[00:16] <holmanb> yes, but that's a gentoo-specific problem 
[09:53] <dilfridge> ... and I nearly fell of a chair when I found it.
[09:53] <dilfridge> *off
[09:54]  * dilfridge is preparing official bootable gentoo cloud images
[09:54] <dilfridge> (just on the slow path right now since too many projects)
[12:01] <minimal> dilfridge: yes cloud-init does not require systemd, I run cloud-init on Alpine which is OpenRC-based
[12:20] <dilfridge> but I want to use it on Gentoo with systemd :)
[12:20] <dilfridge> never mind, I'll look at it and fix things eventually, just takes time to get to it
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[14:26] <holmanb> dilfridge: happy to help upstream if you get some patches together
[14:27] <holmanb> dilfridge: iirc when i started looking into it I noticed that the two software stacks have a lot of differences
[14:27] <dilfridge> yes
[14:27] <dilfridge> on the upside, systemd is pretty much vanilla
[14:28] <holmanb> True 
[14:28] <dilfridge> so just using whatever other distros based on systemd do should be a good starting point
[14:28] <dilfridge> (and just specialcasing openrc)
[14:29] <holmanb> Id suggest inheriting from some other systemd class, override the obvious stuff (package manager) and see what else is broken
[14:30] <holmanb> Much cleaner to use inheritance in cloud-init rather than conditionals
[14:30] <dilfridge> I'm a bit stuck helping with gcc-14 stabilization and the gazillion of c99 related bugs right now, but once that is on the way I'll come back to the cloud images
[14:30] <holmanb> dilfridge: feel free to ping if you have questions 
[14:30] <dilfridge> thanks, will do
[15:10] <minimal> dilfridge: an issue with non-systemd is that ds-identify basically relies on systemd-detect-virt, which non-systemd systems won't have
[15:12] <dilfridge> yes, I can look up how this is already solved (there is a non-systemd provider for Gentoo)
[15:12] <dilfridge> mostly I'm interested in providing a solution for systemd Gentoo
[15:13] <dilfridge> https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/   we have it all
[15:13] <dilfridge> and my personal guess is that systemd-based install is nowadays more cloud-friendly
[15:14] <minimal> dilfridge: for Alpine I added support for virt-what to ds-identify
[15:14] <minimal> but virt-what is more limited than systemd-detect-virt
[15:14]  * dilfridge considers openrc legacy ... but don't tell (some) of my gentoo colleagues
[15:15] <minimal> why would systemd-based be more cloud-friendly?
[15:15] <dilfridge> just plainly closer to what nearly everyone else is using... 
[15:16] <minimal> true, but that doesn't specifically make it "cloud friendly"
[15:16] <dilfridge> not including alpine of course, but systemd+musl doesn't really work well yet
[15:17] <dilfridge> yeah... let's settle on "friendly" instead :o)