog> https://termbin.com/vo0q
[07:23] <Czernobog> this is the error
[07:43] <LuckyMan> Czernobog, that looks like a Gtk problem, probably your client
[07:46] <LuckyMan> try here: https://github.com/mysql/mysql-workbench
[07:52] <Czernobog> LuckyMan: thank you. I have installed the .deb package for now
[07:53] <Czernobog> LuckyMan: snap had an update today and it stopped working after that
[07:53] <Czernobog> So, I thought it's because of the package
[07:54] <Czernobog> even found it on askubuntu lol
[07:54] <Czernobog> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1528013/randomly-unable-to-launch-mysql-workbench-community
[07:55] <cheflifeworld> nj
[08:02] <LuckyMan> Czernobog, when things like those happen you can revert the snap to the previous version
[08:03] <LuckyMan> and you should notify the snap dev
[08:04] <Czernobog> aah there's revert
[08:04] <Czernobog> I didn't know that
[08:05] <Czernobog> LuckyMan: thank you
[08:06] <LuckyMan> You are welcome :-)
[08:25] <mort> Am I correct in thinking that Ubuntu Server automatically installs software updates by default via unattended-upgrades?
[08:26] <ravage> security updates yes
[08:34] <mort> Ah, so not normal upgrades
[08:35] <mort> I guess I'll enable at least <codename>-updates in 50unattended-upgrades
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[09:06] <rdz> hey all. On two different 24.04 systems I installed jackd and on system the jackd binary is linked to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpipewire-0.3.so.0, while on the other system jackd is not. How can that be? I seem to not understand jack integration of pipewire
[09:20] <isene> Running Xorg... what's the best way to disable trackpad while typing?
[09:24] <mgedmin> rdz: I think you got a real jackd on one system and the pipewire jack compatibility shim on the other one
[09:26] <isene> ...not running Gnome or KDE - just i3 on X
[09:37] <mgedmin> isene: do you use xserver-xorg-input-libinput or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics?
[09:38] <mgedmin> IIRC both had the "disable while typing" feature, but they're configured differently (xinput vs synclient)
[09:39] <isene> mgedmin: Not sure which one. How do I check?
[09:41] <mgedmin> well, if the apt package for -synaptics is not installed, you're definitely not using it
[09:41] <mgedmin> so first check with apt policy
[09:41] <mgedmin> I suppose you can also find out by reading Xorg.0.log?
[09:42] <mgedmin> from memory, the -libinput is newer and default and recommended, and -synaptics is for people who have tweaked their config in ways they can't live without
[09:42] <mgedmin> so by default -synaptics is not installed, and if you install it, xorg will prefer -synaptics automatically
[09:43] <mgedmin> also, from memory, libinput implements the disable-while-typing by default and automatically, but I think synaptics needs a running syndaemon thing or something
[09:43] <mgedmin> I'm not the right person to ask about this, I've never actually used/felt the need for disable-while-typing, and I don't entirely trust my memory
[09:44] <mgedmin> but maybe I've mentioned enough googlable keywords that you can find a working solution
[09:44] <mgedmin> also also the Arch wiki is a useful resource, even if you have to adapt some package names and other things to Ubuntu
[09:45] <mgedmin> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Touchpad_Synaptics#Disable_touchpad_while_typing
[09:45] <mgedmin> and https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Libinput#Enable_the_touchpad_while_typing
[09:46] <mgedmin> the first link is for the old synaptics driver, the second for the new libinput driver
[09:48] <isene> mgedmin: Nope, no synaptics. Will commence with the link you gave for libinput. Thanks :)
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[11:19] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:19] <throwthecheese> Greeting
[11:19] <throwthecheese> sed s/Greeting/Greetings/
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[11:29] <norrland> Hi, hitting my head on an issue with a docker host where an update to a package caused the dockerd service to restart. Along with all of the containers running on the host. Is there any way of forcing apt / systemd not to restart services at all?
[11:31] <mgedmin> there is, but I don't remember the exact syntax
[11:35] <norrland> Also, this happened as part of a ansible-playbook run. So probably an extra layer of things to keep in mind.
