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[00:21] <Guddu> I am facing a weird error on Ubuntu. I copied 7 GB worth of files and the file copy operation was complete but when I ry to unmount i get a message saying Writing data to USB. Device should not be unplugged. What could be the reason. It has happened in the past then after seeing the file opration complete i disconnected the USB only to find that the file was corrupt.
[00:22] <rbox> the reason for what
[00:23] <Guddu> rbox, Why would i get the message that file copy was complete when it is not.
[00:23] <ravage> The reason is that you need to unmount the device before removing it
[00:24] <ravage> It still copies cached data after the file operation is complete
[00:24] <ravage> So use unmount or click the eject button for the device in your file manager
[01:16] <toothe> Does anyone know if there is a guide to have my ttyS0 device function as a console port?
[01:16] <toothe> I ask because I am trying to use it as a "recovery" interface with ttyUSB0 on a raspberry Pi.
[01:17] <causative> tomreyn I made that thing I was talking about, the menu system for organizing bash commands
[01:17] <causative> so they can be selected and then edited at the bash prompt
[02:29] <gaelheart> ubuntu 22.04 flatpak where are the .desktop files at?  i want to copy one to my desktop.  i looked everywhere.
[02:30] <NewtonPumpkin> To narrow down the bug the open file window for all apps opens under the dock when the dock is enabled on all screens, when opened from a screen other than screen one
[02:30] <gaelheart> not flatpak sorry. snap
[02:31] <causative> gaelheart, "locate firefox.desktop"
[02:31] <gaelheart> thanks it's visual studio code
[02:32] <gaelheart> it's telling me to install plocate
[02:32] <gaelheart> should i do that?
[02:33] <rbox> do you want to use locate?
[02:33] <gaelheart> rbox i suppose so.
[02:33] <rbox> then i geuss you shoudl install it
[02:33] <gaelheart> rbox thanks
[02:34] <causative> actually I have locate without plocate, I think what I'm using is called locate.findutils
[02:34] <causative> though idk the apt package
[02:35] <gaelheart> will this work? hmm
[02:35] <gaelheart> locate *code*.desktop
[02:36] <causative> well you could try locate firefox.desktop and that would give you a clue where you might find others
[02:36] <gaelheart> causative: brilliant!
[02:36] <gaelheart> let me see
[02:37] <gaelheart> yeah it isn't showing vscode
[02:37] <gaelheart> oh duh.  look at the path
[02:37] <gaelheart> sorry brain fart
[02:39] <causative> locate *code*.desktop ought to work unless it's not named like code
[02:39] <maksymy> Hi
[02:42] <gaelheart> causative: found it!  i usually used add to desktop extension to do it but it isn't supported on jammy
[02:42] <gaelheart> causative: this is why they pay you the big bucks
[02:43] <gaelheart> god bless all of you.  see you later :)
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[05:10] <spinningCat> so basically my system is broken
[05:10] <spinningCat> needs fresh install
[05:13] <tomreyn> causative: congrats on making that. maybe put it on a public code hosting repository if you think others could benefit from it.
[05:16] <tomreyn> spinningCat: i had not seen anything that looked like it was neccessarily beyond repair, but i would not challenge the take that a fresh install every couple of years can be a good idea.
[05:18] <spinningCat> this is my sources.list https://dpaste.com/B5PDYNVNU
[05:20] <tomreyn> this looks like its taken from a fresh installation
[05:20] <tomreyn> what about sources.list.d/?
[05:21] <tomreyn> sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:23] <spinningCat> https://termbin.com/xx3f
[05:23] <tomreyn> ^ this would not cover .sources files in deb822 format, but i think those are only used starting 24.04
[05:24] <spinningCat> anything seems wrong here?
[05:24] <tomreyn> are those microsoft repositories with 20.04 in their url compatible to 22.04?
