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| Skia | o7 | 15:00 |
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| slyon | o/ | 15:00 |
| liushuyu | o/ | 15:00 |
| uralt | o/ | 15:00 |
| juliank | #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team | 15:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 15:00:54 UTC. The chair is juliank. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 15:00 |
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| juliank | #topic Lightning rounds | 15:00 |
| juliank | #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-2024-10-17/ | 15:01 |
| ginggs | o/ | 15:01 |
| zhsj | o/ | 15:01 |
| mateus-morais | o/ | 15:01 |
| ravikant_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| upils | o/ | 15:01 |
| pushkarnk | \o | 15:02 |
| ogayot | o/ | 15:02 |
| mkukri | o/ | 15:02 |
| bdrung | \o | 15:03 |
| andersson123 | o/ | 15:03 |
| mkukri | what are we using LLVM-18 in focal for? that backport is scary | 15:04 |
| liushuyu | mkukri: two words: Firefox Thunderbird | 15:04 |
| adrien | \o | 15:04 |
| mkukri | ah ic that explains it | 15:04 |
| juliank | fwiw I'm working on accessing the reports.qa.ubuntu.com but I'm timing out so far | 15:07 |
| juliank | But it might be trying https only for now | 15:07 |
| juliank | Obviously my firefox is set https-only, and the site doesn't have https | 15:07 |
| Skia | juliank: working fine with http | 15:07 |
| juliank | But _normally_ there should be a fallback button once it fails to upgrade | 15:08 |
| Skia | I'll probably see to enable https this cycle, but sadly won't hack that right now :-) | 15:08 |
| dbungert | In my report I have a stack overflow link where I had to tweak hsts to get the sponsoring report to load | 15:08 |
| juliank | I'll restart my firefox | 15:09 |
| bdrung | i need to find some time to figure out how to setup letsencrypt with juju | 15:09 |
| bdrung | for the sponsoring report | 15:10 |
| juliank | Oh yes | 15:11 |
| juliank | dbungert: Thanks | 15:11 |
| juliank | So I guess it turns out ubuntu.com enabled HSTS for all *.ubuntu.com | 15:12 |
| juliank | So it's not possible to visit the reports after having been to the web page once | 15:12 |
| juliank | #topic Release incoming bugs | 15:13 |
| juliank | #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-oo-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 15:13 |
| Skia | there isn't HSTS on autopkgtest.ubuntu.com, so no | 15:13 |
| liushuyu | You can try w3m instead | 15:13 |
| adrien | works for me | 15:13 |
| juliank | It works now after clearing all ubuntu.com data in firefox | 15:13 |
| dbungert | Skia: I had to remove the inherited value for ubuntu.com | 15:13 |
| upils | There is already a bug in http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-pp-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs :) | 15:13 |
| Skia | oh, okay, I see what you meant now | 15:13 |
| juliank | bug 2084208 | 15:13 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2084208 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade fails when esm is enabled" [Medium, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2084208 | 15:14 | |
| waveform | afraid that report really doesn't work in w3m ... too much js :) | 15:14 |
| juliank | upils: Sigh it's too early! | 15:14 |
| juliank | That sounds striaght forward and awkward | 15:14 |
| juliank | Let's just take it | 15:14 |
| slyon | upils: we've been kicking that down the road for a while :) | 15:14 |
| upils | oh yeah! | 15:15 |
| juliank | bug 2083942 | 15:15 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2083942 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "snaps are not upgraded to the latest version before upgrading to the next ubuntu release" [Wishlist, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2083942 | 15:15 | |
| juliank | I believe we should take that too | 15:15 |
| enr0n | juliank: should we just block upgrades if esm is enabled in that case? | 15:15 |
| enr0n | sorry, I don't think we concluded the previous bug | 15:15 |
| juliank | enr0n: We probably need to remove the sources and justu pgrade | 15:16 |
| enr0n | juliank: hm, I don't have a great understanding of how the ESM stuff works, but it seems to me that this might be unexpected for users | 15:17 |
| juliank | enr0n: there is no esm for interim releases so the expectation is for it to be disabled again | 15:17 |
| juliank | Otherwise youc an't upgrade | 15:18 |
| enr0n | juliank: right, I am just wondering if this should be made clear to users who might not realize that. Just a y/n prompt | 15:18 |
