| andre | how does gnome work | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| === andre is now known as Guest6211 | ||
| Guest6211 | i dont know how gnome works | 00:05 |
| oerheks | just click the icons in the menu ? | 00:06 |
| Guest6211 | i meant | 00:06 |
| oerheks | open software center and install whatever you like | 00:06 |
| Guest6211 | how did they make it work | 00:06 |
| Guest6211 | like how is it possible for the computer to know everything gnome is using | 00:06 |
| oerheks | programming. | 00:07 |
| enigma9o7 | some coding was invovled | 00:07 |
| Guest6211 | wait is gnome open source | 00:07 |
| oerheks | and testing | 00:07 |
| oerheks | weird questions | 00:07 |
| Guest6211 | is gnome on github | 00:07 |
| oerheks | no | 00:08 |
| Guest6211 | then how do i see gnome source code | 00:08 |
| oerheks | on git | 00:08 |
| oerheks | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME | 00:08 |
| enigma9o7 | or you could apt source anything you want | 00:08 |
| enigma9o7 | for the source used for your current ubuntu version | 00:09 |
| G3Eimi | https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-desktop | 00:09 |
| oerheks | https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME | 00:09 |
| oerheks | if you can read source code, you would know | 00:09 |
| Guest6211 | why is their like | 00:11 |
| Guest6211 | 2334 lines of code in one code file | 00:11 |
| Guest6211 | there deifnlty gonna be errors if their so many lines of code | 00:12 |
| ravage | !ot | Guest6211 | 00:12 |
| ubottu | Guest6211: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 00:12 |
| oerheks | lols | 00:12 |
| oerheks | seriously? find one, report bug | 00:12 |
| oerheks | seems like the same troll is on it again | 00:13 |
| Guest6211 | how do i make my own channel in irc | 00:15 |
| enigma9o7 | type: /join #my-own-channel-name | 00:15 |
| oerheks | ask in #libera? | 00:16 |
| oerheks | and register first | 00:16 |
| G3Eimi | I'm trying to connect to an older AFP from 24.10, but Ubuntu doesn't like the fact that the system is below AFP3. Any way to get Ubuntu to connect to older system? | 00:16 |
| Guest6211 | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY yrdsb aliu0521 | 00:16 |
| oerheks | Apple Filing Protocol (AFP) is using 3.4 | 00:18 |
| oerheks | no idea, never heared of AFP before | 00:18 |
| oerheks | https://github.com/Netatalk/netatalk | 00:18 |
| Guest6211 | oerhaks if i accidently share password | 00:18 |
| Guest6211 | will i get hacked | 00:18 |
| oerheks | change password as soon as possible | 00:19 |
| enigma9o7 | Everyone here is trustworthy, don't worry. | 00:19 |
| oerheks | it is just logged | 00:19 |
| G3Eimi | oerheks, thank you for the link :) | 00:19 |
| Guest6211 | what if i dont share my email | 00:19 |
| Guest6211 | and just the password | 00:19 |
| Guest6211 | will i most likely get hacked | 00:19 |
| oerheks | ask in #libera, Guest6211 | 00:19 |
| enigma9o7 | There would not be much need to hack you if you share your password tho. | 00:19 |
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| oerheks | yrdsb, ask in #libera for a cloak, to hide your ip *hint* | 00:27 |
| oerheks | and have fun! | 00:27 |
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| ddw | i constantly desktop enviorment hop | 01:37 |
| ddw | until i find gnome which i think is the best desktop enviorment | 01:38 |
| devslash | I'm suddenly finding Ubuntu 24.04 starting to boot. It says ""oading initial ramdisk" then stops. I can get to recovery mode. Any recommendations on what to do from there ? I cant fsck because the root file system is mounted already | 01:42 |
| leftyfb | !bootrepair | devslash | 01:42 |
| ubottu | devslash: Boot-Repair is a simple tool to repair frequent boot issues you may encounter in Ubuntu. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair for more info. | 01:43 |
| devslash | ok thanks | 01:46 |
| devslash | these are my recently installed packages: https://termbin.com/3zzk | 02:00 |
| ubuntu_ | in anyone in here? | 04:07 |
| lotuspsychje | !ask | ubuntu_ | 04:08 |
| ubottu | ubuntu_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 04:08 |
| === ubuntu_ is now known as Rimmy | ||
| Rimmy | Whats good ppl | 04:12 |
| === HE is now known as HavenE | ||
| elio_ | kkk | 08:43 |
| elio_ | windows | 08:43 |
| mgedmin | so I've got this VPS with ubuntu 22.04 lts (originally 20.04 lts, upgraded to 22.04), and it's losing the default route after a reboot | 08:46 |
| mgedmin | journalctl shows cloud-init running showing the correct routes | 08:46 |
| mgedmin | then I see | 08:46 |
| mgedmin | systemd-networkd[652]: ens3: Could not set route: Nexthop has invalid gateway. Network is unreachable | 08:46 |
| mgedmin | when I log in over the emergency VNC console and run 'netplan apply', then network comes back | 08:47 |
| mgedmin | if I look at ip route before then, I see no default route, just a local subnet route | 08:47 |
| mgedmin | my (redacted) /etc/netplan/90-vz-ens3.yaml is https://bpa.st/3I5Q | 08:50 |
| lotuspsychje | mgedmin: finding a lot of threads & bugs around netplan + upgrade to 22.04 a complex topic to pinpoint right away | 09:13 |
| mgedmin | I think the VPSes network config is _weird_ (gateway on a different subnet than the VPS's own IP??? how does that work???) | 09:13 |
| lotuspsychje | mgedmin: dont find something similar on netplan right away, https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0 | 09:14 |