[05:24] <spinningCat> not sure about those actually
[05:25] <spinningCat> i didnt install anything related to microsoft explicitly
[05:25] <tomreyn> well, it didn't get there by itself ;)
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[05:25] <tomreyn> also verify 22.04 compatibility for the other repositories which don't say "jammy" or "22.04"
[05:25] <spinningCat> there may be added in installation progress :D
[05:26] <tomreyn> not during ubuntu's
[05:26] <spinningCat> what about removing repos without jammy keyword
[05:26] <spinningCat> and do aptitude update?
[05:26] <tomreyn> what about it?
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[05:27] <spinningCat> will it work?
[05:27] <tomreyn> that would disable those repositories, but not apply any changes to the packages already installed from there
[05:27] <spinningCat> or removing everything in sources.list.d?
[05:27] <tomreyn> sure, diabling repositories works
[05:28] <spinningCat> ah well
[05:28] <spinningCat> vscode is probably me's thinhg
[05:28] <spinningCat> but i insttalled vscode with snap
[05:28] <spinningCat> i wish there was a command to get list of programs with its vendors
[05:29] <tomreyn> i'd disable everything i don't know i need, then go over the remainder and see what of what's left is actually compatible with 22.04. then run apt update and    apt-forktracer | grep -vF '['   (all packages which are not backed by an active apt repository configuration) and purge (after backup) all of these packages
[05:31] <tomreyn> apt-forktracer lists installed packages from third party repositories (if those repositories are still configured)
[05:31] <tomreyn> that's the info given in square brackets
[05:33] <tomreyn> once you're done with spring cleaning (southern hemisphere at least) you should follow this up with a   sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[05:49] <spinningCat> tomreyn,  seems fresh install takes less time
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[08:16] <mahi> hi,
[08:16] <mahi> i'm on ubuntu 24, my laptop fails to detect the monitor connected through adapter ( type c to hdmi)
[08:16] <mahi> (HP Pavilion 15)
[08:16] <mahi> what could be the error??
[08:20] <oerheks> does your laptop comes with a screen FN key combo, internal/external/both?
[08:20] <mahi> yes
[08:20] <oerheks> or maybe it needs to be connected/on before boot
[08:21] <mahi> it is connected before boot, hdmi works fine, i wanted to connect another monitor through type c which fails to detect the monitor
[08:22] <mahi> xrandr shows only the monitor connected through hdmi and laptop internal display!!
[08:22] <oerheks> oke, no clue then ..
[08:27] <mahi> tried displaylink drivers and also read to enable DP alt mode on the internet
[08:27] <mahi> how to check and enable DP alt mode over type C
[08:38] <mgedmin> displaylink is something unrelated
[08:38] <mgedmin> if it works when connected before boot, that's both a good sign and a bad sign
[08:39] <mgedmin> what sort of graphics does your laptop have (intel/nvidia/amd)?
[08:39] <mgedmin> I have an issue with my thinkpad not detecting the external monitor (connected via usb c/thunderbolt dock and a displayport cable I think?); usually unplugging and plugging the usb c cable fixes that
[08:40] <mgedmin> xrandr is a good tool when you're using the legacy Xorg session; for wayland it'd be better to look at something else (gnome-control-center?), as IIRC Xwayland's implementation of RANDR only shows a small subset, basically reflecting the current configuration only
[08:41] <mgedmin> it may be useful to run journalctl -f in a terminal when you plug in the cable and see if there are any interesting messages showing up at that time
[09:11] <mahi> no messages on journalctl -f when plugging in and disconnecting
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[09:49] <xbox> hey
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[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:41] <TooManyHats96> Hi BluesKaj
[13:41] <TooManyHats96> How are you liking ubuntu?
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> !chat | TooManyHats96
[13:41] <ubottu> TooManyHats96: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[13:49] <xcl> hi,how display image.png runing in tmux command ?
[13:49] <leftyfb> xcl: can you be more specific?
[13:49] <younder> Just a question can you 'chsh -s /usr/bin/fish' without running into trouble at bootime?
