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[00:26] <oerheks> if you like to register your irc name, it is not expensive
[00:26] <oerheks> !register
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[00:28] <oerheks> and launchpad https://login.launchpad.net/
[00:31] <oerheks> !pro
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[00:32] <oerheks> yes, free
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[01:00] <oerheks> no, really free
[01:01] <oerheks> !member
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[02:15] <arkanoid> my usb disk that generally writes at 50Mb/s now writes at 1365kB/s in 24.04
[02:16] <oerheks> so? it might start fast, and slow over time
[02:19] <arkanoid> oerheks: if I disconnect and plug into windows or other linux, it is fast
[02:19] <oerheks> other side is the host part, how fast can it deliver?
[02:20] <arkanoid> well, considering that "windows" and "other linux" runs on the very same hardware
[02:23] <arkanoid> consider that unmounting that drive takes 5 minutes
[02:24] <arkanoid> on other linux: immediate
[02:24] <arkanoid> other linux is arch btw (they want me to say this)
[02:51] <k3nder> fedora failed me y'all
[02:51] <k3nder> I'm back to ubuntu
[02:51] <k3nder> this is what i get for having a graphics card
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[07:46] <EvenOA> thinkpad laptop with thinkpad usb-c docking station, my two connected monitors are black after upgrading to latest 24.04 kernel
[07:46] <EvenOA> it seems the USB 3.0 device is not there ?
[07:46] <EvenOA> # uname -r 6.8.0-47-generic
[07:46] <EvenOA> This used to work with a (I think) -39 kernel
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: did you test a previous kernel yet?
[07:52] <EvenOA> I have not done that yet, can I use an older kernel (-39) with the current installation
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: default your ubuntu system will keep 3 last kernels, you can check wich are in your list if you have something lower then the 6.8 series?
[07:55] <EvenOA> ok, will try to boot a lower kernel than, I'll be back when I have some more info, thanks
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> wb EvenOA
[08:08] <EvenOA> My two screens connected to usb-c docking station went black after upgrading to 24.04
[08:08] <EvenOA> uname -r 6.8.0-47-generic
[08:08] <EvenOA> This is a fresh install, so I don't have any earlier kernels in grub
[08:08] <EvenOA> This used to work for the earlier kernel, which possibly was 6.8.0-39
[08:08] <EvenOA> Can this be debugged without downgrading ?
[08:09] <masic> hello
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> welcome masic
[08:09] <masic> wow finally found some people haha
[08:11] <masic> woah they are leaving
[08:13] <masic> welcome
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> !chat | masic
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[08:14] <masic> !chat test
[08:17] <masic> is there any guide, how to use this platform? im new.
[08:18] <masic> !chat
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[08:18] <lotuspsychje> !guidelines | masic
[08:18] <ubottu> masic: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[08:19] <masic> thanks and nevermind
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: can you share your 'sudo dmesg' in a !paste please
[08:33] <EvenOA> great, pasted but I am new here not sure if it worked
[08:33] <EvenOA> FYI, it seems the usb devices are not there , so the displaylink-driver does not start
[08:33] <EvenOA> maybe you need this; https://bpa.st/7GXA
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: could you try testing your dock again with secureboot disabled please
[08:35] <EvenOA> will do, thanks
[08:40] <EvenOA> Two screens connected to usb-c docking station went black after upgrading to 6.8.0-47-generic
[08:40] <EvenOA> Booting with SecureBoot disabled did not change anything
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: ok tnx for testing can you paste sudo lshw -C video
[08:42] <EvenOA> lshw -C video https://bpa.st/EQ6A
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: seems good there
[08:43] <EvenOA> Should I not have two displayport devices there ?
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: this command would list your graphics cards
[08:44] <EvenOA> ok, only one then
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: are you on xorg or wayland?
[08:45] <EvenOA> xorg I believe
[08:46] <EvenOA> but I am pretty sure some usb devices are missing, there should be a USB 3.0 hub with two devices beneath for the displayport connected monitors
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: does it also influence your ethernet?