| mgedmin | I've found https://access.redhat.com/solutions/7001170, which translates to "talk to your VPS provider's support", since I can't just arbitrarily grab an IP from the gateway's subnet | 09:20 |
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| lotuspsychje | mgedmin: if it worked on 20.04 and started giving issues on jammy? | 09:24 |
| mgedmin | yes | 09:24 |
| lotuspsychje | would doubt its provider then | 09:25 |
| mgedmin | sometimes broken configs work until they stop, and then you find out it's been misconfigured all the time *shrug* | 09:25 |
| mgedmin | this VPS shipped a non-standard /usr/sbin/run-parts to add a random delay before exec'ing the real /bin/run-parts | 09:26 |
| mgedmin | and the random delay was implemented in bash by setting the random seed via ip=$(hostname -i); RANDOM=${ip//./} | 09:26 |
| mgedmin | in ubuntu 22.04 hostname -i started returning the IPv6 address in addition to IPv4, and this bash script broke | 09:27 |
| lotuspsychje | eek | 09:27 |
| mgedmin | /usr/sbin/run-parts: line 5: 2a02: value too great for base (error token is "2a02") | 09:27 |
| mgedmin | by email every single hour from /etc/crontab trying to run cron.hourly tasks | 09:27 |
| mgedmin | the network configuration is similar; there's a python script and a bunch of shell scripts in /usr/lib/parallels-tools/tools/scripts/ | 09:28 |
| mgedmin | that modify /etc/netplan/90-vz-ens3.yaml on every boot | 09:28 |
| mgedmin | twice: once removing all config and adding network addresses; the second time adding routes | 09:29 |
| mgedmin | it was also running 'netplan apply' after each modification | 09:29 |
| mgedmin | this VPS provider used to provide OpenVZ containers as "VPSes", but ubuntu 20.04 doesn't work in OpenVZ (kernel too old for the libc or something) so they switched to KVM VMs | 09:29 |
| mgedmin | I hacked up the python script to run 'netplan apply' only once, after the gateways are configured | 09:30 |
| mgedmin | but now I think each netplan apply has a 50% chance of failing, because it's adding the routes in random order or something | 09:30 |
| mgedmin | can't verify until I reboot, and it's a pain | 09:30 |
| mgedmin | I wonder if netplan is generating the routes in /run/systemd/network/ in a random order, or if it's systemd-networkd that's trying to load them in parallel or something | 09:31 |
| lotuspsychje | leave a journalctl -f open while you play, maybe we can catch more bottlenecks | 09:31 |
| mgedmin | debbugging network issues remotely over the network is ... special | 09:32 |
| mgedmin | I don't want to use the VNC emergency console more than necessary | 09:32 |
| mgedmin | also, this VPS is the one that runs my irc bouncer (ZNC), so it it goes down, I lose IRC | 09:33 |
| mgedmin | maybe I shouls move to a different provider. again (was at OVH until their entire data center literally caught on fire). | 09:33 |
| tomreyn | i haven't followed the full conversation, but maybe this helps (found when searching for the error message provided - "Could not set route: Nexthop has invalid gateway. Network is unreachable"): https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/28358 | 09:45 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 28358 in systemd/systemd "Bug: systemd-networkd does not properly connect to network after suspend" [Open] | 09:45 | |
| tomreyn | mgedmin: ^ | 09:45 |
| mgedmin | a very interesting bug, thanks! | 09:49 |
| dwodokw | hello, how do I find out which value for `bs` in a `dd` command will be fastest for a given disk? | 10:01 |
| dwodokw | some people use 1M, some 16M etc. | 10:02 |
| dwodokw | but which one would be fastest? how do I find that out? | 10:02 |
| gordonjcp | dwodokw: it kind of doesn't matter, as long as it's large relative to the sector size of the disk | 10:09 |
| gordonjcp | dwodokw: 1M is probably fine | 10:09 |
| dwodokw | so 1M might just perform the same as 16M in terms of speed? | 10:10 |
| gordonjcp | dwodokw: this sounds like the sort of thing you could experiment with! | 10:10 |
| gordonjcp | "time dd if=thing of=device bs=whatever" | 10:10 |
| gordonjcp | run each a few times to discount the effects of cacheing | 10:10 |
| dwodokw | is there a way to find out the sector size of a disk? | 10:10 |
| dwodokw | using some utility maybe? | 10:10 |
| gordonjcp | pretty much everything these days is 512 bytes | 10:11 |
| gordonjcp | at least from the user's point of view | 10:11 |
| dwodokw | does that mean there's a different PoV where it might not be 512 bytes? | 10:11 |
| dwodokw | maybe from the hardware PoV? | 10:12 |
| gordonjcp | yeah | 10:12 |
| dwodokw | and figuring out that value is probably not trivial for each disk | 10:12 |
| gordonjcp | like internally some flash devices might really cope with larger blocks, but present it as 512 bytes because that's what everyone expects | 10:12 |
| gordonjcp | dwodokw: you're overthinking it | 10:13 |
| gordonjcp | the problem is that if bs is very small like even 1 byte, you spend more time laboriously picking up each byte and transferring it across | 10:13 |
| dwodokw | yeah | 10:13 |
| dwodokw | but if it's large it's going to split it up anyway so something like 16M should usually be fine | 10:14 |
| dwodokw | probably | 10:14 |
| mgedmin | dwodokw: a long time ago I measured dd with various block sizes, and the default bs=512 was half as fast as bs=1k, but increasing bs any more produced no effect on the speed | 10:14 |
| dwodokw | oh I see | 10:15 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:37 |
