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| FKAShinobi | My monitors will not sleep when locked, I've disabled lock screen notifications. How do I fix this in 22.04 | 00:15 |
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| oerheks | gnome settings > privacy > screen > automatic screen lock delay ? | 00:44 |
| oerheks | 'period after screen blanks when the screen is automatically locked' | 00:45 |
| oerheks | 30 sec maybe? | 00:45 |
| FKAShinobi | oerheks: It locks, but it never sleeps. The monitor stays on. | 00:46 |
| oerheks | oke, no idea there | 00:47 |
| TheAtlas | https://youtube.com/shorts/JA7zuf53oco?si=i_0bDWdvYBOJvaaD | 01:35 |
| TheAtlas | Speaking of gnome | 01:35 |
| kut | gnome saiyan? | 01:39 |
| zully | hey | 01:51 |
| zully | I have Ubuntu on my remote VPS. Whenever I do ssh my_vps -D 4321 and do SOCKS proxy over 4321 - I'm using my VPS IP address, is that correct? | 01:52 |
| orangeHats | Anyone know how to restore a snap from a disk backup? e.g. I have the contents of /var/snap, but no "proper" snap backups | 01:57 |
| oerheks | Did you use snap export-snapshot? | 02:08 |
| oerheks | https://snapcraft.io/docs/snapshots | 02:08 |
| orangeHats | oerheks: nope, snapd was shut down cleanly, and now that boot partition is gone. I have the entire filesystem, but no snapshots | 02:19 |
| orangeHats | if I drop contents of the old /var/snap dir onto a new machine and start snapd, it doesn't detect any snaps | 02:19 |
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| aliciabela | www.myhornycam.com watch me squirt | 04:34 |
| DarkLordofDebian | Ugh | 04:39 |
| DarkLordofDebian | MODS!! We need a banhammer wielding mod over here! | 04:40 |
| el | for the spammer that was removed before you started talking? | 04:43 |
| webchat50 | How can I set the Windows-key to open up the apps menu instead of the entirely useless overview-thing? | 06:27 |
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| nadia | Hey all! We see some nftables/netfilter problems after upgrade from 5.15.0-1061-gke to 5.15.0-1067-gke. Could you help me figure out what went wrong there? | 09:30 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:51 |
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| cIclops | Hi again. How can stop 22.04 using a bad hard drive during installation? | 13:25 |
| frostschutz | cIclops, unplug it? ;-) if it's sata you can also disable the port with libata.force kernel parameter | 13:29 |
| cIclops | thx frostschutz, the bad 2TB disk has many good partitions and data, so it would help if it could be accessed after installation. 22.04 insists on using for its fs and easily corrupts. | 13:36 |
| cIclops | Perhaps it could be disabled in the Intel BIOS but I see no way of doing that | 13:37 |
| oerheks | just select the other harddisk during installation? | 13:40 |
| oerheks | make sure it is not the 1st hdd connected | 13:40 |
| frostschutz | cIclops, you can try libata.force=2:disable (if it's ata2, check e.g. 'realpath /sys/block/sdx/device'). alternatively in the running system you can try 'echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/block/sdx/device/delete'. replace sdx with actual device name (sda, sdb, ... check it, don't remove the wrong one) | 13:42 |
| roberto_ | hi | 13:46 |
| tomreyn | hello roberto_ | 13:47 |
| cIclops | frostschutz, the BIOS uses an AHCI SATA Port 1 for the bad disk and Port 0 for the supergood one. The good one is first in the boot order. | 13:48 |
| oerheks | clclops why would the installer use the 2nd one? is the 1st one not empty? | 13:48 |
| oerheks | * if that your target is | 13:49 |
| frostschutz | cIclops, you have to check the numbers linux uses. bios may be different (e.g. bios counts from 0, libata counts from 1) | 13:49 |
| cIclops | oerheks, IDK. both disks are almost full, the good one 100GB, the bad one much less | 13:50 |
| oerheks | just select the good one.. i don' t see an issue | 13:50 |
| cIclops | oerheks, where is the option for that? | 13:50 |
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| oerheks | by disk setup; choose manual installation? | 13:54 |
| cIclops | hmm i installed 22.04 three times alongside 14.04 and 16.04. I tried using the partition tool option to select the boot device but there was no install option | 13:54 |
| cIclops | each time it used the bad disk | 13:55 |
| oerheks | choose ' something else' https://ostechnix.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Advanced-Features.png.webp | 13:55 |
| oerheks | then you get this https://ostechnix.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Click-New-Partition-Table.png | 13:56 |