[08:49] <EvenOA> lotuspsychje it only affects the monitors
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> im searching into bugs
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: system up to date to latest also?
[08:51] <EvenOA> lotuspsychje yes after it failed during a normal upgrade I did a fresh install cleaning the disks at the same time
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: ok, i dont find too many related bugs related to yours yet, do you know howto file a bug?
[08:54] <mjt0k> what suggest there are some usb devices missing?
[08:54] <EvenOA> I can find out, if you point me to the webpage. ubuntu-bug does not work as I have no package to relate it to
[08:54] <EvenOA> I can't find them in lsusb
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: ubuntu-bug linux , from your terminal
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: then a browser will popup, add a title + description
[08:55] <mjt0k> EvenOA: can you boot the old kernel?
[08:55] <EvenOA> lotuspsychje great, thanks
[08:55] <EvenOA> mjt0k Not easily I believe, this is a fresh install
[08:56] <mjt0k> isn't the old kernel still available in the archive?
[08:56] <mjt0k> I dunno how it's done in ubuntu. in debian theres `apt search -n linux-image-` and I can install something like linux-image-6.1.0-25-amd64
[08:57] <EvenOA> mjt0k Not on my computer, can I download it from somewhere. I would like to try 6.8.0.39
[08:57] <mjt0k> yeah, that one
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> mainline kernels higher can be easy installed
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> but lower might not be such a good idea (if not on your list or repos)
[08:57] <mjt0k> btw, it might also be due to some additional driver you had installed previously which isn't present in yoru new install
[08:58] <mjt0k> lotuspsychje: my point was that it *might* still be in the repos. but I don't know how to check
[08:58] <EvenOA> lotuspsychje I would need some guidance I have never downgraded the kernel before,
[08:58] <EvenOA> ok
[08:59] <mjt0k> if lsusb does not list it.. I doubt it's a kernel issue
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> yeah apt search can be done
[08:59] <mjt0k> ah.. usb3 hub
[09:00] <EvenOA> mjt0k yes, I believe the displayport runs over usb3, everything else on usb2
[09:00] <EvenOA> lotuspsychje I will try the apt search, thanks for the suggestion
[09:00] <mjt0k> all your usb hubs are 3.1
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> EvenOA: i wouldnt advice downgrading myself
[09:01] <mjt0k> it's rather trivial to "downgrade" if the package is still available
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> there are some different kernels one can try from the repos yes
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> like OEM
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> but there's a reason why apt purges previous kernels and keep last 3
[09:02] <mjt0k> btw, does ubuntu has something like snapshot.debian.org?
[09:03] <mjt0k> https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/noble/main/security/linux-image-uc-6.8.0-39-generic fwiw
[09:04] <Amoz> EvenOA, how long have you waited with upgrade/reboot if this last worked in -39 but it got upgraded to -47? that indicates quite a lot
[09:04] <Amoz> EvenOA, if you want to install the old one, sudo apt install linux-image-unsigned-6.8.0-39-generic should do it
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> linux-image-uc-6.8.0-39-generic - Signed kernel image generic for Ubuntu Core
[09:05] <mjt0k> yeah, exactly what I suggested above :)
[09:05] <EvenOA> I don't know, I believe a problem with my installation caused it to not upgrade, thanks for the command, how do I get back after trying it out ?
[09:06] <mjt0k> you choose which kernel to boot at the boot prompt
[09:06] <mjt0k> they're separate kernels, co-installable
[09:06] <Amoz> EvenOA, sorry, it's linux-image-6.8.0-39-generic if you want the signed one, which i assume you want if running secureboot.
[09:07] <EvenOA> ok, it does not overwrite any files ? great, I'll try this,  I will also try to downgrade the fw at the same time, will take some time
[09:07] <EvenOA> thanks for all help,
[09:07] <EvenOA> ok noted
[09:07] <Amoz> EvenOA, do you know how to get into grub menu? Sometimes it's hidden so you need to actively press shift and stuff to active it i think
[09:08]  * mjt0k never used grub...
