| Square | (For anyone wondering, you had to assign a ubuntu global shortcut with a shell command to make it work.) | 00:07 |
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| Square | What is the goto editor for gnome? Both snap and apt install of "gedit" gives various errors so maybe something else now? | 01:40 |
| Square | (in 24.04.01) | 01:40 |
| rbox | if you're getting "various errors" you've seriously screwed somethign up | 01:41 |
| Square | rbox, vanilla install. Probably second program I installed | 01:45 |
| Square | they're just warnings though | 01:45 |
| rbox | so you're getting warnings, not errors | 01:45 |
| rbox | so then use gedit | 01:46 |
| Square | Here they are https://dpaste.org/WWVgO | 01:49 |
| Square | Realized gted is the new default. Seems better so I'll just use that. | 01:49 |
| rbox | you're always gonna get warnings on gtk apps | 01:52 |
| rbox | just ignore them | 01:52 |
| Square | Where did the weather app go? I can't remember what one that came with 24 was called? Gnome weather? Also, how do you get it to show as an applet? | 02:11 |
| Square | Anyone got wether in their top bar and/or indicator area? | 02:36 |
| Square | weather | 02:36 |
| Square | in 24.04 that is | 02:36 |
| tomengland | is there a teams app that doesn't require me to login everytime i open it up? | 03:08 |
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| Your_Dog | for linux? i just pwa that thing | 05:25 |
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| isene | Solution for autogenerating program menus (without running Gnome/Kde/Xfce) - an app launcher? Several years ago I used aemenu, but that is long gone. Any suggestions? | 06:19 |
| morgan-u | Folks, somehow I have no spellcheck at all and I miss it. 22.04 chrome pluma hexchat discord messenger | 06:32 |
| morgan-u | and webpage textboxes | 06:32 |
| sae | hi | 06:33 |
| morgan-u | nEXT how do I install a deb. eg sofa server. | 06:33 |
| morgan-u | sae they dont do "hi" here. you have a question you just ask it straight out. | 06:34 |
| morgan-u | !sae ubottu ask | 06:34 |
| morgan-u | !ask ubottu sae | 06:34 |
| morgan-u | !ubattu ask sae | 06:35 |
| morgan-u | that's a bot that tells you how to do itNext question, how do I use ubottu 22.04 | 06:35 |
| morgan-u | Here you sometimes just have to wait I've asked the spellcheck questionon 2 different days so far. | 06:36 |
| morgan-u | We can go to the "talk" channel to tal /join @ubuntu-offtopic <-- just click on that channelname | 06:37 |
| morgan-u | wrong .join #ubuntu-offtopic | 06:37 |
| morgan-u | !ask | 06:39 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 06:39 |
| morgan-u | !patience | 06:39 |
| ubottu | Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or https://ubuntuforums.org or https://askubuntu.com/ | 06:39 |
| morgan-u | !ubottu | 06:40 |
| ubottu | Hi! I'm #ubuntu's favorite infobot. You can search my brain at https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | General info and channels at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | Make a clone of me, see !botclone | 06:40 |
| morgan-u | I've got no .deb file. If I look in the archives i have all kinds of things. back another day. I had something sofa serverdot deb but it was a folder and didnt open with anything I could put my finger on. TOMORROW | 07:06 |
| morgan-u | I extracted and said keep directory structure but the whole lot opened in downloads, AND I havent got the foggiest as to how to create a folder. I have tried this for years and domehowew never found out how. Everyghing I try gives me submenus that dont include make a folder. Argh! | 07:08 |
| OG_MagiC | :split-window -h -l 20 'cat ~/.irssi/nicklistfifo' | 07:35 |
| rfm | OG_MagiC, you woke us up for that? | 07:37 |
| OG_MagiC | rfm: what? | 07:45 |
| OG_MagiC | oh fuck, wrong window | 07:45 |
| OG_MagiC | my bad | 07:46 |
| naoki | hi | 08:41 |
| naoki | may I ask bootloader configuration (grub/efi/extlinux) on riscv64 and aarch64? | 08:41 |
| naoki | recently I installed Ubuntu 24.04.1 Server from live server image to USB-SSD | 08:44 |
| naoki | everything except u-boot is on USB-SSD | 08:44 |
| naoki | (spl, u-boot, etc are on SPI or microSD, but it doesn't matter) | 08:46 |
| naoki | it seems ubuntu server uses grub/efi to boot kernel | 08:46 |
| naoki | but dtb seems not to be loaded from file system on aarch64 | 08:47 |
| naoki | on aarch64, dtb combined with u-boot is used for kernel | 08:48 |
