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circleHi if a Dell laptop is certified with Ubuntu 20.04 kernel 5.10.0-1020-oem, is it expected that later releases say 24.04 should work, or must I install an oem kernel ? I'm guessing there may be complications with NVIDIA and other hardware.02:03
circleOr is it recommended I run 20.04 on it? that seems pretty old.02:04
ravageTake a full backup. Install 24.04. it will probably work02:06
ravageIf you run into problems restore from backup02:06
Guest77Pls could anyone help me with call of Duty card point (cp) I was drawing on  a new lucky  draw then my cp finished pls God will bless you and you never lack in life here is my codm account ID  92KZVQ02:07
ravageI have no idea what you are talking about but this is the wrong place for it.02:08
Guest77Ooh02:09
circleRegarding NVIDIA and hardware support, is Ubuntu equi02:11
circleRegarding NVIDIA and hardware support, is the Kubuntu release equivalent to the corresponding Ubuntu release?02:12
Guest18i recommend using mainline or apt update linux-kernel reinstalling all thz os makes you lose all the old configurations nless you'r good to play with the .conf files02:12
ravageIt uses the same kernel if that is what you want to know02:12
circleI don't know whether that is what I want to know02:13
circleGuest: what is "using mainline" ?02:16
Guest18mainline is a usefool tool out there02:16
Guest18useful*02:16
ravageYou don't need an of that02:19
circleravage: pardon?02:20
ravageMake sure you have a backup and try Ubuntu or Kubuntu. I would recommend the latest LTS release 24.0402:20
ravageIt supports Nvidia out of the box02:21
circleOh that's good news, hope it works for me also02:21
Guest18yea kubuntu is fancy02:21
ravageKeep in mind support for Kubuntu is limited to 3 years02:22
ravageUbuntu gets 5 and with Ubuntu Pro you even get 1002:22
circleI thought Kubuntu was just Ubuntu with KDE desktop.  After installing Kubuntu 24.04 can I downgrade to Ubuntu 24.04 with KDE desktop ?02:26
circle(to get the full 5 year support)02:26
ravageNo02:26
ravageThe KDE part is what has limited support02:26
circleWhat if I install Ubuntu and then apt install (whatever packages Kubuntu installs) ?02:27
ravageYou get 3 years of updates for those02:28
Guest18i believe ubuntu use jammy suppor am i wrong ?02:29
ravageJammy is the 22.04 release name of Ubuntu02:29
circleOh so the KDE packages are only updated for 3 years, but the GNOME and the CLI executables are updated for 5 ?02:29
ravageRight02:29
ravageAll flavours of Ubuntu only get 3 years of updates02:30
circleoh, after 3 years the packages are only updated on the unflavored release.02:31
ravageAll that only applies to LTS releases02:34
ravagenon-LTS release get 9 months updates in general02:34
circleSo is there a downside to installing the standard 24.04 LTS, "sudo apt install kde-standard" [or -full], and then only using KDE and not GNOME? Are there going to be GNOME-related backend parts running in the background even if no one is logged in to a GNOME session?02:37
ravageIt just makes things more complicated02:37
ravageJust install Kubuntu directly02:38
JuanCrowFeatherDragon02:59
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buckyis the repo slow tonight or is it just me, dial-up speed to apt-install irssi03:23
xanguadid you select the fastest mirror?03:28
buckyI had trouble with my RealTek 8852 CE and I get a pop up window error with "03:29
buckydownload speed test shows 1.79 m/s03:30
buckysays it is slow03:30
bucky"connection failed,Activation of network failed03:32
buckylsmod shows the Realtek module, but my wireless didn't work at all until I tethered my phone and dl'd new firmware03:34
buckyafter install03:34
buckygoogle shows I'm not the only person with problems with this wireless card03:35
xanguaso it is a new card? maybe try backports?03:37
buckyyeah it's a new card, do I have to edit sources.list to enable backports?03:38
buckythank you03:40
buckyexit03:40
* bucky hand me a /03:41
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Square2First of all. I love ubuntu. But man, whoever decided on default colors for Terminal needs to take a UX class: https://imgur.com/a/EVxGTMM04:23
Square2ops, wrong link. Here https://imgur.com/a/eV40ajY04:25
rboxyeah, it sucks you can't change the colors04:25
Square2rbox, are you sarcastic?04:26
rboxyou're the one whining about defaults04:27
Square2Terminal is quite an important tool. What if Firefox or Chrome came close to unusable out of the box?04:29
MarkB2This evening I backed up all my files to external media then triggered an upgrade from 22.04 to 24.04.  The process seemed to work well... but now there's only one monitor recognized.05:07