[13:50] <mgedmin> boot time shouldn't be using the user's shell; where you should expect trouble is during login time
[13:51] <CosmicDJ> xcl: like this? https://github.com/TheZoraiz/ascii-image-converter?tab=readme-ov-file#flags
[13:52] <mgedmin> GUI login is a complicated process; at one time I had issues because my ~/.profile would source my ~/.bashrc (because I only use bash), but Debian's .xsession would source ~/.profile using /bin/sh (aka /bin/dash), and any bashisms in my .bashrc would render my unable to log in
[13:52] <mgedmin> then things swung in another direction and wayland sessions stopped using the shell at all, leaving me without my custom $PATH, making GUI sessions unusable
[13:53] <mgedmin> now wayland sessions use the shell somehow and then I think do dbus magic to transfer the environment to gnome-session somehow
[13:53] <mgedmin> so, I wouldn't expect chsh -s /usr/bin/fish to break things (much), but if things did break, I wouldn't be too surprised
[13:54] <mgedmin> there are various tools that execute subcommands and assume the shell is more or less compatible with /bin/sh; I know that e.g. vim has a help topic for helping fish users cope
[13:54] <mgedmin> it might be safer to set up a terminal profile to run fish insead of your login shell
[13:54] <mgedmin> unless you also want fish for ssh logins
[13:54] <mgedmin> and tty logins
[14:06] <xcl> Thank you CosmicDj,  ascii-image-converter so cool!,but i need display in tmux like kitty use icat ,true color ,not ascii,
[14:20] <hiyosilver> Hi, how could I send notification with notify-osd and notify-send to all monitors?
[14:21] <hiyosilver> Do you read me? xD
[14:21] <mgedmin> yes, but this is irc and people often take a few minutes to notice and answer
[14:21] <mgedmin> and people might not know the answer
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> we see you hiyosilver
[14:22] <mgedmin> or are trying to come up with a good way of expressing 'I fear what you want is not possible'
[14:22] <hiyosilver> Ok, perfect, dont see lines and tought Im offline
[14:25] <hiyosilver> I tried with export DISPLAY to :1 and :0 but always send notification to same screen monitor.
[14:25] <hiyosilver> Using DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/1000/bus before call the sript receive the notification but only in main monitor, not all.
[14:25] <hiyosilver> I tried with gsettings but not exist schema for «com.canonical.notify-osd»
[14:25] <hiyosilver> I tried to look for appearence, tweaks, etc....nothing about position and screens with libnotify.
[14:25] <hiyosilver> Have to be a way to send to all monitors notify-send without using DISPLAY or dconf?
[14:27] <leftyfb> there isn't
[14:27] <leftyfb> not using notify-send
[14:27] <hiyosilver> mama mia! xD something is working fine have to be changed :(
[14:29] <hiyosilver> bad luck for me that at work could not use arch
[14:30] <leftyfb> arch is no different
[14:30] <hiyosilver> it is :)
[14:30] <leftyfb> not in this case
[14:30] <hiyosilver> beacuse with xfce and xmonad or i3 you can send to all screen
[14:31] <hiyosilver> unity and wayland no
[14:31] <hiyosilver> xfce4 has config for osd
[14:32] <leftyfb> That isn’t using notify-send
[14:32] <leftyfb> And xmonad, i3 and xfce4 are all available in Ubuntu
[14:33] <hiyosilver> last time I tried to config xmonad with ubuntu crash system 2 times, for example installind dbusX11
[14:33] <leftyfb> You can tell Ubuntu to use xorg over Wayland
[14:33] <leftyfb> So no, in this context, arch is no different
[14:33] <hiyosilver> I learnt it after crash it
[14:33] <hiyosilver> xD
[14:34] <hiyosilver> what use ubuntu for notification? systemd?
[14:37] <hiyosilver> Where is the documentation from ubuntu notifications?
[14:38] <ravage> https://developer.gnome.org/documentation/tutorials/notifications.html
[14:38] <hiyosilver> ravage thanks mate!