| naoki | on riscv64, it seems something copy dtb to /boot/dtbs/ and probably grub/efi uses it | 08:50 |
| naoki | but, | 08:51 |
| naoki | 1. I want to use dtbs from /lib/linux-image-`uname -r`/ | 08:51 |
| naoki | 2. I want to use extlinux instead of grub/efi | 08:51 |
| naoki | what should I do for it? | 08:51 |
| comph | naoki: i have no idea about your question but maybe it has something to do with your partition layout | 09:05 |
| comph | or maybe not | 09:05 |
| comph | somehow ubuntu boots from the ubuntu partition in my case, even tho it's not the first partition | 09:06 |
| comph | well, i messed it up by changing the the wrong thing in grub, then it would boot from the first partition | 09:06 |
| comph | and couldn't even find the ubuntu partition; so i reinstalled grub on my later partition and it worked again | 09:07 |
| comph | but sometimes it seems that the OS can make changes to the mbr or something, when it boots, so the bootloader gets corrupted (win) | 09:08 |
| toddc | naoki: may have better luck in ubuntu-server | 09:15 |
| xypron | naoki: The package flash-kernel uses /proc/device-tree/model to look up the device-tree file name in a database and copies the relevant one to /boot/. grub-update adds a devicetree command in grub.cfg to use this device-tree. If you want to use /extlinux/extlinux.conf you have to installe package u-boot-menu and run u-boot-update. | 09:16 |
| yziquel__ | debug symbols for apt: https://packages.debian.org/sid/apt-dbgsym. anyway to get them in ubuntu ? | 09:31 |
| naoki | xypron: I already install u-boot-menu to generate proper extlinux.conf, but I cannot change boot method from grub/efi to extlinux | 09:38 |
| naoki | and thanks for the info about flash-kernel, I'll check it | 09:38 |
| xypron | naoki: I thought that U-Boot prioritizes extlinux. If you uninstall flash-kernel and GRUB it should pick up extlinux/extlinux.conf. Please, be aware that if you do not boot via EFI flash-kernel will write a script /boot/boot.scr. What U-Boot are you using? | 09:41 |
| naoki | I'm using mainline u-boot (v2024.10-rc5 now) | 09:42 |
| naoki | well, /boot/boot.scr doesn't exist on both aarch64 and riscv64 | 09:43 |
| naoki | mainline u-boot works well with extlinux before I installed ubuntu server | 09:45 |
| mrocco | Hello | 09:45 |
| naoki | I tried to remove efi things under /boot/, but still u-boot try to load/run efi/grub :( | 09:45 |
| xypron | naoki: rename /EFI to /EFI.old | 09:46 |
| xypron | naoki /EFI/boot/bootriscv64.efi is the fallback for booting via EFI | 09:47 |
| naoki | then u-boot fails to boot... | 09:47 |
| naoki | I'll try again | 09:47 |
| xypron | naoki: as you are asking about upstream Ubuntu maybe #u-boot would be the right channel. For extlinux to work CONFIG_BOOTMETH_EXTLINUX must be enabled. | 09:55 |
| naoki | CONFIG_BOOTMETH_EXTLINUX=y | 09:56 |
| naoki | it was worked before I (re)installed ubuntu server | 09:56 |
| Guest29 | https://ubuntucommunity.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/original/3X/b/5/b594aa3fe512474c8210e3d125b5557406d77654.jpeg | 10:34 |
| Guest29 | What is LVM used for? | 10:34 |
| toddc | Guest29: Logical volume manager Instead of set partitions sizes linux can enlarge any partition as needed | 10:36 |
| tomreyn | Guest29: LVM can make it easier to resize file systems / reallocate disk space to file systems. it can also support file system snapshotting | 10:36 |
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| tomreyn | (there is also software RAID support in LVM) | 10:37 |
| tomreyn | in case you're familiar with windows, they have a similar concept called "dynamic disk" | 10:38 |
| Guest29 | toddc tomreyn thansk a lot, so i guess in any case it is better to install ubuntu with this LVM both with and without encryption, i.e. in the sense that it is still a good and useful thing | 10:40 |
| tomreyn | depends. if you already know you'll never need it anyways, it may be better to not use lvm because it increases complexity | 10:41 |
| tomreyn | it's one more layer you (or whoever manages your computer) would need to learn to handle | 10:42 |
| Guest29 | toddc tomreyn ok but seeing from the image it is necessary to do the encryption, without encryption I could choose whether to use LVM or not, instead if I use encryption I have to use it by force | 10:48 |
| mgedmin | if you plan to ever change your partition layout, it's a very very good idea to use LVM | 10:58 |