MarkB2Per the usual, the video board is an NVidia Quadro 2000.  This was fine for dual-monitor under 16.04, 18.04, 22.04, and fails under 24.04 .05:08
MarkB2After searching the web, the "advice" was to download the Quadro 2000 driver from NVidia and do a manual install.05:09
MarkB2That failed because the script returned an error code 10 (can't communicate with X-Server?) and it wants to terminate X.05:10
MarkB2sudo lightdm stop   looks like it stopped X alright.  But it left me with a black display.05:11
MarkB2Tried using Ubuntu's Software and Updates pane to switch to the NVidia display... and it erred out.  Tracking down the crash report... the compiler barfed at trying to compile the driver.05:13
MarkB2How do I enable two-display operation under Ubuntu 24 with the Quadro 2000 board?05:13
MarkB2Hmm.. maybe spoke too soon.  Wrong driver?  Back to the bits.05:41
mek42Hi.  I have ubuntu studio on my kid's laptop, but #kubuntu seems pretty dead, so I decided to visit here.07:52
ravagetry https://matrix.to/#/#ubuntustudio:ubuntu.com07:53
mek42thanks, I'll check them out if I have studio specific things, but here should be good for basic linux things, right?07:55
ravagethis is for Ubuntu things yes.  There is also https://matrix.to/#/#community:ubuntu.com07:56
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mek42Ok.  I was having intermittent system hangs (24.04, plasma) and game crashes (Dominions 6 via Steam deb from their site).  At the time, my system had 8 GB RAM.  At first I added 8 GB for 16 total and limited my zfs arc max size to 1.5 GB.  I just now intalled zram-config and removed the arc limit.  I'm about to read up on how to check zram.08:11
ravageMy approach would be to set an arc limit and not fiddle with zram08:19
ravage16GB should be enough to run a basic system and run a game08:20
ravageBut I would also not recommend ZFS as the root filesystem in general08:20
ravageUbuntu does not give that feature any love08:21
cIclopsHi all. Completed a 22.04 USB minimal install with updates and extra drivers. Erased all other systems etc. After removing the USB and restarting 'bootable device not detected'. BIOS sees single SATA drive ok. Rebooted install USB with Try Ubuntu. Disks and GParted Disks report no errors. Support please.08:57
oerheksselect the right bootdevice in your bios09:05
cIclopsAFAIK it is the only boot device unless a USB is connected09:07
sixwheeledbeastDoes sound like it maybe a boot order thing09:18
cIclopsorder is Hard/optical/removable09:19
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sixwheeledbeastdoes it have some netboot type thing. I have a laptop that unless I make the boot order only the drive it tries to boot via network. Can you manually select the drive at boot time to prove.09:23
cIclopsmay have fixed it .. enabled UEFI (for a 2TB drive)09:29
cIclopsYes enabling UEFI solved it, now my system is upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS :)10:08
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frederik_bI have a systemd-resolved question. Is this the appropriate channel? I want to add a specific server for a specific TLD. But if I add a [Resolve] section in a specific resolved.conf.d file, with a Domains=~test, it takes over my global settings.12:29
oerhekshi frederik_b, i don' t know the answer, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server too12:30
frederik_b@oerheks, thanks,  I will ask there too!12:31
BluesKajHi all12:31
sprokkelfrederik_b: I found this on chatgpt: https://paste.linux.chat/?d38c6346f8e10bd3#2nQyEGZCM2q7pQs2YQdsLDcx9FQWksFQq6zwdGqRpMo212:45
frederik_b@sprokkel I had a conversation with ChatGPT too but that did not got me where I wanted, so I decided to ask smarter people!12:46
sprokkelgl12:47
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lotuspsychjewould kodi crash logs contain also sensitive data, like the regular crash bugs procedure?13:21
lotuspsychjei see the logs in my /home for kodi13:21
tomreynlotuspsychje: when you run (GNU) file on this file, what does it say?13:34
tomreynalso, is there a file extension (kodi-crash.something)?13:35
lotuspsychjeill check in a bit tomreyn its on my nuc13:35
tomreynnormally, i think crash dumps do to /var/crash, but maybe this one is generated by kodi itself13:35
tomreyn*go to13:35
oerheksxdg-open https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id) # to see if they are send13:35
lotuspsychjei was just wondering if they are safe to attach to my already existing kodi bug13:37
sway_exit13:45