| oerheks | you would see sda sdb sdc and so on .. | 13:56 |
| oerheks | ' something else' was a bad choice, now we call it manual installation again, in 24.04 | 13:57 |
| cIclops | never saw that screen, perhaps because I had 14.04 and 16.04 installed (BTW they still work perfectly) | 13:58 |
| oerheks | good luck!~ | 13:58 |
| cIclops | hehe, got a patch so that firefox 132 runs on 16.04? | 14:00 |
| oerheks | ... | 14:00 |
| oerheks | no, only for 12.04 | 14:01 |
| cIclops | 14.04? | 14:01 |
| oerheks | 32 bit | 14:01 |
| cIclops | oerheks, frostschutz ... reinstalling | 14:16 |
| nadia | Hey all! We see some nftables/netfilter problems after upgrade from 5.15.0-1061-gke to 5.15.0-1067-gke. Looks like something is wrong in that diff, could you help me figure it out? | 14:54 |
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| oerheks | nadia, what is wrong with that Google KE kernel? | 15:14 |
| oerheks | and how do you tell? | 15:15 |
| nadia | it is used in k8s CI, and running valid nft transactions returns unexpected errors after this kernel upgrade. You can find an example of failure here https://storage.googleapis.com/kubernetes-ci-logs/pr-logs/pull/128886/pull-kubernetes-e2e-kind-nftables/1859623692095459328/artifacts/kind-control-plane/containers/kube-proxy-xm9s5_kube-system_kube-proxy-3f8afb0a2e0cfcc5dba38f8cf9f970a56f89e629896178f784016960cb1074fa.log | 15:19 |
| oerheks | not sure what to look for .. | 15:28 |
| cdriscoll | * CVE-2024-27012 | 15:30 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- In the Linux kernel, the following vulnerability has been resolved: netfilter: nf_tables: restore set elements when delete set fails From abort path, nft_mapelem_activate() needs to restore refcounters to the original state. Currently, it uses the set->ops->walk() to iterate over these set elements. The existing set iterator skips inactive elements in the next generation, t... <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2024-27012> | 15:30 | |
| cdriscoll | - netfilter: nf_tables: restore set elements when delete set fails <- maybe that has something to do with it in that version | 15:30 |
| nadia | search for "Error: Could not process rule: Device or resource busy" and then the transaction and current nft state is logged after | 15:44 |
| nadia | basically it thinks that a chain is referenced while it is actually not | 15:45 |
| kaleido3 | anyone seen an issue during server install where you manually assign ipv4 to a nice but the gateway and dns server fields reset to blank? | 15:52 |
| kaleido3 | nice/nic | 15:52 |
| cIclops | oerheks, frostschutz ... reached the installation screen, how do I share the image here? | 15:55 |
| cIclops | it's jpg image and the paste bin only seems to take text | 16:07 |
| oerheks | imgur | 16:14 |
| cIclops | that needs an account | 16:16 |
| cIclops | signal? | 16:16 |
| arraybolt3 | I don't think Imgur needs an account, it never has for me | 16:18 |
| arraybolt3 | you just click "New post", drag-n-drop your image, then share the link from the address bar | 16:18 |
| cIclops | ok i'll try english ... the installation type screen seems to offer the whole sda drive for formatting, should I use the new partition table option sand create one on the good drive, it now has 200GB free | 16:19 |
| oerheks | it does not need an account, .. oh arraybolt3 already said that | 16:21 |
| oerheks | just that empty space should work, for the installer to recognize | 16:22 |
| cIclops | arraybolt3, yay ta ... https://imgur.com/a/tLS6lkO | 16:23 |
| jpmh | when I do an: lsof -i, what does the FD column really mean? | 16:25 |
| oerheks | dump 14 and 16, unsupported, no updates | 16:25 |
| oerheks | jpmh, filedescriptor | 16:26 |
| cIclops | oerheks, they both boot perfectly, they are old frens :) | 16:26 |
| oerheks | file descriptor. Its values can be cwd , txt , mem , and mmap | 16:26 |
| oerheks | clemens3, so you have no space free, lolz | 16:28 |
| tomreyn | nadia: there is also #ubuntu-kernel, but, if you are convinced this is a bug, please file a bug report first, then refer to it on the kernel teams' IRC channel when inquiring about it. | 16:28 |
| tomreyn | nadia: it will also help to minimize / simplify the test case / description of the issue so they can easily understand what you're reporting as an apparent regression | 16:31 |
| cIclops | oerheks, how do I dump the 14.04 system without losing that data in that device? | 16:38 |
| cIclops | oerheks, (edit) how do I dump the 14.04 system without losing all the data in sda1? | 16:41 |