| mgedmin | if you just install once and will never touch the partitions, you can skip it | 10:58 |
| ogra_ | yeah, LVM is really only useful if you need to dynamically resize stuff on the fly | 10:58 |
| Guest29 | mgedmin ogra_ yes but it's necessary for encryption if i understand well | 11:07 |
| mgedmin | right | 11:08 |
| Guest29 | for now I have saved with password and checked the encryption checkbox only for a few things via a winrar archive, I'm not very good at computers, I don't know what is the best system to protect privacy and all your personal data including vacation photos, girls you meet around or musical works that I create and that I don't want anyone to listen | 11:12 |
| Guest29 | to before I complete them, but I remember that then there were programs that used a technique called "BRUTE-FORCE" that tried all possible combinations of characters to find the password and open winrar archives with password and also with the encryption option checked. Since even encryption without winrar if I'm not mistaken the data is encrypted | 11:12 |
| Guest29 | on the HD but you always have to use a password, maybe with this brute-force method it is possible to find the password and access or not? | 11:12 |
| yziquel__ | Guest29: if you are "not good at computers", then the following answer may not suit your needs. But, on the command line, there is a tool called "pass" that allows you to automatically generate randomised passwords, store them in an encrypted fashion on your hard drive, and get them in your clipboard from the command line so that you may copy paste the generated passwords. https://www.passwordstore.org/ | 11:16 |
| yziquel__ | it solves many practical day to day issues. but i'm a command line kind of person... so your mileage may vary. | 11:16 |
| toddc | apg will also generate passwords soo many ways when using linux I also use encrpted ZFS but it has bit of a learnig curve ext4 is sooo easy I skipped lvm but many use it | 11:18 |
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| yziquel__ | toddc: does apg handle storage by default, like pass ? or is it just a password generator ? | 11:26 |
| Guest29 | yziquel__ toddc i read the article. Too difficult for me, but i'm just talking about the mechanism of operation. if the data on the disk is encrypted, if i understood correctly you can't access it from the pc itself also because when you start ubuntu you have to enter a password and maybe this is needed both to access the operating system and to | 11:27 |
| Guest29 | access the encrypted data on the disk, and you can't access it for example with the hard disk disassembled and connected via cable or in any case elsewhere. But what i wanted to say is that even if the data on the disk is encrypted and we still need a password to access it, isn't it possible for malicious people to find this password through these | 11:27 |
| Guest29 | programs that use the BRUTE-FORCE technique to find passwords? | 11:27 |
| toddc | yziquel__: just a password generator only I also recommend keepassXC for sites but you will need to remember your password for encrypted drives and log in | 11:29 |
| yziquel__ | Guest29: the data is encrypted with a master GPG key. So, essentially, you type your unique password locally on your computer (the only one you keep in your head), and pass will give retrieve your randomised password and put it in the clipboard for you to copy paste into whichever applicate requires it. So all the security is in your head, not on disk. And you can access as many randomised password as | 11:30 |
| yziquel__ | you want. one per website/application. This way you solve the brute issue, because it's randomised, and also the security issue because it's encrypted. If you want even more security, get a yubikey. | 11:30 |
| toddc | Guest29: yes but if the drive is not encrypted it can be read fron a boot disk or mounted on another computer | 11:31 |
| yziquel__ | toddc: no. the key is encrypted. if your hard drive is not encrypted, your key is still encrypted. if you have password at boot time issue, then get a yubikey so that it's external. once upon a time, i had a FSF smartcard doing that. to read the key on the smartcard, you need to have serious technology. like state actor or big corporation. | 11:32 |
| yziquel__ | to read (maliciously) the key on the smartcard. | 11:33 |