[09:08] <EvenOA> I can try it out on my own, no problem
[09:09] <Amoz> EvenOA, what makes you think you had a problem that caused it not to upgrade btw?
[09:10] <EvenOA> I suspect a manual install of the display link driver,  that uses linux-headers, but it doesn't really make sense :-)
[09:11] <EvenOA> I will boot the new kernel now, thanks and goodbye
[10:24] <EvenOA> mjt0k An update on my black monitors; booting old kernels are ok, but no wifi, this means  I can't build the evdi module so don't get to try it out until I am on a connected network. The reason I say USB 2 only is https://bpa.st/JHZQ, I am missing 17df:, will be back next week
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[11:03] <cbreak> I've had black screens during booting for a long time :/
[11:03] <cbreak> not sure what broke, but I think it's related to nvidia GPUs in my case
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[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:41] <luna_UbuntuSummi> hey
[13:51] <andras> hi
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> welcome andras
[13:52] <oerheks> :-)
[13:57] <luna_UbuntuSummi> hey
[15:41] <gerardb> Hello Any one any ideas why a laptop runs really hot
[15:42] <TooManyHats96> when you play games or just all the time?
[15:43] <gerardb> aaah thanks for the reply just when i run firefox
[15:46] <TooManyHats96> odd, but Firefox can use the gpu. look into up to date drivers, make sure you have the right ones
[15:46] <gerardb> thanks
[15:48] <mjt0k> at the very least, run top and see what's, well, on the top
[15:49] <mjt0k> I wouldn't suggest updating drivers before understanding what the laptop is doing first
[15:51] <TooManyHats96> yea, top would help
[15:55] <sixwheeledbeast> I say about:processes in firefox is possibly more useful.
[15:56] <mjt0k> provided it is firefox which is doing things and not something else
[15:57] <mjt0k> I dealt with several systems with pre-installed ubuntu recently. all had a ton of some vendor-specific snaps which were constantly hogging the CPU and draining battery
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> lightweight browser to the rescue; falkon
[15:58] <TooManyHats96> I wanted to use red hat, but they don't provide sufficient drivers for my gpu
[15:59] <sixwheeledbeast> librewolf is a good ff replacement
[17:06] <TooManyHats96> How big you all like your swap files??
[17:07] <rbox> the biggest
[17:07] <TooManyHats96> more than 100% of your ram for hibernate?
[17:07] <TooManyHats96> trying so hard not to make a joke right now thou
[17:08] <TooManyHats96> ill go with the biggest
[17:09] <rbox> hibernate is still a thing!?
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[17:15] <TooManyHats96> maybe not in ubuntu, red hat likes it thou
[17:26] <maemi974> Hi, I have a simple question: Is a deb file downloaded with '$ apt-get download pkg' safe? i.e. does apt-get validate the deb file's hashes prior to downloading it?
[17:28] <blizzow> I'm installing ubuntu on an encrypted zfs pool using debootstrap. In a chroot after debootstrapping, I have installed tasksel and selected desktop+cinnamon+mate+laptop+ssh server. I've dpkg-reconfigured everything, made sure my initramfs has all the goods. When I boot, the laptop just sits at a message that says 'tearing down USB controller 0000:00.14.0 ..."
[17:28] <rbox> sounds like you're following some random guide that's wrong... you should probably talk to the author of said guide
[17:29] <blizzow> rbox, I've done this style of installation many times. Void, devuan, older ubuntu, never had this problem.
[17:32] <rbox> lol
[17:32] <mjt0k> maemi974: run `apt update`; edit a file in /var/lib/apt/lists/* changing a byte in SHA256: field for a single package, and try to download it
[17:34] <tomreyn> maemi974: hey, there's an easy answer to your question on the apt-get manual. do you know how to access the manual, yet?