[14:44] <hiyosilver> dbus-monitor destination=org.freedesktop.Notifications & notify-send hello --> nice thsa
[15:27] <FKAShinobi> Does ubuntu plan to update the qbittorrent version in the 22.04 repo due to the CVE reported in versions < 5.0.1
[15:27] <leftyfb> !latest | FKAShinobi
[15:27] <ubottu> FKAShinobi: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.
[15:29] <FKAShinobi> leftyfb: That's a very general statement. I'm asking if there are any plans or talk of fixing this specific vulnerability in the 22.04 repo.
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> FKAShinobi: https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2024-51774
[15:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu- qBittorrent before 5.0.1 proceeds with use of https URLs even after certificate validation errors. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2024-51774>
[15:31] <leftyfb> the CVE was announce less than 24 hours ago
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[15:32] <kk1234> !esm | FKAShinobi, also
[15:32] <ubottu> FKAShinobi, also: Canonical offers paid extended security support for end-of-life LTS releases through the Ubuntu Advantage program. For more information, see https://ubuntu.com/esm . ESM is not an Ubuntu community offering; please direct questions about it to Canonical directly.
[15:32] <oerheks> qBittorrent is in universe, if they provide a source ..
[15:32] <kk1234> !pro
[15:32] <ubottu> Ubuntu Pro is a service offered by Canonical for expanded CVE patching, ten-years security maintenance and optional support. Anyone can use Ubuntu Pro for free for personal use on up to 5 machines. For details please see https://ubuntu.com/pro and https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-pro-faq
[15:34] <oerheks> for now, use their appimage? https://www.qbittorrent.org/download
[15:34] <ravage> Or just check URLs before you add them
[15:35] <FKAShinobi> leftyfb lotuspsychje kk1234 oerheks: Thanks
[15:36] <FKAShinobi> ravage: Fair enough, I was trying to assess if I am going to need to upgrade to 24.04 to get the fix. I have their PPA installed but they only published it for 24.04 right now.
[15:37] <ravage> Using the latest LTS is usually a good idea
[15:38] <FKAShinobi> ravage: I hear you, but the attraction to the LTS is that it lasts for 5 years, not 2.
[15:40] <FKAShinobi> And with all due respect to the folks who make Ubuntu possible, getting an LTS too early can be a bit disruptive.
[16:06] <connstruct> There is nothing wrong with 22.04, or even 20.04. They are both currently supported.
[16:07] <connstruct> kk1234: neither the esm nor pro factoids are relevant, here. 22.04 is nowhere near being EOL.
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[16:10] <connstruct> FKAShinobi: Given that qbittorrent is in universe, it is community supported, which means updates aren't within Ubuntu's official purview.
[16:11] <connstruct> The version that I'm seeing in the repo hasn't been updated since 2022. It may be worthwhile to get the binary straight from upstream rather than relying on the package.
[16:11] <connstruct> At least, for 22.04.
[17:02] <FKAShinobi> connstruct: Thanks
[17:22] <webchat3> I've a question. I've downloaded files. I wish they to be sorted in that order they were downloaded. But this isn't the case. It is sorted after when they "changed". But this is completly different.
[17:23] <webchat3> Have i made myself understandable? :)
[17:23] <webchat3> English isn't my native language.
[17:23] <oerheks> sort by date
[17:24] <oerheks> hoover on the 'name'  colom, right click, creation date
[17:26] <webchat3> Thanks, oerheks. It works!
[17:27] <oerheks> have fun!
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[17:42] <ingopriv> Hallo
[17:44] <oerheks> :-)
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[18:26] <yziquel__> user-mode-linux is a package in debian but not ubuntu. anyone knows why that is ?
[18:29] <connstruct> Perhaps it's been a while since it was updated or maintained. The latest release of that package was all the way back in 14.04.
[18:30] <ioria> i think it's a 'source' pkg
[18:31] <connstruct> It had a release. I think the primary reason is that UML has been deprecated in favor of KVM.
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> yziquel__: maybe if you share your endgoal, the volunteers can help your project?
