[00:04] <pragmaticenigma> jsmooth: something isn't right... I don't know why it would be saying anything about mantic. So personally, I wouldn't do anything except abort. Something isn't right
[00:05] <jsmooth> Isn't that going to break ths system?
[00:05] <pragmaticenigma> Did you make a back up of the machine before you started the upgrade?
[00:05] <jsmooth> Nope.
[00:06] <pragmaticenigma> For your future self. Step one of upgrading Ubuntu, Make a back-up.
[00:06] <pragmaticenigma> true for all OSes
[00:08] <pragmaticenigma> for your present self. I don't know how it says upgrade complete, but then upgrade may not work. Are you sure it says upgrade complete, and not something like upgrade precheck complete?
[00:08] <jsmooth> Nah, it said upgrade complete.
[00:08] <jsmooth> I was wondering the same thing
[00:09] <pragmaticenigma> have there been any added repositories added to apt on this install?
[00:10] <jsmooth> Only the ones that the upgrade added for noble
[00:10] <jsmooth> I don't remember adding anything
[00:16] <pragmaticenigma> can you pastebin what's in the terminal?
[00:20] <pragmaticenigma> jsmooth: I don't think you risk data loss by continueing. Hopefully you have a live disk availble to rescue your data if things are broken. Otherwise, hang around for a bit and hopefully someone else can walk through deeper troubleshooting
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[08:34] <skraitoz> hi all wanna chat some classified stuff about computer architecture ? ... . come to irc hackint.org channel #0x17
[08:59] <ciampix> hello people ... I found a HUGE bug in the 24.04 installer ... or that seems to me ... I have to reinstall a (root) partition ... I always (and it always worked) deleted all root dirs except for the /home ... reinstalled without formatting and giving the same use... but now with the 24.04 that is now impossible ... you either not format and not use a partition or use and format (and all /home contents are gone...)
[09:00] <ciampix> where is the but report page?
[09:01] <ciampix> s/use/user/ in the first message...
[09:02] <zaggynl> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/report-ubuntu-bug.html.en
[09:03] <ciampix> and the package name is?
[09:04] <zaggynl> I don't know, the mentioned page shows what to do.
[09:06] <ciampix> mmm Alt+F2 is for reporting bugs in the current machine... this bug apply on the live installer on ALL machines... not my day2day use machine (that I am NOT reinstalling ... that is another one...)
[09:09] <ciampix> the thing is ... till 22.04 one could always specify the root partition for the installer with the choice of NOT formatting. Now you either install and format or not format and not install ... the "format partition" option is read only...
[09:11] <mgedmin> the installer is new, isn't it?  they rewrote ubiquity and now use ubuntu-desktop-installer
[09:12] <mgedmin> the new installer is https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision/
[09:12] <zaggynl> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/04/25/ubuntu-24-04-lts-noble-numbat-released/ suggests https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity
[09:13] <mgedmin> and look, exactly the opposite of what you want: https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision/issues/563
[09:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 563 in canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision "Force format root partition" [Closed]
[09:14] <mgedmin> this feels like new people writing new code without considering formerly possible but not documented anywhere hidden use cases
[09:14] <ciampix> exactly
[09:16] <ciampix> @mgedmin, @zaggynl MANY thanks to point me to the right direction...
[09:28] <ciampix> as a turnaround I installed the 22.04 and upgraded to 24.04... :-( slow but it worked...
[09:29] <mgedmin> if you do this often maybe consider a separate /home partition?
[09:29] <|3b|> what's the best way to upgrade from 22.10 (on cli)? do-release-upgrade tries to upgrade to 24.04, and then fails because "An upgrade from 'kinetic' to 'noble' is not supported with this tool.". all the docs i can find say "use do-release-upgrade"
[09:29] <mgedmin> but yeah, a bug asking whether the loss of the ability to reinstall without reformatting is intentional might be good
[09:30] <PeGaSuS> !eol
[09:30] <ubottu> End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[09:30] <PeGaSuS> |3b|: ^
[09:30] <mgedmin> hey, when you do ubuntu-bug with no parameters it gives you a bunch of choices, two of which are 6: installation and 7: installer
[09:30] <mgedmin> where do these reports end up on launchpad?