[17:36] <maddmaxx> hi
[17:37] <maemi974> I've skimmed through '$ man apt-get' a couple times before asking my question, but i can't find the answer.
[17:38] <Yakov> friends, can you please help me to build this https://github.com/google/sanitizers/wiki/MemorySanitizerLibcxxHowTo
[17:38] <Yakov> just one point left
[17:42] <tomreyn> maemi974: i'm surprised then. The DESCRIPTION of the "download" action says "The authenticity of the package data is ensured as usual" for me.
[17:42] <mjt0k> maemi974: you can just as well read what does `download' do :)
[17:42] <mjt0k> heh
[17:43] <tomreyn> maemi974: are you using a different manual, did you just miss it?
[17:44] <maemi974> quote from my manpage of apt-get: download will download the given binary package into the current directory.
[17:44] <maemi974> This is the only description, so I suspect I'm using an older version.
[17:45] <tomreyn> i have this sentence, too. but the other sentence i quoted follows it. which ubuntu version are you running there?
[17:45] <mjt0k> this description is here for a LONG time
[17:46] <mjt0k> I think it pre-dates ubuntu
[17:46] <maemi974> I'm using 20.04.1, it's not fully up-to-date though. So I suspect I can't really be sure until I upgrade. Thank you anyways for confirming your manpage.
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[17:46] <mjt0k> maemi974: so maybe my first suggestion is actually better
[17:47] <tomreyn> right, 20.04's man page doesn't have the sentence about authentication, yet. https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man8/apt-get.8.html#description
[17:47] <maemi974> Okay, I'll upgrade my apt-file some time soon, then. Tahnks for the information.
[17:48] <tomreyn> nor did 22.04, i'm surprised. although apt-get's man page has always been quite a bit behind
[17:51] <tomreyn> maemi974: for what it's worth, i'm convinced that you can rely on an up to date 20.04 LTS installation to correctly validate the authenticity of packages downloaded from configured repositories (through apt-get install or download).
[17:51] <tomreyn> very likely a non up to date one, too, but you should be keeping it up to date.
[17:51] <maemi974> Okay, thanks for the insight :)
[18:01] <lblume> 'evening channel
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> welcome lblume
[18:02] <lblume> What could cause do-release-upgrade to complain about the proxy, when it works fine for apt?
[18:02] <lblume> It says: "proxy 'http://[fc00:cafe::1]:3128' looks invalid"
[18:16] <cbreak> lblume: you could try putting that into /etc/hosts or similar, and use a fake hostname for it
[18:20] <lblume> cbreak: Excellent suggestion! It looks much happier now. Looks like its test hasn't yet entered the wonderful world of IPv6 :)
[18:20] <cbreak> ipv6 seems to be a second class citizen in many places :(
[18:20] <tomreyn> lblume: could you please file a bug on this
[18:21] <cbreak> with ipv4 I get like 9GBit in speedtest, with ipv6 only around 2.5GBit :(
[18:21] <cbreak> (despite NAT on ipv4)
[18:22] <lblume> cbreak: Well, I've only got a slow 1Gbit connection here, so that won't matter for me :)
[18:22] <lblume> tomreyn: Sure
[18:23] <lblume> tomreyn: The current install is an old-ish 20.04 though, so maybe worth checking again once it's updated?
[18:24] <tomreyn> lblume: 20.04 is still supported, but other than that, re-checking would be good, too.
[18:25] <leftyfb> mind you, 20.04 (released 4.5+ years ago) is only supported for another 6 months.
[18:25] <tomreyn> i just skimmed throug the files at https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/tree/?h=ubuntu/noble-updates (manually, with a web browser, because i'm lazy) but could not spot "looks invalid"
[18:26] <lblume> Searching for it, I've had zero hit, hence why I'm here.
[18:28] <tomreyn> part of the release upgrader code is downloaded during the upgrade, but i forgot where from exactly.
