=== justThanks is now known as justache [02:03] Hi if a Dell laptop is certified with Ubuntu 20.04 kernel 5.10.0-1020-oem, is it expected that later releases say 24.04 should work, or must I install an oem kernel ? I'm guessing there may be complications with NVIDIA and other hardware. [02:04] Or is it recommended I run 20.04 on it? that seems pretty old. [02:06] Take a full backup. Install 24.04. it will probably work [02:06] If you run into problems restore from backup [02:07] Pls could anyone help me with call of Duty card point (cp) I was drawing on a new lucky draw then my cp finished pls God will bless you and you never lack in life here is my codm account ID 92KZVQ [02:08] I have no idea what you are talking about but this is the wrong place for it. [02:09] Ooh [02:11] Regarding NVIDIA and hardware support, is Ubuntu equi [02:12] Regarding NVIDIA and hardware support, is the Kubuntu release equivalent to the corresponding Ubuntu release? [02:12] i recommend using mainline or apt update linux-kernel reinstalling all thz os makes you lose all the old configurations nless you'r good to play with the .conf files [02:12] It uses the same kernel if that is what you want to know [02:13] I don't know whether that is what I want to know [02:16] Guest: what is "using mainline" ? [02:16] mainline is a usefool tool out there [02:16] useful* [02:19] You don't need an of that [02:20] ravage: pardon? [02:20] Make sure you have a backup and try Ubuntu or Kubuntu. I would recommend the latest LTS release 24.04 [02:21] It supports Nvidia out of the box [02:21] Oh that's good news, hope it works for me also [02:21] yea kubuntu is fancy [02:22] Keep in mind support for Kubuntu is limited to 3 years [02:22] Ubuntu gets 5 and with Ubuntu Pro you even get 10 [02:26] I thought Kubuntu was just Ubuntu with KDE desktop.  After installing Kubuntu 24.04 can I downgrade to Ubuntu 24.04 with KDE desktop ? [02:26] (to get the full 5 year support) [02:26] No [02:26] The KDE part is what has limited support [02:27] What if I install Ubuntu and then apt install (whatever packages Kubuntu installs) ? [02:28] You get 3 years of updates for those [02:29] i believe ubuntu use jammy suppor am i wrong ? [02:29] Jammy is the 22.04 release name of Ubuntu [02:29] Oh so the KDE packages are only updated for 3 years, but the GNOME and the CLI executables are updated for 5 ? [02:29] Right [02:30] All flavours of Ubuntu only get 3 years of updates [02:31] oh, after 3 years the packages are only updated on the unflavored release. [02:34] All that only applies to LTS releases [02:34] non-LTS release get 9 months updates in general [02:37] So is there a downside to installing the standard 24.04 LTS, "sudo apt install kde-standard" [or -full], and then only using KDE and not GNOME? Are there going to be GNOME-related backend parts running in the background even if no one is logged in to a GNOME session? [02:37] It just makes things more complicated [02:38] Just install Kubuntu directly [02:59] Dragon === realivanjx1 is now known as realivanjx [03:23] is the repo slow tonight or is it just me, dial-up speed to apt-install irssi [03:28] did you select the fastest mirror? [03:29] I had trouble with my RealTek 8852 CE and I get a pop up window error with " [03:30] download speed test shows 1.79 m/s [03:30] says it is slow [03:32] "connection failed,Activation of network failed [03:34] lsmod shows the Realtek module, but my wireless didn't work at all until I tethered my phone and dl'd new firmware [03:34] after install [03:35] google shows I'm not the only person with problems with this wireless card [03:37] so it is a new card? maybe try backports? [03:38] yeah it's a new card, do I have to edit sources.list to enable backports? [03:40] thank you [03:40] exit [03:41] * bucky hand me a / === KAL9000[ghost] is now known as KAL9000 === KAL9000 is now known as KAL9000[ghost] [04:23] First of all. I love ubuntu. But man, whoever decided on default colors for Terminal needs to take a UX class: https://imgur.com/a/EVxGTMM [04:25] ops, wrong link. Here https://imgur.com/a/eV40ajY [04:25] yeah, it sucks you can't change the colors [04:26] rbox, are you sarcastic? [04:27] you're the one whining about defaults [04:29] Terminal is quite an important tool. What if Firefox or Chrome came close to unusable out of the box? [05:07] This evening I backed up all my files to external media then triggered an