[18:42] <yziquel__> lotuspsychje: my end goal is trying to get pbuild in user mode linux running.
[18:42] <yziquel__> pbuilder
[18:43] <leftyfb> yziquel__: why in user mode linux? Why not KVM or LXD?
[18:44] <yziquel__> leftyfb: because KVM does not work in my VM. Incus is a hell to build from source. and because I want to run kernels with a debugger.
[18:45] <leftyfb> yziquel__: why doesn't KVM work on your VM? Also, why not just create another VM for your testing? Why a VM/container in another VM?
[18:46] <yziquel__> yziquel__: I don't know why KVM doesn't work. Everything seems fine. qemu just won't accept kvm accelaration wehn I run it. And i want really lightweight approaches to building packages, like pbuilder. in user mode linux. rootless.
[18:47] <ravage> check your bios is accelaration is enabled
[18:47] <ravage> *if
[18:47] <yziquel__> ravage i'm already in a vm...
[18:47] <leftyfb> yziquel__: why VM are you using?
[18:48] <leftyfb> sorry, WHICH, not why
[18:48] <ravage> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/how-to-enable-nested-virtualization
[18:48] <leftyfb> it depends on the VM they're using
[18:48] <yziquel__> leftyfb: I'm using a workstation as the host, incus running in it, I work in an incus VM separated from the host, and I need to run QEMU+KVM inside that VM.
[18:49] <leftyfb> yziquel__: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/using-nested-virtualization-in-kvm/
[18:49] <yziquel__> leftyfb: thank you. you're more helpful than the murdurously deadly silent incus lxd channel or the bigoted rust channel. thank you very much.
[18:49] <leftyfb> so yeah, ravage's link is the same thing
[18:50] <yziquel__> leftyfb: i was getting desperate: IRC has grown so unhelpful and hateful compared to the early 2000s.
[18:55] <Djin> Hi IRC (after 27 years ) :), Somebody knows a way to get readings from k10temp sensor on amdx64 /Linux Mint 22 x86_64 ?
[18:55] <leftyfb> !mint | Djin
[18:55] <ubottu> Djin: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official !flavors. Derivatives and other distributions use different software repositories and other software. Please use their dedicated support venues, such as: Linux Mint: #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org, Pop!_OS: https://support.system76.com/ , Kali Linux: #kali-linux on irc.oftc.net, LXLE: https://lxle.net/support-options/
[18:56] <yziquel__> Djin beware. irc has changed very much since then.
[18:56] <leftyfb> yziquel__: feel free to discuss feelings about IRC in #ubuntu-offtopic. We try to keep this channel focused on ubuntu support
[18:57] <yziquel__> sure
[18:57] <Djin> Beware of ?
[18:57] <ravage> and i am not aware of any big protocol changes for IRC 🙂
[18:57] <leftyfb> Djin: you'll have to seek support with Linux Mint from their IRC server and channel posted above
[18:58] <Djin> Noted , :)
[19:02] <yziquel__> ravage not protocol. agressivity. nonetheless: yes, nested virtualistaion is enabled according to these pages. which does not solve my uml+pbuilder setup.
[19:03] <ravage> there is no uml in Ubuntu
[19:03] <yziquel__> ravage: yes. why ? that was my initial question. I'm trying to build the debian package because of that.
[19:04] <ravage> no idea why. probably not used. deprecated
[19:05] <yziquel__> ravage hmmmhhh.... ok.
[19:06] <yziquel__> is there an easy way to do "apt source" and fetch debian not ubuntu packages, from ubuntu ?
[19:06] <leftyfb> you could add the debian repository to ubuntu, but that's begging for trouble and not supported here
[19:06] <ravage> start a debian container
[19:06] <leftyfb> ^
[19:07] <yziquel__> ravage: just tehe point. maybe i'm old, but i do not like the container way.
[19:07] <ravage> then install a VM if you want to make it more complex
[19:08] <yziquel__> ravage: no. i want simpler. environment variables, APT:: hackish stuff. Anyway. thank you nonetheless.