| jpmh | oerheks: yes, I realize that it is an FD, but with lsof -i what does something like 6u actually mean? | 16:42 |
| oerheks | clemens3, backup. | 16:46 |
| oerheks | err clclops backup? | 16:46 |
| oerheks | if you have no backup already, your precious data is unimportant. | 16:46 |
| kaleido3 | doing an install from livecd, i create a bond with two interfaces and manually configure ipv4. i can ping the ipv4 address from the gateway, but in the manual config the gateway and dns server fields keep reverting to empty. is there a way to make those values stick so i can continue with the install? | 16:48 |
| oerheks | kaleido3, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server | 16:49 |
| oerheks | why not use 1 interface now, and bond later after install? | 16:50 |
| oerheks | with a proper netplan https://github.com/canonical/netplan/blob/main/examples/bonding.yaml | 16:51 |
| jpmh | I found what the FD column means for lsof -i - the 6u means opened on FD 6 for read/write (update) | 16:51 |
| kaleido3 | if i use a single interface the same thing persists, the gateway and the dns server fields revert to empty | 16:52 |
| kaleido3 | can i write a netplan during the livecd setup? that would be just fine as well. | 16:54 |
| cIclops | oerheks, of course I have data backups that's why I want to keep 16.04 and its father 14.04 as backup systems as well | 16:54 |
| kaleido3 | i guess i can exit to a shell and write it and see what happens | 16:55 |
| knstn | Where can I upload two images for free? There is somethng going wrong with the locale settings on my Ubuntu laptop. I even removed the locales package, re-installed it and ran dpkg-reconfigure locales, but I get mixed results. Google Chrome for example is in swedish. | 16:59 |
| kk1234 | !paste | 16:59 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://bpa.st | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 16:59 |
| knstn | I don't know where the swedish comes from: https://imgur.com/a/J9Zbrz0 | 17:01 |
| cdriscoll | cat /etc/default/locale | 17:02 |
| knstn | It has only: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 | 17:04 |
| cdriscoll | ah, sorry i didn't check your screenshot first :( | 17:07 |
| opaqe-onion | whats up people | 17:12 |
| tomreyn | knstn: you could rgrep -Fil sv_SE ~/.local | 17:14 |
| tomreyn | maybe also ~/.config/ | 17:14 |
| flossyjet | Всім привіт, я вперше встановив Лінукс ОС. Будем вчити, побажайте мені вдачі)) | 17:27 |
| oerheks | !ru | 17:27 |
| ubottu | Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. | 17:27 |
| flossyjet | fuck russia | 17:27 |
| tomreyn | flossyjet: still, the topic here is ubuntu support only, in english language | 17:28 |
| flossyjet | ok i understood | 17:28 |
| tomreyn | this was ukrainian by the way. | 17:30 |
| oerheks | oh | 17:30 |
| oerheks | !ua | 17:30 |
| oerheks | #ubuntu-ua | 17:31 |
| paperin | Hello. I am again here to ask why i can't login in a freshly installed system. The password prompt goes from graphic to textual only as i press SHIFT ( i have a } in my password ) and then it says no key available with this passphrase. https://imgur.com/a/McxmUPE what can i do to fix this? | 17:32 |
| kuka_lie | try tty and startx | 17:33 |
| paperin | Note this is LUKS password, not my account password | 17:33 |
| paperin | I tried again to login using cryptsetup luksOpen on a live distro and indeed the password is correct, not doing anything wrong on my end | 17:36 |
| paperin | could be a bug on pressing SHIFT during password typing prompt? | 17:37 |
| opaqe-onion | @paperin have you tried a different keyboard? | 17:40 |
| opaqe-onion | thinking of easy to try things | 17:41 |
| paperin | opaqe-onion yes, same result | 17:41 |
| paperin | thinking of dropping } from the password | 17:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | No sure if it's your issue but consider ISO/ANSI layout differences, I had something similar with @ in a LUKS password | 17:45 |
| oerheks | 1 thought () are valid, {} are not? | 17:47 |
| paperin | sixwheeledbeast i didn't have this issue in 24.04 :( | 17:47 |
| paperin | brb testing with less special characters | 17:48 |
| oerheks | i wonder how you could have set } | 17:48 |
| arraybolt3 | cryptsetup will let you set a lot of weird stuff | 17:59 |
| paperin | back | 18:02 |
| paperin | i can confirm typing }, which with my keyboard layout i have to press SHIFT + AltGr + "+" totally fucks up my password prompt, that's a bug indeed never fixed | 18:04 |