| Guest29 | yziquel__ yes but i'm referring to data on hard disk not for sites, app and wer services. I'm talking about the cases of losing your computer or hard disk and you don't know in whose hands they end up and who accesses all your data or what they can do with it. regarding the password, even if it is unique and you don't have it written down anywhere | 11:38 |
| Guest29 | but you simply remember it by heart, through these brute-force methods they could still find it with countless combination attempts | 11:38 |
| yziquel__ | Guest29: if you lose your hard disk and it gets into someone else's hands, then he can read the public GPG key of all your passwords. He can also read the private GPG key. But it's encrypted with a passphrase, which is the only thing you need to keep in mind. If he doesn't have access to the passphrase, the attacker cannot unlock your private key, unless your passphrase has low entropy and is | 11:40 |
| yziquel__ | susceptible to brute force attacks. so take a passphrase with high entropy | 11:40 |
| yziquel__ | only good entropy protects you from brute force. | 11:41 |
| yziquel__ | and brute force is not that easy for an attacker. | 11:42 |
| yziquel__ | what will compromise your secrity is more your daily flaws than an attacker brute forcing a good entropy passphrase. | 11:43 |
| Guest29 | "yes but if the drive is not encrypted it can be read fron a boot disk or mounted on another computer" toddc yes, but even encrypted i guess it can be read if someone use a program for decryption and a method to find the password such as the brute-force techiniques | 11:44 |
| yziquel__ | Guest29. even if it is read, your private GPG key is protected by a good entropy passphrase. so your data is safe. | 11:45 |
| pragmaticenigma | entropy is not a measure of strength. it is a measure of randomness. please stop with the mischaracterization. | 11:46 |
| yziquel__ | Guest29: brute force works only if the passphrase is chosen idiotically. if "brute force" worked, the whole blockchain world would not exist. | 11:46 |
| yziquel__ | pragmaticenigma: sorry. i'm a mathematician. i tend to use the words i know on the matter. please expand on the distinction if you feel like it. | 11:47 |
| pragmaticenigma | yziquel__: don't need to be a mathmatician to read the definition of a word. | 11:48 |
| yziquel__ | pragmaticenigma: i do believe entropy is key to avoid brute force attack. not sure the dictionary will help me out on that. | 11:49 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 11:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | yziquel__: You could have "high" entropy in an short, say 8 character, passphrase and a modern computer can brute force that in about an hour or less. You could have low entropy an a passphrase 512 characters long, and it will take a brute force attack hundreds of years to figure out. Entropy has little to do with the strength of a passphrase. All entropy does is aid in the ability to pick a random passphrase that is unlikely to guessed | 11:58 |
| pragmaticenigma | through things like social engineering. | 11:58 |
| yziquel__ | pragmaticenigma: ok. then replace "entropy" with "entropy in the sense of Kolmogorov-Chaitin algorithmic complexity". | 12:12 |
| yziquel__ | pragmaticenigma: entropy is a measure of information, in fact. | 12:12 |
| pragmaticenigma | yziquel__: if you're going to use a word like entropy... you need to put away your books and degrees and approach it from the standpoint of someone who doesn't have all that. The base definition is at best what anyone can be expected to know. You would have been far better off using the phrase "high complexity" in the assumption that most people here are going to have a better grasp of that and your intent and meaning. | 12:18 |
| yziquel__ | pragmaticenigma: i do grant you that i use the term in the sense of a mathematician. | 12:19 |
| pragmaticenigma | Knowledge is knowing a Tomato is a fruit. Being smart is knowing a Tomato does not go well in a fruit salad. | 12:28 |
| yziquel__ | pragmaticenigma: i would disagree, given the times we are in. | 12:31 |