tomreynlotuspsychje: i don't know what they look like / contain, since they are apparently produced by kodi - which i don't regularly use - itself, not the crash capturing mechanism ubuntu provides. if it was the latter, then they'd usually contain memory dumps, and could thus contain sensitive information.13:59
lotuspsychjemaybe i should just await the dev request14:00
tomreyn(which is why access to uploaded raw crash dumps is probably restricted to a small group of developers)14:00
lotuspsychjetomreyn: bug #208948414:01
-ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2089484 in kodi (Ubuntu) "Kodi crashes often on random" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208948414:01
lotuspsychjeapport didnt import much of use by default14:01
JanCif the crash logs are text you can check yourself what is in it; if they are binary crash dumps then you must assume they contain everything that was in memory (for the Kodi process) when Kodi crashed14:02
oerheks55 days old: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kodi/+bug/2072534  This bug is likely affecting everybody that uses Kodi on Ubuntu 24.04 due to a compatibility issue with Python 3.12.14:03
-ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2072534 in kodi (Ubuntu) "Kodi crashes immediately when starting to play AV1 on Ubuntu 24.04 noble" [Undecided, Confirmed]14:03
oerheksuh oh14:03
JanCoh, right, Kodi is Python, so it might be Python backtraces14:04
lotuspsychjewell on my side, it seems not to crash playing videos or music14:04
lotuspsychjebut rather on startup or browsing to certain dirs14:04
JanCif so, those would be text, and possibly (but not guaranteed) cleaned from private data too14:04
lotuspsychjetnx oerheks , ill affect it too14:05
JanCmaybe check with 'file' what those files are, as suggested before14:06
lotuspsychjeok i will14:07
tomreynif the kodi crash log has the same format as this https://github.com/user-attachments/files/16134598/kodi_crashlog-20240708_230819.log then it should be safe to share - that's just a backtrage, log, and system info.14:08
tomreyn*backtraCe14:08
JanCoh, Kodi is part C or C++ & part Python or so?14:08
tomreynstack trace even14:08
JanCbut indeed they are just text, and you can easily check yourself if anything private is in there14:09
tomreynhopefully they didn't write the video processing code in python14:09
JanCwell, they would use libraries for that obviously14:10
JanCsomething based on or derived from ffmpeg14:11
tomreyn"Top languages: C C++ Python Shell CMake" says github14:11
tomreynC++ 87.3%14:12
JanCyeah, I think there is a C/C++ core with Python used to create plugins14:12
JanCor something like that14:12
JanCdo they have a copy of ffmpeg in there though?14:13
tomreynthe source code is at https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc14:13
lotus|NUCkodi_crashlog-20240518_144519.log looks like an strace14:20
lotus|NUCalso asks for password on opening14:21
tomreynthis log seems to date back to may 2024. password prompt is likely due to it being owned by root? but then it should not be stored in your home directory.14:22
lotus|NUCthey are14:23
lotus|NUCinvalid escape sequence in allmusic.py14:25
lotus|NUCseems like a lot of errors inside those logs of all sorts14:26
lotus|NUCand /var/crash empty14:30
jluc'O14:41
lotuspsychjewelcome jluc14:41
jlucthx14:41
jluci have an issue with Thunderbird :14:42
jlucit cant open any of my 2 TB profiles anymore14:42
jlucin the terminal i got various messages14:44
jlucone of them is "[GFX1-]: glxtest: libpci missing"14:44
jlucother messages are here : https://termbin.com/yren14:45
jluclike "GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported.14:46
jluc"14:46
jlucleading to "Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module""14:46
jlucbut also14:46
jluc"Not loading module "atk-bridge": The functionality is provided by GTK natively. Please try to not load it."14:46
jlucand "WARNING: GTK+ module /snap/thunderbird/581/gnome-platform/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so cannot be loaded."14:47
jlucOh14:48
jlucsudo apt-get upgrade says it will **downgrade** thunderbird !!14:48
jlucafter up"down"grade i launched it a first time and it failed,14:51
jlucand a second time on a secondary folder and it is ok now14:51
jlucand a third time on the main profile and it is ok now14:52
jlucand almost no more errors in terminal14:53
jlucwell...14:53
sierrawrhallo14:58
oerheks:-)14:59
de-factosomething in my ~/.config prevents stupid gnome shell from displaying a DE, gdm3 login succeeds but then the gray screen freezes the mouse. putting .config aside makes it work. how can i find out where gnome shell trips over its own config crap?15:02