| juliank | Or you can prompt I suppose | 15:18 |
| enr0n | this feels like a product-y question | 15:18 |
| juliank | Or we could publish empty ESM repositories for non-LTS, shrug | 15:18 |
| juliank | That's a question for the Pro team | 15:19 |
| enr0n | anyways, we can move on I think | 15:19 |
| juliank | Yes | 15:20 |
| juliank | so snaps, should we refresh them all during release upgrade? | 15:20 |
| enr0n | They should get refreshed on reboot, and we prompt for reboot | 15:20 |
| enr0n | We used to actually do the refresh during upgrades, but that caused bugs in some cases, so we changed the logic to do the channel switch if needed | 15:21 |
| enr0n | And let the next refresh do the work | 15:21 |
| juliank | You are saying all snaps are refreshed at boot? | 15:21 |
| enr0n | My understanding was that snapd had some logic for this, yes | 15:21 |
| enr0n | But I am not 100% sure actually | 15:21 |
| juliank | Well let's add a snapd task | 15:21 |
| juliank | #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 15:23 |
| juliank | bug 2041518 is still with desktop | 15:23 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2041518 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk:5:_g_log_abort:g_log_writer_default:g_log_structured_array:g_log_structured_array:g_log_structured_standard" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2041518 | 15:23 | |
| juliank | bug 2078579 | 15:23 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2078579 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Holding Back libpcap0.8t64:amd64 rather than change libibverbs1:amd64" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2078579 | 15:23 | |
| juliank | This is one of those awkward deep deives | 15:24 |
| juliank | I can't quite think about that; we need to dive deeper but we don't want to spend a week debugging the solver for this either | 15:25 |
| juliank | Let's move on for now | 15:26 |
| juliank | bug 2081323 | 15:26 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2081323 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Local-only mirror disabled; no mirror left" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2081323 | 15:26 | |
| juliank | So we had a discussion about a similar issue vorlon but here we have a local mirror that does not work *but* an ESM archive enabled, so it still believes there was a mirror and doesn't produce useful messages or something | 15:26 |
| juliank | 2024-09-20 17:57:28,720 ERROR No 'ubuntu-minimal' available/downloadable after sources.list rewrite+update | 15:27 |
| juliank | 2024-09-20 17:57:28,720 ERROR 'ubuntu-minimal' was not downloadable | 15:27 |
| juliank | This is not really helpful for the user | 15:27 |
| juliank | And I *think* without ESM it would use archive.ubuntu.com because it sees no official Ubuntu source? | 15:27 |
| vorlon | (I don't recall a similar issue I was involved in fwiw) | 15:28 |
| enr0n | yeah,if the esm archive was not present (i.e. no valid sourcec found) that should be the fallback | 15:28 |
| juliank | vorlon: well to be fair it was like 2-3 months ago :D | 15:28 |
| enr0n | FWIW I think --allow-third-party or whatever also allows local mirrors | 15:28 |
| juliank | yeah | 15:28 |
| juliank | So we should take this, improve the error message and special case "only ESM is a valid source" | 15:29 |
| enr0n | ack | 15:29 |
| juliank | bug 2083068 | 15:30 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2083068 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Broken libglib2.0-dev:i386 Depends on python3:i386 < none | 3.12.3-0ubuntu2 @un uH >" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2083068 | 15:30 | |
| juliank | glib2.0 is shared so we could take this | 15:30 |
| vorlon | juliank: I remember stuff around broken local mirrors but not about esm being enabled :) | 15:30 |
| juliank | I'll go take the glib2.0 I guess, desktop did not seem interested :D | 15:31 |
| juliank | And I assigned it myself to, I need to re-validate the fix | 15:32 |
| juliank | bug 2083575 | 15:32 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2083575 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "failed upgrade left apt sources on wrong release" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2083575 | 15:32 | |
| juliank | enr0n: this is funny | 15:32 |
| enr0n | looking | 15:32 |
| juliank | I guess we should abort the upgrade or install ubuntu-minimal first | 15:33 |
| juliank | Or except KeyError: print("blah") | 15:33 |
| enr0n | what in the | 15:33 |
| slyon | but original sources should always be restored, I guess | 15:34 |