| johndoe965 | Hi, I was wondering if anyone could guide me xorg configurations for my project: I want a lightweight OS for my raspi. Its has nothing else except Mixxx and its dependencies and basic linux distro like debian. I know that startx mixxx might work but i need detailed expertise. Thanks | 18:08 |
| lotuspsychje | johndoe965: wich pi model is it | 18:09 |
| Betal | does Ubuntu use dracut for initramfs? failing to find this info for some reason | 18:09 |
| oerheks | https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi | 18:11 |
| oerheks | johndoe965, or you might need to register to enter #debian | 18:12 |
| oerheks | Betal, as of 24.10 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/please-try-out-dracut/48975 | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | Betal: no, it uses Debian's initramfs-tools | 18:13 |
| oerheks | one could install dracut-core | 18:13 |
| Betal | mgedmin: thanks!, so Debian is using dracut but Ubuntu still using initramfs-tools | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | oh, debian switched already? nice | 18:14 |
| johndoe965 | oerheks raspi 4 model b+ | 18:15 |
| johndoe965 | oerheks, raspi 4 model b+ | 18:16 |
| oerheks | i have no example for xorg | 18:19 |
| johndoe965 | please explain | 18:20 |
| oerheks | why? bing for an example? i found none | 18:21 |
| oerheks | install ubuntu, then mixxx | 18:21 |
| johndoe965 | yeah but it just takes up too much resources that I might not decode musics in realtime, which is essential for im creating a standalone DJ system | 18:23 |
| oerheks | but you are on debian, not ubuntu? | 18:23 |
| lotuspsychje | johndoe965: choose a lightweight !flavour of ubuntu | 18:24 |
| oerheks | any rasppi is lightweight, for music you want the max 8gb | 18:25 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah decode + pi might be not ideal | 18:26 |
| johndoe965 | Im thinking about the minimal debian | 18:27 |
| johndoe965 | debootstrap debian arm for raspi | 18:27 |
| oerheks | oke, register your name, enter #debian | 18:27 |
| PSciCodeliXHAt | hello folks | 18:28 |
| johndoe965 | oerheks How? | 18:28 |
| oerheks | see the #libera page | 18:28 |
| oerheks | !register | 18:28 |
| ubottu | For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://libera.chat/guides/registration - For any further help, ask in #libera | 18:28 |
| oerheks | it is not that expensive | 18:29 |
| gaelheart | so rumor has it that the latest interim release has a new startup sound. I am using 24.04 LTS but i want to get this sound. Anybody know how i can get it? | 18:30 |
| oerheks | You could download the ubuntu-sounds theme package | 18:32 |
| gaelheart | oh ok cool | 18:32 |
| gaelheart | i'll do that now! | 18:32 |
| oerheks | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-sounds/0.14 | 18:32 |
| oerheks | oh 2018... wrong one | 18:34 |
| gaelheart | oh ok | 18:34 |
| gaelheart | so i don't use apt-get to download it? | 18:34 |
| oerheks | hmm not sure how to get it... | 18:34 |
| gaelheart | maybe somebody can send it to me | 18:35 |
| oerheks | ask in next | 18:35 |
| oerheks | !next | 18:35 |
| ubottu | Plucky Puffin is the codename for Ubuntu 25.04. For technical support, see #ubuntu-next. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality. | 18:35 |
| waveform | Betal, the move to dracut is currently under consideration: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/please-try-out-dracut/48975 | 18:35 |
| gaelheart | great! thank you. | 18:35 |
| gaelheart | maybe i can run it in boxes and just get it that way | 18:37 |
| oerheks | just doenload the iso.. | 18:38 |
| oerheks | rip it 🤪 | 18:38 |
| gaelheart | excellent! | 18:38 |
| gaelheart | i wonder if i can just drag it out of boxes to my desktop? | 18:39 |
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| gaelheart | we'll see | 18:39 |
| oerheks | mail it to yourself | 18:39 |
| gaelheart | ahh yeah baby! | 18:40 |
| gaelheart | oerheks while we're bullshitting i want to get an irc client with all the bells and whistles. recommend? | 18:42 |
| cIclops | ... still stuck on the 22.04 installation type screen using the Something Else manual config option. My best guess is I should create a new partition about 100GB on /dev/sda1 and somehow make it bootable without destroying the data and the 14.04 system. This screen is viewable here where it is rapidly becoming my background :) https://imgur.com/a/tLS6lkO | 18:44 |
| Naim | pkkhggftft7klhfgfhtbhfyuti7lt | 18:49 |
| Naim | ' | 18:49 |
| johndoe965 | gaelheart: Im satisfied with Quassel | 18:49 |
| gaelheart | ok johndoe965 i'll give that a go | 18:50 |