| ravage | !ot | 12:31 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 12:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest29: I'm not sure if you're still out there. Encrypting a drive is mostly about reducing the ability of a random stranger coming upon your computer and being able to access the information held within. In most cases, that random stranger is more likely to think the device is broken and attempt to format the drive so they can use it. This would be the preferred outcome, as the data because irrecoverable once the drive has been | 12:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | reformatted. In the rare case someone thinks it is worth their while to find out what is on the drive. The goal there is to make sure you have created some passphrase or password that is sufficient complex that attempting to brute force the drive is going to outlast yours and theirs lifetimes. In short, really encrypting a drive is about keeping honest people honest, and the less honest sufficiently busy enough to not cause immediate | 12:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | harm to you by discovering what is on your drive. | 12:35 |
| hwpplayer1 | my sha value is not the same as written on the website, what does it mean ? is it exploited ? | 12:58 |
| yziquel__ | hwpplayer1: maybe you used the wrong program to compute the sha. | 12:58 |
| hwpplayer1 | I downloaded via Firefox ESR | 12:59 |
| ravage | and it means that it differs. nothing else | 12:59 |
| yziquel__ | or the website could be out of date | 12:59 |
| hwpplayer1 | I'm gonna switch from Debian Bookworm | 12:59 |
| hwpplayer1 | I run sha256sum command sha... file... | 12:59 |
| hwpplayer1 | But the USB was working it has been booted | 13:00 |
| hwpplayer1 | Though the interface was buggy | 13:00 |
| yziquel__ | sha256sum seems ok as a command line. | 13:00 |
| hwpplayer1 | I guess too | 13:00 |
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| RikMills | hwpplayer1: what ISO from what webpage? | 13:01 |
| ravage | shadyisos24.io 🙂 | 13:02 |
| pragmaticenigma | hwpplayer1: a mismatched hash (or sha) value indicates the downloaded file may have experienced corruption in transit, or the storage device didn't successfully write the file or has become corruted on the disk. Recommend downloading the file to a known good drive (not a USB stick) and verify there. | 13:03 |
| pragmaticenigma | hwpplayer1: also, since I've seen this a few times recently, make sure your checking the actual file you downloaded | 13:09 |
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| realivanjx | "dpkg --add-architecture arm64" is not working on noble? how do i install arm64 packages on amd64 architecture for cross compiling? | 14:58 |
| realivanjx | Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/noble-security/restricted/binary-arm64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.81 80] | 14:59 |
| ravage | sudo apt update | 14:59 |
| mgedmin | realivanjx: you may need to add Architectures: amd64 to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu.sources for the security.ubuntu.com URL | 15:02 |
| mgedmin | afaik arm64 only exists on ports.ubuntu.com | 15:02 |
| realivanjx | ravage: thats the error from apt update | 15:02 |
| mgedmin | by default apt update will try to download the lists for every architecture from every configured archive URL, unless you add the 'Architectures: ...' override | 15:03 |
| ravage | also I don't think that architecture is on that servers | 15:03 |
| realivanjx | do you know the one liner command to do that? this is for docker container build | 15:03 |
| ravage | It's on ports.ubuntu.com | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | it might be possible to write a sed oneliner, but I don't want to risk messing things up and corrupting your sources.list | 15:06 |
| mgedmin | I would edit the .sources file with vi (I like vi) | 15:06 |
| Adry | hello all, does anyone have skill in postinst of a debian package installation on ubuntu ? | 15:19 |
| enigma9o7 | Surely someone does. | 15:20 |
| leftyfb | Adry: it's best if you describe the issue you are having an issue with | 15:21 |
| Adry | yes thank :-) | 15:21 |
| Adry | I already have a installed software (our software in company), for example with the 8.0.0-1440 version, and when I try to update it with (sudo apt install mypackage.8.0.0-1489) the preinst script log correctly "update and 8.0.0-1440" of input parameters of the preinst script, but in the postinst script I got "configure" for first parameter and | 15:24 |
| Adry | no second parameter (where I hope to find the new version 1489). I checked on the deb package the 1489 version is correctly set and I don't know why isn't consedered as an update in the postinst script :-( | 15:24 |