| === NDPZenB00k is now known as NDPZenBook | ||
| === iwannaberoot7 is now known as iwannaberoot | ||
| oerheks | :-) | 14:14 |
| BluesKaj | hey oerheks | 14:15 |
| oerheks | hi BluesKaj just testing if i was connected | 14:15 |
| BluesKaj | right :-) | 14:16 |
| kuka_lie | btw what client do you use? i use irssi | 14:17 |
| BluesKaj | I use konversation, it's a kde/plasma irc clirnt | 14:18 |
| BluesKaj | client even | 14:19 |
| BluesKaj | irssi is a good backup when one needs help with desktop issues | 14:20 |
| kuka_lie | btw what is best way to use computer with gui over network? | 14:26 |
| kuka_lie | could vnc be good way and if it is what server should i use (debian based system) | 14:28 |
| oerheks | not ubuntu? | 14:29 |
| oerheks | screen over ssh | 14:29 |
| kuka_lie | how | 14:30 |
| kuka_lie | and ubuntu is debian based | 14:30 |
| oerheks | but a gui over the network can be a drag | 14:30 |
| oerheks | also there is a rdp standard installed, not activated | 14:31 |
| oerheks | https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/sharing-desktop.html | 14:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | kuka_lie: Ubuntu is a fork from Debian, they couldn't be further apart in scope, goals, and what each comes with today | 14:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | kuka_lie: If you were running Ubuntu's main release, there is a remote desktop server that can be enabled through the settings utility. | 14:43 |
| kuka_lie | pragmaticenigma: i thinked that i mayby use raspberry pi as server | 14:44 |
| kuka_lie | using some debian based os | 14:44 |
| kuka_lie | is x11 forwarding over ssh good idea | 14:45 |
| pragmaticenigma | kuka_lie: Can't help you if you're not running Ubuntu. Raspberry Pi OS is optimized and built specifically to work with the Raspberry Pi. For help, they have a very active community to help oyu. | 14:45 |
| === lucenera7 is now known as lucenera | ||
| bewilled | hello I am trying to play a game in linux in my laptop. By chance I my laptop's screen disappeared from the gnome selection screen and the only screen left was my second monitor and I say a huge increase in the game performance. What might be happening? | 15:19 |
| pragmaticenigma | Is the second monitor lower resolution? The laptop configuration might have the external monitor controlled only by a dedicated GPU (if the system is equipmened with 2 GPU.) | 15:21 |
| pragmaticenigma | Lots of possibilities... I'd just enjoy being able to play the game | 15:21 |
| bewilled | yes I have 2 gpus | 15:22 |
| pragmaticenigma | I can only guess, but the game being played on the external monitor, likely activated the dedicated gpu for better performance. | 15:23 |
| bewilled | I didn't see the laptop's screen. Only the external monitor | 15:26 |
| Misiex78 | hi | 15:27 |
| bewilled | I got 120 fpms, now I got 100 and don't know how to get it back to the previous configuration. It happened by chance | 15:27 |
| pragmaticenigma | That's what I'm saying bewilled ... Having only the external monitor running, and turning on the game probably got the dedicated GPU to take over. | 15:28 |
| oerheks | bewilled, do you have a FN hot key combo, internal/external/both? | 15:28 |
| pragmaticenigma | bewilled: have you tried rebooting the machine? | 15:28 |
| bewilled | oerheks, no | 15:29 |
| bewilled | pragmaticenigma, yes | 15:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | bewilled: can you elaborte more? | 15:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | *elaborate | 15:31 |
| ravage | Some pointers with useful information: version of Ubuntu, GPUs used, game you try to play | 15:32 |
| bewilled | here I didn't see two screen (1 and 2) https://pasteboard.co/e77Jnq2hsDL8.png I saw only one (the external gpu) | 15:33 |
| bewilled | ravage, 24.04 nvidia rtx 2070 dota | 15:34 |
| bewilled | sorry not external gpu, external monitor | 15:34 |
| ravage | so is this a desktop system or laptop? | 15:34 |
| ravage | what is the other GPU? | 15:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | bewilled: both monitors are listed on that screen shot. possible that one of them is just simply disabled? | 15:35 |
| bewilled | ravage, CoffeeLake-H GT2 (UHD Graphics 630) | 15:35 |
| ravage | there seems to be a diplay 1 on that screenshot yes | 15:35 |
| ravage | bewilled: do you run that game in steam how how? i don't think there is a linux version of that game right= | 15:36 |
| bewilled | one day I only saw this: https://pasteboard.co/Ko8UUP6znJQ4.png. and it played much much better | 15:37 |
| pragmaticenigma | bewilled: we need to focus on one issue a time. which would you like to focus on right now? | 15:39 |
| ravage | bewilled: do you run the game with steam? | 15:40 |
| bewilled | yes. steam | 15:40 |
| ravage | then right click on your game. select properties | 15:41 |
| ravage | at LAUNCH OPTIONS enter: __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __VK_LAYER_NV_optimus=NVIDIA_only %command% | 15:41 |
| ravage | that should force the game to use your nvidia CPU no matter what other cards are available | 15:42 |
| bewilled | ravage, thanks I need to go right now, but will be back in abount an hour and I'll test it | 15:42 |
| webchat8 | Hi, my swap is unavailable since I upgraded to 24.10, from a quite vanilla ZFS fresh 24.04. I wonder if I should file a bug report on launchpad? You can see more details there: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1532514/swap-not-available-after-upgrade-to-24-10 | 15:47 |
