[00:17] <login4today> hello hello
[00:20] <login4today> everyone is afk
[00:20] <login4today> haha
[00:20] <login4today> no
[00:22] <login4today> wait i will quit so i can start other programs because i forgot the "&" after i started hexchat from xterm...
[00:22] <login4today> i really should add menu items on mwm
[00:22] <login4today> bye
[00:23] <login4today> hi i'm back
[00:23] <MarkB2> I've been tracking down a problem and just ran into something I really don't understand.  The memtest program that grub offers produced a DDR2 memory map that makes no sense to me.  Took a picture of the map... where can I upload it?  Like to get another pair of eyes on this.
[00:25] <login4today> i don't know where you can upload pictures...
[00:25] <MarkB2> I thought there might be a channel preference.  I can use imgur.com  ... one moment.
[00:26] <login4today> ok
[00:26] <login4today> i have used memtest but i don't know anything about a ddr2 memory map
[00:26] <login4today> i
[00:27] <login4today> wait why would i help
[00:27] <login4today> excuse me, i can't help.
[00:28] <MarkB2> Okay... if you can't... perhaps someone else can.
[00:28] <login4today> yes
[00:28] <login4today> *don't wanna
[00:28] <MarkB2> Link to image: https://imgur.com/a/31TxWxt   perhaps you can tell me if it is accessible?
[00:29] <login4today> i will never click on any link here.
[00:30] <MarkB2> That's completely understandable.  Anyway...
[00:31] <MarkB2> The image is a picture of the DMI Memory Device Info.  Five columns, DIMM#, Size (MB), Speed, Type, and Form.
[00:31] <MarkB2> The first two DIMMs make sense.  There's a starting address and an ending address.
[00:32] <MarkB2> But the THIRD and FOURTH DIMMs look like they have overlapping address ranges.
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[00:32] <MarkB2> If that's really the case them I have no idea why this desktop is working at all.
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[00:38] <pragmaticenigma> MarkB2: best thing to do is test with another memory testing tool
[00:39] <MarkB2> pragmaticenigma: Did you peek at the posted image?
[00:39] <MarkB2> And, agreed... there must be a bazillion memory testers out there.
[00:40] <pragmaticenigma> yes, and the behavior appears to be something I'd expect with a 32bit CPU.
[00:42] <MarkB2> The processor is a Core 2 Quad 64-bit device.  ?? bad MMU?  Shorted select pin on the DIMM?
[00:42] <pragmaticenigma> 32bit cannot address memory larger than 4GB, If you have 2GB modules installed, you're maxed out with two installed sticks. If this is a 32bit CPU and Ubuntu (which doesn't support 32bit in any supported versions presently) with PAE support enabled, would be able to address higher than that if the motherboard chipsets can support it
[00:43] <pragmaticenigma> MarkB2: it could be the way the system BIOS/UEFI firmware is setup
[00:44] <pragmaticenigma> systems of that era often had UEFI that was 32bit based instead of 64bit. When BIOS makes the handoff to an OS, it can make the switch over to 64bit mode. I don't know if Memtest has that capability
[00:44] <MarkB2> This thing is so old, it doesn't have a UEFI mode at all.  Four slots, 2GB installed into each.  The BIOS says 8 GB.  But memtest86+ .. has a weird mapping.  Maybe memtest86+ has an oops in it?
[00:44] <pragmaticenigma> If you're concerned about any RAM being bad... recommended testing strategy is usually to test each stick independently anyways.
[00:45] <pragmaticenigma> otherwise, when the system is fully booted, just look up the amount of active RAM in any preferred system monitoring or querying tool
[00:46] <pragmaticenigma> if you have 8GB, then there's nothing to be concerned with
[00:46] <MarkB2> I just stared at that map... DIMM1 through DIMM3 all map to the same range?  Now I have a headache.
[00:46] <pragmaticenigma> IF anything is running 32bit mode, it's going to have that behavior
[00:49] <MarkB2> I wonder if a "memtest64+" is available.  I can sort of see how four 2 GB sticks could map like that.. sort of.. What brought all this up?  Weeks ago the computer crashed and kept signaling RAM errors on a reboot.  Resetting the CMOS memory via jumper restored order... but some problems persist.