upgrade from 22.04 to 24.04. The process seemed to work well... but now there's only one monitor recognized. [05:08] Per the usual, the video board is an NVidia Quadro 2000. This was fine for dual-monitor under 16.04, 18.04, 22.04, and fails under 24.04 . [05:09] After searching the web, the "advice" was to download the Quadro 2000 driver from NVidia and do a manual install. [05:10] That failed because the script returned an error code 10 (can't communicate with X-Server?) and it wants to terminate X. [05:11] sudo lightdm stop looks like it stopped X alright. But it left me with a black display. [05:13] Tried using Ubuntu's Software and Updates pane to switch to the NVidia display... and it erred out. Tracking down the crash report... the compiler barfed at trying to compile the driver. [05:13] How do I enable two-display operation under Ubuntu 24 with the Quadro 2000 board? [05:41] Hmm.. maybe spoke too soon. Wrong driver? Back to the bits. [07:52] Hi. I have ubuntu studio on my kid's laptop, but #kubuntu seems pretty dead, so I decided to visit here. [07:53] try https://matrix.to/#/#ubuntustudio:ubuntu.com [07:55] thanks, I'll check them out if I have studio specific things, but here should be good for basic linux things, right? [07:56] this is for Ubuntu things yes. There is also https://matrix.to/#/#community:ubuntu.com === mrbutthead1958 is now known as mrbutthead195 [08:11] Ok. I was having intermittent system hangs (24.04, plasma) and game crashes (Dominions 6 via Steam deb from their site). At the time, my system had 8 GB RAM. At first I added 8 GB for 16 total and limited my zfs arc max size to 1.5 GB. I just now intalled zram-config and removed the arc limit. I'm about to read up on how to check zram. [08:19] My approach would be to set an arc limit and not fiddle with zram [08:20] 16GB should be enough to run a basic system and run a game [08:20] But I would also not recommend ZFS as the root filesystem in general [08:21] Ubuntu does not give that feature any love [08:57] Hi all. Completed a 22.04 USB minimal install with updates and extra drivers. Erased all other systems etc. After removing the USB and restarting 'bootable device not detected'. BIOS sees single SATA drive ok. Rebooted install USB with Try Ubuntu. Disks and GParted Disks report no errors. Support please. [09:05] select the right bootdevice in your bios [09:07] AFAIK it is the only boot device unless a USB is connected [09:18] Does sound like it maybe a boot order thing [09:19] order is Hard/optical/removable === PasiZ6 is now known as PasiZ [09:23] does it have some netboot type thing. I have a laptop that unless I make the boot order only the drive it tries to boot via network. Can you manually select the drive at boot time to prove. [09:29] may have fixed it .. enabled UEFI (for a 2TB drive) [10:08] Yes enabling UEFI solved it, now my system is upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS :) === esv_ is now known as esv [12:29] I have a systemd-resolved question. Is this the appropriate channel? I want to add a specific server for a specific TLD. But if I add a [Resolve] section in a specific resolved.conf.d file, with a Domains=~test, it takes over my global settings. [12:30] hi frederik_b, i don' t know the answer, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server too [12:31] @oerheks, thanks, I will ask there too! [12:31] Hi all [12:45] frederik_b: I found this on chatgpt: https://paste.linux.chat/?d38c6346f8e10bd3#2nQyEGZCM2q7pQs2YQdsLDcx9FQWksFQq6zwdGqRpMo2 [12:46] @sprokkel I had a conversation with ChatGPT too but that did not got me where I wanted, so I decided to ask smarter people! [12:47] gl === pick is now known as pickanick [13:21] would kodi crash logs contain also sensitive data, like the regular crash bugs procedure? [13:21] i see the logs in my /home for kodi [13:34] lotuspsychje: when you run (GNU) file on this file, what does it say? [13:35] also, is there a file extension (kodi-crash.something)? [13:35] ill check in a bit tomreyn its on my nuc [13:35] normally, i think crash dumps do to /var/crash, but maybe this one is generated by kodi itself [13:35] *go to [13:35] xdg-open https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id) # to see if they are send [13:37] i was just wondering if they are safe to attach to my already existing kodi bug [13:45] exit [13:59] lotuspsychje: i don't know what they look like / contain, since