| kuka_lie | swapon /dev/your-swap-partition | 15:50 |
| webchat8 | swapon: cannot open /dev/disk/by-id/dm-uuid-CRYPT-PLAIN-dm_crypt-0: No such file or directory | 15:51 |
| tomreyn | so what happened to that device? is it still around? maybe just with a different block device id now? | 15:52 |
| webchat8 | $ sudo swapon /dev/nvme0n1p3 | 15:52 |
| webchat8 | swapon: /dev/nvme0n1p3: read swap header failed | 15:52 |
| webchat8 | I think it can't find the encrypted swap partition | 15:53 |
| kuka_lie | mkswap /dev/your-swap-partition | 15:53 |
| tomreyn | is "/dev/disk/by-id/dm-uuid-CRYPT-PLAIN-dm_crypt-0" from your fstab? | 15:54 |
| webchat8 | mkswap /dev/nvme0n1p3 isn't going to bring back the encrypted partition | 15:55 |
| webchat8 | Yes /dev/disk/by-id/dm-uuid-CRYPT-PLAIN-dm_crypt-0 is in fstab | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | dwodokw: a long time ago I measured dd with various block sizes, and the default bs=512 was half as fast as bs=1k, but increasing bs any more produced no effect on the speed | 15:59 |
| mgedmin | dwodokw: sorry, wrong terminal to hit up, enter | 15:59 |
| dwodokw | lol | 15:59 |
| frostschutz | webchat8, you might as well use /dev/mapper/x directly instead of dm-uuid-CRYPT-PLAIN-x. unlike most other by-id links, crypt plain has no id at all, so only the name is left | 16:03 |
| webchat8 | I don't think the encrypted swap partition is mounted, I can't see it in /dev/mapper | 16:06 |
| tomreyn | if you don't have a block device with PARTUUID=d5018485-33be-40b8-80a1-9adb3c96ff16 then it will fail to decrypt that | 16:07 |
| webchat8 | Yes but it doesn't work either when replacing the ID PARTUUID=d5018485-33be-40b8-80a1-9adb3c96ff16 by /dev/nvme0n1p3 | 16:09 |
| webchat8 | in /etc/crypttab | 16:10 |
| bewilled | ravage, back | 16:10 |
| frostschutz | you want to stick to the partuuid, since nvme0 device names are not stable | 16:10 |
| frostschutz | you can try setting options more explicitely (plain,cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256,swap) | 16:10 |
| tomreyn | just need to use a partuuid that actually exists | 16:11 |
| webchat8 | I can't find the UUID for /dev/nvme0n1p3 how do do I find it? | 16:13 |
| tomreyn | assuming /dev/nvme0n1p3 is the backing device (source) for encrypted swap, sudo blkid /dev/nvme0n1p3 | 16:13 |
| frostschutz | blkid /dev/nvme0n1p3, it would have no UUID, but a PARTUUID is possible if it's GPT partition | 16:13 |
| frostschutz | if it does have a UUID (an unencrypted valid signature) then that may be another reason why crypt swap fails, it tries to not format your filesystems... | 16:14 |
| webchat8 | According to blkid, PARTUUID=d5018485-33be-40b8-80a1-9adb3c96ff16 for /dev/nvme0n1p3 | 16:16 |
| webchat8 | So it's the same as in crypttab | 16:16 |
| tomreyn | the cryptsetup warning you're seeing during boot (last paragraph of your post) is relevant | 16:16 |
| webchat8 | I tried the options swap,initramfs,cipher=aes-xts-plain65,size=256,hash=sha1,keyscript=decrypt_derived | 16:17 |
| webchat8 | but the warning is still there at boot | 16:17 |
| webchat8 | originally the options were only swap,initramfs | 16:18 |
| bewilled | ravage, didn't work. What's weird is that it's using 2 gpus https://pasteboard.co/sQOAvEUIz6Dp.png | 16:19 |
| frostschutz | webchat8, keyscript makes no sense, if you use urandom key | 16:19 |
| bewilled | pragmaticenigma, . | 16:20 |
| frostschutz | webchat8, initramfs option is also strange, what does that do? a random swap can't be used for hibernation either way. you could also try this method (but I never tested it with Ubuntu) https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dm-crypt/Swap_encryption#UUID_and_LABEL | 16:20 |
| webchat8 | I'll try right now: swap,initramfs,plain,cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256 | 16:21 |
| webchat8 | "The initramfs hook processes the root device, any resume devices and any devices with | 16:23 |
| webchat8 | the initramfs option set. These devices are processed within the initramfs stage of | 16:23 |
| webchat8 | boot. As an example, that allows the use of remote unlocking using dropbear. | 16:23 |
| webchat8 | This option is specific to the Debian crypttab format. It's not supported by systemd." | 16:23 |
| tomreyn | !paste | webchat8 | 16:23 |
| ubottu | webchat8: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://bpa.st | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 16:23 |
| webchat8 | It's from the 24.04 fresh install I guess | 16:24 |
| Guest38 | Come state tutti voi | 16:24 |
| webchat8 | Rebooting with dm_crypt-0 PARTUUID=d5018485-33be-40b8-80a1-9adb3c96ff16 /dev/urandom swap,initramfs,plain,cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256 did not bring back the swap not remove the boot warning | 16:34 |
| webchat8 | Rebooting with dm_crypt-0 PARTUUID=d5018485-33be-40b8-80a1-9adb3c96ff16 /dev/urandom swap,initramfs,plain,cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256 did not bring back the swap not remove the boot warning | 16:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | bewilled: nothing strange about using two GPUs, Hybrid graphics can be used in all sorts of different ways. | 16:51 |
| andrew_ | should i use ubuntu 23.04 | 17:01 |
| kuka_lie | if you like it yes | 17:01 |
| andrew_ | wait i dont know if it supported still | 17:02 |
| kuka_lie | google might help with that | 17:03 |