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[00:52] <pragmaticenigma> MarkB2: For that, the recommendation is to test the sticks independently. Most memtester's do things sequentially forwards, which if an error exists with in the first bank of memory, could influence the testing of higher address spaces
[00:54] <MarkB2> pragmaticenigma: Perhaps, then, remove all 4 sticks then test them one at a time?
[00:54] <enigma9o7> Or remove one at a time.
[00:54] <pragmaticenigma> correct
[00:55] <enigma9o7> In my case I had a machine that was freezing sometimes, memtest passed, in the end I just removed one stick at a time til I found which one was causing the problem.
[00:55] <enigma9o7> And when I was sure, took out my anger upon it before disposing of it.
[00:56] <MarkB2> Memory in this computer is an alternate even/odd select... it'll fault by pulling just one.  But... I'd be happy if the DIMMs didn't map on top of one another like that.
[00:56] <MarkB2> You didn't replace the bad module?
[00:57] <MarkB2> Oh.  Sorry.  You abused the defective memory module, not the whole computer.
[01:02] <MarkB2> Alright... back to memory checking.  Thanks.
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[03:08] <Guddu> Why do i get this error when trying to access a external HDD? https://dpaste.org/0PpH4
[03:08] <Guddu> It shows up on the left vertical bar but when clicking on it gives an error
[03:12] <oerheks> it is closed dirty/with failures, use ntfsfix to correct problems
[03:12] <oerheks> install ntfs-3g and follow a guide, like https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fix-corrupted-windows-ntfs-filesystem-ubuntu/
[03:13] <oerheks> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/noble/man8/ntfsfix.8.html
[03:27] <Guddu> Thanks oerheks
[03:31] <bebop> is there no longer and identd package for ubuntu?
[03:33] <redeuxx> hi all, in 24.04, I've set "PasswordAuthentication yes" in sshd_config and restarted the ssh service. However, users without a public key still can't login with a password with the error, "Permission denied (publickey)." ... what am i doing wrong?
[03:33] <oerheks> indeed, it is oidentd now https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/noble/man8/oidentd.8.html
[03:34] <oerheks> redeuxx, Disable PubkeyAuthentication
[03:34] <oerheks> then it is password only
[03:34] <oerheks> (for all)
[03:35] <redeuxx> oerheks, I'm not able to use both? Pretty sure I have pubkey auth for my user in 22.04, but others use a password, is this new for 24.04?
[03:35] <oerheks> redeuxx, if you want both, make a special config for them, see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1450980/enable-ssh-login-with-password-for-a-user
[03:36] <oerheks> for a user - those without key
[03:37] <oerheks> i wonder how you could mix on 22.04 ..
[03:37] <oerheks> ( i always use keys)
[03:39] <redeuxx> i don't know, but i have a bunch of 22.04 and you can mix keys and passwords
[03:40] <oerheks> not sure when that changed.
[03:40] <redeuxx> but it looks like in 24.04, you have to disable public key auth if you also want users to be able to to use passwords
[03:40] <oerheks> will keys still work?
[03:41] <oerheks> nope, not here.
[03:41] <oerheks> then it is pass + key
[03:42] <redeuxx> "PubkeyAuthentication no" ... you can't use keys, it asks for a password. with "PubkeyAuthentication yes", you can use both, but you can't use one or the other. in 22.04, you can use one or the other
[03:42] <oerheks> oke
[03:43] <redeuxx> *you have to use one or the other
[03:43] <oerheks> so it changed. trying to see with what version sshd
[03:44] <redeuxx> OpenSSH_8.9p1 Ubuntu-3ubuntu0.10, OpenSSL 3.0.2 15 Mar 2022  ... you can use either or ... 22.04
[03:45] <redeuxx> OpenSSH_9.6p1 Ubuntu-3ubuntu13.5, OpenSSL 3.0.13 30 Jan 2024 ... you have to choose one ... 24.04
[03:45] <redeuxx> sorry, i'm just now getting into 24.04
[03:45] <oerheks> have fun
[04:30] <webchat84> im new on ubuntu and linux, just download 22.04 and im noticing my gpu is always on 0% usage, its a dell latitude 7480 Intel i7-6600U (4) @ 3.400GHz and GPU: Intel Skylake GT2 [HD Graphics, what can i do?