[19:10] <ravage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/user-mode-linux/+bug/1565448 just in case you want to know why
[19:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1565448 in user-mode-linux (Ubuntu) "[needs-packaging] User-mode-linux package missing in Ubuntu" [Wishlist, Confirmed]
[19:13] <yziquel__> ravage ok. the vorlon said it was not building anymore. ok.
[19:15] <leftyfb> yziquel__: what's wrong with containers? I use them for everything
[19:17] <yziquel__> leftyfb: i've been unfrozen from ice since 2011. computing has changed quite a bit. I'm not comfortable with them. And I like to have (s)chroots to build packages like i did back in the old days. Spinning up a container, which tends to pollute a global namespace like it does with incus, is not quite my cup of tea, if i can avoid it.
[19:21] <yziquel__> leftyfb moreover containers do not share the same filesystem that easily, and virtiofs has proved a pain, with the missing DAX window not allowing some memory mapping. and when i fix these issues, people start behaving very annoyingly if not despicably, as it happened in #rust. so i'll stick to ebvironment variables instead of going into a whirlwind of complexity that i feel is unwarranted.
[19:38] <wodim> is there something like "systemctl kill" that actually kills the process?
[19:40] <leftyfb> wodim: kill -9 ${PID}
[19:41] <wodim> leftyfb: badumtsss
[19:43] <wodim> I was looking for a parameter to systemctl kill, or perhaps another verb
[19:43] <wodim> I have no idea why they called the verb "kill" when it does not send a kill signal
[19:43] <Djin> Hi again, is there an ubuntu disto that has working Wayland?
[19:44] <leftyfb> Djin: try Ubuntu 24.04
[19:44] <ravage> it is called Ubuntu
[19:45] <oerheks> or pkill <name>
[19:48] <eirin> boom
[19:48] <ronnie> I'm getting frequently random UI freezes. Ubuntu 20.04 | TigerLake-LP GT2 [Iris Xe Graphics] | SYSRQ commands work when freeze, sound continues, but changing to other 'session' with CTRL+ALT+F2 does not work. Logs contain no clues. There is enough memory free when the freeze happens. Where to start?
[19:48] <eirin> idk
[19:48] <Djin> leftyfb Is Wayland the defaut in Ubuntu 24.04 or just experimental ? Also does it has LUKS?
[19:48] <leftyfb> ronnie: I would suggest trying 24.04 or 22.04
[19:49] <leftyfb> Djin: wayland is default in ubuntu and it does support LUKS
[19:49] <eirin> adhkabdukwiba
[19:49] <ronnie> oh wait, that was a typo. I'm on 22.04
[19:49] <leftyfb> eirin: This is an Ubuntu support channel. Can we help you with something?
[19:49] <eirin> ubuntu???
[19:50] <leftyfb> eirin: feel free to go to ubuntu.com to learn more
[19:50] <eirin> no
[19:50] <leftyfb> eirin: ok, then please find another channel to chat in
[19:50] <eirin> oi oi oi
[19:50] <eirin> slapp av
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[22:14] <JayF> Who are the right folks to email/IRC/etc to get the dnsmasq patch from here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/2026757 backported into latest LTS.
[22:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2026757 in Ironic "dnsmasq on Ubuntu Jammy crashes on neutron-dhcp-agent updates" [Critical, Triaged]
[22:15] <yziquel__> how do ubuntu devs work with both debian sources and ubuntu packages ? How do they manage the two APT infrastructures not to collide ?
[22:17] <oerheks> yziquel__, in short: do not mix debian sources with ubuntu
[22:20] <oerheks> JayF, sure that old bugreport is not patched yet? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ironic
[22:20] <syphyr> JayF, you are trying to get the actual patch file?
[22:20] <yziquel__> oerheks: yes. I want to keep them separate to work on both. can't figure out how to do it.
[22:20] <JayF> No; I'm trying to get someone to complete the bugfix by backporting that fix -- the one placed in the PPA that I have been testing -- into ubuntu LTS.