| pragmaticenigma | 23.04 ended support awhile ago, regular releases are supported for 9 months after release | 17:04 |
| andrew_ | how about ubuntu 22.10 | 17:04 |
| pragmaticenigma | why are you going backwards? | 17:04 |
| pragmaticenigma | LTS releases are released in April of even numbered years | 17:05 |
| andrew_ | i want gnome 43 | 17:05 |
| andrew_ | is lts even number .04 | 17:05 |
| pragmaticenigma | that's the month, not the year | 17:05 |
| pragmaticenigma | the format of versions is YEAR.MONTH | 17:06 |
| oerheks | 22.04 is still supported | 17:06 |
| andrew_ | ubuntu 10.04 12.04 14.04 16.04 18.04 20.04 22.04 24.0-4 | 17:06 |
| kuka_lie | almost all gnome versions look same | 17:06 |
| andrew_ | what desktop ubuntu 16.04 use | 17:06 |
| oerheks | and andrew_ you know the answers already. | 17:06 |
| oerheks | stop wasting volunteers time, like yesterday | 17:07 |
| andrew_ | i am going to install ubuntu 22.10 | 17:07 |
| andrew_ | and replace 24.10 | 17:07 |
| andrew_ | oh wait i forget VM exist | 17:08 |
| oerheks | bad idea, no support, no updates | 17:08 |
| kuka_lie | just downgrade gnome and use latest version | 17:08 |
| pragmaticenigma | kuka_lie: please stick to supported techniques and topics | 17:08 |
| andrew_ | how do i downgrade gnome | 17:09 |
| oerheks | if there was such path to downgrade gnome, there is not | 17:09 |
| kuka_lie | https://itsfoss.com/downgrade-apt-package/ | 17:09 |
| pragmaticenigma | kuka_lie: that only works if the repository has the older version, which it will not | 17:09 |
| oerheks | 22.04 gives gnome 41. | 17:10 |
| andrew_ | how did | 17:11 |
| andrew_ | ubuntu 22.10 end support already | 17:11 |
| kuka_lie | you can download gnome package from other repo and manually install it using dpkg | 17:11 |
| andrew_ | it only 2 years also already | 17:11 |
| andrew_ | i thought ubuntu released had 5 years of support | 17:11 |
| oerheks | kuka_lie, stop giving bad advise, thanks. | 17:11 |
| andrew_ | how did 22.10 end support even thought i saw a video of a version of ubuntu that have 5 years of support | 17:12 |
| oerheks | andrew_ you know the answers already. 22.10 is not LTS | 17:12 |
| pragmaticenigma | andrew_: Gnome Desktop team has already released Gnome Desktop 47... not much reason to run an old version | 17:12 |
| andrew_ | i am just gonna install a 22.10 vm on my 24.10 dualboot | 17:13 |
| pragmaticenigma | andrew_: you don't need to tell us what you want to do. just understand that there is no support for 22.10 here. | 17:13 |
| andrew_ | what virtualbox dont have packages for 24.10 | 17:13 |
| andrew_ | do i have to install the 24.04 on | 17:13 |
| andrew_ | *one | 17:13 |
| andrew_ | i forget i put my 24.10 into the 24.04 servers | 17:14 |
| andrew_ | how many apps dont have a 24.10 version | 17:15 |
| andrew_ | is it just me or most ubuntu users use lts | 17:16 |
| andrew_ | what version of gnome ubuntu 25.04 use | 17:36 |
| leftyfb | andrew_: 25.04 isn't released yet | 17:37 |
| andrew_ | then what is ubuntu next for | 17:37 |
| pragmaticenigma | people who are interested in testing and submitting bug reports for the next version of ubuntu | 17:38 |
| andrew_ | which version of ubuntu do most people use | 17:38 |
| andrew_ | testing non lts or lts | 17:38 |
| pragmaticenigma | andrew_: This channel is for support only, please conduct polls in #ubuntu-offtopic | 17:38 |
| leftyfb | andrew_: do you have an ubuntu support question? Otherwise, please feel free to ask for opinion polls in #ubuntu-offtopic | 17:39 |
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| andrew__ | if i corrput ubutnu | 18:12 |
| andrew__ | and dualboot windows | 18:12 |
| leftyfb | don't | 18:12 |
| andrew__ | do i have to boot into windows to reinstall ubuntu | 18:12 |
| andrew__ | why is linux so easy to break | 18:13 |
| leftyfb | andrew__: please stick with actual support issues here | 18:13 |
| leftyfb | stop with the speculative question | 18:13 |
| andrew__ | what ubuntu flavor | 18:14 |
| andrew__ | have the pre 17.10 experience | 18:14 |
| leftyfb | andrew__: stop | 18:14 |
| andrew__ | what | 18:14 |
| andrew__ | ubuntu flavor have pre | 18:14 |
| andrew__ | 17.10 experience | 18:14 |
| leftyfb | stop | 18:14 |
| andrew__ | tell me | 18:15 |
| leftyfb | andrew__: https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours go try out the different flavors and pick the one you want | 18:15 |
| andrew__ | what ubuntu flavor have pre 17.10 expreince | 18:15 |
| oerheks | now you are really trolling volunteers. | 18:15 |
| andrew__ | join #libera | 18:15 |
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| andrew__ | which ubuntu version | 18:17 |
| andrew__ | have the unity desktop | 18:17 |
| leftyfb | andrew__: https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours go try out the different flavors and pick the one you want | 18:18 |
| andrew__ | which flavor have unity | 18:18 |
| leftyfb | andrew__: if you bothered to click on the link, you would have that answer. Stop trolling | 18:18 |
| oerheks | https://unityd.org/ | 18:18 |
| oerheks | = not ubuntu | 18:18 |
| leftyfb | oerheks: there's an official Unity flavor | 18:19 |
| andrew__ | what the | 18:19 |
| andrew__ | unity flavor called | 18:19 |
| leftyfb | andrew__: https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours | 18:19 |
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| andrew__ | im confused | 18:34 |
| andrew__ | how come ubuntu 24.10 and ubuntu unity 24.10 use different ui | 18:34 |