de-factomotivation: id like to continue using my .config ofc15:03
oerhekswithout the .config, ubuntu version , nobody can.  you know we need this15:07
oerheksand a dmesg or journalctrl log would help, with warnings15:08
de-factohuh? its ubuntu 22.04 LTS on amd6415:08
de-factoid guess its a generic gnome shell problem15:08
de-factohence my question about how i can find out where gnome trips over its own config15:09
de-factoi cant share my entire .config sorry.15:09
de-factodmesg did look clean, its a gnome thing15:09
de-factojournalctl from what?15:10
de-factowhere does gnome store its crap in .config?15:10
jlucamof, it looks like i have 2 thunderbird installed : snap and not snap15:11
jlucwheris says "/usr/bin/thunderbird /usr/lib/thunderbird /etc/thunderbird /snap/bin/thunderbird /usr/share/man/man1/thunderbird.1.gz"15:11
jlucsnap is the broken one15:11
jlucIt was ok until now but not now anymore15:12
oerheksfor last failed start; journalctl -b1 | grep warning15:13
jluci'm glad the "application center" enabled to confirm there was both snap and deb and to uninstall easily snap15:13
oerheksor failure, or crap15:13
oerheks🤪15:13
jluccrash maybe ?15:13
jlucwhereis is shorter now : only "/usr/bin/thunderbird /usr/lib/thunderbird /etc/thunderbird /usr/share/man/man1/thunderbird.1.gz"15:14
jlucis the gz usefull ?15:15
JanClotus|NUC: when an application catches exceptions/crashes of its own, Ubuntu's crash tool doesn't see a crash, so there won't be anything in /var/crash15:29
JanClotuspsychje: ^15:30
semI'm glad that it is possible to stop and resume photorec15:36
lotuspsychjeok tnx JanC15:39
JanCIIRC you see this with Firefox too when it crashes15:41
JanCwhere it will show its own crash dialog15:41
ogra_jluc, note that all the messages you sent are normal for the snap (they are either wranings or info messages, not errors at all) ... the gz is the thunderbird manpage the deb ships15:47
ogra_jluc, also note that the offical deb is simply installing the snap in 24.04 so an upodate of the deb from the archive will just re-install the snap15:49
jlucoh15:50
jluci think i got it from some thunderbird ppa15:51
JanCthe warnings are mostly from trying to load stuff for compatibility reasons, I suppose (to help Thunderbird run on many different distros, older & newer versions of libraries, with or without some things available or not, etc.)15:51
jluchtop only displays /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird now15:52
jlucseemingly no snap relating to thunderbird15:52
jlucand i'm glad with that because my mails are too important for a snap15:52
ogra_lol15:53
jluc... i sometime felt a bit handicaped with snaps in the past15:54
jluci didnt take notes15:54
jluconly remember not being able to access whole disq and having to tweak some config just to be able to read from some other folder...15:55
ogra_yeah, they are different and need some getting used to them ... but they safe a liot of diskspace, are more secure and come with builtin backup functionality ...15:55
ogra_*save a lot15:55
ogra_(and they are usually way ahead of the archive packages)15:56
jlucbackup of what ?15:56
ogra_your precious mails in this case 😉15:56
ogra_(see "snap help" it comes with a ton of useful builtin features)15:58
retrospectacusGood day! I am running xubuntu in Vmware Workstation. This transparent square has appeared, blocking clicks on a small part of the screen. It's always on top and does not seem to do anything, react, move... any ideas what is going on? The square can be seen in the top left corner of this annotated screenshot, along with some debug info. How can I get the PID who has created this square?  https://img16:03
retrospectacusur.com/a/SDABGGb16:03
retrospectacusHere https://imgur.com/a/SDABGGb16:03
ogra_retrospectacus, perhaps https://linux.die.net/man/1/xwininfo ?16:06
ogra_(assuming xubuntu still uses X11)16:06
retrospectacusI tried xwininfo and you can see the output in the screenshot. I had not tried the `-all` option, but it still does not reveal the PID. Nor does `xprop`.16:16
retrospectacusHere is the output of those commands when I clicked on that cursed square; https://imgur.com/a/BbsY1GW16:21
ogra_well, it says the app is "vmware-user"16:24
retrospectacusSorry, I should send the link like this, it is easier to read. https://i.imgur.com/CgU5Bqm.png https://i.imgur.com/Nywcchq.png16:24
ogra_did you grep your processlist for that term ?16:25
retrospectacusogra_: yes, I looked in `ps fauxe|less -S` and there is only one thing called vmware: root         419  0.0  0.0 227328   260 ?        Ssl  Nov21   0:00 vmware-vmblock-fuse /run/vmblock-fuse -o rw,subtype=vmware-vmblock,default_permissions,allow_other,dev,suid16:26