[09:30] <mgedmin> I'd like to check if anyone already filed a complaint about the new desktop installer
[09:30] <mgedmin> (since I haven't found anything on github issues)
[09:30] <|3b|> PeGaSuS: thanks
[09:31] <mgedmin> plus I'd love it if anyone explained to me the difference between installer bugs and installation bugs
[09:31] <mgedmin> installer bugs apparently target ubiquity
[09:32] <ciampix> mgedmin, I'll try this way in a few secs the ubuntu-bug tool ... (thanks for the suggestion...)
[09:32] <mgedmin> installation too?
[09:35] <mgedmin> looks like ubuntu-bug is not keeping up with the changes
[09:35] <mgedmin> the ubiquity bugs that mention 24.04 are mostly about flabors like xubuntu, that still use ubiquity instead of the new installer
[09:37] <ciampix> see my comment ... should I open a new BR? https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision/issues/563
[09:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 563 in canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision "Force format root partition" [Closed]
[09:41] <|3b|> the EOLUpgrades page seems to suggest i just need to get the noble upgrader from meta-releases when i see that error, but that just says the same thing. I assume i actually need to go through all the intervening releases first, do i just do those with upgraders from meta-release?
[09:51] <serciv> Hello
[09:53] <serciv> i have a question, i need to set a password to access to my browser on ubuntu 24.04, can somebody help me?
[09:58] <hex7> hi all
[09:58] <hex7> where to get ubuntu source code ?
[09:59] <hex7> how much ?
[10:00] <hmerlo> hi
[10:02] <serciv> hi @hex7 what do you mean how much?
[10:14] <hex7> so
[10:14] <hex7> where is ubuntu source code located ?
[10:25] <tomreyn> serciv: you can set a password protecting your stored logins in firefox, is this what you're meaning to do?
[10:25] <tomreyn> it won't stop someone having access to your logged in user account from accessing the browser history, though
[10:26] <tomreyn> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/use-primary-password-protect-stored-logins
[10:29] <serciv> nono, i mean, i have a shared accounts with my coworkers but i need to lock a certain app so i can store my stuff there on my work pc, is there a way to lock only that app?
[10:30] <serciv> because i don't want them to see my work stuff
[10:30] <serciv> but at the same time i want my work stuff to stay in the work pc
[10:33] <tomreyn> |3b|: you'll need to either do a fresh install - which may be better and easier - or upgrade from 22.10 to 23.04, then to 23.10, then to 24.04 LTS, using the EOL upgrade process described on the wiki page, effectively editing sources.list to point to "old-releases" for any of these intermediate releases which are no longer hosted on "archive.ubuntu.com" (or its mirrors). the do-release-upgrade tool can only be used for upgrade target releases
[10:33] <tomreyn> which have not yet beem moved off archive.ubuntu.com (to old-releases)
[10:36] <tomreyn> serciv: not in a secure way, you'd need separate user accounts at least. if you expect your keyboard input not to be logged you could store your browser profile in an encrypted file or encrypted storage compartment and only make this available while you need to access it, again making it unavailable to others while you don't.
[10:37] <tomreyn> but generally, on computers shared by multiple users who all have phyisical access, it's not really possible to reliably prevent others from accessing your data, if they are somewhat knowledgable and are a little dedicated
[10:39] <tomreyn> the closest thing to a sufficently easy enough to handle way of not immediately exposing your personal data to others (but not in a way that they can't still access it) would be to work with multiple browser profiles. firefox -P   brings up the profile manager
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[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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[13:04] <BarnabasDK> Do anyone have any idea why grub has this behaviour - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fYbw6dd4Jz/ - grub refuses to update to include the installed vmlinuz-6.8.0-45-generic
[13:06] <BarnabasDK> if I reboot the system goes into emergency mode, and I have to do an update-initramfs -u -k back to version 44 in order to boot
[13:06] <BarnabasDK> I think the "grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem." is the 45
[13:07] <BarnabasDK> as far as I and apt can tell - the 45 is installed correctly
[13:20] <tomreyn> BarnabasDK_: if you can boot normally with -44, then do so and run   sudo update-initramfs -k 6.8.0-45 -c   and then try to boot into -45 again
[13:20] <tomreyn> also make sure you run    sudo update-grub
[13:26] <BarnabasDK_> yeah - but grub does not find it
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[13:27] <mgedmin> zfs sounds fun
[13:27] <mgedmin> how come update-grub fins a -41 and a -44 kernel when /boot contains a -44 and a -45?