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| tomreyn | Naim: i'm afraid we don't support broken keyboards | 18:51 |
| cIclops | johndoe965, I'm totally dissatisfied with HexChat, it's barely supported, ancient and actually works | 18:52 |
| bprompt | cIclops: hmmm what's wrong with it? | 18:53 |
| bprompt | I mean, is what I use :) | 18:53 |
| tkinter | :-D | 18:55 |
| cIclops | bprompt, mee too :) maybe it's upset because johndoe965 is satisfied with Quassel | 18:55 |
| tkinter | different tastes.... | 18:56 |
| gaelheart | tkinter which should i download and install? https://imgur.com/a/2A9mV6Y | 18:57 |
| bprompt | cIclops: hmmm many follks have different tastes, some prefer IRSSI, which makes no sense to me, I have quassel, came with my installation, I've used it once or twice before, but I mainly use hexchat, I'm not sure is a hell lot different than hexchat | 18:57 |
| lotuspsychje | !discuss | 18:58 |
| ubottu | Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! | 18:58 |
| gaelheart | ok ubottu sorry | 18:58 |
| bprompt | cIclops: yeah, you can go ahead and join us at #ubuntu-offtopic on an IRC client inquiry | 18:59 |
| cIclops | point taken ubottu, are you AI upgraded? | 18:59 |
| tkinter | nah its a bot. it was called by "!discuss" | 18:59 |
| cIclops | lolz | 19:00 |
| bprompt | cIclops: well, I understand their point btw, if the channel was busy, it isn't so much, so the point is a bit moot, understandable but moot | 19:01 |
| bprompt | cIclops: however, feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic | 19:01 |
| cIclops | bprompt, not that moot as we all use chat clients to enjoy this experience | 19:02 |
| bprompt | cIclops: I mean, the moot point being the issue of being non-topical on a dead channel | 19:02 |
| bprompt | cIclops: anyhow many of the same guys at #ubuntu-offtopic , but topic is whatever :) | 19:03 |
| cIclops | anyone here managed to manually install 22.04? | 19:06 |
| bprompt | 22.04? we're up to 24.04.1 now | 19:06 |
| cIclops | some of us are trying to get there | 19:06 |
| tomreyn | gaelheart: /usr/share/sounds/Yaru/stereo/desktop-login.ogg should be the login sound | 19:10 |
| oerheks | cIclops, remove 14.04 and 16.04, they are no longer supported and should not connect to the internet, fresh install | 19:11 |
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| cIclops | oerheks, if I do that my system will be unbootable | 19:12 |
| tomreyn | gaelheart: or maybe /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/desktop-login.ogg - which is packaged in ubuntu-sounds, which can be downloaded at https://packages.ubuntu.com/oracular/all/ubuntu-sounds/download | 19:12 |
| oerheks | hard to believe, but you keep joking the channel, so i leave it to you | 19:13 |
| tomreyn | gaelheart_: there is also https://packages.ubuntu.com/oracular/all/yaru-theme-sound/download | 19:13 |
| tomreyn | other options: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=oracular&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=desktop-login | 19:14 |
| oerheks | tomreyn, i thought it was ubuntu-sounds? | 19:14 |
| tomreyn | oerheks: i odn't actually know | 19:14 |
| === gaelheart_ is now known as gaelheart | ||
| oerheks | it will point to 0.14, back from 18.04 so i got stuck, that is why gaelheart_ was in #next | 19:15 |
| tomreyn | hmm, well, yaru is the default theme on at least LTS, i think | 19:17 |
| cIclops | oerheks, well it is, right now I can only boot with the 22.04 USB installer and that takes about an hour, probably because of the corrupt disk. Then it crashes quite quickly whereas 14.04 and 16.04 both work with offline software such as my video editing tools | 19:17 |
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| tomreyn | cIclops: i haven't followed the conversation, but if you're saying all you have is a broken disk, then you need to get a non-broken one. | 19:25 |
| tomreyn | ubuntu installations on broken disks are not something we can support | 19:25 |
| cIclops | oerheks, thanks for trying to help. Can you recommend someone on this channel who knows about manual installation configuration. | 19:26 |
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| === johndoe965 is now known as tkinter | ||
| bprompt | manual installation configuration? | 19:27 |
| bprompt | cIclops: why not install 24.04.1 fresh? | 19:27 |
| cIclops | tomreyn, the system has two disks, AFAIK one has a corrupt partition. 14.04 and 16.04 can successfully boot without problems both disks. Installing 22.04 on the good disk should solve the problem however it is unclear how to configure the configuration to not use the corrupt partition. | 19:31 |
