[04:39] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfdesktop 4.19.5 released @ http://www.mail-archive.com/xfce-announce@xfce.org/msg00972.html
[08:30] <fossfreedom> Unit193: FYI - I've had time now to test libxfce4windowing v4.19.7 on budgie.  We require changes to make things compatible.  I've got these ready - so any time you want to consider your uplift to the new version in the future I'm able to transition with you. Thx.
[08:31] <Unit193> Will the same breaks/replaces work in Debian as Ubuntu?
[08:32] <fossfreedom> yep
[08:32] <Unit193> With that xfdesktop4 release I'm ready to go, maybe even tomorrow.
[08:32] <fossfreedom> nice.
[08:34] <Unit193> And the associated budgie-core version would be..?
[08:38] <fossfreedom> so for experimental  we'll just bump from 10.9.2-2 to 10.9.2-3.  I'm discussing with upstream when a microversion bump would be most appropriate.
[08:40] <fossfreedom> Debian is ahead of even fedora rawhide, they haven't apparently looked at any xfce4 4.19 stuff - makes a change.  So we have the joy of testing all of this new stuff.
[08:44] <Unit193> If the microrelease is quite soon then I can wait.  I plan to push to my apt repo first and ensure the breaks are working, as well as xfdesktop4.  Right now, when I close my lid and re-open the desktop icons are gone..
[08:45] <Unit193> xfdesktop:ERROR:../src/xfdesktop-volume-icon.c:267:xfdesktop_volume_icon_peek_label: code should not be reached
[08:45] <Unit193> Bail out! xfdesktop:ERROR:../src/xfdesktop-volume-icon.c:267:xfdesktop_volume_icon_peek_label: code should not be reached
[08:45] <Unit193> Hey that's cool..
[11:06] <bluesabre> Oh hey, sounds like you're running into the issues I saw on 4.19.3 :)
[11:07] <bluesabre> Unit193: FYI...
[11:07] <bluesabre> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8xJIF49O/image.png
[11:08] <bluesabre> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EWeapNS3/image.png
[21:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: That does not sound like fun...  Interesting that you saw that on 4.19.3, I didn't start getting it until 4.19.4 afaik.
[21:39] <bluesabre> Yeah. Predictably, Brian wants no part of my argument.
[21:40] <bluesabre> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9dOh7Bxl/image.png
[21:41] <bluesabre> Xfce remains about as hostile as it was when I stopped contributing to it :D
[21:41] <Unit193> That really sucks. :/
[21:42] <bluesabre> Oh well, guess there's 9 months of him being annoyed.
[21:43] <Unit193> Well, and the next release because we can't downgrade now.  It used to work better when the dev releases were more stable, but I want the LTS/Debian's stable with stable releases to work well...
[21:44] <bluesabre> 4.20 is expected in December at least
[21:46] <Unit193> Basically I'll follow whatever you want, I'd like to do dev releases but..
[21:51] <Unit193> bluesabre: FWIW, I didn't poke on matrix or anywhere they'd see it.  Just in here and #xfce-dev.
[21:59] <bluesabre> We'll continue doing dev releases since we're already shipping 4.19
[22:02] <bluesabre> If #xfce-dev persists and doesn't have a bot that says "go away" (and still has Xfce devs on the channel) , I'd argue it's not an illegitimate place to poke for xfce dev, but that's just me.
[22:05] <bluesabre> I'm not opposed to doing SRU paperwork for the 4.19 updates we can ship in oracular
[22:12] <Unit193> I don't know how we'd work out libxfce4windowing.
[22:25] <bluesabre> PPA only, I guess
[22:30] <Unit193> https://dpaste.org/Hr7Sj I think the next release makes a few more private.
[22:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: In the future we could sync dev releases to PPA and push for people to try them out?
[22:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: Yeah, that seems like it will be the way to go.
[22:51] <Unit193> When I stop being too chicken, I'll push all three to my apt repo and at least try them out locally.
[22:53] <bluesabre> 🐔 193
[22:53] <bluesabre> When I post that, what does it look like on not irccloud? A chicken emoji? The word chicken between colons?
[22:56] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/sstmp/38277ae6-733d-42ec-8e25-924fe85dc398.png I have symbola instead of noto emoji though.