| mgedmin | Andy: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-flowcharts.html implies that the postinst should be called with 8.0.0-1440 as the parameter, if I understand the diagrams correctly | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | this is confusing | 15:31 |
| mgedmin | the ubuntu wireguard howtos are useful | 15:39 |
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| croraf | Hi guys, I have some issue that has become unbearable so I need support. I access the internet via wi-fi connecting to Mobile phone hotspot. At first it worked fine, but since a year or two ago I have trouble establishing connection, so I need to turn wifi on-off, turn hotspot on-off, restart, and at random it manages to connect. After the connection is established it works perfectly. | 16:05 |
| pragmaticenigma | croraf: how often do you reboot the mobile phone? | 16:07 |
| croraf | very rarely (but i never reboot it to establish the connection) | 16:08 |
| pragmaticenigma | croraf: I would start by rebooting the phone more often. Residual effects can linger from what's been run on the device. The next part is that I don't think there is a solve from Ubuntu. If the computer is able to connect to other wifi access points, the problem is more likely the phone. Check your saved wifi connections and remove any that you do not connect to regularly, or more importantly do not recognize. I have difficulty | 16:11 |
| pragmaticenigma | connecting to my phone's hotspot mode when it's connected to another wifi that it is configured to use. Making sure that either unused connections are removed, or turinging off wifi before starting the hotspot would be my operating procedure. | 16:11 |
| croraf | pragmaticenigma, I haven't really tested but the problem seems to be either in Ubuntu or in specific Ubuntu+my_phone combination. Other devices immediately connect to phone's hotspot. I need to test if PC has trouble connecting to other hotspots. | 16:19 |
| enigma9o7 | I'd just use a cable, avoid the problem completely. | 16:20 |
| croraf | Someone should check the logs and see exactly what is the reason for failure | 16:20 |
| croraf | cable to what? | 16:21 |
| enigma9o7 | usb cable from pc to phone | 16:21 |
| croraf | To share internet? I didn't know this is possible | 16:21 |
| enigma9o7 | Its called USB tethering, and certainly possible, and as long as you enable it on thep hone side, it's automatic on ubuntu side. | 16:22 |
| pragmaticenigma | cabled connections are possible, don't know if all manufactures and/or models support it | 16:24 |
| croraf | and reduces power consumption I guess, so many benefits | 16:25 |
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| alina | hello | 18:43 |
| enigma9o7 | Welcome. | 18:46 |
| nb_ | I Use Arch BTW | 18:48 |
| lotuspsychje | this is the ubuntu support channel btw | 18:51 |
| alina_ | male moon | 18:55 |
| lee | my bluetooth headpones are not working | 19:38 |
| lee | wont show up under devices | 19:39 |
| bprompt | lee: does your computer have bluetooth? not all do, is it ON? it could be off | 19:43 |
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| Guest20 | how can i tell if Intel ME is disabled with ubuntu 24 | 20:44 |
| enigma9o7 | If you wan tot be sure it's disabled, you could add the kernel parameter that turns it off.... but I realize that wasn't yur question. | 20:46 |
| Guest80 | Can i just install windows and download window mE tool | 20:47 |
| Guest80 | It would be easier | 20:47 |
| enigma9o7 | easier thanwhat? And that wouldn't tell you if it was turned off in ubuntu anyway. | 20:47 |
| Guest80 | Well i duno how to add the kernel parameters | 20:49 |
| enigma9o7 | Unless you disabled it, I would just assume it's on, but is there some reason that is prompting you to ask? | 20:49 |
| Guest80 | Ive librebooted my bios with version 612 | 20:49 |
| Guest80 | I thought 612 libreboot automatically removed intel ME | 20:50 |
| Guest80 | i ran a few commands in terminal but im unsure if intel ME is on | 20:52 |
| leftyfb | Guest80: sudo dmesg | grep -i intel_me | 20:52 |
| morgan-u | I want to install a .deb -beginner at this. I have this https://www.cherryservers.com/v3/assets/blog/2023-12-11/01.png and using the ff page for guidance, I dont understand what to pu after the sudo apt install ----- So I dont understand waht they are doing. | 20:53 |
| morgan-u | https://www.cherryservers.com/blog/install-deb-file-ubuntu | 20:53 |