| tomreyn | by disconnecting the corrupt disk. keeping a corrupt disk connected serves no purpose anyways (except for data recovery, in case you decided your data was unimportant and had no backups) | 19:33 |
| cIclops | bprompt, will that automatically use the good disk, not destroy my 4TB of data and both working systems? | 19:34 |
| cIclops | tomreyn both 14.04 and 16.04 can access everthing on both disks except the one corrupt paritition that contains the fs | 19:35 |
| tomreyn | if "working systems" are on (physically) "bad disk" then "working systems" are really "yet kind of working but probably broken like the rest of the disk systems" | 19:36 |
| tomreyn | it's not clear what you mean by "corrupt partition" though. there can be corrupt partition tables, there can be corrupt file systems, there can be physically broken disks. | 19:37 |
| bprompt | cIclops: hmmm 4Tbs of data? are we talking installed apps or just your data? namely, are we talking about apps migrating or just data in place? I keep my data in a partition on its own, usually call it "depot", and I dump everything there, the installation goes on another partition, and installing a new OS doesn't touch my data partitioni | 19:38 |
| tomreyn | you may be able to temporarily keep working with a disk which is physically broken, but this will be unreliable and a bad idea, since any write to it will make it worse. | 19:38 |
| cIclops | that one partition contain sboth the 14.04 and 16.04 filesystems, it's about 40GB. the other 1960 GB of data is fine. I suspect its snaps are corrupted. | 19:40 |
| cIclops | fsck is often called to manually fix that one partition | 19:40 |
| tomreyn | the installer, when booted in uefi mode, will write the boot code (grub-efi) to what it determines to be the efi system partition, which ever disk that is on, and whichever choice you make for "device for boot loader installation". that's an old, long standing bug. | 19:42 |
| tomreyn | if you install in bios mode, the "device for boot loader installation" setting will actually apply. | 19:42 |
| cIclops | bprompt most of it are video files | 19:42 |
| cIclops | tomreyn, I tried to disable the bad disk in the intel bios, but there seems to be no option | 19:43 |
| tomreyn | unless you're using LVM or similar, one partition cannot contain multiple file systems. | 19:43 |
| tomreyn | see what i wrote above about disconnecting broken disks | 19:44 |
| cIclops | tomreyn, that's my understnading, I installed 16.04 *alongside* 14.04 | 19:45 |
| cIclops | tomreyn, readit | 19:45 |
| tomreyn | cIclops: you seem to be going in circles then. also, you seem to have asked the same question about somehow overcoming the issue of the borken disk previously, and siconnecting it was also recommended then. | 19:48 |
| cIclops | tomreyn, it's an old system way before UEFI | 19:48 |
| tomreyn | *disconnecting | 19:48 |
| cIclops | obviously when this is fixed the data on both disks should be readable, the good disk is much younger | 19:49 |
| tomreyn | so if it's a bios booting system you should be able to install just to the non-broken disk by selecting that on the manual installer for both partitioning and bootloader installation. still, the kernel will likely be accessing (or trying to access) the broken disk while it remains connected. | 19:50 |
| tomreyn | so just disconnect it for the installation, and bring it back afterwards, for as long as need be, if at all. | 19:51 |
| cIclops | tomreyn, have you successfully completed a manual configuration install using the Something else option? | 19:51 |
| tomreyn | you can also bring it back via usb to sata | 19:51 |
| tomreyn | not on 24.04, but certainly on earlier releases | 19:52 |
| cIclops | well this is 22.04 | 19:52 |
| tomreyn | why don't you install 24.04 instead? | 19:52 |
| tomreyn | actually, ignore this question. i recommend that you install the latest LTS, but 22.04 is still supported | 19:53 |
| cIclops | tomreyn, as I typed before will 24.04 automatically use the good disk, not destroy my 4TB of data and both working systems? | 19:55 |
| tomreyn | cIclops: i won't support attempts to install ubuntu on a system which has a broken disk connected | 19:56 |
| cIclops | tomreyn you said: if it's a bios booting system you should be able to install just to the non-broken disk by selecting that on the manual installer for both partitioning and bootloader installation | 19:57 |
| oerheks | but sda is just 2 tb | 19:58 |
| cIclops | tomreyn can you talk me through how to do that, see my screen image? | 19:58 |