[11:35] <mgedmin> see /usr/share/doc/init-system-helpers/README.policy-rc.d.gz
[11:36] <mgedmin> but I wasn't paying attention to see if it's still being used in the systemd world
[11:36] <mgedmin> the readme still exists on my ubuntu 24.04 desktop
[11:38] <norrland> alright thanks.
[12:16] <rdz> mgedmin: thanks. How can I install the pipewire jack shim, then?
[12:17] <rdz> I checked the list of installed packages and I wasn't able to spot the difference between the systems
[12:18] <rdz> Also, I don't remember having installed the like on the system where jackd is linked to libpipewire. However, this system was upgraded from 22.04, while the other one where real jackd is installed was installed directly from 24.04 installed
[12:22] <mgedmin> rdz: what does dpkg -S /path/to/jackd day on each system?
[12:22] <mgedmin> s/day/say/
[12:35] <de-facto> how am i supposed to update the snap store? the ubuntu software updater says it fails to update it because it has running apps
[12:35] <de-facto> this is why i dont like that snap thing, it does not use the standard ways and fails at its own special approach
[12:37] <matsaman> snap is complete nonsense
[12:37] <matsaman> avoid it entirely
[12:38] <de-facto> its on my system as per default and fails to update despite me never having used it
[12:38] <de-facto> how can i fix this?
[12:39] <matsaman> look up how to set your system to disable it and never use it
[12:39] <matsaman> or switch to Debian
[12:41] <de-facto> how can i get rid of that buggy snap stuff?
[12:42] <matsaman> https://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+completely+disable+snaps
[12:43] <CosmicDJ> de-facto: at least firefox and thunderbird are snap-only now; keep that in mind when removing snapd
[12:44] <de-facto> wow so i dont have a webbrowser when i remove that snap stuff?
[12:44] <matsaman> you can still use Firefox
[12:44] <de-facto> did they do this on purpose to?
[12:44] <matsaman> you have to jump through an unusual hoop or two is all
[12:44] <matsaman> Ubuntu does this type of thing on purpose, yeah
[12:44] <de-facto> .(
[12:45] <matsaman> long history of trying to gain a niche by promoting proprietary nonsense
[12:45] <matsaman> really if you don't like snaps, switching to Debian makes the most sense
[12:45] <de-facto> i didnt like buggy snapd before now i hate it
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[12:45] <ubottu> Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks!
[12:45] <matsaman> Ubuntu is sourced from Debian unstable, so it's not a big deal, and really makes more sense to use Debian even if you did like Ubuntu as it is
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> please keep this channel for support questions
[12:47] <ioria> de-facto, i'd try to kill the instance and sudo snap refresh
[12:49] <de-facto> ubuntu software suggests to update snap store, but fails because it already runs. when i kill it it closes the update process
[12:49] <de-facto> lol
[12:49] <de-facto> how am i supposed to use this, even if i dont like that?
[12:50] <de-facto> is this a design architecture failure of the snap store?
[12:51] <rdz> mgedmin: that's the weird thing. both say /usr/bin/jackd is from jackd2
[12:51] <ioria> de-facto, let it finish what's it is doing, then kill snap-store and refresh
[12:55] <de-facto> its not doing anything
[12:55] <de-facto> its offering to update snap store but when i take that offer it fails
[12:55] <de-facto> when i kill the associated pid it dies
[12:55] <de-facto> so again, how am i supposed to update this?
[12:56] <ioria> de-facto, ps -A | grep snap
[12:56] <mgedmin> rdz: okay, but ldd output differs? this is weird
[12:56] <de-facto> ok and then?
[12:56] <ioria> de-facto, what it says ?
[12:56] <de-facto> few lines
[12:56] <mgedmin> rdz: and it's an actual binary, and not a symlink to /etc/alternatives/jackd?
[12:57] <de-facto> https://bpa.st/IQV7A
[12:57] <mgedmin> rdz: at this point my general ubuntu/debian/apt knowledge is insufficient, and I have no specific knowledge of jackd, having never used it.  maybe someone else can help?