[13:27] <mgedmin> what is mounted on /boot?
[13:28] <mgedmin> I know that 'rpool/ROOT' is a zfs thing, but I don't know enough about zfs to even ask relevant questions
[13:28] <BarnabasDK> an rpool - I only have the one (laptop) rpool/ROOT/ubuntu_9jipvg everything in the same one
[13:29] <BarnabasDK> so only used for snapshot purposes and encryption
[13:30] <mgedmin> could update-grub be scanning some old snapshot?
[13:30] <BarnabasDK> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cf9yYwTM6g/
[13:33] <BarnabasDK> zfs list -H -o name -t snapshot - no output - I had the same idea - so I purged all snapshots
[13:35] <BarnabasDK> is there any way to figure out what the error message from grub on grub-update is? "uknown filesystem" which makes no sense
[13:38] <mgedmin> it says it's from grub-probe, which kind of makes sense maybe
[13:38] <mgedmin> but is annoyingly vague
[13:38] <mgedmin> at least it could say what device it was trying to probe
[13:39] <BarnabasDK> I think it finds something it does not like and then it does not produce a new list of kernels - keeping the old one
[13:39] <mgedmin> you're not the only one who's seen this problem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1514185/zfs-system-update-grub-not-detecting-updated-kernel-images-in-boot-ubuntu-20-04
[13:40] <mgedmin> I'm failing to find anything _useful_ in these posts
[13:41] <BarnabasDK> seems he managed to nuke the entire EFI boot in grub - mine works just fine
[13:43] <BarnabasDK> something just keeps grub from producing a correct boot list - I suppose I could do it by hand in the config files but that is not really a fix
[13:50] <mgedmin> BarnabasDK: have you searched for your problem in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2?
[13:51] <BarnabasDK> I think maybe it is more likely I have a config error somewhere and the file /boot/grub/grub.cfg is produced by grub-mkconfig with errors
[13:51] <mgedmin> I don't see anything with the search terms I tried
[13:52] <mgedmin> it's a shell script, it ought to be debuggable
[13:54] <mgedmin> the kernels are enumerated by /etc/grub.d/10_linux and/or 10_linux_zfs AFAIU
[13:54] <mgedmin> I wonder if you can run those scripts manually and see what they produce to stdout?
[13:54]  * mgedmin has to run pick up kid from school
[13:54] <hex7> hi all
[13:54] <BarnabasDK> good idea
[13:55] <hex7> :)
[13:56] <hex7> hi shoes
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[14:20] <BarnabasDK> This seems to be sourced by /etc/grub.d/10_linux_zfs and/or /etc/grub.d/10_linux both produce a cannot open /grub-mkconfig_lib: No such file. It seems to be an attempt at the following source . "${pkgdatadir}/grub-mkconfig_lib" - so if pkgdatadir is blank - this would result in the error produced by both the above and thusly - probably also by grub-mkconfig.