| tomreyn | <tomreyn> cIclops: i won't support attempts to install ubuntu on a system which has a broken disk connected | 19:58 |
| cIclops | tomreyn thx for that | 19:59 |
| bprompt | cIclops: there's no sense in keeping the corrupted disk connected, mind you that with each powering up of it, it corrupts further | 20:00 |
| bprompt | salvage whatever data you can and need from it, and toss it on the trashbin | 20:00 |
| cIclops | for the purpose of learning let's assume both disks are working perfectly, how would you install 22.04 with all its partitions only on one named disk? | 20:05 |
| cIclops | oops that was for tomreyn | 20:05 |
| bprompt | cIclops: fresh and manual installation, then pick the partition you want as "/", pick your "swap" partition, and go ahead, keeping in mind the "/" partition will be formatted and data wiped out first | 20:12 |
| oerheks | ubuntu uses 1 partition, like 14.04 and 16.04 .. and this has been answered many times. | 20:13 |
| bprompt | yeap, ditto that | 20:13 |
| oerheks | sda has no space | 20:13 |
| oerheks | sdb: select the right disk, in manual/something else... | 20:14 |
| oerheks | but it is useless as you keep comming up with the same doubts | 20:15 |
| oerheks | (while you did not doubt installing 16.04 next to 14.04) | 20:16 |
| oerheks | 🤣 | 20:16 |
| bprompt | cIclops: in short, "just do it" =), when crossing the river you're going to get wet, so you need to first make up your mind if you want to cross it or not, if you don't, then don't cross it, just bear in mind you'll never make it to the other side, however don't expect it to cross and be dry, that's no happening | 20:18 |
| cIclops | bprompt, thank you very much should I cross my fingers first? | 20:24 |
| bprompt | cIclops: nope, just bear in mind the manual installation is hmmmm I think quite simple, I mean, I've done many times, I do manually each time, you can always run the liveUSB session, run the partition manager first, and do any prepping there, and from the liveUSB session you can start the installation, I've done that before, because I prefer the partition manager from the liveUSB session for any tidying up I need to do | 20:27 |
| cIclops | bprompt, that is an interesting idea, never used liveUSB | 20:30 |
| bprompt | cIclops: the liveUSB session, well in Kubuntu comes with a partition manager, but also has a desktop icon for "install", which let's you install right from the desktop | 20:32 |
| Apachez | is there a way through dpkg or such to find out which "sections" or "categories" the installed apps belongs to in terms of apt sections? | 20:34 |
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| cIclops | thanks to everyone for all their thoughts and time | 20:39 |
| oerheks | not easy; dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\n' | grep ^(contrib | non-free | restricted | multiverse | partner ) | 20:39 |
| oerheks | not easy; dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\n' | grep ^non-free | 20:39 |
| oerheks | etc | 20:39 |
| bprompt | Apachez: hmmm checked "dpkg -s PACKAGENAME" yet? for example ----> dpkg -s apache2 <--- now, you can grep it such as ----> dpkg -s apache2 | grep -i section | 20:42 |
| Apachez | I think I found something with: dpkg -p | grep "Section:" | 20:43 |
| Apachez | then I just need to sort and group that | 20:43 |
| Apachez | and the result would display which sections installed packages belongs to | 20:44 |
| bprompt | Apachez: hmmm why the need for it? just wondering | 20:44 |
| Apachez | Im about to setup a apt mirror using POM (proxmox offline mirror) and before syncing upstream to create my master copy I want to exclude as many sections/categories as possible | 20:45 |
| Apachez | so I dont have to sync 4.7TB of data but only 50GB or so | 20:45 |
| Apachez | and then from this master-copy I can upload to my own repo servers or put on a usb drive or even burn on a disc | 20:45 |
| Apachez | like a server rarely needs "section: games" so then I dont have to sync those terabytes of data :) | 20:46 |
| bprompt | right | 20:46 |
| oerheks | just sync installed? | 20:50 |
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| Apachez | na it will grab the packages to the mastercopy like a regular http download | 20:51 |
| Apachez | but from there its up to you how you want to forward that data | 20:52 |
| deadrom | hi | 21:02 |
| oerheks | hi deadrom | 21:02 |