| lotuspsychje | andrew__: ubuntu desktop uses gnome | 18:35 |
| oerheks | nto again please | 18:35 |
| andrew__ | how about | 18:35 |
| andrew__ | ubuntu unity | 18:35 |
| oerheks | how about not. | 18:35 |
| andrew__ | do | 18:36 |
| andrew__ | ubuntu and ubuntu unity | 18:36 |
| andrew__ | use the same desktop | 18:36 |
| lotuspsychje | andrew__: this channel is for serious ubuntu issues, not meant as an ubuntu quiz | 18:36 |
| kuka_lie | andrew_: if you dont like it just use tty | 18:37 |
| ravage | we could finally all decide to ignore him. he won't stop anyway | 18:37 |
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| andrew_ | 1 | 19:52 |
| andrew_ | hey | 19:52 |
| andrew_ | i love ubuntu unity | 19:52 |
| andrew_ | it make ubuntu a unique linux distro | 19:52 |
| andrew_ | and not just a glorifed debian testing but with ubutnu like theming on gnome | 19:52 |
| andrew_ | it just gnome with icon and dock extension | 19:53 |
| Guest8 | hey | 20:32 |
| Guest8 | I'm getting | 20:32 |
| Guest8 | ./musicgpt: error while loading shared libraries: libonnxruntime.so.1.17.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 20:32 |
| Guest8 | tried to run musicgpt on ubuntu 22.04 - https://github.com/gabotechs/MusicGPT?tab=readme-ov-file | 20:32 |
| rbox | sounds like you're missing that library | 20:33 |
| oerheks | only on oracular 24.10 - next plucky 25.04 | 20:34 |
| oerheks | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/onnxruntime | 20:35 |
| Guest8 | https://pastebin.com/sccQ7Qqd | 20:35 |
| oerheks | good luck with that | 20:35 |
| Guest8 | wait, so it's not available on 22.04? | 20:35 |
| oerheks | oh a pip install | 20:36 |
| oerheks | 22.04 is using python 3.10, no? | 20:37 |
| oerheks | ... | 20:38 |
| Guest8 | Python 3.9.12 | 20:38 |
| Guest8 | after pip install onnxruntime | 20:40 |
| Guest8 | it still says musicgpt: error while loading shared libraries: libonnxruntime.so.1.17.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 20:41 |
| leftyfb | https://releases.ubuntu.com/jammy/ubuntu-22.04.5-desktop-amd64.manifest | 20:41 |
| leftyfb | ubuntu 22.04 has python3.10 installed by default | 20:41 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: You should not install anything using pip to your machine directly. | 20:41 |
| Guest8 | python --version | 20:41 |
| Guest8 | Python 3.9.12 | 20:41 |
| oerheks | not on my 22.04 install, 3.9.5 was on focal fossa | 20:42 |
| oerheks | = 20.04 | 20:42 |
| Guest8 | Description:Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS | 20:42 |
| andrew_ | is ubuntu unity still ubuntu | 20:42 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: then you are either not running ubuntu 22.04 or you have a broken install with 3.9 the default | 20:42 |
| andrew_ | so leftyfb is ubuntu unity still ubuntu | 20:42 |
| andrew_ | but with the old desktop ubuntu 11.04-17.04 used | 20:42 |
| leftyfb | !op | andrew_ constantly trolling | 20:43 |
| ubottu | andrew_ constantly trolling: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant | 20:43 |
| Guest8 | wait, so I need to upgrade python to 3.10? | 20:43 |
| Guest8 | what do I need to do? | 20:43 |
| andrew_ | lefty | 20:43 |
| andrew_ | why did you call a channel emergancy | 20:43 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: ls -l $(which python3) # what does this give you? | 20:43 |
| andrew_ | !op } why did you call a channel emergancy here | 20:43 |
| ubottu | andrew_: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 20:43 |
| andrew_ | !op | why you call a channel emergancy | 20:44 |
| ubottu | why you call a channel emergancy: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant | 20:44 |
| Guest8 | /home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/bin/python3 -> ../Cellar/python@3.11/3.11.4/bin/python3 | 20:44 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: why did you do that? | 20:44 |
| Guest8 | https://linuxconfig.org/installing-homebrew-on-ubuntu-debian-a-step-by-step-guide | 20:45 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: undo all of that | 20:45 |
| oerheks | ocular python ? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oracular/amd64/python-dev-is-python3/3.11.4-1 | 20:45 |
| Guest8 | I hate all these tutorials | 20:45 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: I think the problem is because you installed using pip, where libraries were already provided by Ubuntu's default install. The installation wasn't successful if you read the output carefully, you would see there are version number conflicts | 20:45 |
| andrew_ | oerheks | 20:45 |
| andrew_ | why did you call a channel emergancy | 20:45 |
| Guest8 | why on earth then tutorial says to do that | 20:45 |
| Guest8 | ? | 20:45 |
| andrew_ | i meant leaffylb why you call a channel emergancy | 20:45 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: you'll have to ask the author of the tutorial | 20:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: Because tutorials assume you have experience installing simplier things | 20:46 |
| oerheks | andrew_, you are really trolling volunteers and have been asked many times to stop. | 20:46 |
| Guest8 | so how do I undo that? | 20:46 |
| andrew_ | oerheks what happen after a channel emergancy | 20:46 |