[14:21] <Guest83> does anybody know about ubuntu server distro with MEAN stack installed out of the box
[14:21] <BarnabasDK> So that needs to be set somewhere - I am trying to work out where. I really do not think this is a ZFS issue though - it seems to be the config generation scripts in GRUB
[14:21] <leftyfb> Guest83: sorry, but we can only support official ubuntu distro's here
[14:22] <Guest83> not looking for support...it was a general question
[14:23] <leftyfb> Guest83: try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:24] <Guest83> ok thanks
[14:26] <tallis> ♫ [Spotify: NATTAN - Agora é Pra Valer]
[14:26] <leftyfb> tallis: please don't do that here. This is a support channel
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[14:33] <BarnabasDK> setting pkgdatadir="/usr/share/grub" in the top of those two shell scripts makes them behave - it is probably the wrong place though. now the /etc/grub.d/10_linux_zfs produces a usable output - however grub-mkconfig and grub-update seems to not react to it
[15:39] <Sevenhill> Hello everyone
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> welcome Sevenhill
[15:47] <Sevenhill> may i ask what is the binary name of qmlls on *buntu systems ( for qt6 ) , is it qmlls or qmlls6 ? ( i mean the binary file linked to qmlls  in /usr/bin )
[16:00] <oerheks> qml6, not qmll6 i guess
[16:00] <Lkasus> I'm trying to install gcc 7 but I get this error: Package g++-7 is not available, but is referred to by another package. What can I do?
[16:01] <enigma9o7> You're not able to use a newer gcc?  What version of ubuntu?  Last version that had it was focal.
[16:03] <Lkasus> enigma9o7 I have to use gcc 7.3.0 ubuntu 22.04
[16:03] <leftyfb> why?
[16:04] <enigma9o7> Well 7.3 is back in bionic :)
[16:04] <leftyfb> bionic is EOL
[16:04] <oerheks> 22.04 would give gcc9 ..
[16:04] <leftyfb> Lkasus: I would suggest using the gcc provided in 22.04
[16:05] <enigma9o7> If you really have to use 7.x, which seems unlikely, but one solution on modern ubuntu would be a distrobox container of bionic or focal.
[16:05] <Lkasus> leftyfb I did and on the server with ubuntu 20.04 it told me /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.29' not found (required by XXXX
[16:06] <leftyfb> Lkasus: I thought you said you were running 22.04
[16:07] <Lkasus> leftyfb yes here I have 22.04 made the source and want to run the program on 20.04
[16:07] <leftyfb> Lkasus: upgrade 20.04
[16:08] <Lkasus> leftyfb No, that's out of the question. How else can I solve this?
[16:09] <enigma9o7> well you could build it on the 20.04 machine?  or as I said, use distrobox
[16:09] <leftyfb> Lkasus: Ubuntu 20.04 will be EOL in 6 months
[16:10] <leftyfb> LXD would be a better suggestion over distrobox since distrobox isn't a supported package in ubuntu
[16:10] <Lkasus> leftyfb I just want to install gcc 7, why doesn't that work?
[16:10] <oerheks> build that source on your 20.04 .. do not make it harder than it is
[16:10] <oerheks> why the limit to gcc7?
[16:10] <Sevenhill> oerheks : i'm not asking qml i'm asking the qmlls ( language server )
[16:11] <enigma9o7> oh right, its only in noble, not 22.04, my bad.
[16:18] <oerheks> one could mess around with the toolchain ppa,... but not sure this answer will still work https://askubuntu.com/questions/1393285/how-to-install-glibcxx-3-4-29-on-ubuntu-20-04
[16:24] <Lkasus> How to fix /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.29' not found on ubunto 20.04?
[16:25] <oerheks> likely not.
[16:25] <oerheks> what are you trying to build?
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[16:34] <migs> is this thing on?
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> we see you migs
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> you can ask ubuntu support questions here
[16:50] <migs> ohhh hi!! this is my first time messing with IRC. i thought i joined the indieweb IRC, am i in the right place?
[16:51] <leftyfb> migs: you are on IRC. Specifically, an Ubuntu support channel
[16:51] <migs> ohhh thats because i'm joining from my ubuntu desktop i think
[16:51] <migs> what did yall eat for breakfast today? i had coffee eggs and beans
[16:52] <migs> with avocado
[16:52] <migs> wait thats not ubuntu support question my b
[16:52] <leftyfb> migs: feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic to chat. This channel is for ubuntu support
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[17:41] <jacob> hi
[17:43] <enigma9o7> Welcome.
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[18:49] <dman777> is it possible to install sudo apt-get install cairo-dock cairo-dock-plug-ins and specify to exclude gnome packages?