they are apparently produced by kodi - which i don't regularly use - itself, not the crash capturing mechanism ubuntu provides. if it was the latter, then they'd usually contain memory dumps, and could thus contain sensitive information. [14:00] maybe i should just await the dev request [14:00] (which is why access to uploaded raw crash dumps is probably restricted to a small group of developers) [14:01] tomreyn: bug #2089484 [14:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2089484 in kodi (Ubuntu) "Kodi crashes often on random" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2089484 [14:01] apport didnt import much of use by default [14:02] if the crash logs are text you can check yourself what is in it; if they are binary crash dumps then you must assume they contain everything that was in memory (for the Kodi process) when Kodi crashed [14:03] 55 days old: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kodi/+bug/2072534 This bug is likely affecting everybody that uses Kodi on Ubuntu 24.04 due to a compatibility issue with Python 3.12. [14:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2072534 in kodi (Ubuntu) "Kodi crashes immediately when starting to play AV1 on Ubuntu 24.04 noble" [Undecided, Confirmed] [14:03] uh oh [14:04] oh, right, Kodi is Python, so it might be Python backtraces [14:04] well on my side, it seems not to crash playing videos or music [14:04] but rather on startup or browsing to certain dirs [14:04] if so, those would be text, and possibly (but not guaranteed) cleaned from private data too [14:05] tnx oerheks , ill affect it too [14:06] maybe check with 'file' what those files are, as suggested before [14:07] ok i will [14:08] if the kodi crash log has the same format as this https://github.com/user-attachments/files/16134598/kodi_crashlog-20240708_230819.log then it should be safe to share - that's just a backtrage, log, and system info. [14:08] *backtraCe [14:08] oh, Kodi is part C or C++ & part Python or so? [14:08] stack trace even [14:09] but indeed they are just text, and you can easily check yourself if anything private is in there [14:09] hopefully they didn't write the video processing code in python [14:10] well, they would use libraries for that obviously [14:11] something based on or derived from ffmpeg [14:11] "Top languages: C C++ Python Shell CMake" says github [14:12] C++ 87.3% [14:12] yeah, I think there is a C/C++ core with Python used to create plugins [14:12] or something like that [14:13] do they have a copy of ffmpeg in there though? [14:13] the source code is at https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc [14:20] kodi_crashlog-20240518_144519.log looks like an strace [14:21] also asks for password on opening [14:22] this log seems to date back to may 2024. password prompt is likely due to it being owned by root? but then it should not be stored in your home directory. [14:23] they are [14:25] invalid escape sequence in allmusic.py [14:26] seems like a lot of errors inside those logs of all sorts [14:30] and /var/crash empty [14:41] 'O [14:41] welcome jluc [14:41] thx [14:42] i have an issue with Thunderbird : [14:42] it cant open any of my 2 TB profiles anymore [14:44] in the terminal i got various messages [14:44] one of them is "[GFX1-]: glxtest: libpci missing" [14:45] other messages are here : https://termbin.com/yren [14:46] like "GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported. [14:46] " [14:46] leading to "Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"" [14:46] but also [14:46] "Not loading module "atk-bridge": The functionality is provided by GTK natively. Please try to not load it." [14:47] and "WARNING: GTK+ module /snap/thunderbird/581/gnome-platform/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so cannot be loaded." [14:48] Oh [14:48] sudo apt-get upgrade says it will **downgrade** thunderbird !! [14:51] after up"down"grade i launched it a first time and it failed, [14:51] and a second time on a secondary folder and it is ok now [14:52] and a third time on the main profile and it is ok now [14:53] and almost no more errors in terminal [14:53] well... [14:58] hallo [14:59] :-) [15:02] something in my ~/.config prevents stupid gnome shell from displaying a DE, gdm3 login succeeds but then the gray screen freezes the mouse. putting .config aside makes it work. how can i find out where gnome shell trips over its own