| Guest80 | That command doesn't do anything | 20:53 |
| leftyfb | then it's not enabled | 20:53 |
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| Guest80 | So intel ME is off? | 20:53 |
| leftyfb | yes | 20:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | morgan-u: this channel only provides support for software available in the Ubuntu package repository. For help with software direct from the developer you will have to ask them for assistance. | 20:54 |
| leftyfb | morgan-u: sudo snap install opera | 20:54 |
| Guest80 | Oh ok another guy on here told me different but his English wasn't great | 20:54 |
| ab_ | haj | 20:54 |
| enigma9o7 | sudo apt install ./filename.deb | 20:55 |
| Guest80 | He said if that command doesn't work, Intel me is on | 20:55 |
| leftyfb | Guest80: he was wrong | 20:55 |
| Guest80 | But he told me to put in sudo dmesg | greg -i mei_me | 20:56 |
| enigma9o7 | morgan-u If you can't understand basic command line usage of apt, then install gdebi from software manager and that can install it. | 20:56 |
| Guest80 | The worry part is, is if i type sudo intelmetool -d -m | 20:57 |
| Guest80 | I get | 20:57 |
| Guest80 | ME pci device is hidden | 20:57 |
| leftyfb | morgan-u: if you open the "Ubuntu Software" app and search for "opera", you can install it from there | 20:57 |
| Guest80 | rcba address: -xfed1c000 | 20:57 |
| Guest80 | MEI not hidden on PCI, check visibility | 20:58 |
| Guest80 | Can't find me PCI device | 20:58 |
| Guest80 | But ive seen other say they got a different response when typing that command | 20:59 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest80: Intel ME is integrated into the CPU, it's not going to show up on the PCI device list | 20:59 |
| Guest80 | Im using a q9000 quad core | 20:59 |
| Guest80 | Its a old thing | 20:59 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest80: What exactly is the concern? | 21:00 |
| enigma9o7 | well in that case, | 21:00 |
| leftyfb | Guest80: there's no supported method in Ubuntu for disabling Intel ME. It's a firmware issue and the tools for modifying said firmware are beyond the scope of this channel | 21:00 |
| Guest80 | So what OS you recommend | 21:00 |
| pragmaticenigma | It cannot be disabled by the OS | 21:00 |
| leftyfb | Ubuntu | 21:00 |
| leftyfb | pragmaticenigma: not exactly true, but also not supported nor recommended | 21:01 |
| Guest80 | So what do i do then, i might aswell not of bothered flashing the bios chip | 21:02 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest80: If you had any hope of being able to disable it, it would have been in the manufacturer supplied firware/bios | 21:02 |
| leftyfb | Guest80: put it back the way you found it. Or maybe try #hardware for support with messing with the firmware | 21:03 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest80: But again, what is the concern exactly? | 21:03 |
| pragmaticenigma | Is it interferring with something? | 21:03 |
| Guest80 | I just wanted to know if Intel ME was removed from my system | 21:03 |
| leftyfb | why? | 21:03 |
| Guest80 | Thats the whole point of having custom firmware on my laptop | 21:04 |
| leftyfb | why do you need custom firmware on your laptop? | 21:04 |
| Guest80 | To get rid of ME | 21:04 |
| leftyfb | why? | 21:04 |
| Guest80 | Because its spyware and a problem according to some | 21:04 |
| ravage | you see that your are going in circles here right? | 21:05 |
| leftyfb | good luck | 21:05 |
| Guest80 | its like me adding a anti virus to my laptop | 21:05 |
| leftyfb | it's not | 21:05 |
| Guest80 | if it gets rid of intel Me then it does | 21:05 |
| leftyfb | Remote Management != spyware | 21:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest80: It is required for the CPU to operate. When anything references disabling it, is primarily disabling it's ability to communicate when the machine is turned off, using the ethernet port. Which allows the manufacturer and other tools to flash system components without having to fully power the machine on. | 21:06 |
| Guest80 | I here is does but, im not sure about the boot sequence on laptops, They change over the years | 21:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest80: it has nothing to do with that | 21:07 |
| Guest80 | So all the stuff on you tube is BS | 21:08 |
| Guest80 | ive just been watching some videos online and thought id give it ago, Im no expert on this | 21:08 |