| connstruct | Guest8: You should be using virtualenvs or pyenv. Do not attempt to change the system-level Python interpreter. | 20:47 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: and would understand the pitfalls. The latest version of Python no longer allows pip to be run outside of venv, when it's detected it's part of a system install. Preventing you from breaking your OS install. | 20:47 |
| Guest8 | how do I undo that | 20:48 |
| Guest8 | ? | 20:48 |
| andrew_ | !op dont ban me | 20:48 |
| andrew_ | !op | i dont want to get banned | 20:48 |
| ubottu | i dont want to get banned: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant | 20:48 |
| rbox | lol | 20:48 |
| oerheks | Guest8, reinstall is the fastest way, i guess. | 20:49 |
| Guest8 | not going to reinstall because of this | 20:49 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: it's very difficult, as oerheks notes, reinstall is the fastest way. undoing your mistake has the risk of removing system packages by accident leaving you with an unusable system | 20:50 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: Reasons to always make a backup of your machine, and experiement in VMs | 20:50 |
| marquess | hi | 20:50 |
| oerheks | with such drastic python change, try to run updates? do you get errors? | 20:50 |
| Guest8 | well it's my problem that google gives this answer as top 1 | 20:50 |
| Guest8 | ? | 20:50 |
| Guest8 | I installed brew this way, because this is only answer there | 20:50 |
| Guest8 | idiotic | 20:50 |
| Guest8 | I'm not going for a reinstall | 20:51 |
| connstruct | Guest8: Reinstalling is honestly your best bet. "not going to reinstall" is an understandable sentiment, but obstinance doesn't solve technical problems. | 20:51 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: brew isn't officially supported on ubuntu | 20:51 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: attempting to do so is at your own peril | 20:51 |
| Guest8 | well I downloaded musicgpt source code that isn't using brew | 20:51 |
| Guest8 | I get the same error | 20:52 |
| Guest8 | musicgpt: error while loading shared libraries: libonnxruntime.so.1.17.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 20:52 |
| leftyfb | and now you need to undo all you did to install brew | 20:52 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: also, musicgpt isn't officially supported on ubuntu | 20:52 |
| Guest8 | I don't know how | 20:52 |
| connstruct | Reinstall. | 20:53 |
| Guest8 | $ (echo; echo 'eval "$(/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/bin/brew shellenv)"') >> /home/linuxconfig/.bashrc | 20:53 |
| Guest8 | $ eval "$(/home/linuxbrew/.linuxbrew/bin/brew shellenv)" | 20:53 |
| Guest8 | undo these | 20:53 |
| Guest8 | I'm NOT GOING TO REINSTALL, THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOT | 20:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: take this as a learning opportunity. learn about the tools and commands before just blindly trusting tutorials on the Internet. 90% of them are out of date within weeks of being published, and rarely take into account the modifications the author already made to their machine that they may benefit from without knowing. | 20:53 |
| leftyfb | a lot of broken configurations | 20:53 |
| connstruct | Guest8: No amount of yelling that is going to change the fact that you NEED to do so. Surely you have backups. | 20:54 |
| Guest8 | I think chatgpt knows how to | 20:54 |
| connstruct | oh, good luck with that. | 20:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | adding fuel to a fire... good idea Guest8 | 20:54 |
| rbox | chatgpt is a great way to make it worse than it already is | 20:54 |
| rbox | lol | 20:54 |
| connstruct | Your system is going to be hilariously broken in a few minutes. | 20:54 |
| oerheks | i bet chatgtp echoes my advise | 20:54 |
| Guest8 | I deleted that from bashrc | 20:56 |
| Guest8 | Homebrew 4.4.4 | 20:56 |
| Guest8 | is still installed | 20:56 |
| yrdsb | yo | 20:58 |
| Guest8 | ls -l $(which python3) /home/ronalds/anaconda3/bin/python3 -> python3.9 | 20:58 |
| yrdsb | Who know | 20:58 |
| yrdsb | ubuntu unity | 20:58 |
| Guest8 | so how do I install musicgpt on ubuntu 22.04 | 20:58 |
| Guest8 | ? | 20:58 |
| yrdsb | guest8 | 20:58 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: it's not officially supported | 20:58 |
| yrdsb | what irc cilent you use | 20:58 |
| oerheks | build it yourself? https://github.com/gabotechs/MusicGPT/releases/tag/v0.3.4 | 20:59 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: I suggest looking at using a VM, or it appears the project offers a docker image. | 21:00 |
| yrdsb | oerheks | 21:00 |
| yrdsb | what is the most popular linux distro | 21:00 |
| connstruct | yrdsb: Why are you back here with the same inane questions? | 21:00 |
| yrdsb | i like these questions | 21:01 |
| leftyfb | it's going on 3 years he's been trolling here | 21:01 |
| yrdsb | what you mean 3 years | 21:01 |
| leftyfb | 2022 Feb 16 09:16:11 <yrdsb>how do i install old kubuntu releses | 21:02 |
| leftyfb | and has been kicked from here 5 times | 21:02 |
| Guest8 | why tf musicGPT on docker download 2gb large files | 21:02 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: your questions about musicGPT should be directed towards the musicGPT project. It's not supported here | 21:03 |
| oerheks | complete image? with all bits and parts that come with it? | 21:03 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: likely because the docker image is configured for all the features. Also likely has the larger model included. Go to the musicGPT community for further help, they will have to guide you on finding the right way to get musicGPT working on your machine. This channel focuses its support on the packages included in Ubuntu's Software installer applications. | 21:05 |