ogra_weird16:26
retrospectacus"block fuse" suggest a filesystem thing. I tried dragging a file onto the square but nothing happened16:27
ogra_https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-Tools/12.3.0/com.vmware.vsphere.vmwaretools.doc/GUID-FB7FA658-7622-4680-BD9F-7A6670C12794.html&ved=2ahUKEwiU8arV-oGKAxVsh_0HHb2gHC0QFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0kzuE5c5lCrwWcKBPf7s5g16:28
ogra_ugh ... thats a long URL16:28
ogra_so vmware-user comes from the vmware guesst utilities and is supposed to handle copy/paste in and out of the VM16:29
ogra_i'd dig into the vmware docs and see how you can prevent it from starting if you dont need it16:29
ogra_there seems to be a "vmware-toolbox-cmd" that lets you configure it16:32
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retrospectacusVery interesting, thanks. I do have vmware-toolbox-cmd and drag'n drop does work. Not seeing how the cursed square fits in yet. There is no process named `vmware-user` running, but there is a binary /usr/bin/vmware-user from deb open-vm-tools-desktop16:40
jlucactualy ogra_ my deb is 128.5 (found following thunderbird site links) when proposed stable snap is 128.417:00
jluc(but there are also 2 other snaps : a 128.5 "candidate" and a 134 beta17:01
jlucthe snapstore is a future worth solution to the "its difficult to install software on linux" rant17:03
spinningCatdo i need to fix this17:03
spinningCatroot 256 inode 25237492 errors 2001, no inode item, link count wrong17:03
spinningCatunresolved ref dir 17871896 index 19301 namelen 17 name root-f6a26019.log filetype 1 errors 4, no inode ref17:03
spinningCati checked the fs and it has lots of messages like this17:03
jlucbut maybe it's still a bit "beta" as for now :-)17:04
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Guest674bonjour a tous18:51
retrospectacusI got rid of the cursed square by killing my vmtoolsd process (there is also a vmtoolsd process running as root). But drag'n drop functionality was lost. I tried running vmtools again in the terminal to no avail. I logged out and in, and it's fixed. Finally I can click the "back" button on gitg18:53
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Guest80Hi19:27
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djshadowengwww.playdanceradio.com21:05
rud0lfjeez he's here as well21:06
tomreyndjshadoweng: we don't condone link and any other spamming around here.21:25
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tomreynKAL9000: please see my private message - thanks.21:34
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ak2766I recently got a notification to restart my laptop due to an update to docker.io.  Shouldn't container restarts suffice?23:03
ak2766$ > cat /var/run/reboot-required /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs23:03
ak2766*** System restart required ***23:03
ak2766docker.io23:03
oerheksi think not23:04
oerheksnot even logout/login23:04
oerhekswhen docker and/or kernel is involved*23:04
ak2766I've updated docker before on 22.04 and earlier LTS' and never have I been required to reboot.  Is this a new thing in 24.04?23:06
oerheksdepends,.. lots of updates lately23:07
ak2766I just checked the changelog for docker.io and it says:23:14
ak2766docker.io-app (26.1.3-0ubuntu1~24.04.1) noble; urgency=medium23:15
ak2766  * Backport from oracular to noble. (LP: #2040461)23:15
-ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2040461 in containerd-app (Ubuntu Noble) "MRE updates of container stack" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204046123:15
ak2766    - d/t/docker-in-lxd: workaround Apparmor/kernel bug. (LP #2067900)23:15
-ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2067900 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "apparmor unconfined profile blocks pivot_root" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206790023:15
ak2766    - Update AppArmor template to allow confined runc to kill containers23:15
ak2766      (LP: #2065423).23:15
-ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2065423 in containerd-app (Ubuntu Noble) "Update AppArmor template to allow confined runc to kill containers" [High, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206542323:15
ak2766      + d/docker.io.postinst: notify that a reboot is required to apply the23:15
ak2766To me, that just means that restarting apparmor should suffice - yes?23:16
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tomreynak2766: please don't copy & paste >1 line into the channel, use a pastebin (see /topic ).23:35
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