| leftyfb | Guest80: you're putting an awful lot of thought and effort into a perceived problem based on false information | 21:08 |
| leftyfb | Guest80: put it back and enjoy your laptop | 21:09 |
| enigma9o7 | yeah broadcast tv is true | 21:09 |
| Guest80 | How do i know you lot are telling the truth? | 21:09 |
| enigma9o7 | if you want to trsut something, just trust tv. | 21:09 |
| leftyfb | enigma9o7: please stop | 21:09 |
| enigma9o7 | anyone can upload soemthing to youtube | 21:09 |
| enigma9o7 | but to get on tv takes more effort | 21:09 |
| tomreyn | in fact, everyone should stop discussing firmware on this channel | 21:10 |
| tomreyn | Guest80: please try your luck elsewhere. there is also #ubuntu-offtopic, which has its own set of rules | 21:10 |
| tomreyn | that's not because i'm trying to hide something, but because this is an ubuntu support channel | 21:10 |
| Guest80 | I cannot believe how some of you sit here and give out all the answers you must have boring lifes | 21:11 |
| Guest80 | I come on here to ask, if i get the answer im off. Thats why i don't believe you guys | 21:11 |
| tomreyn | Guest80: i dno't know your answer, and i don't think the others know it ultimately, too, based on what i read. but that's not the point, please stay on topic here. | 21:12 |
| enigma9o7 | I cannot believe some people waste their time watching youtube, but to each their own. | 21:13 |
| Guest80 | Â Because its got me here, Learning about libreboot, I would of never of found this site | 21:14 |
| Holiday | Hello! I'm tryin to use authselect on 24.04.1 server but I'm getting "/etc/authselect/authselect.conf is missing". pam-auth-update doesn't seem to have flags for like pam_access.so, and I was trying to avoid editing the /etc/pam.d/ by hand to follow another units more Red Hat approach. Any suggestions? | 21:15 |
| Holiday | weirdly all other like "list", test" whatever for authselect works, I just can't do the "authselect select sssd" or it barks about the authselect.conf file | 21:16 |
| tomreyn | Holiday: is authselect a software ubuntu provides? | 21:17 |
| leftyfb | it doesn't look like it to me | 21:18 |
| tomreyn | !info authselect noble | 21:18 |
| ubottu | authselect (1.5.0-1, noble): Tool to select authentication and identity sources from supported profiles. In component universe, is optional. Built by authselect. Size 153 kB / 957 kB | 21:18 |
| pragmaticenigma | Holiday: maybe this is more Ubuntu specific way of achieving your goal: https://documentation.ubuntu.com/server/explanation/intro-to/sssd/ | 21:18 |
| Holiday | hrm I guss it does come from universe, didn't realize | 21:18 |
| tomreyn | and i didn't realize authselect was packaged for ubuntu | 21:19 |
| leftyfb | oh, I was checking on jammy, I guesss it is in noble | 21:19 |
| Holiday | yeah I checked 23.10 (local machine) and was like hrm doesn't exist... weird. 24.04 it does haha | 21:19 |
| Holiday | so I guess I'll just edit the files by hand or copy over from my 22.04 LTS template. I just know a different related team to mine uses authselect with the service and providers to do up the pam configs that way (easier to automate too), but if you edit by hand then authselect will scream "SOMEONE TOUCHED THSE, I'M NOT DOING THINGS" | 21:20 |
| Holiday | so I was trying to avoid that but looks like that's the way. I apprecate helping me catch that comes from Universe and not a standard package as well. The RHEL admins can just be sad :) | 21:21 |
| tomreyn | glad we could 'help' there. ;) | 21:22 |
| Holiday | I'll try to find a way to reach out to the maintainer of the package too to let them it may be missing a required file? Thanks again! | 21:23 |
| tomreyn | #ubuntu-server might know more about it, too | 21:25 |
| tomreyn | but you may need to invest some time in getting a response | 21:26 |
| Holiday | understood, I'll poke over there. Thanks! | 21:26 |
| Holiday | hey just wanted to update, it is that type of Monday. Re-checked a RHEL 9 I have, then re-tested 'authselect select sssd --force' on the 24.04 and it at least "worked" this go. I think it's just a sign to quit for the day! Thanks again haha | 21:35 |
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| lord_ | help | 23:30 |
| Bashing-om | !ask | lord_ | 23:31 |
| ubottu | lord_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 23:31 |
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