[04:32] <rbox> what do you mean "on 0%"
[04:33] <webchat84> cpu is swiching between 20-100%, but GPU stays at dead 0%
[04:33] <webchat84> i check with mission center and with vmtop, both says gpu 0%
[04:34] <webchat84> nvtop*
[04:36] <rbox> do you have an nvidia card?
[04:36] <rbox> you dindt say anyting about nvidia
[04:37] <webchat84> no, no nvidia card, just the intel skyline
[04:39] <rbox> oh i geuss nvtop is supposed to show more than just nvidia
[04:40] <rbox> says 0% for gpu for me too
[04:40] <rbox> i would ignore it
[05:05] <candlejack> Do the snap packaging developers have an irc channel?
[05:05] <Apachez> am I missing something here or how do I liveboot the ubuntu server iso without have it trying to modify the drives partitions?
[05:19] <Erwinstein> I'm using an old laptop and installed 24.10 on it. Bad news is, the GPU only supports nvidia_drivers_390, which is unsupported on latest kernel. Is it okay if I install an old mainline kernel like 6.3 or 6.1 (whatever works)? What could go wrong? Thanks!
[05:20] <rbox> what about 24.04
[05:24] <Erwinstein> Haven't tried it yet but I'm also considering doing that. If that works, will that be better than using an old kernel on 24.10? I think it works in 22.04, but I'm kinda unsure if I should use it vs being stuck on a newer release but broken discrete GPU.
[05:25] <rbox> well 24.04 is lts...
[05:41] <Erwinstein> Okay, I understand that 24.04 are LTS releases and still receives updates (and 22.04 apparently, I think), and I'll be switching to whatever works. Still, I'm curious if just using an older kernel on 24.10 is a very bad idea.
[05:43] <JuanDaugherty> older than what?
[05:44] <JuanDaugherty> i just did a 18.04 to 24.04 migration
[05:44] <JuanDaugherty> also kernels usually go with the distro unless ur in somekina virtualiztion resale deal
[06:12] <hsam> hi
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[06:24] <blahdeblah> Erwinstein: You can mostly use a newer or older kernel, and it will usually work, but it's definitely not recommended or supported.  I'm running a very old kernel on one of my embedded Debian systems because I couldn't get the hardware to work with a newer one.
[06:25] <blahdeblah> Erwinstein: It will often be fine for simple applications, but for anything complex (and GPUs probably fall under this) I wouldn't rely on it.
[06:30] <guiverc> Erwinstein, using a supported kernel from Ubuntu means you'll get security fixes offered to you in normal updates; if you switch the kernel to something else; you take that security burden on yourself. Ubuntu LTS releases offer kernel stack choice; default set by your install media; when you release-upgrade that decision follows you
[06:33] <kaio> hi?
[06:49] <smiteo> 123
[06:49] <smiteo> ho!
[06:49] <smiteo> hi!
[06:50] <smiteo> is any one online here?
[06:51] <smiteo> imma kms
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[08:36] <Erwinstein> Thanks for the replies guys. I guess I'll dual boot 22.04 for now just to get the last supported kernel for my drivers. I was originally planning to install an old 6.2 mainline kernel on 24.10 (I will boot onto it only when I need the GPU) but I've read that the driver will probably not install on non-official kernel.
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[10:27] <terry> hello
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[10:50] <Guest83> i have created a custom windows iso and a custom ubuntu iso. i want to create an 'app' that will function as a temporary pre-install enviroment that will automate installing both isos (step1 app partitions and installs windows from windows installer, on reboot step2 the app checks if step1 completed succesfully and then continues to do the ubuntu
[10:50] <Guest83> custom installation)
[10:50] <Guest83> this isn't ubuntu specific only but i thought in this channel i could get a tip where to get started
[10:52] <Guest83> the installer should end up as a multi-boot iso tool
[10:52] <Guest83> containing both isos and automating the proccess
[10:57] <Guest83> got dc if any1 reploied plz repeat
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[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:46] <droidx> hi
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[16:58] <linux> helloww
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[17:09] <pertho> hi.. I added a repo and ran apt update.. but dpkg-query --show-format='${Version}' --show <pkgname> says: dpkg-query: no packages found matching <pkgname> even though I can see the packages in /var/lib/apt/lists/<repo>_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages and I can even  install one of the versions of the package with: apt install <pkgname>=x.y.z
[17:10] <gjaekel> After release-upgrade (24<22<20) the desktop logout and user switching is broken: It hangs until an 1min timeout hard kills the `gnome-session-binary`. I may provide a syslog for logout and login.