[22:21] <JayF> e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/2026757/comments/45 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/2026757/comments/48
[22:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2026757 in Ironic "dnsmasq on Ubuntu Jammy crashes on neutron-dhcp-agent updates" [Critical, Triaged]
[22:21] <JayF> I am one of the other senior maintainers on Ironic; the project that originally reported this (Julia did on our behalf)
[22:22] <JayF> I'm mainly looking for an email or way to get this in front of the eyes of the stable team properly, rather than trying to track down mirespace personally :D
[22:23] <syphyr> maybe the backport is not straight forward
[22:24] <syphyr> trivial
[22:27] <JayF> It's already been done. Did you read the bug comment 45 I linked, where that part of the work was already done?
[22:27] <syphyr> if the bug report contains all the needed info, it should be seen by whoever is maintaining it
[22:27] <JayF> Literally there's a patched package, with the backport in a PPA, that I've been validating in CI runs for days.
[22:30] <syphyr> if nobody has responded to the bug report, maybe it deserves a bump
[22:30] <JayF> That's what I just did. It's marked as Incomplete right now though, which makes me concerned it's not going to be in anyones' dashboard
[22:31] <JayF> that's part of why I'm trying to push for action
[22:31] <leftyfb> JayF: contact whoever marked it as incomplete and work with them to gather the info they need
[22:32] <JayF> leftyfb: ack; I will then. Didn't know if it was considered polite to contact maintainers directly out of band :) (for my project, for instance, I'd want someone to go to IRC or the list not to my personal inbox :D)
[22:32] <leftyfb> JayF: you are unlikely to find maintainers here
[22:52] <causative> if my laptop sound card does not work with Ubuntu, will an "external sound card" like this https://www.bestbuy.com/site/creative-sound-blasterx-external-sound-card/6470382.p?skuId=6470382 work?
[22:52] <causative> I mean in general , assuming that particular card is compatible with Ubuntu, would it do the same job as an internal sound card?
[22:52] <ravage> yes
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[22:55] <causative> some devices like that say they are "virtual sound cards." I'm guessing that means would *not* work?
[22:55] <causative> like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/114143807052?itmmeta=01JBWP4KXM8GTEXET35A4J14BA&hash=item1a9380464c:g:SukAAOSw69BeZtsn&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAAwMxmj%2BiGvOveHXEBClPb29i5Z6fb3oCeIHrNX2kjF2SfogMcwtKqDucUSKsP23rvRHD5kB7LPcI5%2FndYgrpoCTfd%2F3PNhpRkM0RmwptgBxJZ9AgYwdWrQM4g5ku%2BHSEAkWLjwIHSAXgPPtudEkinKPeFmkv2vPLY2nOQG6490Lq2sLQdxwpGv%2FwqlMI6ojj2Lq9UiVJ2U8ngxGlGlDR91EAOhPREsyoXnC02hwKFPX5%2BK4mAxv4H26LQP5HRaOd8Wg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_C-kpbfZA
[22:58] <causative> like I'm guessing a "virtual sound card" device would depend on an existing sound card to work?
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[22:59] <ravage> virtual is about the 7.1 sound i guess
[22:59] <ravage> dont expect anything else but stereo out of it
[22:59] <causative> what else would I want out of it?
[23:00] <causative> I mean what features are you saying it wouldn't have?
[23:01] <ravage> 7.1 "surround" sound
[23:01] <ravage> it says linux. so it will probably output sound
[23:02] <ravage> just dont expect anything for under 3 dollars
[23:03] <causative> not sure I would be able to tell the difference between 7.1 or whatever, I just want something that successfully outputs sound
[23:04] <causative> without depending on an existing card
[23:04] <ravage> 3 dollars probably won't ruin you. buy it. test it
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[23:06] <causative> could be a waste of time though, it says it's a "sound card adapter" not sure that means it actually contains a sound card
[23:09] <ravage> i can't print you a certificate for it
[23:09] <ravage> risk it or don't