| deadrom | tricky subject: I'd like to ditch Windows for a Linux distro for gaming. I won't lower myself to asking for a "best distro" as with well over two decades linux experience I know it's not that easy, but I'd like to hear what you think of ubuntu as a base for gaming (Ryzen+NVidia 3000 series) and if all those ubuntu derivates like Drauger and Pop!OS are worth a try or should best be forgotten. | 21:05 |
| deadrom | (Pop!OS annoyed me off the bat to a degree that made me consider writing them an angry email already) | 21:05 |
| oerheks | steam is getting better, some games run faster than on windows | 21:06 |
| deadrom | I will need CUDA for one non-gaming application so easy nvidia handling is key. It's beed ages since I ran non-open graphics drivers, so how's things with that today? | 21:07 |
| deadrom | I will be running pretty much 2 app, both oddballs: Digital Combat Simulator and Daz3D | 21:07 |
| oerheks | 24.10 runs the 6.11 kernel | 21:09 |
| oerheks | but i think you should stay on LTS = stable | 21:10 |
| deadrom | I'd rather go for LTS | 21:10 |
| deadrom | I don't care so much about the kernel (unless that affects cuda or the driver in general) but more about easy of use and stability as is "I don't want the latest craze beta to squeeze 3 more fps out of it" but expect the thing to work the next day | 21:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 6.11 will be able via hwe eventually | 21:12 |
| deadrom | like said, unless there are reasons to go for 6.x can live fine with whatever. A kernel that did not come with the distro will create closed src driver issues. Been there done that. | 21:14 |
| Apachez | hmm... dpkg -p doesnt really include all packages I can see through dpkg -l | 21:16 |
| deadrom | I guess I'll just pick a large SSD and have /home seperated so I can switch around :) one of the advantages of not having to deal with windows... | 21:17 |
| bprompt | Apachez: dpkg -p deals with individual packages, dpkg -l is a full list of installed packages | 21:20 |
| Apachez | so I need to use like awk to pick out each package through dpkg -l in order to throw that into apt show in order to figure out section of all installed packages? | 21:22 |
| Apachez | because when running dpkg -p | grep "Section:" I get 183 hits | 21:23 |
| Apachez | hmm something is fishy over here... | 21:24 |
| Apachez | dpkg -l | grep "ii " | cut -d " " -f3 | xargs -n1 apt-cache show | grep "Section:" | 21:36 |
| Apachez | any suggestions on how to speed that up? :) | 21:36 |
| Apachez | dpkg -l | grep '^ii ' | cut -d ' ' -f3 | xargs -n1 apt-cache show | grep '^Section:' | sort -u | 21:48 |
| bprompt | Apachez: dpkg -l | grep "ii " | cut -d " " -f3 | xargs apt-cache show | grep "Section:" <----- omitting the -n1 | 21:59 |
| bprompt | Apachez: concatenating the arguments, works faster than one-by-one, assuming the command takes the concatenation, but this one does | 22:02 |
| Apachez | ok, thanks | 22:02 |
| Apachez | yeah omitting that -n1 went way faster :D | 22:02 |
| Apachez | next up... how do I script the output of this and crosstest against all available sections so I will only list sections which none of my packages exists in? :) | 22:04 |
| bprompt | Apachez: hmmm not sure I follow the question =), you can try at #bash though, I mean, I read the line, you're using the output to test for something, is all I got | 22:08 |
| Apachez | yeah but is there somehow in the cli to find out all available sections ? | 22:24 |
| Apachez | Im guessing "apt-cache dumpavail" would dump all sections thats known? | 22:25 |
| Apachez | apt-cache dumpavail | grep "^Section:" | sort -u | 22:27 |
| Apachez | so basically taking output of apt-cache dumpavail | grep "^Section:" | sort -u and remove the hits from dpkg -l | grep "^ii " | cut -f 3 -d " " | xargs apt-cache show | grep "^Section:" | sort -u | 22:28 |
| Apachez | thats is total sections - already installed sections = not installed sections | 22:28 |
| evon59526 | Can't mount the LVM for some reason. /dev/pve/data doesn't exist even though lvdisplay and lsblk both show the device. I can't mount it ```mount: /mnt/old: special device /dev/pve/data does not exist.``` | 22:54 |
| tomreyn | are you sure this is ubuntu? which kernel is running according to cat /proc/version ? what does lsb_release -ds say? | 22:58 |
| Apachez | # List which sections no of the currently installed packages belongs to | 23:16 |
| Apachez | comm -3 <(apt-cache dumpavail | grep "^Section:" | sort -u) <(dpkg -l | grep "^ii " | cut -f 3 -d " " | xargs apt-cache show | grep "^Section:" | sort -u) | 23:16 |
| Apachez | until today I had never knew/seen "comm -3 <() <()" :) | 23:16 |
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