[17:10] <pertho> (this is on a fresh 24.04 machine)
[17:11] <oerheks> pertho, what repo exaclty?
[17:11] <oerheks> maybe it has no candidates for your system
[17:12] <pertho> oerheks: https://artifacts.elastic.co/packages/7.x/apt  .. yes there are candidates because I can apt install elasticsearch=7.9.3.. for example manually.. but dpkg-query won't show any of the packages
[17:13] <pertho> it's like dpkg-query is ignoring that repo
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[17:16] <pertho> sorry it's --showformat not --show-format
[17:17] <gjaekel> After release-upgrade (24<22<20) the desktop logout and user switching is broken: It hangs until an 1min timeout hard kills the `gnome-session-binary`. Syslog for lougout on https://bpa.st/NSFA
[17:17] <pertho> hmm I wonder if dpkg-query's behavior changed between 22.04 and 24.04?
[17:20] <oerheks> no idea, dpkg-query --show <package> works fine here
[17:22] <sixwheeledbeast> I have a script that uses dpkg-query -W and have had no reported issues between 22.04>24.04
[17:22] <pertho> hmm OK
[17:28] <gjaekel> No hints at all for me?
[17:29] <EmeraldFig64>  Goswami, Jatirmay (08.10.2022). Gour Gadadhara at Bharatpur [ভরতপুরে গৌর গদাধর] (in Bengali) (Jatirmay ed.). Kandi , Murshidabad: Kandi Press. pp. 32, 33. ISBN 18253202542. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: length (help); Check date values in: |date= (help)CS1 maint: date and year (link) is not working please
[17:29] <EmeraldFig64> help me
[17:31] <eLdr1ch> hello to all
[17:31] <eLdr1ch> guys i forget the root pass can you help me how i can change it ?
[17:32] <gjaekel> eLdr1ch: Encrypted filesystems?
[17:33] <eLdr1ch> gjaekel its ubuntu 24
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> eLdr1ch:  Ubuntu doesn't install with a root password, the account is disabled by default
[17:33] <eLdr1ch> yes but i make it after i make a username
[17:33] <eLdr1ch> when i setup a passwd for root
[17:34] <eLdr1ch> i forget it now because i manage few comps
[17:34] <eLdr1ch> is some way?
[17:34] <gjaekel> eLdr1ch: Are you able to sudo ?
[17:34] <eLdr1ch> yes
[17:35] <gjaekel> eLdr1ch: Please `sudo su -`
[17:35] <eLdr1ch> i write sudo apt update and upgrade and i write the current user password
[17:35] <pragmaticenigma> `sudo su -` is not needed, you can change it with `sudo passwd root`
[17:36] <gjaekel> pragmaticenigma: Your're right.
[17:36] <eLdr1ch> pragmaticenigma THANKS MAN! You are the best ;)
[17:37] <gjaekel> pragmaticenigma: You may also help me, please.
[17:38] <eLdr1ch> thanks a lot guys
[18:05] <oerheks> gjaekel, oh, you installed unity?
[18:05] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1515445/unable-to-switch-user-after-upgrade-to-24-04
[18:05] <oerheks> another one,..
[18:14] <eLdr1ch> thanks again guys
[18:14] <eLdr1ch> !!!!
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[21:10] <idea> IDENTIFY idea123332111 qqq
[21:10] <oerheks> time to change password, idea
[21:11] <enigma9o7> i bet it'll be rrr
[21:11] <oerheks> something like  /msg NickServ SET PASSWORD newpasswordhere  in the server tab
[21:11] <oerheks> www?
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