[12:57] <ioria> de-facto, you did not kill it
[12:57] <de-facto> i opened it again
[12:58] <de-facto> the ubuntu software
[12:58] <de-facto> i want to update the snap store like it was offered from ubuntu sofware
[13:01] <norrland> mgedmin: bah, seems like 'needrestart' is the culprit here.
[13:03] <de-facto> is there an deb file i can download for snap store ?
[13:04] <mgedmin> de-facto: the snap store is distributed as a snap and cannot be updated from itself
[13:04] <de-facto> where can i download the snap for it and install it?
[13:05] <mgedmin> de-facto: snap store should be updated automatically (provided that it is not running) like every other snap; if you want to force an update now, you can do snap-store --quit && snap refresh snap-store
[13:06] <de-facto> thanks that fixed the error
[13:06] <de-facto> it was not updated automatically before, i had that failure message there for days
[13:19] <mgedmin> yeah, it's very annoying
[13:19] <mgedmin> snapd refuses to upgrade apps that are running; snap-store is always running (in the background)
[14:12] <hermano> I would like to send env variables while using ssh, my line:
[14:12] <hermano> ssh -t myuser@myserver bash -c 'export PASS=secret'
[14:12] <hermano> I do not get errors, but the env variable is not set on the host i ssh towards.
[14:14] <rdz> mgedmin: I guess your knowledge about ubuntu/debian/apt is totally fine. Anyway, thank you a lot so far. I just figured out that both jackd binaries have the same checksum, so they are indeed identical. The difference must with some other library. From what I understand, ldd follows recursively, so that different output doesn't necessarily mean that the checked binaries are different
[14:18] <matsaman> hermano: if you aren't going to set it and use it in the same instance, you'll have to set it to some rc/session/profile config to use in future
[14:38] <rdz> mgedmin: I figured it out. On the system where jackd is linked to libpipewire, there is an override in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/pipewire-jack-x86_64-linux-gnu.conf
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[15:45] <hermano> This works:
[15:45] <hermano> ssh myuser@myserver export MYVAR="myvalue"; echo $MYVAR
[15:46] <hermano> But this does not work:
[15:46] <hermano> ssh myuser@myserver export MYVAR=${variable_value_test}; echo $MYVAR
[15:46] <hermano> sorry, wrong channel.
[16:19] <matsaman> Psi-Jack: I mean, you see what goes on =P
[16:24] <de-facto> maybe /usr/bin/env VAR=secret executable_reading_env
[16:26] <de-facto> maybe even use exec to hide the resulting process by replacing env VAR=secret?
[16:32] <de-facto> hermano  ssh hostname env -i PATH=$PATH VAR=secret env
[16:33] <de-facto> pstree should be sshd -> env without showing VAR=secret but verify yourself
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[18:01] <sevenstar> http://peacemakergame.com make love not war !
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> not here sevenstar
[18:01] <sevenstar> stop all wars
[18:40] <fweht> how can i choose vscode here?  i installed it via snap, and when i clicke on "choose", i can select a file but dont know which file would represent vscode? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vpFYCG1Y/image.png
[18:47] <fweht> ah nvm i got it
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[19:24] <Bahhumbug> flipflopped
[19:24] <Bahhumbug> Meh
[19:28] <PATHAN> Hi
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[19:37] <DSDotName> Hi
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[20:06] <Paddy_NI> This "Too many authentication failures" with ssh to my own machine which is only newly installed is really annoying. I can only login via ssh if I specify "PubKeyAuthentication=no".
[20:06] <Paddy_NI> Totally baffled
[20:23] <osse> Paddy_NI: I think it's because you have (too) many keys in ~/.ssh. Not knowing what to do ssh tries all of them, but the server thinks that's too many.
[20:25] <osse> As in each key is one authentication failure.
[20:28] <sixwheeledbeast> the default is 6 tries IIRC?
[20:39] <omega_doom> I am trying to switch to open nvidia driver (proprietary) but there is an error.  https://freeimage.host/i/dLOASm7
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[20:52] <Guest1274> hi
[20:53] <flx_> hi
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[22:28] <montaser> hi
[22:32] <montaser> hi all
[23:00] <enigma9o7> omega-doom, do you have jammy-updates enabled?
[23:01] <enigma9o7> (with restricted)