config crap? [15:03] motivation: id like to continue using my .config ofc [15:07] without the .config, ubuntu version , nobody can. you know we need this [15:08] and a dmesg or journalctrl log would help, with warnings [15:08] huh? its ubuntu 22.04 LTS on amd64 [15:08] id guess its a generic gnome shell problem [15:09] hence my question about how i can find out where gnome trips over its own config [15:09] i cant share my entire .config sorry. [15:09] dmesg did look clean, its a gnome thing [15:10] journalctl from what? [15:10] where does gnome store its crap in .config? [15:11] amof, it looks like i have 2 thunderbird installed : snap and not snap [15:11] wheris says "/usr/bin/thunderbird /usr/lib/thunderbird /etc/thunderbird /snap/bin/thunderbird /usr/share/man/man1/thunderbird.1.gz" [15:11] snap is the broken one [15:12] It was ok until now but not now anymore [15:13] for last failed start; journalctl -b1 | grep warning [15:13] i'm glad the "application center" enabled to confirm there was both snap and deb and to uninstall easily snap [15:13] or failure, or crap [15:13] 🤪 [15:13] crash maybe ? [15:14] whereis is shorter now : only "/usr/bin/thunderbird /usr/lib/thunderbird /etc/thunderbird /usr/share/man/man1/thunderbird.1.gz" [15:15] is the gz usefull ? [15:29] lotus|NUC: when an application catches exceptions/crashes of its own, Ubuntu's crash tool doesn't see a crash, so there won't be anything in /var/crash [15:30] lotuspsychje: ^ [15:36] I'm glad that it is possible to stop and resume photorec [15:39] ok tnx JanC [15:41] IIRC you see this with Firefox too when it crashes [15:41] where it will show its own crash dialog [15:47] jluc, note that all the messages you sent are normal for the snap (they are either wranings or info messages, not errors at all) ... the gz is the thunderbird manpage the deb ships [15:49] jluc, also note that the offical deb is simply installing the snap in 24.04 so an upodate of the deb from the archive will just re-install the snap [15:50] oh [15:51] i think i got it from some thunderbird ppa [15:51] the warnings are mostly from trying to load stuff for compatibility reasons, I suppose (to help Thunderbird run on many different distros, older & newer versions of libraries, with or without some things available or not, etc.) [15:52] htop only displays /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird now [15:52] seemingly no snap relating to thunderbird [15:52] and i'm glad with that because my mails are too important for a snap [15:53] lol [15:54] ... i sometime felt a bit handicaped with snaps in the past [15:54] i didnt take notes [15:55] only remember not being able to access whole disq and having to tweak some config just to be able to read from some other folder... [15:55] yeah, they are different and need some getting used to them ... but they safe a liot of diskspace, are more secure and come with builtin backup functionality ... [15:55] *save a lot [15:56] (and they are usually way ahead of the archive packages) [15:56] backup of what ? [15:56] your precious mails in this case 😉 [15:58] (see "snap help" it comes with a ton of useful builtin features) [16:03] Good day! I am running xubuntu in Vmware Workstation. This transparent square has appeared, blocking clicks on a small part of the screen. It's always on top and does not seem to do anything, react, move... any ideas what is going on? The square can be seen in the top left corner of this annotated screenshot, along with some debug info. How can I get the PID who has created this square? https://img [16:03] ur.com/a/SDABGGb [16:03] Here https://imgur.com/a/SDABGGb [16:06] retrospectacus, perhaps https://linux.die.net/man/1/xwininfo ? [16:06] (assuming xubuntu still uses X11) [16:16] I tried xwininfo and you can see the output in the screenshot. I had not tried the `-all` option, but it still does not reveal the PID. Nor does `xprop`. [16:21] Here is the output of those commands when I clicked on that cursed square; https://imgur.com/a/BbsY1GW [16:24] well, it says the app is "vmware-user" [16:24] Sorry, I should send the link like this, it is easier to read. https://i.imgur.com/CgU5Bqm.png https://i.imgur.com/Nywcchq.png [16:25] did you grep your processlist for that term ? [16:26] ogra_: yes, I looked in `ps fauxe|less -S` and there is only one thing called vmware: root 419 0.0 0.0 227328 260 ? Ssl Nov21 0:00 vmware-vmblock-fuse /run/vmblock-fuse -o rw,subtype=vmware-vmblock,default_permissions,allow_other,dev,suid [16:26] weird [16:27] "block fuse" suggest a filesystem thing. I tried dragging a file onto the square but nothing happened [16:28] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-Tools/12.3.0/com.vmware.vsphere.vmwaretools.doc/GUID-FB7FA658-7622-4680-BD9F-7A6670C12794.html&ved=2ahUKEwiU8arV-oGKAxVsh_0HHb2gHC0QFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0kzuE5c5lCrwWcKBPf7s5g [16:28] ugh ... thats a long URL [16:29] so vmware-user comes from the vmware guesst utilities and is supposed to handle copy/paste in and out of the VM [16:29] i'd dig into the vmware docs and see how you can prevent it from starting if you dont need it [16:32] there seems to be a "vmware-toolbox-cmd" that lets you configure it === seanh is now known as Guest134 === seanh1 is now known as seanh [16:40] Very interesting, thanks. I do have vmware-toolbox-cmd and drag'n drop does work. Not seeing how the cursed square fits in yet. There is no process named `vmware-user` running, but there is a binary /usr/bin/vmware-user from deb open-vm-tools-desktop [17:00] actualy ogra_ my deb is 128.5 (found following thunderbird site links) when proposed stable snap is 128.4 [17:01] (but there are also 2 other snaps : a 128.5 "candidate" and a 134 beta [17:03] the snapstore is a future worth solution to the "its difficult to install software on linux" rant [17:03] do i need to fix this [17:03] root 256 inode 25237492 errors 2001, no inode item, link count wrong [17:03] unresolved ref dir 17871896 index 19301 namelen 17 name root-f6a26019.log filetype 1 errors 4, no inode ref [17:03] i checked the fs and it has lots of messages like this [17:04] but maybe it's still a bit "beta" as for now :-) === denis is now known as Guest674 [18:51] bonjour a tous [18:53] I got rid of the cursed square by killing my vmtoolsd process (there is also a vmtoolsd process running as root). But drag'n drop functionality was lost. I tried running vmtools again in the terminal to no avail. I logged out and in, and it's fixed. Finally I can click the "back" button on gitg === mantraofpie_ is now known as mantraofpie === rvdberg is now known as rgh [19:27] Hi [20:36] World, I Am. Famous. :X [21:05] www.playdanceradio.com [21:06] jeez he's here as well [21:25] djshadoweng: we don't condone link and any other spamming around here. === KAL9000[ghost] is now known as KAL9000 [21:34] KAL9000: please see my private message - thanks. === JanC is now known as Guest9115 [23:03] I recently got a notification to restart my laptop due to an update to docker.io. Shouldn't container restarts suffice? [23:03] $ > cat /var/run/reboot-required /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs [23:03] *** System restart required *** [23:03] docker.io [23:04] i think not [23:04] not even logout/login [23:04] when docker and/or kernel is involved* [23:06] I've updated docker before on 22.04 and earlier LTS' and never have I been required to reboot. Is this a new thing in 24.04? [23:07] depends,.. lots of updates lately [23:14] I just checked the changelog for docker.io and it says: [23:15] docker.io-app (26.1.3-0ubuntu1~24.04.1) noble; urgency=medium [23:15] * Backport from oracular to noble. (LP: #2040461) [23:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2040461 in containerd-app (Ubuntu Noble) "MRE updates of container stack" [Undecided, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2040461 [23:15] - d/t/docker-in-lxd: workaround Apparmor/kernel bug. (LP #2067900) [23:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2067900 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "apparmor unconfined profile blocks pivot_root" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2067900 [23:15] - Update AppArmor template to allow confined runc to kill containers [23:15] (LP: #2065423). [23:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2065423 in containerd-app (Ubuntu Noble) "Update AppArmor template to allow confined runc to kill containers" [High, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2065423 [23:15] + d/docker.io.postinst: notify that a reboot is required to apply the [23:16] To me, that just means that restarting apparmor should suffice - yes? === JanC is now known as Guest8966 [23:35] ak2766: please don't copy & paste >1 line into the channel, use a pastebin (see /topic ). === ham2 is now known as ham