[18:42] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager-core/+bug/2078528  might br related
[18:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2078528 in update-manager-core (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade not falling back to ipv4 if ipv6 fails" [Undecided, New]
[18:46] <tomreyn> a non-routable non-local ipv6 address - that's a bit of a peculiar configuration in the first place. an ipv6 proxy configured as an ip address rather than a hostname should definitely be supported, though.
[18:46] <connstruct> tomreyn: Non-routable, non-local? I know a lot about ipv6, and that one escapes me.
[18:50] <tomreyn> connstruct: non-routable as in there is no route to the internet for this one, or it can't reach the default gateway. non-local as private as in non RFC-4291 - that's how i understand it anyways. see the bug report above.
[18:56] <connstruct> That is a routable prefix, though.
[18:57] <connstruct> So that would seem like less of a bug and more of the fact that the system thinks it has a routable address, but the route itself doesn't function. I'd read that as a network issue.
[18:58] <tomreyn> that's why i wrote "peculiar configuration". the bug reporter seems to expect this to cause a fallback to ipv4 apparently.
[18:59] <connstruct> IPv4 fallback only occurs in implementations with happy eyeballs implemented, or if a route doesn't exist, not that the route doesn't function.
[19:00] <connstruct> (assume "by my understanding" is attached to literally everything I say)
[19:02] <tomreyn> the "waiting forever" part is probably a bug, though. it should be timing out.
[19:03] <connstruct> That I would agree with.
[19:08] <saint_> hi all - i m trying to use QTEL .. I see in my audio settings that it is using "alsa:default" . I can hear people. but apparently the mic is not registering (while if I do mic test though system settings using alsa:default, it see the variometer changing) - any idea what i can use as an audio device (input / mic) for a ubuntu / linux software, if alsa:default does not work? how do i find out what would be the other deviede to use in /dev maybe?
[19:26] <lblume> ioria: Possibly related, but not the same, as mine doesn't get stuck, it fails immediately (it doesn't even try to talk to the proxy, it seems)
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[20:14] <Guest5715> hi
[20:15] <Guest5715> welcome
[20:35] <Guest2109> Is there a button in unbuntu installer or somewhere in the settings where i can opt out of snaps ?
[20:37] <leftyfb> Guest2109: no
[20:40] <Guest2109> thanks
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[22:12] <TooManyHats96> anyone using an amdgpu graphics driver on ubuntu?
[22:13] <TooManyHats96> I'm on the default for ubuntu... anyone uninstall and switch to manufacterers drivers?
[22:17] <oerheks> on what amd card?
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[22:17] <oerheks> amdgpu is supported in the kernel, also radeon
[22:19] <zedubuntu> lubuntu works good in qemu
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[22:59] <TooManyHats96> ugh
[22:59] <TooManyHats96> I just can't have it all...
[22:59] <TooManyHats96> on fedora... suspend fails... likely cause poor GPU driver support
[23:00] <TooManyHats96> on ubuntu... GPU runs better yet... can't get certain software to install
[23:00] <TooManyHats96> Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
[23:00] <TooManyHats96> ls
[23:03] <cbreak> TooManyHats96: hmm? Download by what?
[23:03] <TooManyHats96> I was trying to install docker desktop
[23:03] <cbreak> why?
[23:03] <TooManyHats96> It appears that line isn't important that I linked earlier... I think its more like a warning
[23:04] <TooManyHats96> For development...
[23:04] <cbreak> isn't docker engine better for that?
[23:05] <cbreak> I think ubuntu has docker.io in its repos
[23:06] <cbreak> but there's also https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/ubuntu/... no idea which one is better nowadays
[23:07] <TooManyHats96> well... the engine works
[23:07] <TooManyHats96> perhaps I can just get by with that, using the command line?
[23:07] <cbreak> docker desktop requires a paid subscription I think
[23:07] <cbreak> yes
[23:08] <TooManyHats96> okay, ill go with that, thnx