| Guest8 | docker: Error response from daemon: could not select device driver "" with capabilities: [[gpu]]. | 21:21 |
| Guest8 | I have nvidia-driver-535 installed | 21:22 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: Read the documentation, it's clear that you are just blindly looking for commands and not reading anything | 21:23 |
| Guest8 | it seems like I have basic nvidia-drivers installed | 21:23 |
| Guest8 | otherwise rendering videos in nvenc and etc would not work ether | 21:24 |
| oerheks | docker needs something like --runtime=nvidia and toolkit installed? | 21:24 |
| oerheks | yeah, they give docs for that | 21:25 |
| Guest8 | https://docs.nvidia.com/datacenter/cloud-native/container-toolkit/latest/install-guide.html#configuring-docker | 21:25 |
| Guest8 | should I do this ? | 21:25 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: There is probably a command for telling the docker instance to use the local GPU. Docker instances run in a sandbox, and require explicate commands and permissions to access resources on the host system. These commands and instructions are usually included in the documenation (and I see them in that documentation) | 21:26 |
| Guest8 | ok it seems to worked | 21:34 |
| Guest8 | still waiting for docker image to start, but running on nvidia worked | 21:35 |
| Guest8 | sudo docker run -it --gpus all -p 8642:8642 -v ~/.musicgpt:/root/.local/share/musicgpt gabotechs/musicgpt --gpu --ui-expose | 21:39 |
| Guest8 | 2024-11-10 21:37:24.677 INFO MusicGPT running at http://4e722a5f1404:8642 | 21:39 |
| Guest8 | I don't understand, the link does not work in browser | 21:39 |
| oerheks | it uses meta? good luck | 21:41 |
| Guest8 | it does not say much in website | 21:41 |
| Guest8 | what do I have to do from now? | 21:41 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: you follow the instructions | 21:42 |
| pragmaticenigma | If you didn't configure docker networking to connect the port of the docker image to the local machine it's not going to work. Guest8 Several times now, I have told you, read up on the tools you are trying to use. We're not here to support your endever, especially since you are now way off base when it comes to Ubuntu. Maybe try asking in a docker channel/forum. Or more importantly, read up the documentation on the tools you are using. | 21:42 |
| oerheks | Right now it only supports MusicGen by Meta | 21:42 |
| leftyfb | Guest8: https://github.com/gabotechs/MusicGPT#:~:text=There%20are%20two%20ways%20of%20interacting%20with%20MusicGPT%3A%20the%20UI%20mode%20and%20the%20CLI%20mode. | 21:43 |
| Guest8 | it did not say anything about this "If you didn't configure docker networking to connect the port of the docker image to the local machine it's not going to work." | 21:44 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: because you need to read up on how to use docker | 21:46 |
| Guest8 | I don't know how or where | 21:47 |
| Guest8 | idiotic tutorials | 21:47 |
| oerheks | programmers are usually bad tutorial writers | 21:47 |
| Guest8 | sudo nvidia-ctk runtime configure --runtime=docker | 21:48 |
| Guest8 | I did this | 21:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: Read everything under this heading until you get to "With Cargo" | 21:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | https://github.com/gabotechs/MusicGPT/blob/main/README.md#docker-recommend-for-running-with-cuda | 21:48 |
| Guest8 | I did docker pull gabotechs/musicgpt | 21:48 |
| Guest8 | and docker run -it --gpus all -p 8642:8642 -v ~/.musicgpt:/root/.local/share/musicgpt gabotechs/musicgpt --gpu --ui-expose | 21:48 |
| Guest8 | what else am I missing? | 21:50 |
| Guest8 | INFO MusicGPT running at http://2e5a600207d3:8642 | 21:50 |
| rbox | the fact that none of this has anyting to do with ubuntu? | 21:51 |
| pragmaticenigma | The MusicGPT community... go there for further help. | 21:51 |
| pragmaticenigma | Guest8: You're expecting a group of individuals who have dedicated themselve to supporting and helping with Ubuntu, to know about an application that less than a percent of the general public is using. You're going to need to find the community that works with the software to get better and more useful help. | 21:52 |
| Guest8 | yeah and where is that even | 21:52 |
| connstruct | Why would we know? | 21:52 |
| oerheks | write on their github? | 21:59 |
| oerheks | this is why we officially only support packages from our repos | 21:59 |
| Guest8 | I finally found that it works on local ip | 22:12 |
| Guest8 | 8642 port | 22:12 |
| connstruct | So you're just blindly entering commands with no idea what they do. | 22:13 |
| rbox | this is the guy who had python installed through anaconda and homebrew | 22:14 |
| connstruct | Yeah. | 22:14 |
| pragmaticenigma | reasons to just stop responding at this point, their system is likely already broken, they'll be here soon enough to hear us all again say, time to reinstall | 22:14 |
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| Guest8 | so I got that musicGPT is accesable from browser but it turns out 535 nvidia driver cannot work so I installed cuda toolkit and nvidia 555 | 22:55 |
| oerheks | when you got this working, write a manual/blogpost? | 22:58 |
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