[18:52] <bprompt> dman777:    IIRC apt does allow exclusions, hmmm you can just download the package alone and then install them using "dpkg -i" instead,   with -----> sudo apt-get download cairo-dock cairo-dock-plug-ins
[18:53] <bprompt> dman777: the "download" argument downloads the .deb files to the current working directory the command was issued from
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> dman777: you want to install cairo on another ubuntu flavour?
[18:54] <dman777>  I don't use gnome desktop and I am scared it would hose my system and install gnome
[18:54] <dman777> on focal
[18:54] <oerheks> how many kb would you gain?
[18:55] <dman777> https://dpaste.org/TjLbE
[18:57] <bprompt> hmm
[18:58] <bprompt> dman777: so why you want to install hmm
[18:59] <dman777> I want cairo-dock
[18:59] <bprompt> dman777: why you need the dock anyhow?   installing gnome packages on a system using a different "desktop manager" works fine, unless is some integral component the manager has already replaced, like the systray
[19:01] <bprompt> dman777: I mean, I have run KDE apps way far back, since I was running Mandrake or before, and I usually would install Gnome and KDE in the same system, however mainly booting to kde, because I use, still use, gnome as well as kde apps
[19:03] <bprompt> dman777: the cairo dock, sounds like it'd be a systray app, which your system may already have replaced, and no use, so  you may be able to install it, and it'll be installed, but never loading unless using Gnome desktop manager
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> when installing kde packages, it also pulls all dependencys to gnome
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> think its normaly behaviour for apt
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[19:49] <dman777> I have a minmimal system with no desktop manager and I am using compiz fusion.
[19:50] <dman777> I have had past experiences where nvidia drivers (if I remember correctly) pulled in gnome dependencies and it seemed to modify the system libraries to permentally use gnome instead of not using any desktop manager
[19:53] <bprompt> dman777: is possible that if you had no desktop manager, installing "any" will make it the default, thus any modifications reflecting that, that said, "apt" installs a package and any dependencies and co-dependencies needed by it
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[19:57] <pragmaticenigma> cairo-dock is a metapackage, I think you can avoid gnome-settings-daemon by installing cairo-dock-core and optionally cairo-dock-plug-ins explicately
[19:58] <pragmaticenigma> though it's possible the plugin's dependency packages may pull in gnome specific items, so you may have to get the plugins directly by their package names
[19:58] <pragmaticenigma> dman777: ^ ^
[20:01] <JanC> when doing that sort of things, probably make sure not to install recommended dependencies
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> JanC: there are no "recommends" in ths case
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[20:03] <JanC> there might be recommends of other dependencies etc.
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> JanC: go and see for yourself. https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/cairo-dock
[20:04] <JanC> but dependencies of dependencies might have recommends; just avoid that to be safe
[20:05] <JanC> e.g. with the plugins also
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> JanC: Before I made such a suggestion, I did the research and made sure. You're just making stuff up.
[20:08] <JanC> if you say so; it was meant more as a general advice though
[20:10] <pragmaticenigma> No JanC, you wait until someone actually provides something tangible to help and then attempt to add your "Well Awktually..." that no one cares about and doesn't want to hear. If you're unwilling to do the research and help people, find somewhere else to hang out. You constantly do that, and it's unwelcome.
[20:16] <JanC> okay, now we know you also have mind reading capabilities
[20:32] <dman777> hmm... It does have Suggested packages and Recommended packages
[20:33] <dman777> https://dpaste.org/TjLbE#L52,62,63,64,65
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> dman777: If you install the cairo-dock-plugins metapackage, you will get those. Something I said was possible earlier. The "cairo-dock-core" does not pull-in any gnome dependencies. If you need plug-ins, I recommend installing the specific ones you need individually.
[20:53] <discriminate_me> i had a boyfriend named "Ubuntu" once
[20:54] <discriminate_me> he would "play the bongos" on my ass
[20:57] <oerheks> ..
[20:58] <discriminate_me> everyone must laugh
[21:04] <dman777> pragmaticenigma: ok, than kyou
[21:04] <dman777> thank you
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[21:14] <Azrcvo> hi
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