| slyon | (on failure) | 15:34 |
| juliank | yeah | 15:34 |
| juliank | but if you don't have ubuntu-minimal installed, the check fails if all mirrors are disabled | 15:34 |
| juliank | if you have ubuntu-minimal installed, an ubuntu-minimal is around even with empty sources.list | 15:34 |
| juliank | without it, there is none, and the cache lookup we do fails :D | 15:34 |
| juliank | Like I said, this is very funny | 15:35 |
| juliank | And the sources are restored in normal control flow but not if an exception happens | 15:35 |
| juliank | We could also install a global exception handler that does rollback | 15:35 |
| enr0n | yeah tag away | 15:35 |
| enr0n | we definitely want a cleaner, more reliable rollback | 15:36 |
| juliank | tagged | 15:36 |
| juliank | #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs&ia=web | 15:37 |
| juliank | bug 2083529 | 15:37 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2083529 in networkd-dispatcher (Ubuntu) "networkd-dispatcher: scripts not executed for renamed interfaces" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2083529 | 15:37 | |
| juliank | Who wants to play with networkd? | 15:37 |
| juliank | I know it's my package :| | 15:37 |
| enr0n | I guess me? If it's networkd | 15:37 |
| juliank | I guess networkd-dispatcher reads the wrong field from networkd | 15:38 |
| enr0n | Not that I know what networkd-dispatcher is | 15:38 |
| juliank | It's a python script that listens to networkd and dispatches hook scripts | 15:38 |
| juliank | It's aaaaaargh | 15:39 |
| juliank | Anyway I did tag this | 15:39 |
| enr0n | Hm okay, I will ask more questions later | 15:39 |
| juliank | And that wraps up incoming bugs | 15:39 |
| slyon | enr0n: you can pull me in on that if needed | 15:39 |
| juliank | Well I guess we can talk about the dbus-broker MIR again | 15:39 |
| enr0n | slyon: ack thanks | 15:40 |
| juliank | slyon: We should just move hook script running into netplan :D | 15:40 |
| juliank | Any news about dbus-broker? | 15:40 |
| slyon | :P | 15:40 |
| juliank | I noticed that there's yet a new dbus broker in town now | 15:40 |
| juliank | I remember hearing about it at all systems go | 15:40 |
| slyon | busd | 15:41 |
| juliank | bug 2015538 fwiw | 15:41 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2015538 in dbus-broker (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dbus-broker" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015538 | 15:41 | |
| liushuyu | didn't they want to promote varlink too | 15:41 |
| bdrung | you guys from the past! varlink is the future! ;) | 15:41 |
| juliank | Different people doing different things | 15:41 |
| juliank | *systemd* is all crazy about varlink | 15:42 |
| juliank | Also the main APT author is all crazy about it | 15:42 |
| slyon | I think for dbus-broker to be feasible, we still need upstream improvements in gdm (and other greeters?) | 15:42 |
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| juliank | :D | 15:42 |
| bdrung | or gdm switching to varlink | 15:43 |
| juliank | heh | 15:43 |
| slyon | :D | 15:43 |
| juliank | We write our own dbus broker | 15:43 |
| juliank | It encapsulates dbus messages in varlink | 15:43 |
| adrien | I'll watch. | 15:44 |
| liushuyu | (Haven't we already seen the same story regarding REST vs GraphQL?) | 15:44 |
| juliank | But alright, nothing new in dbus-broker land | 15:44 |
| juliank | GraphQL is *amazing* | 15:44 |
| juliank | Amazingly annoying | 15:44 |
| bdrung | juliank, dpus is has so many issues in the protocol. the implementation cannot fix that. | 15:44 |
| juliank | #topic Team proposed-migration report | 15:44 |
| juliank | We are going to skip this bit | 15:44 |
| juliank | We don't have an archive to work on | 15:44 |
| juliank | #topic AOB | 15:44 |
| juliank | Anything else? | 15:45 |
| juliank | Otherwise we stop at :46 :D | 15:45 |
| bdrung | 3cpio to rule the world!? | 15:45 |
| juliank | yes yes | 15:45 |
| juliank | To be fair I just want to ship prebuilt initrd cpio archives and combine those :D | 15:46 |
| juliank | but I digress | 15:46 |
| juliank | Final call! | 15:46 |
| juliank | 3 | 15:46 |
| juliank | 2 | 15:46 |
| juliank | 1 | 15:46 |
| juliank | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 15:46:37 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-10-17-15.00.moin.txt | 15:46 |
| bdrung | you can use 3cpio during prebuilding initrds as well. | 15:46 |
| juliank | Thanks everyone | 15:46 |
| slyon | thanks juliank! | 15:46 |
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